Lawn mowers to avoid!

As a mechanic, I work on many brands of residental and commercial mowers daily. Here are the used residential lawn mowers I'd recommend you avoid. If you already have one of these mowers, you may not like this video. This video will still be helpful if you choose to keep one of these mentioned mowers.
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[@Mechanical_Mind]

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[@timvala7577]

I knew a guy that told me you can paint an out house green. Call it John Deere and people will buy it.😂😂

[@Mechanical_Mind]

You could paint a dog turd green and yellow and JD fan boys would not only buy it, they would eat it and say it was great.

[@jimdodge5766]

Hey give him a big round of applause. He is honest.

[@americanazheck]

I've owned mine for seven years and had zero issues. One belt and one battery ..Love my Deere.

[@privatedata665]

I was a Tech and a Service Manager for many years at a GM garage . This Man took the time to make this video and share his mechanical experiences , what he sees as common failures & I appreciate his opinion and experience very much . Some people who own the models mentioned may never have a problem BUT why take the chance ? We experienced this too on GM cars that had expensive common failures . Occasionally one of these cars would perform great with no issues . Thanks for the video , we will be shopping for a mower soon .

[@Mechanical_Mind]

Thank you Private data for that comment!

[@jameswatson4110]

What better place to get good advice? This man works on these products he knows them. Thank you sir I will keep this in mind

[@markp.7165]

I am not questioning this gentleman's conclusions however the only way you can know the failure rate of these mowers is to know how many are being sold and how many of those are failing. JD knows those figures and I would have to think that that percentage has to be at acceptable level or JD would not allow their name to be tarnished with a bad product. It is all about the numbers and we really don't know those numbers we only know that some bad ones are showing up at this mans shop. Is that 30% or 3% of the ones sold?

[@ifyoutip]

​@@markp.7165it's really bad. Them mowers are junk. My neighbor bought one of the John Deere ones. Everytime it broke and he got it fixed he thought it should be good now. It just got worse and worse. I believe his deck broke at the welds were the anti scalp rollers are very early on. I bought an exmark because I got over 2 acres to mow. 1100 hours and still going strong. This junker has 7 hours? My other neighbor across the road bought a big commercial 72" John Deere powered by yanmar diesel because he had about 4 acres to mow. It was in the shop 5 times in the first season. And that was supposed to be a good one he paid probably 15-17 thousand for. I'd buy a used commercial grade scag, exmark or toro before a new residential class junker. There is a reason the professional landscapers use exmark and Toro.

[@michaelmitrosky8432]

That is a very important question.

[@Tolbat]

So just to speak up as an owner of the Z335E - Have had the mower a year. Have not had to add any air to the tires, nor have I had any issues with the mower. I mow a 1/3 of an acre and help my neighbor mow sometimes, she has a large yard. I do have the plastic casters, but they were greased from a factory. I never have a need to adjust the deck on the fly and do it when the mower is off from a standing position. I never EVER STAND on my deck. My deck is rinsed after each use and looks brand new after a year of use. You made me feel good about the engine though that was my only worry. If you have a rough, uneven yard, maybe it's a bad mower, but for me it's been reliable and makes mowing MUCH faster and easier. That said, I would NOT Pay the current prices for any of these mowers, I would find a good used mower that has low hours. The price has increased 15 percent since I bought mine, and I also got the 10percent veterans discount at Lowes. So, I paid 1000 less than what you see today. Buy what works for you. My mower cuts beautiful clean paths through the yard and I have no complaints yet.

[@Tolbat]

Update - I ran into a stump yesterday at half speed on accident with the deck. The deck did not take any damage, even though it stopped dead and I almost came off the seat. Not sure what this guy is talking about. Other than the front wheels which do nothing. No issues with mine they are just cheaper designed like he says.

[@mkwiswes]

I have the Z345R with 180 hrs. No issues, but I do wish I went with a different brand. I do all the maintenance and I feel like they make it purposefully difficult. Oil drain hose is to short, spindle grease fitting are difficult to work with, deck leveling has plastic in the way for standard tools.

[@johnlawson656]

I have a z335E. Going on 8 years. Never had an issue. (Knocking on wood)

[@user-og2lq6oq3l]

Same here had mine for over a year no issues!

[@libertarianman69]

Damn you paid $10,000 for it?

[@dnprgp0n331]

You are absolutely correct and spot on! I had a John Deere Z540M zero. 176 hours and both hydrostatic transmissions have gone out. $1200 a piece and John Deere doesn’t stand behind. After the second one I got rid of it and will never buy another. Listen to this guy and stay away!

[@aaronfrodo9177]

I use a Hustler dash 34 inch and its the perfect size. Its great for both big and small yards.

[@stratoman5504]

I appreciate your honesty and I hope you don’t get fired.

[@Mechanical_Mind]

Haha I'll be okay either way. Thanks for watching 🍻

[@deanmiller294]

Truth of the matter is that every product that has multiple moving parts will experience a failure over time. Some will find this out in3 months, others in 6 years and in between. Have had a z335 e for 5 1/2 years. Mowed 2-3 times per week for 1 1/2 hrs each. I must be one of lucky ones. Other than a new battery, I’ve had 0 issues.

[@youtubernaz1scensoredbythe201]

I love mine! I use it on 2 acres. Never have ANY problems with it...

[@scotty2307]

This is why I actually went to a John Deere dealer and bought an S240. Aluminum transmission, heavier frame, and Kawasaki 2 cylinder engine. One word of advice for all yard equipment, if it is available in your area, use non ethanol gas only, for your equipment.

[@Mechanical_Mind]

I like the S240s

[@happycamper5900]

Shade tree here. Ethanol gas keeps me busy fixing the neighbor's equipment. I had a brand new mower given to me last week. The carburetor was full of jelly caused by ethanol.

[@MeetJoeBlack55]

Good rule of thumb .... if it's got a carburetor = use NON-ethanol gas ..... old car, old truck, lawn equipment, go cart, etc..... NON-ethanol gas only. I also use Sta-Bil gas treatment all the time .... keeps the headaches away !!

[@oilfieldman1209]

May I ask what you paid for it?

