Phrozen Sonic Mini Test and Review!

[@3DPrintFarm]

If you purchased a Phrozen Sonic Mini, please DO NOT use Siraya Tech FAST resin until further notice. A few folks from the FB group have noticed that Siraya Tech FAST interacts with the red plastic vat causing the resin to cure prematurely even without UV light. Phrozen is investigating this issue.

[@maxtiburcio2205]

Does it have any issues with dental resin?

[@talonabuser1072]

Lately prints of the see through plastic vats are coming in cracked or severely weakened from amazon inspect everything guys!!!

[@xicledragon]

So, if it prints at 2 seconds per layer and 2 seconds in between that would be 4 secs per layer. If the print height is about 130mm then printing at .05mm that's 2600 layers. Would this mean that it prints at a max time of 3 hours?

[@3DPrintFarm]

@@xicledragon Excellent question. The Sonic Mini has a 'recovery time' called the "Light Off Delay". This allows for the travel time of the plate as well as to allow the resin to settle down.. making waves per se. :) This accounts for the extended time. You can tweak this number which I have current set up at 7 seconds, but it could possibly effect the print quality of the model.

[@justintietz4477]

@@3DPrintFarm Does the sonic lcd work in a elegoo mars?

[@darrinbrunner6429]

I'm thrilled that these printers are getting faster. I was leaning toward a Prusa SLA1 because of the reputation and beefier build, but two seconds per layer is very enticing.

[@MrBizteck]

So I can print models I'll never paint ..... faster?

[@PheonixKnght]

Needs to have a bigger build volume ssf o I can print more I'll never paint faster

[@matsv201]

@@PheonixKnght Could just someone sell a rail exention so one at least can print longer prints. Generaly most prints need to be longer in one direction

[@slychicken4305]

Yes

[@RetroAnachronist]

Just bought this for $129. Loving it so far.

[@guritche]

Glad I found this video. I have been looking at 3D printers for a long time and this seems to be a nice option to wet my feet. Not to mention I just noticed that the manufacturer is only a few miles away from where I stay!

[@3DJapan]

1:00 Exactly! With all of my prints I have to wait like 2 hours before I even know if it has failed or not.

[@johnkelley9877]

I have never heard of this company but the review was very helpful. I will certainly consider this. Thanks for the review.

[@MarcyAvila]

Good review ;) i've been waiting for reviews on this new model for the past weeks

[@Inventorsquare]

Fast prints, transparent build plate... super mega hyper nice!

[@Malathier]

Can we see images of the models primed? Hard to see any defects with that resin

[@heavyhammersforge9240]

I am sold, love the channel.

[@itailu]

been using a shuffle 2019 for along time so love phrozen. This printed will be my next printer :)

[@lennart9344]

Would you mind doing a direct comparison to the Photon and Mars? Some challenging model maybe.

[@zeno6111753]

I would really like to see that as well

[@rtlemon]

I’d love to see this too. I’m about to pull the trigger on buying my first 3d printer and it’s a toss up between the Anycubic Photon and the Phrozen Sonic Mini.

[@Creeper99PL]

rtlemon At this time avoid the Photon, you can get Elegoo Mars Pro for 100$ less and it seems to have some better features. It also uses ChiTuBox instead of Anycubic’s weird software.

[@lennart9344]

@@Creeper99PLEdit: Nevermind, you where not talking to me ;-) Already own a photon, im interested in how the lower resolution will affect prints. Because if the difference in quality is nothing to be concerned about maybe this is going to be the next printer. I would like to print faster sometimes.

[@rtlemon]

ActuallyMe you make a good point. I’ve been playing around with ChiTuBox and it’s very intuitive. Hopefully when the Phrozen Sonic Mini is available with the new aluminium tank there will be more reviews. Just hoping that Amazon stocks it in the UK soon as I don’t want to be paying ridiculous import fees. If not then Elegoo Mars it is.

[@TheEdgeofTech]

Nice! I may have to jump on this!

[@SpenserClark]

You mention that this opens up other kinds of resin, is that because it outputs more UV? Can you tell us more about that? Thank you!

[@markmorris2856]

Loved the video but I would want to see the print process and more examples before I buy one.

[@IronHelix4]

Looks like a nice little unit. I really want a the Elegoo Saturn to come out for a larger build plate. I've been running with the mars now since July and my largest gripe is the small plate size.

[@Shadow27374]

I am also very interested in the Elegoo Saturn. I hope it will be affordable for the hobby sector.

[@ReverendZen]

Are there any other resin printers on the market this size that utilize the monochrome lcd?

