3k vs 20k Zero Turn Mowers | What's the Difference? How much should you spend?

[@RhDjk]

I took the plunge and got an Altoz 766. Pretty incredible. Expensive-yes. Worth it-yes.

[@randygray4200]

Same here. I love it.

[@McMillanScottish]

I spent $900 on a used Toro that was probably almost $3000 new. But coming from a lifetime of pushing regular mowers around, I’m in love with this thing, and I don’t care if it’s just plain and simple.

[@haroldrose7507]

AGREE

[@tomparker9966]

I bought a Badboy Outlaw XP 10 years ago. Full suspension, 32 HP, electric deck adjustment. Still cuts like new. Top Quality commercial mower. Disadvantage of all zerotuns is they don't like steep hills and get stuck easy on wet ground. Mine will cut 4 acres in 2 hours. You get what you pay for.

[@josem.2909]

Why do zero turn mowers don’t like hills? Are the more prone to rollovers? Or just unbalanced? How about front deck zero turn mowers like the grasshopper?

[@tomparker9966]

@@josem.2909 roll over is not a problem although they will do wheelies. Mowing parallel on steep hills they tend to crab. When they beak loose and start sliding downhill your instinct is to pull back on controls which makes it worse. Overcome instinct and give full forward on low side stick to gain control and turn uphill. Sliding downhill with the wheels spinning in reverse is scary. I love mine and they will cut your mowing time by 1/2 or more and cut down on weed eating.

[@tomparker9966]

@@josem.2909 The front deck mowers are not true zero turns. Unless you are comparing to the big commercial front decks like the golf courses use they are slower and don't turn as fast. My commercial BadBoy will cut wet grass, cuts clean at 7mph and top speed 13 mph. Blades are 3/8" thick and has hydraulic drive motors and air cooled hydraulic pumps. Residential zeroturns including BadBoys are fine for homeowners but will not hold up for daily usage. Lots of good brands to choose from but you get what you pay for. A good used low hour commercial mower will outlast a new residential for about the same money. I spent 3k on my first John Deere residential ZT only lasted 2 years before the motor wore out. I spent $9000 on the BadBoy new in 2013. It still has the original belts. Try to find one to try before you buy.

[@josem.2909]

@@tomparker9966 I found a grasshopper model 718k front deck With a twin kohler It could be late 90’s early 2000’s For $3k Not sure if it’s a good deal since a new one is $15 K 😄

[@tomparker9966]

@@josem.2909 without seeing it, knowing the hours and how much Grass you cut it seems a little high for a 20+ year old mower. Parts will be an issue with some no longer made. I would look for a well maintained commercial zeroturn with

[@brianrushing6246]

Bought a 1999 Toro Z master in 2009. It was used commercially and traded in. Paid $2500. Replaced belts and blades. Beyond simple maintenance haven't done anything to it. Parts are easy to get and will probably be the last mower I ever buy.

[@framelawncare6671]

I love commercial mowers, nothing makes me happier than laying stripes with a Grandstand just brings me happiness

[@billwhiteathome2080]

A $20k mower might indeed last a lifetime....but so will 6, $3k units.

[@willfowler244]

I like the way you’re thinkin’.

[@bmws1krr340]

Man I can't get a 3k one to last more than a year or so. It's how duable and how u use it.

[@billwhiteathome2080]

@@bmws1krr340 My 52" ZTE has commercial grade deck and frame, the commercial Kawasaki and 20" wheels. Only the transaxels are residential grade. $3099 assembled and delivered.

[@bmws1krr340]

@@billwhiteathome2080 no shit.

[@bmws1krr340]

I didn't know that. Where u buy one

[@74dartman13]

I bought a Bad Boy MZ last year and I love it. Cuts my 3/4 acre lot just fine and is a joy to operate.

[@scottsmith7337]

I spent $8,000 on a Exmark TTS 52” Hydro walk behind for my extreme hills and it was the best purchase I ever made for my yard

[@Ryan-re1rs]

I wonder what it would have cost to sub out your yard work. Like how many years could you get it cut for 8k..