[@scotty2307]

@@oilfieldman1209 I paid about $2300 about 8 or 10 years ago at my local John Deere dealer. Looking on their site now, they are asking $3450. They have made some improvements to the deck, so between that, and inflation, I guess that justifies the price hike. I think they have added a lever operated mulch changeover so you no longer need to buy the mulch plug.

[@williamgoodman9861]

Im a landscaper and you are telling the truth. I would never buy that junkyard

[@jray5363]

I’ve had one of those zero turn mowers for several years, and it’s the best mower I’ve ever had! That’s probably because the ones that came before were junk! The JD runs rough, but it always runs, and cuts good! You are absolutely right about those front tires! 😅 They won’t hold air for shit! I have to pump mine up before every mow! AND I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST MINE! The little 12v Milwaukee air pump has paid for itself a few times already!

[@el1161]

I've had the Z335 for 6 years and use it every week on 1 acre. I did replace the front wheel bushings last year only because I noticed some noise from them. So, except for regular seasonal maintenance I've spent a total of $15 in repairs. The unit's been the best mower I've ever owned and the price was reasonable. I wish I had bought it sooner!

[@biffmasterson9786]

I know a 90 year old that smokes and drinks. One!

[@youtubernaz1scensoredbythe201]

Had my Z track for about a year. Same here too. I love mine.

[@afstring]

Just bought a z325e and everything he said about that mower does not even look close to what he is saying. Not sure what year this mower is but the things he points out are completely wrong. My mower works great.

[@jhudson19956]

5 years in I haven’t had one good year with the same mower.

[@derekm3180]

haha same here - all I've ever had to do on mine is replace/sharpen the blades every few seasons, and change the oil and air up the tires once a year. I hope I haven't jinxed myself....

[@mikey380sx]

Great video, and solid criticisms about the cheaper JD's, especially coming from someone who works on these day in day out. Like a lot of commenters here I too own a Z335e that has been faultless, used it on a couple of commercial jobs too. But it's food for thought when it comes time to trade and upgrade.

[@Anonymouso283]

13 year old Z920 owner here with 1900 hours - Definitely go top of the line. Go balls out. You won’t regret buying the best of the best.

[@watchthisusa]

Great video. Full of useful info, not the usual useless " filler" talk.

[@davidbusekrus2336]

I have a Z425 I bought new. I have had nothing but good service out of the unit. No problems at all for 3 years.

[@tomn5880]

I recommend the John Deere S240. You get a 300 frame, front axel, rear axel and a a Kawasaki V twin engine.

[@cordbanks6372]

And it’s a beast of a mower

[@kurtneumann3164]

Learned my lesson with any product. Buy from dealer and get extended warranty. Not box stores! Appliances included!

[@Kiddro22]

Owned a Z345R since 2018. Didn't buy from a big box store. Not one problem out of it. I use LG276 service kit every year. Everything any manufacture makes is all designed for them to save on cheaper parts to build it. The motor is what I look at...Kawasaki, Briggs/Stratton..Kohler...Honda

[@789295]

I appreciate your video, however...My Z335E has nearly 500 hours on it with out fail. I do an annual maintenance on it myself. I did put a pair of bushings in the casters last year along with installing a grease zerk for them. I installed some "flatout" in the caster wheels and never looked back. No bent deck so far and it sure is heavier than those Cub Cadet/MTD junk mowers. This past winter I did replace the bearings in the deck spindles. The bearings didn't lock up but were sounding rough. I already had the deck off for annual cleaning and checks anyway. The bearing replacement was only about a 30 min job. I've been pretty happy with my Z335E so far. I bought my Mom a Z235 years before this one, and hers is still running and mowing fine. Basically the Z235 is the same mower. She is able to steer the Z235 without hurting her arthritic hands so much. She's 88 and still enjoys cutting her grass when she can.

[@joep6023]

I see so many replies referring to the Z335, what about the Z315E which I just purchased. What's the difference?

[@lordnikaderm2607]

335e owner here. Almost 7 years, 150+ hours, and no problems whatsoever other than blade replacement and yearly routine maintenance. I use it to mow approximately 2-3 acres once a week during Spring/Summer. Have never seen the stuff you mentioned in the video...

[@stackzent.tv3]

Right

[@hermanmunster714]

you cant be mowing 3 acres weekly, for seven years and have only 150 hours. Seems low or your acres are super flat and even, no trees and nothing to go around, just full throttle and done in half hour?

[@lordnikaderm2607]

@@hermanmunster714 Yep, you pretty much nailed it. Flat, open, and full speed the whole time. And lately I've only been doing all of it biweekly, so I'm putting even less hours per summer. Also, I guess I didn't mention that - I only have to mow during the summer months.

[@eddiewillers8379]

I'm confirmed believer if you do regular maintenance such as oil changes and such you won't have as many problems

[@lordnikaderm2607]

@@stackzent.tv3 damn straight lol

[@NEAFarmKid4010]

I mean, mine could just be a unicorn, but we've had a Z355E for 6 years now and its been a good dependable little mower. Just don't expect more out of them than what they are. Ours has 300-ish hours on it, no spindle issues, no issues with the Accel-Deep 48" deck (course we don't step on it to get on and off the mower, there's a built-in step at the front for that) and the little 22 horse Briggs and the Accel Deep 48" is running strong. My grandpa's had a Z445 since it was brand new in 2013 and its still doing great too. Has the 27 horse Briggs with the 54-inch deck. Nothing but regular oil changes, filter maintenance (oil, air and fuel) and keeping the blades sharpened and replaced when needed. Put a set of plugs in ours a year or two ago because it was time for it on the service interval chart, but it really didn't need them and I've kept the old ones around for spares. As far as the deck being hard to lift, just try running the older EZTrak series mowers like the Z445 my grandpa has. Has a straight lever to pick the deck up rather than one turned 90 degrees. 10 times worse in my opinion.

