4.0 Before CitizenCon?

[@JagHiroshi]

4.0, release notes: • Loaves of bread • Fresh air • A new ship to buy

[@matuto1986]

+Dynamic Noodles tech

[@fnunez]

Bread pushed out to 4.0.1

[@h3llofademon]

Sadly, dynamic Noodles will be delayed to q4 next year

[@TravelerMastermind]

@@matuto1986 no working Big Bennys Machine...literally unplayable.

[@vik12D]

"New ship" being a smaller or larger version of one that is already in-game. New B2 Spirit, MPUV Radar variant, and the long awaited Raptor multivector janitorial unit!

[@MrLeetfun]

"let me give you a few examples" "CIG have never made any date they ever set out, except for the dates they are going on breaks for around the verse and the companies christmas holidays"

[@RecklessFables]

Hey, they release sales on time!

[@schlagzahne6741]

​@@RecklessFablesmake 4.0 a new ship sale, perfect!

[@MrLeetfun]

@@RecklessFables 🤣😂🤣😂

[@yashik]

that's not true, they always are ready on time when it comes to selling ships... there was not a single year they failed to deliver a sale so I think they can manage time and dates so it comes down to what has higher priority releasing 4.0 or releasing new JPG for sale ... guess what has a 100% chance to be delivered on time :D :D :D

[@derek9063]

They always hit their release dates! Anyway, who else is loving their Banu Merchantman?

[@sorecgaming]

Regardless on how you feel (optimistic or pessimistic), the reality is both 3.24 (which is 3.23 with persistent hangar and cargo missions) and 4.0 (server meshing tech) can both be making progress in parallel in separate dev branches. Once 3.24 is ready, it may just be a matter of merging both branches together for the 4.0 release. So is it still reasonably possible to be released prior to CitCon? Yes it is. Whether you're confident in that is a matter of opinion which I'm sure the comment section will not be short of.

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

A very good point!

[@rolinthor]

I mean, sure, it’s always possible CIG will kinda sorta make a date they’ve targeted. Anything is possible.

[@rybuds47]

You new here?

[@AW-po7jr]

I hear that talking point since a very long time and it never turned out correct. Would be the first time, really.

[@mmmaxxx__]

We have NO IDEA if server meshing is or isn't insanely entangled with every entity spawning and de-spawning event, so even if they have persistent hangars and dynamic cargo elevators fully working, it could be ready in weeks or it could take months for it to work with server meshing. We have zero insight into how ready 99% of the code is in relation to plugging into server meshing

[@AdrianAyala]

Before CitizenCon 2029

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Let's hope!

[@arenomusic]

Optimistic

[@SniPantsu]

remember how they said they were this close to wrap up cargo refactor to ship it in 3.23

[@jonneymendoza]

Remember when they delivered PES and it worked?

[@SniPantsu]

@@jonneymendoza nobody cares about PES, I dont give a flying fuck if the empty bottle stay there for a month at the detriment of having 2 fps servers

[@strife1431]

​​@@SniPantsu I care.

[@AW-po7jr]

@@jonneymendozathey delivered it delayed, of course.

[@TheFatBeardedGamer]

never not in a million years

[@feariex]

Never, not in a million years, and everybody agrees it won’t happen, they told me, hey Don, that’s not happening and everybody knows it, it would be amazing if they got that far though, I’m telling you it would be amazing, and everybody agrees.

[@ImreBertalan86]

I'll bet it will be

[@ricksanchez1079]

Pin this

[@emessar]

*starts million year timer*

[@csdigitaldesign]

You will be wrong

[@chieffalley4955]

They cant even fix 3.24 yet and bro thinks its going to be released before citizencon💀

[@schlagzahne6741]

I mean I guess the elevator and personal hangar/ cargo stuff thing technically doesn't directly interfere with server mesh

[@thomasfletcher1916]

You mean 3.23. Considering what was suppose to be 3.23 hasn't gone up live yet, I find it hard to believe they can get the bugs out of that and then the bugs out of 4.0 before then.

[@thumpertron]

I read your comment, saw the skull emoji and my brain automatically deleted what you said.

[@CrashDanger]

I agree we'll see it before Citcon. 3.24 Delays doesn't mean 4.0 isn't being worked on. 3.24 Delays DO mean we haven't SEEN the progress being done on 4.0 and server meshing.