[@scottsmith7337]

@@Ryan-re1rs had 5 lawn care companies fire themselves from my yard because you can’t cut my hills with a ZTR they all said I need a hydro walk behind so I bought one and I am so glad I did it cuts hills a ZTR can’t even begin to handle

[@blueboat9581]

I used to own a Toro hydro walk behind. That was a beast. Hydro walk behinds are the king of steep slopes

[@999benhonda]

My $4k hustler raptor SD has grossed about $30k for my small lawn care business with 230 hours of use so far. It has the kawasaki engine, serviceable hydros, zt2800 and deck that has handled everything I've smacked it into like a champ. I should be able to run it for 3 more years before I need to upgrade.

[@cmamsler]

Sell that pos and get a scag. Be a man

[@SeattlePioneer]

[@ronnielee4212]

I use a 52” Bad Boy Magnum very pleased cut about 10 yards each season over 10 years old !

[@Saveyourbs]

Hustleezy!!

[@danny6247]

I have a husqvarna z254f and I think thats enough for a home owner. it cuts great

[@SeattlePioneer]

I don't need either, but I found the video excellent and interesting. Thank you!

[@rayharris5452]

I'm in my 3rd season with a used Exmark Pioneer S series commercial. I got it for around $3k. It easily handles my 3 acres and as you show in your comparison review it's twice the mower I would have gotten (new) in the big box store.

[@joelerickson4888]

If your just mowing small lawn.. buy the 3k..if your mowing road sides.. field edges..ditches..or trails buy the 20k..owned a few of the 3k mowers..bought an Altoz 2 years ago.. NOW I own a mower..absolutely love it..built like a tank.

[@TractorBobs]

Iuldnt have said it better myself, happy mowing my friend.

[@rjechols2059]

I get to mow on an 18000 dollar bad boy with a perkins diesel every day and it is an absolute beast

[@TractorBobs]

Those are awesome!

[@richardlozano7574]

I spent 800 on bad boy diesel mower that was sitting for 10 years got it running and driving the same day it was bought runs really good and drives and cuts like charm

[@TractorBobs]

That's awesome!

[@Moosenuggets86]

I own both…. Bad Boys Revolt stand up and the Altoz TsX stand up…. Both have the 61” deck and both cut about the same quality… both have the same motor and hydros… but…. I live in lousiana where most of my grass is soft and wet and that altoz will cut where that bad boy wont… hands down… like walking through the mud ill leave 5” deep foot prints and driving over it ill leave just a track print… hands down best money I’ve spent…. Ive lost sooo much movey having to wait to cut… with this just send it.

[@tomspurrier3325]

love too see the badboy cut the same fields as the altos ???? completely different applications

[@kekanakrebina]

Best mower I’ve owned in a long time....

[@BeboTheRedneckPimp]

Well just so you know, that bucking zero turn is still mowing yards like a boss. As you can see I've put it through some good tests 🤣🤘

[@bentackett6299]

Yeeeeeeeee Haaaaaaawww! 🤠

[@alansewell7810]

This week I bought a Bad Boy MZ Magnum 48" after seven years with a Gravely 42". The Kohler 7000 engine on the Gravely caught fire and would have burned down my garage if I hadn't stopped it outside by chance (the fire started after I stopped it). The fire burned for two hours despite being doused continuously with high-pressure water from an outdoor pump for the first 30 minutes. The flames were ten feet high, consuming everything combustible on the mower. The Kohler engine had been refurbished in January by a dealer, but still smoked more than it should have. It must have been leaking oil that was ignited by a hot muffler. It lasted seven years and might have operated safely for many more if my yard had been a typical residential size of an acre or less, but it wasn't cut out for 3.5 acres. Also, the quality of manufacture is questionable as I was told that motor was made in China when I bought it in 2015. I'm told they're made in the USA now, but I have not been able to verify whether that is true. Anyway, I didn't want another mower with a Kohler engine, so I bought the Bad Boy Magnum because it came with a Kawasaki FR651V engine. It has the solid "whump" sound like a helicopter engine, not the lighter pitch of the Kohler 7000. It's important to match the machine, especially its engine, to the size of the yard you need to cut. You don't want an engine that poses a fire hazard if you cut more acreage than it's really designed for.