[@johnanderson4808]

Great video and good advise. Went with a Bad Boy ZT Elite 60' deck and 747CC Kohler engine (avoid the Suzuki engine. Their advice). 0 disappointment. Super easy to work on, not that it's needed much. 100% designed to be be easy to work on and the deck even has "Step Here" decals. Been so impressed with it, picked up[ a 3026H Tractor as well. Same thing, super easy to work on and just hands down reliable. Word of advice, any mower that has a stamped deck instead of a welded one is one to avoid. For those not in the know or new buyers, if the deck is nicely rounded, contoured to the blades and the bottom of the deck is curled up, it's stamped. That means it's cheaply made and thin. A welded deck is much more angular, thicker will last much longer and usually has a reinforcement, visibly welded bar on the bottom. You get what you pay for.

[@Fred-gv3kh]

I appreciate that info!! Thanks!!! Looking to buy my first riding mower after buying a house recently.

[@mightytort4739]

​@@Fred-gv3khWhat did you decide on the mower? I'm doing the same right now.

[@heep34987yt]

Had mine 3 years zero issues so far works perfect.

[@Mechanical_Mind]

Hopefully you will not have any issues. Sounds like you know how to use and maintain one properly.

[@cousinfester4621]

I have a five year old 345M with a 42 inch deck. It runs fine. I have the foot pedal to assist in lifting the deck. I have no need to need to step on the mower deck when climbing onto the mower. I've replaced the front tubeless tire with tube type and that's all I've done other than routine maintenance like blade sharpening, oil and filter changes and such.

[@MrLike2surf]

What zero turn do you have?

[@danbooher5843]

U don't have any grass to cut and u know nothing about mowers.😅

[@KentuckyRanger]

I have a Z225, that I purchased in 2009, and it's ran very good! (Knock on wood) It also, only has 92 hours on it, so it's had an easy life. Looking at the newer JD zero turns, I seriously doubt I'll be buying another...

[@rckdcknson]

John Deere Z245 zero turn here....2008 model. Absolutely no issues since new. Replaced a few batteries as normal, keep serviced and still as new.

[@johndunning9]

59 years old I've had many mowers. I remember when there were lawn tractors instead of lawn mowers. Like everything they built things cheaper and charged more. On a small flat lawn and if you take it easy with the mower you'll probably be ok with the cheaper mowers with proper maintenance. But if you have hills and large areas to mow, you would be better off spending the extra money. Thank you for this video great information!

[@jeffhowell6053]

Other than the issues with the front tires not holding air, I have nothing but good things to say about my 335E. I've mowed 2 STEEP acres for the past six years with no problems at all.

[@timkopp2204]

Get rid of it while it's still working. Lol

[@stuartbear922]

Quite often, it's the operator, NOT the machine. Some people should not operate machinery.

[@MattPiekarsky]

@@stuartbear922Plastic bushings is a pass for me

[@Carskinify]

@@stuartbear922 Yeah. They'd screw up an anvil.

[@diggerrob6356]

Contrary to your comments my experience has been quite the opposite. I had another earlier model for 4 or 5 years and lost it (and everything else) in the bushfires that ravaged SE Australia 3 years ago. My property was rough back then but in the wake of the fires it's now bloody rough. My replacement is the mower you are lambasting and for 3 years despite the terribly rough conditions it keeps coming back for more. I love the thing! As for standing on the deck, you get what you deserve if you are that stupid!

[@ferdiecassel3697]

Thanks for your honesty. I was questioning why a neighbor's JD yard mowers were constantly having the same issues you covered here. Very informative.

[@leadnsteel1428]

Their tractors were good but the zero turns dont seem to be. The d series tractors are the best.

[@barry4fish]

If you buy a Z-Trac zero turn from a JD dealership, you get the real deal, but not at the big box stores, those mowers are not the same even though they look like them. They cheap them down for those stores. I have had my Z335E for 8 years, no problems at all. I bought mine with a rebate that brought the price within a couple hundred dollars of Home Depot and Lowe’s, and better service from the dealer if you ever need it. This fact is common knowledge on the internet, don’t buy a JD from a big box store, you will have higher chance of problems.

[@freed6343]

I purchased a "residential" 42" Toro Timecutter with a fabricated steel deck and the "My Ride" suspension system a couple of years ago to replace a 42" Timecutter with a pressed steel deck. The only complaint I had with the old machine was the pressed steel deck... which is why I purchased the "same" machine only this time with the fabricated steel deck (which they call "iron forged"). I had to do some repair work on the pressed steel deck because of stumps I ran over, bending/breaking some parts underneath. (Also destroying the blades) I appreciate your taking time to make this video and will agree that there are some real pieces of junk out there. That being said, I will stand behind the quality of my most recently purchased machine FOR RESIDENTIAL USE... indeed, the next step up would have been a commercial unit although the machine I purchased does come in 46" and 52" 'residential' as well. Toro has made many improvements over the years, and if you purchase the dual bagging system ($900) it simply cannot be beat even by powered vacuum systems- it picks up everything. I did sell my old Timecutter to one of my neighbors for $400, and he's still using it. While Toro is the company's main brand, they also include commercial equipment like Exmark, Ditch Witch, Spartan as well as some of the finest rough, fairway and greens golf course maintenance machines available. I also have a 22" "Personal Pace" walk behind manufactured by Toro. MTD did make entry-level garden tractors and walk-behinds for Toro a few years back- whether they do or not now, I am not sure. Most of the "pieces of junk" you refer to in your video are manufactured by MTD. I think MTD is associated with (or owned by) Murray. It all boils down to "you get what you pay for"... As a side note, I will never buy another pressed steel deck zero-turn machine. The difference between one of those and the fabricated steel deck I now have are day and night.

[@MeetJoeBlack55]

I agree ... and the reason I bought a smaller residential zero-turn from Bad Boy Mowers .... fabricated EVERYTHING .... HEAVY-DUTY design and production. I thank my salesman everyday for recommending it.

[@johnduffy6546]

Thank you for your candid information. I have been a die hard JD owner for 40+ years and I have noticed a rapid decline in the quality of their products. (i.e. the John Deere "branded" engines)..I'm calling bullshit on this one! I'm guessing they are Briggs/Stratton made in China or similar...When my current rider dies, I'm switching horses to Cub Cadet with the Kohler engine...I have NO LOVE for Briggs and Stratton after a warranty debacle several years ago...Kohler has never let me down...Long lasting, smooth running, worry free

[@OldTimerGarden]

Thank you for your honesty. Most people buy John Deere mowers because they think the quality is much better. Most mowers will last many years if they're taken care of.