[@dtrjones]

I would say these are completely different activites so you can't associate the two. Server meshing and enabling technologies to support server meshing are key because 3.24 will obviously release well before Citizencon.

[@GnomeKr]

I cannot be the only one who saw the title and thumbnail and didn't instantly laughed hard asf

[@romain13100]

My personal analysis is that CIG will let you believe in a possible release of 4.0 by the end of the year (until the IAE, the next big ship sale). Currently they must be very busy preparing for the CitizenCon demos

[@terry7342]

@@romain13100 Imagine traveling the galaxy with your friends in this brand new .

[@RN1441]

Pretty much this is how it goes. They'll hype us up through the sale of some new concept ship that goes at the back of the 20 year backlog plus a flyable now ship that power creeps the heck out of something previously sold, make it look like 'pyro next year' version 6 is just around the corner along with a functional live service or SQ42, and then break for Christmas. Early in the new year we'll get some dog ate my homework excuse and there will be a weak patch before the hype cycle starts over for the big sale in May.

[@RN1441]

@@terry7342 'Imagine we had spent the past 12 years dilligently working to build a solid foundation rather than most of the effort going in to mocked up sales material'

[@romain13100]

@@RN1441 And maybe we will be told to “be less noisy” as was the case two or three years ago

[@yashik]

we need to hold them RESPONSIBLE for showing FAKE DEMO and making sure they call it technical-presentation if it's not a real-ingame-feature because i'm fed up with all those fake videos they put out pretending as it was something done in game... they can show fake pretty animation and demos just make sure it clearly states it's a vision and not something what is implemented in game because most people from those demos think those are breaktrough achievment and game developements has moved forward meanwhile all they see is faked prescripted video

[@Rgraceful1]

I just want Server meshing to work well and integrate into all existing systems . If they get it in by the end of the year and it's playable and not too many bugs it will be a major win .

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Yep, I agree with that!

[@AsscracksOfdawn]

If thats the case, I'll hop back on SC. Until then, I'll stay up with the news. SC isn't getting my money or my time until they make the game at least playable. Can't lie though, I'm dying to jump in and use my reclaimer. I miss that beast.

[@csdigitaldesign]

I mean it had already been tested and it was working. It had it's issues but everything has it's bugs. That's why they keep having play tests. They will get it worked out.

[@aguy446]

All I want out of this company is dynamic server meshing. Games will never be the same

[@csdigitaldesign]

@aguy446 you know server meshing isn't new right? This tech has been used before. Just not exactly how they are doing it.

[@QuotidianStupidity]

I admire your optimism - I too think it is definitely their intent to have it done by Citcon... but it's been their intent to hit loads of milestones. They only way they hit them is when they are making something that can be sold i.e ships.

[@spinbot9884]

I've been waiting for the Genesis Starliner for almost a decade now. They'll think of ten new ships in the next month and delay everything else to sell them 😂

[@Lars52528]

*paramedic busts into my room and seeing me convulsing on the floor with this video playing in the background* "oh god another copium overdose! Get him into EVE online and 100Plex stat"

[@JFrombaugh]

If they really do get 4.0 out before CitizenCon, it’ll only be because they had internal pressures to release it to look good, and it’ll be another 3.18 situation where the game is barely playable for months. But I guess we’ll find out more soon enough, next Roadmap Roundup is tomorrow.

[@JoelBondoux]

You've clearly described my thinking over the past few months. CIG want 4.0 to be behind them by the time CitCon hits. They want (by some counts) 5 systems to be ready for 1.0 and I also think in general these are also waiting in the wings. Of course all systems will continue to have major revamps on locations and content. But if 1.0 is going to be released within 30 months all that content needs to be close to PTU ready. I also happen to think that instancing has been a real pain in the butt for the dev team - what with 3.24 being three odd months late. This has been pushing meshing down the road. I would expect meshing tests to go full speed into Evo as soon as 3.24 hits live - which by today's PTU test feels like it'll be very soon.

[@M0T4]

Agree Because the 4.0 with SM v1 it's not a completely SM we all expect, it's a static SM with some auth as Tech-preview

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Yeah in theory just 2 servers connected together would count as a success for the first release.