[@dkmassey1]

I bought a bad boy and paid xtra for a Kawasaki motor only to have it blow up at about 100 hours. Couldn't get bad boy or Kawasaki to honor the warranty. So i bought a new motor online (Kawasaki that cost more than my gm 5.7 crate motor) Going on 7 yrs now but when I replace it i will definitely shop around for different manufacturers and motors. Kawasaki definitely isn't what it used to be

[@BlueberryStinkFinger62]

Once you get in 12 11 10 on down gage steel your in commercial grade Steel

[@properteaproperty]

Last year I bought a 28hp Ferris.. With the seat upgrade.. Its so confortable to ride.. The suspension is worth the money over a Snapper Pro

[@jamesadams4506]

Ferris is the way to go

[@squidvis]

Well anything is worth it compared to a Snapper so it's not much of a comparison. A fuckin craftsman is better than a Snapper 🤣

[@bobhunt249]

eXmark Navigator center box collection is the way to go. Cuts very smooth and doesn't side discharge crap

[@robvancamp3956]

What finance company are you going through to get that Altoz for 234 a month?

[@kevinlancaster4535]

And where do you come up with your monthly payment for the Altoz? $24000 on a zero interest loan for 6 years is $333 a month.

[@bc5891]

Love my $7400 Exmark Radius X 60 inch with Kawasaki engine. We wanted something stronger and more dependable that big box store mowers due to the amount of grass here i have to cut. If i could turn back the clock i would have bought a 72 inch Diesel engine mower but pricing for those today have skyrocketed so this Exmark is doing the job great. If my Exmark dies i will just invest in a large finishing mower for my tractor

[@alansewell7810]

I bought a big box brand of riding lawn mower about ten years ago (one company makes several low-quality brands sold only at big box stores for the $2,000 to $3,000 price range). It kept breaking down every week because it used a plastic lift band (about as strong as they use to tie loaves of bread) to lift the deck. An utter piece of garbage of a machine. Typical cost-cutting done by cheapskate manufacturers that market through big box stores, to use plastic instead of metal on a yard machine. After I got rid of that [ ] I bought a Gravely 42" that lasted seven years, and last week I bought a Bad Boy MZ Magnum 48" with Kawasaki engine to cut my 3.5 acres. I've only been using the Bad Boy for a couple days, but am pleased with the cut so far, and the reduction in time it takes to cut; the new 48" vs. the old 42" makes a big difference on a 3.5 acre property.

[@patsimpkins6477]

A better comparison would be a Altoz vs a Ventrac.

[@S1D1T1DO]

What do most home owners want? They want well cut grass in dry in wet conditions with nice stripes. Forget all the other addons and discounts between the two. What matters is the deck. The reason to spend extra over the cheaper mower is to get the commercial deck so you can achieve these things. It's worth the extra to move up to the commercial deck IMO.

[@waynemiller9388]

Compare thes to a kubota zd let me know how ur 20000 dollar mower compairs

[@jamescrain2270]

Had lots of mowers best ones I’ve had was an Exmark laser Z and my scag Turf Tiger best mowers ever

[@justinpryor9424]

I have a 1995 bush hog 60 inch cut. And it's still running strong I have had to put a new engine on it. That's been it. It'd been very well maintained its whole life. I would put it up against that 20k mower and day.

[@troublemaker2121]

Was that really far, I mean take the top of the line commerical mower against a not top of the line residential mower?

[@AltonRowell-gb1lb]

I think if you ever plan on sailing the mower i would buy something like a commercial. That would be a lot easer to sale. There's always people wonting a good commercial mower.

[@mr.astrophysics9115]

Well tractor Bob I just did some deep research on the best engines to have in your tractor and Zero turn mowers and it seems it's not kawasaki even though kawasaki got high marks the two best engines are Kohler and Honda so I would like to know how you came up the kawasaki engines being the best?