[@normanott644]

I have had a Z 425 for over 10 years with no issues, of course I serviced it regularly a haven’t abused it.

[@Mechanical_Mind]

A ten year old Z425 is a completely different mower and far better made then the late model z335e I talk about in this video. These things always have the same problems. But for the 2023 year model John Deere has solved 4 of the 5 things I mentioned was a problem with the Z335. Thanks for watching

[@normanott644]

@@Mechanical_Mind You’re right the newer units are built on the cheap I see it in my shop.

[@larrycutliffe3597]

Man I must have gotten lucky. My 335e has over 100 hours and just recently the starter solenoid failed. But that's it. Thanks for the video.

[@johnwalters7415]

He's just full of hot air

[@joenissan]

I’ve had my z355r for years now. Perfect. No issues. It’s obvious this dude works for a competitor lol. These machines are great.

[@lkennett]

I have an LA165 13 years old. I cut 2.5 acres weekly. It's a Home Depot unit but not abused and well maintained. Probably many more years in it.

[@raymondj8768]

Ive had Deer stuff so 14 years ago i bought a BAD BOY MOWER i finally have had my first problem a squeaky spindle they are great mowers there like tanks !!!

[@TheFishingHobby]

I have a much older JD Z225 (about 12 years old or so) that I bought new and it has been awesome. The JD zero turn you show here looks like the newer ones I've seen and they look much lighter built than mine as far as the frame goes. So much so, I ruled them out as an option when I was recently looking at new mowers. My deck is in bad shape, and they are expensive to replace so I decided to buy a new mower instead. Amazingly, all parts on mine are original except for blades, battery, air/oil filters, oil, spark plugs and one of the mounts for the steering levers. Never changed a deck spindle or bushing/bearing anywhere on that mower and it has definitely not been babied in the least. It has only been used on my property (2 acres) and not used commercially, but for a residential mower it gets treated pretty harshly at my place LOL! I noticed the stamped steel steering arm mounts on the one you showed where mine were cast...those stamped steel new ones look pretty flimsy. I did manage to break one of my cast ones after several years, but I was also using them to help me pull it out of a muddy ditch on a regular basis...yeah I abused my mower! I was so happy with my old one, the residential John Deere zero turns were the first ones I looked at when I started shopping for a new mower. I was really disappointed that I was able to rule them out within a couple of minutes of looking at them.

[@LaFanfanTulipe]

I bought mine in 2017. It looks exactly like the one in this video. I never had any problems with this one. Every two years I had it inspected and tuned up. As of now, I never had any repair besides checking the oil, the fuel tank and sharpening the blades. I had .7 acre of land. Perhaps, the lawnmower does well because I don't have that much acre. I don't know. I'm hoping the lawnmower would last until I die. I'm 76 years old now!

[@larryblanc]

Have z335e have 200 hours on mow over acre only change oil 50 hrs And Sharpe blades I am 80 yrs old best mower I have ever owned lowes bought

[@scome98]

I've got a Z335E used with the property. Served me well for 4 years, but I can see what you are saying. Although mine has taken quite a bit of abuse on 30+ acres where I had to use it to mow the pasture a couple of time. Got lots of hours on this thing and it's time for some much needed maintenance and love.

[@deeremeyer1749]

It's far beyond "much needed maintenance". MAINTENANCE MAINTAINS MACHINERY IN "LIKE NEW" CONDITION. IT CANNOT BE "DEFERRED" AND THE DAMAGE DONE BY ABUSE ON TOP OF "LACK OF MAINTENANCE" UNDONE BY "DEFERRED MAINTENANCE" AND THINKING FINALLY "MAINTAINING" IT WITH "LONG OVERDUE" SERVICE - LUBRICATION, CLEANING ESPECIALLY BEYOND "SKIN DEEP" TO GET "GRASS CLIPPINGS" OUT OF EVERYWHERE UNSEEN THAT MUST STAY CLEAN TO AVOID FURTHER ABUSE DUE TO OVERHEATING (EVERYTHING ON THAT UNIT IS "AIR-COOLED" ESPECIALLY THE TRANSAXLE) AND SERVICING IT WITH THE CORRECT - NOT "CLOSE ENOUGH" - LUBRICANTS AND PROCEDURES AND PARTS "OVERPRICED" OR NOT IS SHOWING IT SOME KIND OF "LOVE" AS SOMEONE DUMB ENOUGH TO MOW 30 ACRES OF "PASTURE" IS NOT GOING TO HELP THAT "RESIDENTIAL" LAWN MOWER ONE BIT. CERTAINLY NOT THE WAY YOU REALLY WANT IT "MAINTAINED" WHICH IS IN "RESALE VALUE". DUPONT OVERHAULS AND A LITTLE "MAINTENANCE" AND SUPPOSED "LOVE" DON'T FOOL LAWN EQUIPMENT "STEALERSHIPS" AND THEY DON'T TAKE "TRADES" WITH NO "MAINTENANCE RECORDS". IT ALSO TAKES 2 MINUTES TO GOOGLE EARTH YOUR HOME ADDRESS AND SEE JUST HOW "RESIDENTIAL" YOUR PROPERTY IS.

[@darwindropmazda]

Really appreciate your honesty! Anyone with a good common mechanical sense should notice those signs.

[@ethics3]

AVOID anything with a Tuff torq K 46 transaxle. Doesn't matter if it has the aluminum case. They are junk if your lawn has any sort of an incline or if you want to simply aerate with a plug type aerator . We are talking a little 36 inch aerator . Not some big thing . My D 170 John deer would come to a complete stop after only 10 minutes , the trans being overheated. Luckily after cooling off it functioned again. The lawn had only about a 5 % incline and I was even going back and forth to avoid climbing. The internet is full of horror stories about the K 46 . Never again Ps ; Yes the transaxel was completely clear of any grass clippings . It was completely bare and clean , so that's not the reason it over heated

[@philliphall5198]

I agree

[@ethics3]

@@philliphall5198 I guess the channel owner doesn't agree with me because I didn't get one of those little " heart" thingys from him. haha No matter. The K46 issues are VERY well known . The thing is , many many brands use this pile of junk transaxle. I bought 3 high output 12 v fans that I was going to install on my D170 to try to keep the K46 cooler but I decided to let the tractor go with a house I was selling instead

[@ahmedbandukda3439]

Thank u for your good feed back for all garden lovers.