[@QuotidianStupidity]

They have said many times it will be static, so you shouldn't expect anything else. It will be as per the tests they conducted.

[@Cpt_Kakashi]

Ofc bruh! They will rename 3.23 to 4.0! A once game with possibilities, now the greatest lolcow in gaming world!

[@Hippida]

The only thing I will agree on, CIG has plenty of content ready to go, including several systems and prob a few ships too. Not sure CitCon will have a lot of Sq42 content, unless it's it's ready to be put into PU. In general, it's not clever to show to much of Sq42 before release, just enough to have us wanting more...

[@GW2Vids1]

Fuck Pyro, I want a polish pass before that, I want elevators to work, ship calls, missions, flight model etc.

[@lukeperman7964]

That won’t happen until 1.0 at least

[@tripperdan]

to quote danny.whatever about how much in a rough state the Core Tech is that "a variety of factors that are particularly concerning and warrant closer attention" and these are yet to be resolved. Making the push to 4.0 an uphill battle for CIG if they hope to hold to that release date.

[@beardedbarnstormer9577]

It's really clear alot of gamers have no idea how software development works. Case in point. The team working on the features in 3.24 is totally different then all the other teams working on 4.0 features. Additionally the 3.24 team is working on the last major tech integration hurdle. Everything else in 4.0 is just existing tech expanded or core engine stuff being released

[@s1rmunchalot]

They won't 'focus on 1.0' at CitizenCon. They are in early planning for 1.0 and it will be a few years before we get to a release candidate for 1.0. CitizenCon this year is about Squadron 42.

[@Gueleric]

I agree with all of your points that CIG PLANS to release 4.0 before citizencon. However, throughout the countless delays we've endured, they never struck me as being because CIG didn't want to make a certain date, but because of overly optimistic / unrealistic planning and deadlines. I fear this will be the case once again, no matter how much they want to.

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Yep, that might be the most sensible way to put it!

[@capnsquirrel4017]

I've been here and heard so much from CIG for so long, I am strictly in the "I'll believe it when I see it". I honestly don't believe about 90% of that they say at this point. Great Vid by the way.

[@dtrjones]

It was very obvious from Jarads closing comments on ISC that they intend to release 4.0 around Citizencon this year. There is a slim possibility it could be on the tech preview for everybody, sorry that's the best I can do LOL!

[@SapereAude1490]

The production quality of your videos has improved. Great work!

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Much appreciated!

[@cylus_sector9]

Jared; " ...the next few months, not the end of the year." me; "but it's mid-august, end of the year is just a few months away..."

[@SpaceMike3]

More like Q2 2025. They set optimistic/aggressive goals and they've said that but this feels rediculous. Remember "Chris Roberts time"? It means add six months

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

I would agree- it just seems so odd that Jared seems so confident!

[@leoncantwelliii7946]

Chris Roberts time isn't just add six months. In the case of pyro it's been add 3+ years

[@arenomusic]

This feels more like add six quarters, though

[@arenomusic]

​@@tenpoundfortytwoThis was also the weirdest part for me, what does he know???

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

@@arenomusic it's was a strange look he gave, I guess we'll find out relatively soon!

[@Daggre]

All we need for the 4.0 release is a single server for Stanton, a single server for Pyro, and a working jump gate between them. I do think it needs to go LIVE, but I don't think we need missions that span across systems, or even chat to span across systems. We don't need multiple servers per system at launch, we don't need the new mission system, transit system, fire, fauna, life support, MFD rework, the Zeus, multitool updates, charge/drain, all of that could wait until 4.x. For 3.24, I wish they would just punt on Blockade Runner too. If it's not tested by now, it's just holding up the release, and while it looks fun, it could come in any release and it would still be fun.

[@crispy9175]

Based takes as always. Optimistic/hopeful and still grounded.

[@vulcan4d]

4.0 may need to be released ahead so they have the community identify bugs. Then again we keep hearing about Pyro since 2019.

[@Taladays37]

I think they want and hope to get 4.0 out before Citizen Con because as you said they don't want to do 4.0 reveals again for another Citizen con. It would also be kind weird to talk about things beyond 4.0 at Citizen con if 4.0 wasn't even out to begin with. Just whether or not they can do it still henges on server meshing though.