[@j.johnson6548]

Every dealer and repair shop in my area swears by Kawasaki… I’ve haven’t had any problems with their engines. We run residential toro zero turn mowers with Kawasaki engines commercially

[@Chrisvlogs73]

I’ve used a Kohler 7000 for 4 years commercially. Not one issue. My new commercial mower has a 25 hp Briggs

[@1289lt]

Vanguard is the best hands dawn in power fuel consumption .

[@georgeheidkesr1759]

Agreed !! I saw a "repair shop " survey, and the Kawi FR model 23 hp was the worst for repair. I own both.....the Kholer runs perfectly, The Kawi just needed a carb repair.....both 220hrs. I saw a Kholer disassembled & looked waaay superior parts-wise. Between the two......I'd base my decision strictly on total out the door price of a mower.

[@bmws1krr340]

I have a spartin 45" srt hd 2020 modle and it's a brush hog tree trimmer and then a mower. But for 9k I couldn't beat that deal on sale.

[@raulhogland7309]

I think it’s a matter of time. If you put atv tires on you lower end ztm it can climb considerably better than with stock turf tires that get clogged in mud very easily and quickly. So a smaller cheaper unit just takes a little longer. But if you want the speed and power to do it all quickly and in comfort then yes, to me it’s worth it because I do it commercially and average $350-500 an hour. I can cut about an acre in 30 minutes of overgrown weeds and time is money. So I paid for the TRX766i with the 37 hp and tracks. So my 2 ć.

[@ctfan1486]

I was looking at a Spartan and Kioti. I got the Kioti but the Spartan had more aggressive tires that I thought would be helpful.

[@person86422]

Swisher big mow has an optional "flail" or rough cut deck also

[@TractorBobs]

Sweet I'll check it out! Thanks!

[@ThaGreatestAlexander]

sorry im actually looking for a smoker, but nice video

[@350CHEBY]

If you had a business with like 4 other people then the 3K units might be more affordable because they do the same as the 20K unit but if you are your own business then the 20k unit might be better

[@christophercarr4058]

Why get a $23k zero vs a small tractor?

[@wolfpackflt670]

A small tractor with a bush hog would run circles around that mower.

[@FerrellBill]

My Husqvarna MZ 61 has a 28 hp motor. Thats larger than some small tractors. If I upgraded to a 50 hp tractor I'd be cutting the same width (60") but would only increase my gas, decrease my quality of cut and increase my time of cut since the Husqvarna is zero turn.

[@0UTmyMIND-DEVINE]

I would love to have that beast. But by lil 2014 ish badboy mz magnum has been a little tank itself. I have one original spinal on it I can’t get off. But for $2500 3 years so far of cutting nearly everyday. I’m hapoy

[@fredhinck9685]

20 k mower still has cheap stamped steel pulleys.

[@gordonking4360]

20HPon one 20 HP on other, how do you get a 20 hp difference ?

[@georgeheidkesr1759]

I can't speak to those high-dollar commercial mowers...........but I own a Gravley residential that is very durable.....it was $4200 three years ago when purchased & now has 220hrs of use. Last week I purchased a new " Leftover" 2022 model Gravley, but upgraded both power & drive-transaxles only because the extremely thick spring grass slows my mowing considerably....I simply needed more power. My personal feeling is that the extremely costly mowers are a " want " and not a " need " !!!

[@TractorBobs]

Solid Choice! Gravely made it on our Top 10 Mower brand video we JUST RELEASED.

[@xXGizmoXisXcoolXx]

Hello can y’all do an update video on the 2022 Bad Boy lineup price increases? I keep using your videos from 2021 as a guide in my purchase decision and am considering buying from Tractor Bobs. (I’m in Tulsa) I just can’t seem to find the mowers you review for the prices you advertised just a year ago and the difference really does make a difference on which model I choose to go with.