[@markk3652]

I have a 2011 LA145 that I rescued from being abandoned. I put around 600 dollars worth of parts in it, and it is simply magnificent to use. 48 inch deck cuts everything it runs over. The v twin briggs runs like a swiss watch, I do love driving it.

[@user-tu7mf3cu7z]

I have a z 425 that I’ve had for 14 years and have only replaced one deck bearing and need to replace a wheel bearing on the dolly wheel. Still has the original belt on the deck, uses no oil and the deck is in great shape. Mine has outlasted any mower I’ve ever owned.

[@rightsideofthegrass8114]

A couple of observations: (1) The B & S 17.5hp engine is not unique to John Deere products. It is an engine widely used on many other tractors of that same price range - Craftsman, MTD, Troybuilt, etc. It is the same 500cc engine, with minor variations, such as electric start vs. rewind start. I have a 26 year old Exmark Viking, 36" w/b. It has mowed commercially for thousands of lawns. It has no hour meter, but probably has over 10K service hours. I wore out two Kohler Pro Command 15 engines. Four years ago (Fall 2018), I needed a replacement. Kohler no longer makes Pro Command 15. The only single cylinder engine available, fitting the bolt pattern and space envelope was the B & S 17.5hp engine. I knew it was a consumer grade engine, but I needed something to get me through my work season. I put on a 31R976-0016-G1, rewind start. It not only got me through the rest of 2018, but is now working in the 2023 season. I suspect it has well over 1,000 hours, far beyond expectations. It starts well and has good power. The only thing I have done is reseal the valve cover (no gasket, just sealant). I have maintained several Craftsman tractors with the same series of engines (the cheap Craftsman line, 42" decks). All have worked flawlessly, but the owners are only using them 30-35 hours per season. I have never heard of one engine having a problem with the compression release feature. (2) I would agree the JD consumer ZTR is not a very good mower. In the end, you only spoke of the front caster bushings as being a problem. "... the transmission is plastic, ... don't buy it..." Sorry, but this provides no reasoning. I have used Honda HRX217 hand mowers (high-end consumer) for more than 15 years, all plastic decks. These mowers have been outstanding in service, despite seeing commercial use - all with plastic decks. Calling the JD ZTR mowers "junk" without a reasoned argument is not meaningful for your viewers. People need to know "why" in order to make use of your assessment. As for the hydro drive belt coming off at 7 hours, a reasoned explanation why would make that part of your video useful. Just making the observation is not meaningful. The fact that it happened MUST have a reason - wrongly assembled, broken idler spring, misaligned idler, bad pulley, etc. Coming off the pulley does not happen without reason. I run a JD 717A, 13 years, over 5,000 hours and have had two hydro belts wear out, now starting to run on the third one. Over all those hours, I have had the hydro belt jump off the pulley twice - both times when running over a stick and getting the stick pushed up against the belt. The belt was off and the stick still firmly in place. This is no fault of the mower.

[@mikecoughlin4128]

@@michaelrichards2440 not negating any of your input but he did say lots of these parts are used by lots of brands in the first few minutes. He also did give a reason for not liking the plastic transmission was if it breaks it’s very expensive to replace, likely more than the value of the mower itself.

[@tonym6920]

I have a model 135 that’s 16 years old, runs great, no major repairs!

[@nathanchapin3836]

I bought a new 525E with the John Deere branded Briggs engine back in 2018 and it stopped starting with 7 hours on it . Local Deere Dealership first diagnosed the problem as a bad battery and replaced it under warranty second time it wouldn’t start they ended up replacing the entire wire harness. I Switched the front tires to no air solid because the factory tubeless never held air .

[@Scott-jf1nh]

I have the z365r 24 hp. I have had to replace belts. Broken parts and front tire problems and on and on. I have become a pretty good mechanic along the way. The engine has been very dependable with no problems at all. It was $3250 at HD in 2021. I have 2.5 acres to cut every week during the season. Still going. -If It gets a major problem I will dump it.

[@user-il2dt3et6f]

The broken camshaft issue is not just on John Deer mowers. This is a Briggs & Stratton engine issue. If you do replace the camshaft, make sure to use an OEM part. The cheap Chinese parts will not last and you will be tearing the engine down again possibly in the same season. As an alternative solution, a local repair shop advised me to look into a high torque starter which would eliminate the need to use the 'burping' camshaft design altogether. I think it was about $189 for that starter so a much more expensive option.

[@kevinwhitworth2527]

My craftsman suffered the same problem. I agree a Briggs problem.

[@patrickdzagulones1076]

I'm an eetc certified technician, I work for a national small engine repair company for many years. That plastic transmission was used by Husqvarna for several years, it had so many failures they ultimately quit using it. As far as the compression releases go, in my experience I noticed the ones that failed more often were the ones that lacked regular maintenance such as oil changes. The 31r Briggs engine was Notorious for those to fail regardless of maintenance

[@philliphall5198]

I agree on not changing oil and cam failure Even had a Honda GX 390 compression release stick and had to dis engine and free it up Change the dam oil people

[@patrickdzagulones1076]

@@philliphall5198 also, on the smaller engines like on lawn mowers and pressure washers the gcv160 and gcv190 with lack of Maintenance I found the exhaust valves would stick, sometimes breaking the rocker arm

[@Mike-su8si]

My craftsmen 18 hp ohv intek engine has that small problem but after buying it from the woman she had it over filled with oil the oil level was to the middle of the dipstick so i drained it down to the right amount and let it burn off whatever was left from being to full and then noticed i had to spin it clockwise a tiny bit it starts right up So the craftsmen 18 hp ohv intek has that problem what causes it though you think its from people not changing the oil I'd almost think it could get that way from people not adding any oil to it when its low on oil then that part on the camshaft heat up and warp then break it has to somehow because even old oil still lubricates the parts

[@garystrother7686]

I had good service out of my old John Deere, but the after 15 years it was worn out. I got talked into a zero turn mower, and got a z375r-54" cut. I was going through mower belts regularly, and I must not have been the only person, because I got put on a waiting list to get one. There was none, at the service centers, or Home Depot for eighty miles. They are very long, and very thin for such a long belt. It may have been where they were getting their belts from. I decided to try something, and added two chain links to the tension spring, and it solved my problem. I mow about 4 acres of hard ground, and I have gone three years, and not had to replace belts since.