[@behelith]

Hours later after the release of your video, CiG announced the following additions to the 4.0 release in the Roadmap Roundup of July 24 : RSI Zeus MkII CL, Acidic Caves, Rock Caves, Asteroid Bases, Space Stations - Contested Zones I'll wear my "I told you so" T-Shirt ;-)

[@josephhighfill4371]

All of the changes to cargo may not be for the 3.24 build ɓut may have some work needed for connecting with the changes for 4.0 . It would not make sense to not prepare the new cargo and inventory system so close to 4.0 deployment.

[@angepano8591]

4.0 is a meme by end of September. Calling it now. 3.25 here we come. Where we are now is where we needed to be 4+ months ago to have a chance. As it is, the BEST they can do (according to their own roadmap Release View) with the 12 month promise is about 34 out of the 50+ features promised.

[@falcon758]

Dammit, you actually got me excited for a potential release before CitCon. Still, I will be shocked if 4.0 comes out by the end of this year. But man, you have created some hope in me. Main reason I would say it wont be out is that they cant even get 3.24 done, which "should" be easier than a major architecture overhall like server meshing

[@rolinthor]

If they release prior to Citcon, gonna be a loading screen or drop down menu to select Pyro on Jump, or some such. Take a dump in a box and slap a 4.0 label on it.

[@mabutoo]

4.0 is a milestone. Once that hurdle is accomplished a potential floodgate of features could come quickly afterwards. When they will make that hurdle is the unanswerable question. Given CIG's struggle with server meshing, it should probably be isolated and released on its own. Then studied for a few weeks before adding anything else to the game. That would be my approach.

[@fnunez]

My own expectation is that Citizencon will be, as you say, mostly about Squadron 42. But 4.0 will come after it, not before. Probably Q1 25. The cargo and inventory refactor is taking longer than expected, and will probably need a couple of patches to fully stabilize. People aren't going to care about Pyro if their hangars don't work, so CIG will probably focus on getting that working first.

[@SaiyanJin85]

Meanwhile No Man's Sky got overhauled into a better game like it was nothing ....

[@drksideofthewal]

How is 8 years of incremental updates nothing?

[@SaiyanJin85]

@@drksideofthewal In the latest 5.0 update they manage to bring parts of the technology they'll use in their new game back to NMS, being a developer myself I know how difficult it can be, but they did it in a matter of less than a year. Meanwhile SC struggles with a mere elevation mechanic...

[@thumpertron]

Yeah and it still looks like ass, the trailer they showed looks way better than what it actually looks like in-game. Not to mention that NMS is basically a single player game with nowhere near the same massive scope and scale of SC.

[@drksideofthewal]

@@SaiyanJin85 Which "elevation mechanic" are you referring to? If you're talking about the cargo elevators, it's my understanding that the instanced hangars and vehicle/item retrieval involves a lot more than just making a platform go up and down. I also think SC's PES and the server meshing that has been demonstrated on test servers is frankly more impressive than anything No Man's Sky has done, as an end user. Maybe you have a different perspective on it.

[@dhwajgoyal]

@@drksideofthewalI’m sorry to break your bubble but you are completely wrong.

[@Blkstang82]

"Turn off the logical part of your brain" and "trust in the words of cig" is basically the foundation for sc's entire funding model lol

[@SvalbardSleeperDistrict]

I think the key word in Jared's comments was "something". Seems like it's not the full 4.0 as it appears on the roadmap, but some element(s) of it.

[@nathanforrester5140]

I do think that we will get most stuff with 4.0 that was promised but there will be things that take longer than planed and come in sub patches. If they can get server meshing in game and working with the jump gates then all the content that has been dammed up behind it will start flooding into the game over the next year. I would guess Nix will be in before the end of next year perhaps even a 3ed system. They have worked on some systems for Sq42 those could all be added. The game is finally coming together. We are almost over these tech hurdles. Once those are cleared It will be much easier for them to set time frames and stick with them.

[@sirnukealot84]

if i would take a guess 4.0 goes live a few weeks before citizencon or an hour before citizencon. But i would be happy if they suprised us with a august-september release. With squadron being feature complete im sure a demo of squadron on citizencon would make alot of og backers happy even if some of the promised features for 4.0 would be delayed slightly.