[@TractorBobs]

I hear you brother. First off, thanks for the comment man. Second you bring up a really good point, prices have increased. I think that video idea is a really good one and I will try and make one as soon as possible. However it still might take some time to make. In the meantime, feel free to give us a call at Tractor Bobs 405-604-5454 Someone there can help you out with all the prices over the phone. If you want we can even deliver a mower to you if you decide to purchase with us. Cheers!

[@bryanlacount7551]

What's the point in comparing a commercial mower to a residential mowet?

[@TractorBobs]

Mainly for fun! But also to show what you get for the extra cash money 🤑 💸 💲 💵 💰

[@michaelw5112]

I would be happy with any 34inch mower. Where are they. Been looking for 2 years. Nobody has them.

[@packetattack7437]

I have a 2021 model Big Dog 34" with an 18hp Briggs V-Twin for my 1/3 acre. Great machine! It's the Rex MP Model. I had an order in for the 36" Alpha but Big Dog canceled the order because of supply chain issues and I waited 8 months for that and then canceled at the last minute. Big Dog is Hustlers line, instead of Yellow they are all Red.

[@douglasdowling4773]

The difference is between night and day . How often are you going to be mowing tall grass. ? As for me hardly ever . Yah im gonna go with the Bad Boy mower . The other thing is that im not a real big fan of the track system on the 20 thousand dollar mower which looks lik it could totally destroy a yard with those back tracks . Just because it coast more money doesn't make it better .

[@FrickFoster]

I will add, you get what you pay for. Good tools aren't cheap. Cheap tools are no good.

[@DBVogel87]

Lets be honest, you got maybe 5 engine choices, kholer, kawi or briggs, yanmar or kubota, maybe 5 or 6 hydro combinations thats used between them allthe rest of it is deck and frame design.

[@TractorBobs]

You are correct! Tire size also plays a role as well.

[@7.3PSDA2]

well a 3k mower will have a stamped 12 to 10 guage mower and a 20k should have a welded 6 or 7 gauge deck 1st off. 2nd a cheaper mower will have a lesser engine prolly a 7000 kolher which is a terrible engine the higher mower will have a fx series kaw or van gaurd. and No i havent watched this yet. ive worked on hustler/scag/country clipper/husqvarna/john deere/dixon just to name a few. my opinion the fr series which is a slightly lesser more residental mower is one of the best engine ever made. my dad has a fr730 with 1200 hrs and no issues. i personally have a jazee one 42 inch with a fr730 engine... i installed. and i mow 5 acres with it.

[@malikjones3317]

Biggest difference one us commercial the other is residential

[@Bigpimpin9393]

I would of just said the $3000 mower is made of plastic and the $20k mower is made in the USA video over

[@JohannZ100]

A 2000 or 3000 dollar zero turn mower is not worth the headache I have ran various machines seen various issues Kubota Exmark Hustler Cub Cadet And John Deere. Kubota Cub Cadet Husqvarna And John Deere are brands I strongly suggest Commercial Zero Turns last manu many years. I have one neighbor who bought a bob-cat in 2009 and it had basic wear and tear recently went through a starter and had an oil leak from the transmission he took good care of it still going strong. My Next Door neighbor has a Z Force lz 48 Cub Cadet with a Kawasaki and 48 inch fabricated deck bought new in 2014 only issues it had was the spindles failed and needed to be replaced and recently went through a middle spindle the engine has worked well kawasaki engines are execelent engines. That cub cadet mows 3.5 acres and it is still in use to this day I had a craftsman t1000 Recently put A 12.5 flathead briggs and stratton engine to replace the very tired zongshen craftsman branded enginem it had transmission issues and the deck belt kept jumping off the deck when disengaged and the spindles failed. My toro ss4235 has the right side transmission lose power when hot and the deck is cracking and falling apart. My dads la150 has had the deck rebuilt 3 times with in 130 hours the more expensive john deeres are the ones worth spending they are better built. My point here is if you spend extra money on a commercial mower such as a Kubota Diesel or Husqvarna zero turn the higher end john deere is better than the lower end. John Deeres you will get close to 20 years of service my neighbors bobcat will last another 10 years. Im going to buy a Commercial grade or prosumer Zero Turn My thinking is getting a John Deere Z730R reason is the Kawasaki Engine lights rops that are foldable and more The other makes dont have what the Deere consist of and Deere has the best parts support too. I do plan to get a used husqvarna tractor also fo pulling a cart and other attachments around.