[@3DPrintFarm]

Yes. The original Phrozen Sonic uses a monochrome screen as well several of their higher end resin printers. At the current time, Phrozen is the only company I know that currently use monochrome, although there is talk in the community of other companies following suit.. Like Elegoo and Anycubic.

[@grimgar3048]

Hoping it becomes available in the UK via amazon or similar suppliers as buying directly from Phrozen the unit is £160 and shipping is over £100.....

[@Explore531]

once you pour left over resin back in the bottle can you clean the tray with soap and water and can you still use the gloves for another print ??

Hi! I own a photon.Is this printer quicker and same quality as mine?The slicer program is driving me crazy. Which software do you use with this machine? Thank you

[@JoonKimDMD]

4 hrs to print the dark knight? And is that considered fast??? Is it still true in 2024 standard? I was hoping that it takes 4 seconds.

[@Pesto-64]

Just got mine today. Haven't been able to get a successful print except for one ring of the three and I tried twice. The material is ABS-like grey Elegoo Mars. I do hear a slight squeaking on the Z axis every now and then- not sure if that's an issue. The failures seem to leave a thin layer on the FEP that I have to get (scape) off. Any ideas or help would be appreciated.

[@cpace123]

I saw the they are pre-ordering this printer, but it is not $199 and right now it is only for sale in the U.K. It;s $330 + $50 shipping to the usa. Think I'll wait till amazon prime gets them.

[@3DPrintFarm]

Phrozen has it listed for direct for $199 plus ship.. Amazon had it last night but it sold out quick at $239. Keep an eye on Amazon. They will get more.

[@UnvarnishedTarnished]

Just paid 310 to ship to the us and that's with 2 extra vats

[@ianmclennon3602]

I am a complete newbie - what are the practical applications of 3D printers?

[@jorina351]

Hey, thanks for the great review! I'm new to resin printing and thinking about buying this one. I just have a few questions: How do you get rid of left over (liquid) resin on your prints? How do you clean the printer afterwards? And is it ok to leave the liquid resin there or does it harden over time?

[@PortalFPV]

Ooofta that's some bad room echo. Simple tip to fix that, hang a moving blanket behind the camera (and to one side of you if you can) will greatly improve the audio quality

[@drusso66]

Just purchased the sonic mini, attempted to print the 3 rings that are provided on the usb stick, but after 4 hrs it only managed to print the main supports exactly the same for all 3 rings, I did not change any settings just printed them straight from usb. I am using Elegoo Mars trans resin, could not find any phrozen resin on Amazon UK. Any advice would be appreciated.

[@julymmarcos5402]

Cómo se limpia la plataforma? Y luego es necesario poner en cámara de UV o ya está incorporada? Gracias

[@chrisg5326]

Any idea how this printer compares to the Phrozen Shuffle? Thanks

[@sglhkzp]

a doubt! speed works only with the resins that the brand sells, or works with all others. I have anycubic. is it possible to put the printers side by side and print the same file? thanks

[@3DPrintFarm]

Great question! Yes! It works with other DLP and SLA resins! I'm actually going to be printing two models side by side using both the Sonic, Mars and Photon for comparison. Video coming!

[@monojpatramp8]

If I bought, few days later, any technical or software problem then how can i solve it.?

[@jondrew55]

Not sure I get the point of the transparent resin vat. You can’t see what’s below the resin can you?

[@donlloyd1297]

Would be nice to have a shot of the inside of the case. My Photon sits unused because my big clumsy hands damaged the mainboard trying to plug in the connector for a screen swap and I just haven't mustered the will to fumble around in there trying to install the replacement board while my (easier to maintain) X1 is chugging away next to it. Is there a clear path to the screen cable connector with space to plug it in, or will this require tweezers and cursing?

[@LithophaneMaker]

That looks quite tempting

[@volttherobot]

Very cool! We have the Transform, and this little guy looks great!

[@davidpatio3955]

Does the software scale 3d files to match build area? Example, if I have a larger 3d model, can it scale it to make a smaller version?

[@DaneSaysStuff]

Yup. I'll definitely be buying one!

[@MarioKArtAdd1ct]

Would love to see a comparison with similarly priced printers!

[@3DPrintFarm]

Video is coming on this very topic! Thanks!

[@timkline162]

Looks great.. what is the lowest layer thickness it can do? And about how big is the build volume.. is it smaller than the photon?

[@dibblethwaite]

@@MrMagooification 62 is the xy resolution.min layer thickness (z) is 10. xy resolution is lower than the usual 2k screens at 47 microns but still pretty decent.