[@88Blazehaze]

I have the John Deere z235 10 years 13 hundred hrs later and just finished cutting my grass yesterday. Butter

[@user-en6co7jl5w]

Nice. I’m looking to replace my front wheels. What size do you run. Thanks.

[@clararedmond7727]

appreciate the info...I have a 235z home edition since 2014 and has had no problems. I service it every 2 years because I'm the only one uses it. It has 140 hrs on it and never replaced battery. Hope it last another 8 years. thank you

[@billrook6165]

I have a 2022 Z345R. Only complaint I had was, the oil filter location. At best, it drains oil all over the frame floor when I take it off for service. I went to Briggs and bought a remote oil filter kit (part number: 594271) and relocated it to the rear, where it now drains between the frame floor and the rear bumper. Much, much better.

[@whatsthepork]

Got a Z525e and it’s excellent not junk! Cuts 5 acres of tough landscape grass no problem at all!!!!

[@melainewhite6409]

We got one of the JD riding lawn mowers from HD for residential use...what a piece of junk! Have the V2 and none of your issues but...had to replace the tires & wheels as they would not stay seated. Shreds the mower belt, on our 4th. Have had it serviced at JD and this hasn't eliminated the belt issues. Belt also likes to fall off and needs re-positioning. Mower discharge is always clogging and even with sharpened blades cuts poorly. Avoid!

[@lrvb7279]

I've had my Z235 for 8 years. A few years ago, the front caster wheel pivot bushings got a little loose. Replaced the fiber bushings with brass bushings and drilled and tapped for grease fittings. Still tight years later. Almost 400 hours and the upper pto clutch bearing started getting a little noisy. Removed the clutch, popped the sesl out and injected some grease into the bearing. Sounds good. Nothing wrong with these mowers.

[@robertsimon276]

I agree I had one for 9 years and one dry summer cutting around a tree the roots were more pronounced because of the dryness and my blades cracked into my deck! STAMPED DECKS ARE TRASH!

[@williamjohnson7414]

Thanks for your honesty!

[@LFauss]

I've had my Z355E for 5 years. I mow my 1.5 acres plus my daughters yard and have had zero problems. I thoroughly enjoy my JD.

[@stevendinapoli1239]

Yep, had a craftsman 3000 yard tractor,21 horse B+S platinum engine which had the same compression release problem. Now it did last me 10 years. I took meticulous care of this Tractor from preventative maintenance to keeping it clean, it looked new! Because of its age it wasn’t worth repairing. I was quoted somewhere in the area of 800$ with no guarantee it wouldn’t or couldn’t happen again!

[@Buddha-of8fk]

I bought a Z235 years ago at the John Deere dealership and other than normal spring time up keep it's been running great. My ZTURN does have grease fittings on the front casters and mower deck.

[@Zappy1210]

I've had a 335 E Z-turn for 5 years now. I cut 3 hilly acres with it every week during the summer. Only issues to date is I had to replace the drive belt once, took like 5 minutes to do. Been very happy with this machine honestly. And yeah MTD makes these.

[@harleythrelkeld7587]

i just feel personally if im getting mtd quality why not just buy a cub cadet and save the wallet and not buy the green and yellow markup

[@Zappy1210]

@@harleythrelkeld7587 When I bought mine the Cub Cadet version was actually $100 more. Looking now, 5 years later, the Cub Cadet version is $100 less.

[@harleythrelkeld7587]

@@Zappy1210 thats shocking honestly lol normally the cub, troy built or whatever else are a few hundred cheaper than the green counterpart

[@Zappy1210]

@@harleythrelkeld7587 They all run for about $3400 currently apples to apples.

[@harleythrelkeld7587]

@@Zappy1210 in ohio here a 54 inch cub is actually 3800 with a kohler engine and 4100 with a kawasaki deere is priced the same as the kohler but doesnt outright list engine manufacturer

[@Chief_5]

Awesome content. I have a JD LA125 it lasted 12 years before I had to replace the head gasket! After I changed it, running better than ever! 👍

[@knowledge5106_]

Looking into my first ever riding mower and watching a review about that exact one!

[@jasonsquires7677]

In Canada here, I have a LA125, I’m mowing an acre, I’ve had it for 17 years. I do the maintenance every spring, I blew the crankshaft before the warranty expired and John Deere replaced the briggs and straton motor. It’s been reliable for over 13 years now with regular maintenance. I changed the drive belt every 5 years and the deck belt every three, replaced deck bearings and some bushings. Easy maintenance and a reliable machine, I will be buying another one soon.

[@phillipmartin5760]

I cut my mowing time in half with my 355 so far the only issue I've encountered is running over a Bradford pear tree with those thorns as long as my finger.. I just put a tube in a it after plugging the tire.. Myself, I just use it for home use, whatever gets me to the golf course faster I'm all for it..😅

[@The-Fat-Kid]

An easy way to see if any outdoor equipment is junk just read the fine print on the label. If MTD appears anywhere it is junk--do not buy no mater what the big letters on the machine says. MTD makes for everybody and all the MTDs are junk.

[@stevedoherty1257]

I own a z335e and absolutely love it. I installed an optional foot controlled deck lift kit that bypasses the hand operated one and allows me to use my foot to raise the deck while avoiding scalping the lawn when encountering brief high ground. The engine is strong, the speed is exceptional and the entire unit has been an absolute joy to own and use. I am finishing my second season with it and would never consider getting rid of it.