[@tonywilliams424]

Who the Hell uses BadBoy,most people I know use Exmark or Toro or Skag.The Smart Landscapers use SuperZ Hyperdrive or Wright.The SuperZ Hyperdrive is like a Tank and it's Ffaasstt. I prefer Hustler I want Altoz Switch Tool Carrier not the Tracked Mowers.

[@gatt2b]

Ok I have a bad boy outlaw xp kawasaki 32hp 8,490 in 2011 no I can't cut 8ft grass but 4ft no problem plus mine has a rear spoiler to help hold that baby down it wants to fly 😁🤯

[@fightingquads9198]

I speak for the regular dude, if I have to finance a "tractor" I don't need it.

[@richardbailey6379]

Just buy a kubota with a Diesel engine

[@jeremy05sti]

I just don’t see $19,000+ of difference - I’ll stick to my push mower for my 1 acre :)

[@douglasdowling4773]

Lol ! I know that's right .

[@jhomrich89]

Not really the best comparison, the Altoz is more of a zero turn bush hog and most people have no need for that, very specialty market, a better comparison would have been a diesel zero turn versus the 3k mower.

[@TractorBobs]

Noted!

[@blueboat9581]

There's no comparison between a skippy homeowner mower versus a real workhouse commercial machine. You don't compare a Honda civic to a monster truck. Both have different jobs.

[@mytime007]

love my $1,500 20 year old 60" lazer Z exmark (used with 800 hours)), Leave it out in the rain for weeks, had to weld patches on the deck to keep grass from flying into my face, and every rut or whole in the yard is felt. The tank fires right up and cuts grass that most of the time I should bush hog it. There are times the grass is so high, can not see me on the mower cutting grass and it still gets the job done, How ever, the higher grass , i have to lift the blade. I would like to upgrade but I know a newer one can not keep up with this beast.

[@Card_Threapy]

Spend the big bucks money will be yours

[@Orefamilylawncare]

Well what I'm about to say comes from someone who operates a commercial business. Although the altoz has its place (basically a bush hog) let's talk resale value on BOTH mowers. Realistically bad boy has very poor resale value just check your local craigslist or Facebook, consistently bad boy mowers have very poor resale value, a commercial guy will not buy it. I have more thoughts but can't type more lol.

[@bryanlacount7551]

The Altoz is a commercial grade mower, the Bad Boy is a residential mower. Commercial grade anything always had a better resale than residential grade.

[@TRICK-OR-TREAT236]

$17,000. DUH !

[@shawn_143]

Don't worry about it just higher a company to mow your grass. 3k will pay for a lot of service plus you don't have to worry about the maintenance buying all the gas the weedwacker blowers rakes any of that and most importantly your time

[@dansmith5012]

Well in my case 3K would get me through 2 or 3 seasons if I were to pay a company to mow my grass so it's not even a possibility and on top of that it would take away one thing I actually enjoy doing. Paying a company to mow your grass is the same as renting an apartment, you pay for years and when it's done and you move, you get nothing for what you paid which is exactly the kind of bs the governments of this world want for all of us, renters for life. "You will own nothing and you'll be happy"...WELL, NOT ME!

[@shawn_143]

@@dansmith5012 that's quite the stretch there bud. Hope you own the cow. Buying milk is like leasing a car. Big brother wants us dependent

[@FerrellBill]

I have fifteen acres. I mow five at least. If I hired it out, would cost me at least $1,500 a month. I've had a Husqvarna MZ61 for four years now. It is a hosscat and I love it. Definitely has saved me thousands compared to hiring it out.