[@XxXnonameAsDXxX]

Okay CIG could cut anything but it would be a huge disappointment, since they said(lied) last CitCon that everything will show up next year. So currently 4.0 would need the following at least in my opinion: cargo - still in development for at least a month(maybe released in the summer) grieving side still not resolved with 0 plans for resolutions pyro - not tested at all, only a fraction, the polish phase is usually long in such a large space vulkan - ok this can be automated, the current beta is good, fire - no news resource network / engineering - still in beta, ships being worked on ui remake - no news mastermodes - still in massive tuning/balancing and uh meshing... Considering that in the summer a lot of people go away sometimes for more than a month, I can't such rapid progress like earlier this year. I'm hopeful for an early release but 4.0 been in the talks since 2022 and meshing was "said" to be released in around the end of 2023. Will we see meshing in 2024? Or they will just spin up some servers for pyro if its not stable enough? Guess we will see.

[@vamperic]

Fire - Already confirmed for 4.0 Ui remake - we just saw the new UI's in the latest ISC

[@QuotidianStupidity]

Yeh UI's look done tbh

[@vamperic]

@@QuotidianStupidity Cept I hate that the drake one was brownish orange..Drake is GREEN goddammit!

[@QuotidianStupidity]

@@vamperic aren’t they all green at the moment?

[@vamperic]

@@QuotidianStupidity Nope, argo are orange, anvil do have some green elements but also blue, rsi origin and aegis are all light blue while drake has bright green

[@misapheonix]

I actually predicted that we'd get SQ42 release at citcon, to tie us over for 4.0 at year's end lol Now? I doubt we gettin' either!!

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Interesting! I don't think they would stealth drop Squadron 42, pretty sure they are going to go big on the marketing campaign. But who knows!

[@yous2244]

SQ42 is impossible this year, it will be 3 or 5 years

[@RN1441]

@@yous2244 Most we would get would be a release date for SQ42 to start the marketing campaign. Even then though, that would be like the fourth beta or release date for SQ42 and CIG has a so far 100% track record of missing those.

[@QuotidianStupidity]

No sane person thought SQ42 would be this year... CIG have given no indication that would the case as the game is still quite obviously being polished (if you read their updates). the logical thing would be a preview at Cit Con ahead of release in 2025.

[@misapheonix]

@@yous2244 who the heck takes that long to "polish" a game xDD

[@TheCoreGameplay]

I'm hoping to be surprised

[@xMajorZachx]

I don't count a patch as 'released' until it hits the LIVE servers, because then it is available to everyone, and not just PTU testing groups such as Evocati, subscribers, or Waves 1/2/3/4/5. That being said, I'm thinking they might get 4.0 to the PTU by the time citizencon comes, in its more-than-likely unstable state.

[@malismo]

Server meshing is in the tech preview only available to evo. That feature still needs to be integrated in a PTU build which has to go through all the waves and then PU, not going to happen before CitizenCon

[@darkspiral7691]

'Have I been burnt so many times I don't think it'll ever come out' ? Hmmm... At this point I really couldn't care less. It'll come out when CIG is good and ready me thinks. Probably when CIG feels that there's not sufficient cashflow coming in from ships sales. Then they'll release so they can capitalise on selling all of those hab's and furnishings to fill out your hangars and bases ROFL

[@1aatlas]

Releasing it to ptu was exactly what they did last year for citcon alongside a playtest for attendees and since then us mere mortal non avocado's still haven't seen it for real. A playtest for paying attendees and a PTU Tech preview for the other paying subscribers again isnt going to cut it for me this year. I demand satisfaction.

[@reamoinmcdonachadh9519]

I can't in good conscience say I agree with TP42 on this one. 3.24 is STILL in Evo Hell, has still to go through the Waves to Live, and I suspect (as many other people do) that a 3.24.1 will swiftly follow. and then the focus will shift to the intermediate Jump Point Patch which has been receiving it's own attention and this no doubt will ALSO have it's own .1 Point Patch. THEN things will shift to Cit Con and the following 4.0 and the accompanying Pyro System Expansion. I do agree that certain 'features' might either disappear, or get delayed to a follow on point patch or even (depending on their relative importance) a 4.0.a sub point patch. Since when have CIG ever done things WITHOUT tying it up in KNOTS before (eventually) sorting it out somewhat. I would venture it's the "somewhat" aspect that drives most people nuts!! Respectfully Your, R.