[@silverstake88]

Wonderful. Sssssssuper. Today you love it - when it breaks (and breaks often) you will "reconsider."

[@davidaaaa4611]

@@silverstake88 I would not trade my John Deeres for any other brand. I

[@Evanx373]

I have a z355r and it has 70 hours on it no issues. I mow 5 yards with it and its held up well so far. The castor bearings on mine are metal. It definitly seems like a very fragile machine but im glad to hear that the engine is decent on it. I have to run it to mow yards in my side gig till i can afford something better but ill definitly keep in mind to be extra careful not to bend the deck. Its a 2018 model

[@ts5030]

ive had my M series zero turn JD for about 5 yrs mowing an acre,,,,FLAWLESS OUTSTANDING PERFORMANCE.............never an issue

[@jamesobergjr5032]

Thanks buddy! I'm in the market for commercial mowers but I didn't know about the plastic transmission.

[@scottleitch2957]

I have had that exact Z335E for over 5 years, mowing 1 to 2 acres every 2 weeks most of the year. Wet, dry, too tall, it just goes and goes. I do keep it clean and well maintained. I will admit the front caster bushings are junk, and the drive belt is hard as hell to replace.

[@ronaldrose3633]

I thought about getting one of these or maybe a larger zero turn, but now I think I'll stick with my 1986 JD 185. Been mowing 2 acres for the past 20 years with few problems, same engine, never been rebuilt, still uses no oil. Kawasaki 17 hp single cylinder, 46 inch deck.

[@hugoglenn9741]

In 86 the good mowers started with the 300 series. The 318 is in cult status, I have a 332

[@bneyens]

I have had a JD 335 for 7 years. My tires never leak air. My bushing are fine. The mower deck is the same 42” deck they put on all their residential mowers. I have never had an issue in 7 years with mine.

[@bigal25938]

Had an L100 riding mower for many years. After the warranty had run out I had to fill the tires with air about every time I mowed. Even bought new tires but didn’t fix it. The deck fell apart and had to quit using it. Will not buy another john deere. Looking at getting a Scag zero turn.

[@bmcdonald7303]

I’m glad you’re willing to tell us the good, the bad and the very ugly. You’ve saved me from buying something that will be difficult to work on. I’ll subscribe purely on that.

[@jaya.0069]

Wow! Perfect timing finding this video. I'm looking to replace my 2007 - 42 inch cut Cub Cadet ZT mower. You've got me now considering keeping it a bit longer and making minor repairs on it. Thanks for this video! (Just subscribed also)

[@Mechanical_Mind]

Your 2007 was probably built better. This new stuff is built so cheap

[@allanstriber5272]

Ya keep your cub cadet I had a John Deere every year has to replace something. Bought a cub cadet love it and half the price

[@nperson]

I had that single cylinder B & S engine on a tractor which ran great for 12 years. I have read that turning off the engine at full throttle may be the cause of the compression release failure. I always turned it off at idle speed. My neighborhood has many John Deere zero turn mowers in use. None of them have had any of the problems you mention.

[@RichardCWard]

Thank You for providing this information, my next door neighbor has a John Deer Riding Mower, he mowed lawns for income when he was a college student, he mows his neighbors (older folks) lawns (no cost) when he mows his own.

[@msclecarcrzy]

My neighbor just bought a z335 and he loves it. But it's brand new and I wish him luck! Thanks for the honest review

[@Mechanical_Mind]

🤣 keep us posted. If you like him tell him to grease those front bushings, never step on the deck and cut high and nice and slow.

[@gregkersey6106]

I have a 345R , LOVE IT. 3 years, no problems front tires hold air. Deck seems solid, pulled deck to rust proof it, belts went back on easily. Was told it came from a John Deere plant. Will keep an eye on front bushings, so far they seem good.

[@glickmpb]

I have the same mower I bought new about 3 or 4 years ago with the 21.5 HP engine. I haven't had one issue with it, so now I need to go check it out and see if it has those plastic bushings on the front wheels. ***UPDATE*** I just checked and it does :( However, I take care of my tractor and try to never cut in the rain. Not sure if that matters but I am sure I will have to replace them when they break :( Other than that it has been ok. I also put the engine guard on the back as well as the mulching door.

[@paulp1166]

I have a 345R also. The only thing I noticed on mine is that one side seems to go faster than the other with the handles all the way forward. Adjusting the steering handles with that stop bolt on top is useless. If anyone has any suggestions on that it would be greatly appreciated. Other than that I have had no issues with my mower.

[@Stervisi]

I've had a Z525 for a few years now on 1 acre. Went with the bigger model primarily for the bagger and side blower attachment. I bag around 30 bags per year and this thing handles it like a champ. I can do the heaviest part of the season at about 22 bags in 3 hours. The price has been worth it for that alone. It's a bit heavy as a mower and prone to adding ruts in the yard if you're not careful about changing mowing patterns in softer soil. I only have that issue in part of the yard, so I change it up with 3 patterns. I can mow my acre in about 30-40 minutes. The biggest gripe I have about the mower is that I can't buy tweels for the rear tires.

[@Sound_of_a_Raven]

All this amazes me. I have a John Deere D100 that I bought in 2011 and still going strong. I mow 1.5 acres and the only problem I've had out of it was the deck. That wasn't even the mowers fault. I had hit so many things with it that one of the supports broke off. Other than that the entire mower is still original (Excluding the obvious belt change, spark plug, fuel filter, etc.). Even the tires are original.

[@Dale37]

I have 365 hours on a z355e. They must not be too bad. I will say the drive belt and deck lift cables do suck to replace. 😅 I'm not complaining that they lasted so long, though. I retired it with a z530m this year. Hope it lasts without much fuss.

[@clintsinger6893]

having just retired after a great 40years plus doing this work i will say that you are right on the mark. the small single cylinder intek engines are prone to lots of troubles, just like the customers that walk into the shop with what we used to refer to a weedeater in a bag and want it repaired for 20 buck. all one has to do is look at the zero turn and it even looks like it would break if the wind hit it. anyway good information young fellow.