[@Yamacamkaw]

Price to cut 2 acres. Each week or every other Vs a monthly payment or buying cash

[@packetattack7437]

Yeah when after they are done cutting 20 yards in one day and you're last on the route, you get every single fungus and grass disease from those blades. No LCO is cleaning blades from property to property. Good luck with that.

[@Tolbat]

Watching someone step on a deck when you are never ever supposed to do that made me cringe.

[@TractorBobs]

I know right! Luckily the deck on both mowers is designed to be stepped on!

[@randyshaw927]

I know from personal experience our company bought an Altos and they're a big piece of s*** the mower only had 480 hours on it and I was already replacing spindles that got wet when they're supposed to be sealed spindles that can get wet

[@johngatsby1473]

I just bought my dead neighbors 2007 gravely zt1740. 250 hours on the clock and it runs like a charm. Dummies pay 20k for a mower

[@johngatsby1473]

@bestplayerhear let's face it....someone created a market for landscapers..... I know the decks are built heavy and good but the engines are run of the mill. There's no way to justify that kind of money....there's a ton of profit taking going on in the industry. An old tenant of mine did this for a living and I remember, after he died, trying to lift one of those commercial push mowers....holy cow...very very heavy

[@terryotto67]

I'm one of those dummies who sent 20k for one of those mowers I make 100k a summer with it that's a petty go return on my investment.

[@lonestarhomestead5415]

Scag TT2... Never look back.

[@leeit2me]

How on earth you can compare a 3k to a 20k machine?? just don't make sense.. bad click bait...

[@timetopay5344]

If I purchased a $20,000 on a zero turn it better come with a kitchen sink.

[@tjlovesrachel]

Would never buy a transaxle machine ever…. And that commercial mower has a vertical shaft engine with a belt to drive the deck why not a driveshaft with a horizontal shaft setup….but I love the tracks tho

[@marcusd6096]

The big 20k mowers will rut up some residential grass. I'd just buy 4 residentials for the price of one 20k mower. residential mowers are easier on the terrain. Also one can have a mower for the different type of situations and back up mowers as well. I own a wright, Toro, gravely, Husqvarna, Honda, craftsman, and Troy built mower. From my experience with the mowers, the tractor style mowers last longer than the zero turn mowers, and less issues. The Gravely has the worst cut of all of them. If I buy another mower it will be a tight turn tractor style. They are set up to do more than Zero turns.

[@cliffpalermo]

BS not even the same genre. The altos is basically a brush hog.

[@BrokenCompass85]

Bad boy all day long 20k 🤦‍♂️

[@travissmith5605]

20k that's ridiculous that's more than I paid for my truck

[@outlet6989]

I bet a guy who pays $20+ thousand for his mover also has a new Corvette in his garage.

[@NotAHillyBilly]

Spending 20k for a zero turn mower is absolutely outrageous. xD

[@BlueberryStinkFinger62]

2021 Craftsman turn tight T240 Kohler 22 horsepower 725cc V Twin engine 3 year unlimited hours warranty..46 in cut the Kohler engine is based after the Kohler command commercial pro engine Cast iron sleeved..thick cast iron front Axle..630 pounds..72 inches long 48 inches high tuff torque hydrostatic transmission steel gear serviceable transmission 5 inch turning radius I paid a total of $2,700 for it..I do not see or hear a $17,000 difference between what I have and your $20,000 zero turn not even slightly close..

[@TractorBobs]

That's for you to decide for yourself my friend. I'm happy your craftsman t240 is treating you well! Happy mowing, Cheers!