[@JoelBondoux]

One thing I would say about today's Evo PTU is chat was full of players exclaiming along the lines of "something's wrong - everything is working!". I happen to think the remaining bugs are not going to stop it hitting waves in the next build followed by a rapid test phase to release into Live. We'll be testing meshing/rep layer tech in no time.

[@VonSpud]

I'll be happy to see 3.24 LIVE. Hope the 4.0 hype is going to become a reality before end of year.

[@echo5827]

Yeah if CIG was good at timelines, 4.0 drop end of September then citcon s42 release date and 1.0 reveals couple weeks later Ptu maybe, a live push in 10 weeks sounds unbelievably unlikely. How long has 3.24 been in PTU lmao 8 weeks?

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Its pretty crazy how slow the progress has been on 3.24!

[@LucidStrike]

For sure. Folks aren't processing that the fact that all CIG NEEDS to get into 4.0 are Pyro (already ready), Server Meshing (already functional), and the mission and transit reworks necessary for bringing the meshed experience into parity with the 3.23 experience. Everything else can be shed to hit that launch window. Mark my words, 4.0 will be at least in PTU by CitCon.

[@QuotidianStupidity]

Maybe 3.24 will just become 4.0 - that is the only way I see this happening

[@LucidStrike]

@@QuotidianStupidity CitCon is 3 MONTHS away, not 3 weeks. Relax about 3.24. 😂

[@QuotidianStupidity]

@@LucidStrike how long has 3.23 been with Evo?

[@fixvble1237]

It depends what they mean by 4.0 release, because if they mean it would go to evo/wave 1 , yeah it might be somewhat possible, but i don't count that as release. The people who have access to those stages are probably less than 1% of the player base. And since they most probably won't just drop 4.0 to the live servers without ptu/eptu runtime, then that's probably what they mean by 4.0 release, because currently we still have 3.24 in evo, not even wave 1 , and there's no wat that 4.0 will be in ptu for less than 2 months, i reckon it will be in ptu for a long time, longer than 3.18 even. So an actual 4.0 release wouldn't happen anytime soon, nevermind a playable state... I think next summer we'll have a somewhat stable 4.x

[@mellodrame69]

Good video mate. Your a natural. My money is 4.0, broken on the PTU with a reduced set of features by citizen con.

[@Sascha-wj9qz]

I would be sooo thankful just for fixing the existing bugs and Ui problems and making the game stable.

[@StarshipCaptainNemo]

"Skywalker and Gimli" that made an insta sub. made my day buddy.

[@RecklessFables]

The reality distortion field is amazing with this company. Even I thought that maybe there was some stuff going on in Pyro right now. What was all that stuff they showed us like last year? Didn't some KZbinrs get to fly around Pyro already?

[@Spaze2503]

my prediction is that 4.0 is either going into at least evo ptu during citizencon or live during or shortly after (1 to 2 days)

[@emessar]

I think they're planning on trying to get it out before then, but they don't *know* it will happen. Whether they do or not, I think a lot of this year is going to be focused on Squadron 42. If 4.0 makes it even into PTU, they'll have that to add to their laurels for the year, but if not, they'll hype S42 and bring out some stars to distract from the delay.

[@alexanderdooley5833]

maybe they will listen and not touch event BS, drop 24 to live without anything else and jump to 4.0 evo immediately

[@AW-po7jr]

If they basically remove the Q3 (End of September) target and replace it with „in a couple of months“ it’s clearly not Octobre.

[@UNBE4R4BLE]

I want to be optimistic, so i judge by the smallest, that reflects the largest. 4.0 will be like the Carrack in 3.24

[@Todestelzer]

When they said 4.0 Q3 I was thinking it would be nice if it comes before end of this year.