[@sixdegrees6434]

You didn’t mention print quality compared to the “Others”. Better, worse, same? I’m just about to buy the Mars Pro so I would like to know if this is as good

[@Sanguinarius9999]

This is 62 microns vs 48 of others I dont know how big a difference that is

[@sixdegrees6434]

@@Sanguinarius9999 Yes, I also read that but would be great if someone could do a side by side print test. Numbers are irrelevant sometimes and personally, I prefer to make my decisions based on results.

[@noelr9376]

That’s awesome. 2 second cure time is a very big difference. I have the Phrozen shuffle xl, I’m curious if I can change the screen for a monochrome.

[@MrBO109]

I'd have thought that cure time was relative to the resin, rather than the light, since that's a phyisical constant, but I wait to be informed.

[@noelr9376]

Richard O'Hanrahan I thought the same thing. Different resins do have different cure times, but maybe the amount of light allowed to be pass through on an LCD plays a bigger factor. I’m curious if the backlighting also needs to be brighter? Just a guess, I would also like to know.

[@ilikenothingtoo]

Just got mine, I don't hear a fan kick on. Is there no fan?

[@franksilva3566]

Nice video, waiting for release of new printer. If you plan to test with different resins, maybe you could test with water washable resin? Thanks

[@stevomv304]

Hi, Just got my Sonic Mini. I have been viewing all your videos and just watched the one on Replacing and tuning the FEP. So as a baseline I decided to check the FEP as received. I get 157 Hz. This is well under your videos recommendation. What is your opinion? Did you have to tweak yours up? Thanks Steve

[@3DPrintFarm]

Nope.. I wouldn't worry about that at this moment! Just print as usual. There are differences between various printers. I would just press on and start printing! You are going to love it! It's a awesome machine!

[@stevomv304]

3DPrintFarm OK, great, thanks for quick reply. 1, 2, 3 go....

[@3DPrintFarm]

@@stevomv304 GO! GO! GO!!

[@cpace123]

Thanks! Now the price has changed? Weird. And thanks for the amazon info.

[@TheHoody999]

Quick question slightly off topic. I see Elegoo now use the .ctb large format file type. Do you know if The Photon File Validator will read this file type soon ?

[@Moredakkamus]

Does the Chitubox software let you cut models up for parts printing?

[@raymefford8335]

Where can I get patterns?

[@ryuujin83]

Do you have to wear a mask or have a ventilated space while printing?

[@TwanJaarsveld1]

How much would it coast to print

[@imagiworld6153]

Can i use formlabs resin to this printer

[@대동세상]

After watching the video, I decided to do 4k of this product. Can you recommend a suitable resin? Please also recommend Wash & Cure products. THANK YOU VERI VERI MUCH!😘😘😘😘

[@brezovprut4431]

So we can use advanced engineering resins such as Formlabs Rigid and Durable?

[@Antonio-dn9yo]

Hello, thank you for the great review. I can't make up my mind between the Creality LD-002R(around $240) and the Phrozen Sonic Mini which is more expensive (at least when delivering to Portugal it now runs around $300). What would make you chose between one or the other? I need it to print dental models and surgical guides. Thank you in advance

[@Brodraugen]

I enjoy your videos more and more.

[@cpace123]

Do you ever had problems with prints sticking to FEP?

[@3DPrintFarm]

Not with this particular printer and the Phrozen resin. You may have to increase cure times depending on the the resin you use so your mileage may very.

[@ImaginationToForm]

Interesting printer for sure. I've just received a Mars Pro as my first resin printer. As you mentioned, this would be a great second printer if I don't need as much build volume as Mars Pro.

[@jdlizard5626]

How do you get 80mm/hr on this? I feel like this inst even possible or its at like 200 micron layers. 2 sec per layer but the total layer times for proper dwell are 10 to 11 seconds total. That is 16mm an hour @ 50 microns. Even if it were half this total time your looking at 32mm/hr. I bought this for speed have I been fooled?

[@Atlantida55]

You didn't put time for each mini how long did it take to print?

[@cpace123]

You should set up photon, elgoo mars, and this printer. The hit print at the same, do a time lapse video, so people can see the difference in speed.

[@Sanguinarius9999]

We also need a high detail camera to sew id the difference between 48 and 62 microns is noticeable.

[@HELIOSXSUN]

Very good stable table 3D on this vidéo !!!!!

[@cbj223]

Looking to buy but I see no where for 200 bucks? Amazon has them for 229

[@3DPrintFarm]

Yep.. When Phrozen sent this to me for review, they advised me of the $200 price which initially was through their website in Taiwan. That $200 did not include shipping. At the time, I did not have the Amazon price, but it appears they have added a bit for shipping. Sorry for the confusion.