[@BlueberryStinkFinger62]

@@TractorBobs I asked you the question..but here's the honest answer this is no justified reason why this zero is $17,000 more than my 2021 craftsman turn tight T240 not even close ...the zero turn is a marketing Con Job I don't you get people to believe it is

[@jhomrich89]

The engine alone on the altoz costs as much as your entire mower, the altoz can cut really tall grass and light brush much like a tractor with a rotary cutter, your mower can't handle any of that, try that and you'll damage your machine. The Altoz is built for several thousand hours of use, the craftsman or really any other homeowner mower is done after 800 to 1000hrs +/-. It's nothing against your mower, as I pointed out these mowers are built with different tasks in mind and the customer who buys an altoz is going to be very different from one who buys a homeowner mower. Obviously you have no use for a 20k mower so it seems obsurd to you, but don't diss it because it has a high price tag it has that for a reason you get what you pay for; nobody in their right mind would buy a cheap homeowner mower for mowing many acres of land with uneven terrain and high grass they would get a tractor and bush hog or the altoz shown here or visa versa buy a 20k mower to mow a 1/2 acre property in suburbia America...

[@BlueberryStinkFinger62]

@@jhomrich89 the engine on mine is the Kohler 7000 series and it's considered one of the very best and if I was to replace it with a brand new one $1,700 to $ 2,000 I wouldn't call that cheap by No standards plus it comes with a 3 year unlimited hours warranty not 3 years or 500 hours witch ever comes first the engine is also designed after the Kohler command commercial pro engine and a 5 inch turning radius..so now I'll ask you with all that plus a lot more for $2,700 were is the justification for $17,000 more for the zero turn? This isn't any justification for $17,000 more not even close

[@framelawncare6671]

There is just soooo many differences between a residential craftsman mower like that and any tier of commercial grade mowers. Based on a commercial engine does not make it a commercial engine that doesnt have a commercial airfilter assembly and the long term durability of that engine isnt going to be the same as Kawasaki FS or even close to a FX motor or any commercial kohler mowers, id love to see a few thousand hours on that motor and see how it holds up. The serviceable transmission on that mower is just a basic hydrostatic tranmission and is slower and less durable than the commercial pump and motor system seeing on commercial Stand on's and ZT's which will see thousand's of hours of service life. Then of course there is just the build quality difference of the frame and deck. the craftsmen just has a basic stamped deck compared to the fabricated decks found on commercial mowers which are around 7 gauge steel. The spindels on commercial grade mowers are much thicker and use much higher quality bearings and metal. The frame on the Commercial ZT is much thicker hence the massive weight difference. You can try to compare a Craftsmen garden tractor to a commercial ZT all you want but at the end of the day they are completly different machines one is built to handle daily brush cutting/mowing for thousands of hours and another is a garden tractor meant to get used a couple hours a week. Your typical Commercial ZT or stand on is built to handle a few thousand hours of commercial grade work those cost around 10k plus or minus a few, the 20k zt is meant for very heavy work and is in a niche area and the price tage reflects that. Commercial landscapers will buy those mowers like they buy the 10k mowers and they will use them and abuse and squeeze every cent they can out of it. You cant understand how the difference's between these mowers unless you have actually seen them in person and used them simple as that... there is no replacing a commercial ZT or stand on when it comes to Durability, performance, and cut quality thats why you dont see commercial landscapers using Lowe's special garden tractor's.

[@Trump985]

Over $20,000 and they can’t even put a diesel on it 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@haroldrose7507]

Never would pay 20k just to drive around the yard

[@mxr248]

No mower should cost $20,000!!! Bad enough vehicles cost that and more!

[@roblacerra3257]

The commercial vs non commercial debate is stupid. They make them both the same now .

[@ForrestGump1212]

anyone that spends @20K or more on a zero turn mower is smoking crack. haha

[@kylestivers4606]

Only a moron would spend 20 thousand dollars for a lawnmower. I got 2 lawnmowers. A 2005 craftsman lt1000 and a 3 thousand dollar cub cadet zt1 zero turn with a 50 inch fabricated deck and a kawasaki 23 hp motor. The craftsman is 17 years old and the cub cadet is 3 years old.

[@ckrafcheck4216]

today i learned they sell 20k mowers

[@cb7pwn]

There is no mower on earth "worth" 20k. Total rip off at that price

[@B86432]

you dont need a 20k mower unless its a commercial electric mean green California regulations nonsense & a 3k new zero turn is a joke on the commercial level unless its used you couldnt give me either of these mowers to use let alone buy