[@okharleys]

Since when did a 'release' mean working? CIG has dropped broken releases to Live PU many times. So yea they might 'release' 4.0 for CitCon

[@Tainted-Soul]

I think that as thew testing when well ( so they say ) they didnt have any problems . they think its going to be a smooth ride PMSL. They showed off a lot last year but they have not delivered it yet. Im not going to be OH WOW that looks great any more until I see it in the PU

[@CosmicD]

my short answer, no, at least not on life. I wet-finger-predict that they'll announce the 4.0 PTU to open for some more waves, depending on how long it'll have to stay in evocati, or maybe they'll open the tech preview for a few days and plan it for the end of the year.

[@throdwobblermangrove6200]

I had this video on my "watch later list". Now, 2 months later, its looking really good with servermeshing :)

[@TheMediaMakerYT]

They are basically doing most of 4.0 as 3.24 When 3.24 comes out there won't be much big stuff left to do for 4.0.

[@TheElcentralen]

If 4.0 goes live this year, it will be in a terrible state on Evo. I would be happy if we get an actually fixed cargo system. Besides being broken, it also needs a bit of work like ships "carrak" or spawn boxes with stuff in it. The boxes you get your stuff out need to be reworked. A lot of shit is needed before we can start thinking about 4.0.

[@arenomusic]

Why do they do this every single quarter? Haven't been following at all since I went to citizencon last year just so I can truly be shocked by the progress (or lack thereof) when I go to this year's citizencon. I don't think it's possible to release 4.0 before October. It's almost August and we still don't even have -3.23.1b- 3.24

[@AcheliusDecimus]

I am not holding my breath, but I do believe it will release around CitizenCon. Before or After does not really matter to me. I mainly want SQ42 released.

[@captainf3ared802]

With the HUGE delay in the current 3.24 patch. I would be willing to bet an lti ship that 4.0 comes out after citcon

[@K3vyB]

Yeah nah if 3.24 doesn't go PTU this week that ain't happening - and if it does then in such a badly broken state it'll be a meme.

[@gnaruto7769]

4.0 COULD be out before CitCon. Cargo Hangars are pretty much a fuck up by a few teams, the rest of the teams are very much working on 4.0 stuff

[@johnfranklin2547]

You are correct, sir that is absolutely ridiculous. not a chance CIG will deliver 4.0 this year

[@bitrunner2000]

Pyro will be 4.0, Citizencon will be Nyx and maybe another system previewed...once the jumpgates are up and running, and server meshing turned on, they can start to drop systems like crazy - i bet we have 5 systems by the time SQ42 releases...

[@Nobody-uu6ki]

i pray to god you right that would be amazing

[@Macskinny76]

Many of the things we've seen in the past few years have been done, CIG doesn't want to put everything out to us and have no hype for later.

[@qutatron]

I believe him (If CitizenCon would be delayed by 6 or 12 months).

[@nathanforrester5140]

100% agree with this. great video.

[@csdigitaldesign]

So I can't understand why some people are so adamant about 4.0 never coming out this year. Here's the thing, server meshing was already tested and it was working. Yes they are still working out issues but for the most part it was totally working. Pyro? Like he said in the video, pyro is done. We've already played in it in fact. Jump points? Almost done. So what's the issue then? How could you possibly think they will not make this? Oh because they said this before and stuff didn't come out? I would say fair point except for the points I just made. It's already shown to be working. That's what's different here. That's why I believe it this time. Could the fire system and engineering slip? Sure I would not be surprised. They do not need those to release 4.0.

[@makimera]

4.0 might be on PTU at or around citizencon in my opinon, but i doubt it will be live. unless they release a really scaled down version of 4.0 and really messy release. Specialy seeing how long 3.24 is going right now. So im with you, i don't belive it until its actully here.

[@amineabdz]

I mean if 4.0 is not the Pyro and SM update, and it's just some tweaks to Mastermodes and a new ship, yeah I believe it.

[@F1neW1ne]

Man I don't know. All this was supposed to be out long ago. At least the community thought so. I mean... 4 years ago when I got in for the first time, many of my backer buds were adament that we were on the verge of seeing a smoothly functioning Pyro, personal hangars and SQ42. None of which are really here yet. Likely in months and patches for months. Then maybe "playable" but still waiting for SQ42. This is silly to be honest.

[@miqlas52]

I think you are too optimistic, but be right!