[@gaviedrummer]

I know this is really new to the market but how does it rate in terms of noise and odor to the Elegoo Mars Pro?

[@cpace123]

I was just going to buy an egloo mars. I have a original photon. I wanted 2nd resin printer now I am going to have to wait.

[@colinfielder6695]

Great little printer, just to be clear, my understanding is that it takes the same time to print multiple as it does a single, say a ring for instance! is this correct?

[@BrianVillegas67]

Yes, unlike a conventional FDM printer, multiples on these types of printers (DLP) take the same amount of time to print as a single. The time is based on the number of layers. So the total time to print is based on the number of layers in the tallest model. Whenever I print anything, I always make sure to fill up the whole build plate with other things that I'll need as well, or copies of the same thing.

[@fckimmel]

Hello Colin; It is partially the resin that decreases cure time, but the speed of the print is determined by the height, (Z axis). The shorter the Z axis, the shorter the print time. Less layers, less time. You can have multiple objects on the build platform, and they will ALL print at the same time. If any object is taller than the others, that object will determine the time needed to print.

[@3ddmaker-joepaddock345]

Looks like a very nice printer. Thanks for the vid.

[@artsmodelstation9396]

Q: where can I get the file of that Batman so I can print it ?

[@Immolate62]

So monochrome is the reason for the faster cure times? Sounds like we can buy a new LCD and put it on a better printer right? I know this machine gets good results, but I don't like its mechanicals much. Having to unscrew the vat completely and then lift it off; the rough mechanical design of the build plate and the necessarily more-complex clean-up; the short z-height. They should have just mated the monochrome LCD with an Elegoo Mars-style printer and then sold them like hotcakes.

[@TylerHarney]

Has anyone printed any functional parts?

[@chrislannon]

Nice review. Thank you!

[@WHJeffB]

Another great review Garrett! Other than the super quick prints, how does it compare with a Photon as far as print quality/clarity is concerned? The lower resolution (62µ versus 47µ) between it and the Photon may not be desirable for some types of models. Just curious to see if you've done any print comparisons. Anxiously awaiting the day that Peopoly sends you the new Phenom for review!Thanks...

[@3DPrintFarm]

That's a great question! I'm doing a head to head review of the Mars vs. the Sonic Mini. I'll have this at the end of the week. I'll be doing some print comparisons and microscopic views of the differences! Stay tuned!

[@ashkanaliyar6247]

Wow it was so Cool !

[@tonywharton5220]

Good video. Nice machine but over £300 in the uk

[@tuco5739]

I would like a Phrozen monochrome with a large build volume to support my FDM printers. Small detailed and accurate parts are sometimes difficult to print so this unit might be the way forward. Phrozen how about a 300mm X 300mm X 500mm volume build? It would sell like candy!

[@Starganderfish]

Look into EPAX machines. They're coming out with a couple of larger format devices that will have option or colour or monochrome screens. X133 and X156 will have option of higher resolution colour screen or lower resolution monochrome. Lower resolution in comparison to a smaller device but still pretty detailed

[@vnerd3026]

Can you replace an elegoo screen with one of these ones?

[@rokimtech]

Is this available now on their site?

[@3DPrintFarm]

Not yet. My guess is within the next 30 days. Can't wait! This is a great printer!

[@Pygar2]

How much will replacement screens cost, compared with RGB?

[@3DPrintFarm]

My guess is it will be over $100 initially, but for a 2,000 life span, it would be worth it to me.

[@MrBizteck]

@@3DPrintFarm The fact that each print is quicker..... means you will get 4-5 times the work out of each screen.

[@todologic]

How much time did it take to print the rings? Thanks!

[@chronops4316]

Sorry for the silly question, Im new to the channel and to the 3d printing community What do you do with the resin after you finish your print, do you just simply toss it? How long you leave the prints hanging in the printer before cleaning them? Love the channel and all the useful info! Keep it up 😄

[@3DPrintFarm]

You can filter your leftover resin back into the bottle using the included 'paint filters'. This will make sure all the tiny bits of cured resin are removed and prevents contamination. I have left my prints hanging on the build plate for up to a week or more without issue, however, I like to remove them and get the cleaned up! :)

[@AlbertoMartinez765]

Why did no one else think of using a monochrome screen? I mean it doesn't matter for the print if its color or not and a monochrome screen should just be cheaper anyway? This should be Industry standard from now on..IMO.

[@alexanderwillis9473]

Is there an ETA ? like what Quarter this year ?

[@3DPrintFarm]

My thoughts are within the next 30 days. It will be soon!