[@andrewchristiansen8311]

Thank you for being honest. This is why I run a 1991 Honda 3013 with a 38" deck lol. My 98 yardman yardbug aint bad either as a rear engine rider, but the 27.5 inch deck has no anti-scalping wheels. 9hp is weak, but sips the gas, does 5mph & is reliable. No transmission. Variable speed belt drive, 2 of the same drive belt,

[@Mechanical_Mind]

These newer products are not built as well as older models. So many people don't understand that.

[@brianw8963]

Of course there’s always exceptions , Our 335 is 7 years old, 245hrs, bought at Lowe’s when My wife worked there. It’s been flawless, not a single issue. Mainly use for trimming which takes about an hour, and I take exceptional care of it and don’t abuse it, which I believe is the predominant issue with these cheaper units. I also have the Ferris ISX 2200 which does the bulk of the mowing. GREAT machine.

[@TVJAB]

I have a z355e for over 6 years and I only had to change the deck belt once. Nothing else has ever happened to it. The machine is a beast and cuts great. It still has the original battery in it as well. I also have a larger zero turn ariens, but I prefer to use my z355e its just so much easier and less bulky than the ariens. Like many in the comments the tractor with the plastic transmission is garbage, but the zero turns are great and very reliable.

[@jamesstewart2560]

No the z355e is trash.

[@MemphisMojo15s]

​​@@jamesstewart2560ut, the OP said his has been great for 6 years..If an owner likes their equipment, and it hasn't been bad for them, why bash someone else's stuff? Seriously man.

[@jimkraft9445]

I have a 335E and my tires front and rear have not lost any air in 3 years. I have had no issues with it at all. I only have about an acre to mow, and so far am very happy with it. Time will tell.

[@kac1968]

Same here! Same mower. Have 41hours on it. Been very blessed no problems.

[@joneschaeffer4156]

I haven’t bought one yet but have been looking at all I saw on the John Deere I’ve heard that the metal is lighter duty And I have to thank you for your info thank you very much

[@HillBilly-1]

My neighbor just GAVE me a John Deere Z454 for free. And I love it! Been using a craftsman LT1000,LT2000 for 20 years and they are awesome but the Deere runs circles around them. Love the Briggs V Twin great power and reliability. Agree a trans made of plastic just RUN.

[@imilyhomestead7305]

I have a six year old Z335E that mows two acres of rough terrain…it has been a great mower under harsh conditions. NW Missouri.

[@Mechanical_Mind]

A six year old machine is built better than current models. I should have mentioned that in the video.

[@AwosAtis]

I guess I've been pretty lucky with my Z425. I've had it for 14 years with over 600 hours. I've changed the belts, both drive and blade and changed the crankcase gasket just last summer. Overall I find it a very DIY friendly mower. I started doing my own work on it after my very first maintenance at the dealer cost me over $300. I think I'll keep it until the government tells me I can't burn gasoline anymore.

[@Mechanical_Mind]

Mowers back then were built better

[@1red_nextview740]

14 years ago, it was probably made a lot better than they are now.

[@ChrisM-gv2st]

2009 Z425...replaced battery one time and belts. Awesome machine.

[@AwosAtis]

@@1red_nextview740 That's the common feeling. I just got back from Lowes and looked over the new models closely. I'd venture to say they are built as good, or better, today. I wouldn't hesitate to buy new but I plan to use my current 14 year old Z425 and my 15 year old LA145 until I can't mow anymore.

[@stuartbear922]

Quite often, it's the operator, NOT the machine. Some people should not operate machinery.

[@Heronva]

Thanks for the video. My 2005 L120 lawn tractor, after replacing the PTO, has been very reliable with regular annual maintenance on 3 acres. Very difficult to buy equipment these days with 30-day limited warranties.

[@marleythechameleonandherbi2724]

Mower looks new, it’s got a plastic transmission and it won’t start. But hey, it’s got shinny green paint! Unreal how people hypnotized by the paint.

[@Ladybank7755]

I am in New Zealand and I have had a Z355 E for three years and the only thing Ihave replaced is the deck belt. It is a great machine that mows over 2 acres of lawn weekly over the summer. Mows at great speed and leaves a great-looking result.

[@Mechanical_Mind]

Thats good. It seems moslty more recent / newer mowers are having issues. We are seeing spindles and idlers with less than 10 hours on them have bearings making noise and feeling rough.

[@michaelmactavish4445]

@@Mechanical_Mind kubota are best wich i been using kubota zds there been great powerful mower with no issues and kubota transmissions are soild steel

[@jameshill4900]

@@michaelmactavish4445 Good to know. I've had really good luck with my older Kubota T series lawn tractor very solid. Wasn't sure how the new ones were. I've heard the JD trans weren't the best overall but maybe that has changed.

[@gary4738]

I LOVE mine!

[@michaelmactavish4445]

@@jameshill4900 the kubota still useing solid steel transmission plus the old t series mowers transmissons are still avaliable even parts as well like all the older kubota models from 1986 they still make parts for it as well wich deeres allways discontinuted makeing there parts for older models wich why kubota allways keeps there great value on there product when time trade the kubota dealers gives great trade in value like my neighbour got $10,000 for a small older g2160 with mower,blade,blower with cab wich he got more for trade in then he thaught the deere dealer here was gonna give him $300 to $500 on the whole thing wich was kinda rip off

[@chadfield376]

Just came across your video in a random search; good honest review; big manufacturers like JD need to stop cheapening their products for a larger profit margin. People will pay more for a quality built USA made product. Also agree it’s stupid for JD to even think a plastic transmission would have any long term durability but then again like car makers, the engineers design flaws in certain key parts to break so the consumer is more swayed to just buy a whole new mower every 2yrs vs keeping a well built machine for 20.

[@michaelmactavish4445]

yeah kubota has the soild steel transmission on theres wich why kubotas are made solid strong beast mowers

[@ScottBlaine-ly3kx]

Have a Z525E bought 6 years ago and bought the 5 year extended warranty. Best $500 I ever spent. Has gone through 5 transmissions and one deck. If It dies now I'm taking the motor and installing it on another old mower!