[@thesilver3794]

If anything its static server mesh and integrating existing system in a evo or ptu end of year. (Only count live as released) And tbh shouldnt 4.0 just be the mesh & existing system simply not to overload the patch with bugs

[@rolanders7553]

I’m still figuring he’ll has a better chance of freezing over than 4.0 in pu before citcon I’m not currently sure we will have 3.24 before that in pu

[@pilksuk]

I really hope that with most of the scripting being client in Squadrons AI will actually work lol not worry about desync or server tickrates effecting things lol

[@andrewkok3467]

Yes 4.0 will launch at Citizencon to align wth new ships for sale that are aimed at PYRO's addition to the ALPHA. The marketing team said it must happen. Who cares if 4.0 is unplayable if they get good quarterly sales.

[@jerlarco2330]

I think it will be tough for cig to over-hype the commu like last year if they fail to deliver most of what they promise for 2024 and the confidence they show for speeding up the developement with the move from sq42 dev team to pu team will be difficult to equal... Why can't they just tell us : "Sorry the fusion of team is not as effective as we wanted and some tech are more complexe to bring in pu that we think"... We know making game is not easy and missing deadline are common but i suppose they prefer liying and showing confidence for the sake of the website shop

[@Sparky_007]

They WANT to make sure it's ready for Citizencon, and they're planning on showing it LIVE and Playable DURING Citizencon. KEEP IN MIND, we've already been shown the Jump tunnel a few years back already. It's just changed visually (basically).

[@wdipuccio]

This is why I come here. I need hopium after religiously watching SaltEMike shit on everything CIG and Jared says (fr all love to Mike)

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

All love to Mike! Good to get a balance of salt and hope!

[@Bronwyn031]

"Cloud Imperium Games" and the word "Targeting" in the same sentence should be your obvious clue. I cannot think of any game feature that has ever arrived on time and worked in the history of Star Citizen.

[@chawkes70]

It will be a miracle if 4.0 is out before Q1 2025. CIG have never met a date other than a ship sale. If we do see 4.0 it will be a seriously cut back version and probabl;y wont have pyro. I mean they cant get 3.24 out the door and it was "very close to ready with 3.23" which we now know was a patently false claim. As for SQ42 it is years away judging by the monthly reports.

[@Pernicuz]

Whatever you think then take that × 3 and you are pretty close. Its my experience from this game.

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Can't really disagree with that!

[@chrisajokinen]

Maybe they will include Nyx with Pyro?

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

I think that is pretty unlikely- but if server meshing works pretty seamlessly (unlikely I know!), I could see Nyx being added in an early 4.x patch.

[@chrisajokinen]

@@tenpoundfortytwo I am using the idea use stated about CIG being quiet about big reveals. It has been a long time since they talked about Nyx, which was already being worked on. The system itself should be rather simple with I think 3 groups and one being Levski, one a pirate group and the other was a bit of a family cult. The system did not have a lot of planets and few resources or stations. Work wise not a lot to Nyx. On the meshing side of things, it might just be Pyro not because Nyx is not ready, but they want to focus on stabilizing the tech first and moving forward to dynamic server meshing.

[@TheXasTube]

To me it feels that something went HORRIBLY wrong with the cargo system. HORRIBLY as in the scale that gets people in management positions fired or are caused by natural disasters. Think about it.... by the time it was planned to be released the did not even have a testable version of the most basic functions. They did not even have such OBVIOUS features like a search function DESIGNED. It makes no sense to do such a delay intentionally, raise interest/controversy and intentional lie about any chance to be finished. So something unplanned must have happened. This cargo system delay created the 3.24 version and was initially hoped/planned not to change 4.0 schedule but I really doubt that vision will be reality. If you discount august for holiday season you basically have zero time left for merging and integration of the delayed 3.24 features into the 4.0 branch before you have to start with integration testing and PTU and whatnot. And then there is the real posibility that you took off time from people that would be needed for the 4.0 features or core tech to support on fixing the 3.24 catastrophy. Even if a company is doing all they can to compartmentalise, the reality for senior developers is that the most productive ones always get roped into saving the worst dumpster fires.

[@1scrub2]

Time will tell. It is definitely time to cover up massive advances for a CC reveal. What arent they talking about, but should be? Thats what we"ll see then.