[@alexanderwillis9473]

@@3DPrintFarm I just got mine, any suggestions for print settings please ? thanks. I bought Phrozen beige resin.

[@3DPrintFarm]

@@alexanderwillis9473 Download the latest version of Chitubox. Under settings, select the Phrozen Sonic Mini. At the top of the page is a drop down list where you can select different pre-populated profiles for Phrozen resin. Beige is one of them. For 50 microns.. Bottom Layer Count is 6, Exposure 2.3 seconds, Bottom Exposure Time 25 s.

[@alexanderwillis9473]

@@3DPrintFarm Thankyou

[@tobywebb]

Does it have any filter? I'd want a printer I can use indoors. Sounds an awesome machine :)

[@Sanguinarius9999]

Unless you have great suction ventilation to attach resin indoors is a bad idea.

[@felipecintron3401]

how much does an lcd replacement cost?

[@harishrajamani4922]

where can i purchase it for $200?

[@3DPrintFarm]

Hello Harish! They will be available direct from Phrozen! As soon as they become available, I will post a quick video on my channel!

[@npereira1098]

Well, it seems I grabbed the last one (of this batch) from Amazon. Should be delivered by Sunday...

[@3DPrintFarm]

OUTSTANDING! You are going to love it!

[@brunosweapons3781]

>>> Here are 2 kits that fix the bending of the Z and Y axis of the Sonic Mini. Y-AXIS www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/hobby-diy/mechanical-parts/reinforced-build-plate-support-for-phrozen-sonic-mini-mini-4k Z.AXIS www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/hobby-diy/mechanical-parts/z-axis-reinforcement-square-for-phrozen-sonic-mini-mini-4k

[@vladimirp7824]

Good afternoon, tell me which printer would be better foton s or sonic mini?

[@3DPrintFarm]

I would highly recommend the Sonic Mini over the Photon S. The Photon S is not the same printer as the original Photon. If you are just getting into resin printing, the Sonic Mini is the way to go!

[@vladimirp7824]

@@3DPrintFarm I have foton s but it seems to me that sonic mini. will be more reliable and stable. I think to change it.

[@deerosedonovan3838]

Just tip: Do the setup with gloves on. Your fingers are probably not 100% clean. You don't want to contaminate the build platform or any part of the vat or fep screen. Otherwise great video :)

[@jrami223]

Just bought one

[@heathenxyt]

Although it's minor, I think its print speed comes at the cost of printed part quality...but could anyone tell? Still, I'll put this printer on my short list. Thank-you for the review.

[@Bluedruid13]

Liking it but you didn't give other specs, like build volume. It looks like it will be close to a Mars but to me the screen looks slightly bigger.

[@Sanguinarius9999]

Same width, more depth less height.

[@BillHarvat]

Held off on the Elegoo Mars. This looks like the printer for me once it releases.

[@HamHammer]

I envy you! I just got my Mars like a week ago and feel like I should've waited thanks to this. xD

[@jondrew55]

Hamekun Where did you get your Mars? If you got it on Amazon, you should be able to return it for free. This printer looks enticing, but I’ll hold on to my Mars (I just got it). These are cheap enough to almost consider “disposable”.

[@kailin1496]

Hi! I was wondering how well the printer filters out the smell of resin, as i am looking into buying a resin 3d printer, but it will be in my home office where I do a vast majority of my work, and I don't want to become sick from the fumes. Thanks!

[@3DPrintFarm]

Honestly, this machine out of all of my resin printers is the least 'smelliest'. Of course, a lot of that has to do with the resin you are using. Anycubic resin tends to be more stinky than others. Elegoo resin is my 'go to' for less stinky. The Phrozen resin is also very mild.

[@teabagNBG]

im glad i didnt bought a printer yet i think this will be the one im getting as soon it comes out

[@AlbertoMartinez765]

Right almost bought one last Month glad I waited

[@billsixx]

Uhhhhh.....you can't see through liquid resin anyway, clear tray or not

[@billroy7860]

Just found these specs for the 'sonic mini': Build Volume: 120 x 68 x 170 mm Z-Layer Resolution: 10-micron XY Resolution: 62-microns all3dp.com/1/phrozen-sonic-review-3d-printer-specs/ Not bad, many models could well be suitable with such specs, though of course most people are now used to 45-microns being the norm.

[@brekan1208]

im buying one friday

[@3DPrintFarm]

Awesome!

[@theGermanPrintingNerd]

I´ll be getting one sent to me soon

[@alexanderwillis9473]

Do you know what the eta is for sales ?

[@Gigaloader]

Most printers can be made faster by reducing the lift distance as long as your resin is low viscosity.