4 Brooks B-17 Saddle Alternatives

[@emilolguin3087]

This is a post to make you giggle. From 1967 to 1972 I rode a nice Austrian-made 10-speed (we didn't call them road bikes then) with a saddle much like the Brooks saddle. It wasn't easy to locate new saddles in those days, so I continued to use what I had. Around 1971 the leather started to wear down along the middle and the tanning of natural leather would leave a dark brown streak down my behind. As you can imagine, I had to be careful not to wear light-colored shorts or pants on long rides! Cheers :) Thanks for the saddle tips.

[@matthewsmith6486]

I"ve been cycling 35 years and have tried many, many saddles. I always go back to Brooks.

[@Ceebee-b4g]

I ride since 1983 and Brooks neuer fit well

[@matthewsmith6486]

@@Ceebee-b4g Sorry, every butt is different I guess.

[@jbwillson]

The B17 is functionally not as wide as it appears. My sit bones are 140mm wide, and I kept trying various Brooks saddles wondering why they never seemed to break in. Finally I measured the actual distance between the horns of the cantle over which the leather is stretched: 125 mm. That means that if your sit bones are wider than about 120mm, you’re sitting on the metal frame of the saddle (which will never break in). The Rivet and Selle Anatomica saddles are about the same width. After years of searching, I finally settled (literally and figuratively) on the 160mm wide Ergon SMC. Night and day difference for this wide body.

[@charlied1675]

I bought a Charge Spoon based on this video. Was looking for something that stayed comfortable past the 80-100 km mark. Tried Selle Italia Max Gel, Novus, a Serfas Vistoso, among others, but the 80 km barrier was still in play. Took the Charge Spoon out for a 133 km ride the other day and it worked really well for me. Felt like I'd ridden half that distance. Time will tell, but a really good start.

[@adamprice9942]

I would be interested in a 2019 version of this video!

[@infinity345]

Adam Price Seconded! Update us on the saddles you’ve both used since this video.

[@charlyaurelia1801]

I would like this too, please.

[@mrjack8849]

Yes, just thinking of this.

[@jeffwashburn36]

Add me to that list

[@mrmcallum]

Same here ...

[@walterkersting1362]

I value a brooks for the way it looks. Bicycles are a mix of beauty and functionality, and stories of old brooks appeal. For my mtbs wtb speed v, no big drama if it gets scuffed, comedy enough, looks cool. Thanks for the video.

[@kayakerdye]

Have a fat tire bike and recently installed a “Terry” Street saddle. Soooo. comfortable. Just completed a 53 mile ride (mainly paved) to Kangaroo Lake in No Ca. (Great fishing). No discomfort or me movIng all over seat. Great info as usual.

[@pablozavala3607]

I have some Brooks B17, Cambium C17 and Charge Spoon saddles on my bikes. I'm a 90kg guy (not fat, just "big"), but since I tried the Charge Ladle that I originally bought for my girlfriend, there is no way back: the best saddle without questions. I FINALLY found what fits my structure. So, I can confirm your recommendation is 100% true, Russ!

[@curtbrown7967]

Brooks B 17 is still my go to saddle. Never let me down

[@JasperJanssen]

Still prefer the B67. Deleting the springs for no reason seems like a loss.

[@ECsponger2]

I like how you showed all 4 of these saddles in the rain hahaha

[@wilkbor]

I bought a brooks flyer and will stick with it. The break in period was quite long and I almost gave up on it because I got blisters every time I rode on it. Once broken in, it is pretty comfortable. My final verdict: it's a good bicycle saddle despite the extended break in period. Second conclusion: people get way too worked up about bicycle saddles. THey don't live up to the hype from the fans and don't generally deserve the criticism of those who hate them.

[@buckettraveler8398]

I always fight with saddles and end up going back to a Brooks. I can confirm they have a point of no return but the hold that perfect fit for a few years. I'm going through it right now and am about to give up and buy another Brooks. I'd rather have a comfortable seat from the get go and have it last the entire life of the bike I put it on but man finding that perfect saddle is hard and expensive. . .

[@holgaholic]

need an updated version of this

[@jnrickards]

I love the WTB Rocket V Comp that came with my 2012 Kona Sutra, after about 15,000 km, it's still comfortable.

[@markreams3192]

I’m using a Brooks C17 which I really like. I was off the bike for almost a year and a half due to injury. When I started riding again, I fully expected to have a sore bum for a few days but it never happened. It’s still very comfortable and well worth the weight penalty. Other than the color fading, it shows no sign of wear after 7 months of riding. I use the saddle with a Specialized CG seat post which was the only surviving part of my Roubaix after being hit by a pickup truck. As funny looking as the seat post is, it does what it’s designed to do and contributes to comfort.

[@businessreform]

I agree with Adam's comment below. I would love to see an updated version of this video. I don't race but I am looking for a good saddle for a 1 day 160 mile road ride.

[@jasoncarroll8182]

This is exactly the kind of helpful content I like. Thanks!

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

Thanks. Always looking for suggestions for future vid ideas. If you have any let us know.

[@nilling]

Good honest review. The Charge Spoon is a great replacement especially such a low price.

[@Vernalobos]

I use the Brooks C17 Cambium carved. Straight out of the box all day comfort!!

[@The_sinner_Jim_Whitney]

Richard V Hear, HEAR! I have one on my hybrid and my fat trail bike. I have a C19 carved on my girlfriend's hybrid, too, and she seems to like it as well as I love my C17s.

[@garydavis9844]

Brooks c-19 is my go to saddel!

[@theoilingchief]

I haven’t used the Brooks but did get Selle Antonica which I absolutely love.

[@jfspurlin1]

Thanks for the video. I'm both surprised and pleased to see the Aliante on your list. I've been a roadie for many years and after trying many saddles my favorite became the Aliante and I've had it on all my bikes for the about 8 years - but not the Versus version. I tried the versus but for some reason it was not as comfortable for me as the regular version without the channel. I can't explain why. I also commute to work and have done a 4-day tour on an old (1998) Specialized Rockhopper that I have racks/fenders on, and recently I have built up an "all purpose" bike (Lynskey Backroad) I for multi surface riding, gravel, touring, etc. I put Aliantes on those bikes too, simply because I already had them, but considered that a temporary situation, assuming all along I would eventually need to put a Brooks saddle or other touring saddle on one or both of those bikes for comfort. But so far the Aliante has been totally comfortable, even on the high mileage (100+ mi) days of the mini tour. I still might try a Brooks when one of my Aliantes wears out but at least I don't need to switch just for the touring cred.

[@rupertbear9701]

About 5 years ago I moved away from charge saddles, I found any ride around 100 miles I was in agony and went through them rapidly. My B17 has done 5 years sterling service and still on my touring bike, I also run a cambium C17 and a swift on 2 of my other bikes, to be honest they have been hands down the most reliable comfortable saddles I've ever owned, with the exception of an old flite Ti saddle that's been on all my XC bikes for the last 10 years.

[@lancerturner79]

Can you an update to this please? Would love to hear how you feel now and how your thoughts have changed 4 years later.

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

Update soon.

[@speedbird8987]

I love that you include options for women! so many youtube videos are aimed at men only. Thank you! I have subscribed.

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

Check out Laura's latest review of the Specialized women's Mimic saddle! kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4nRgJJrfZehbZI

[@RideAlongside]

Try the Brooks Team Pro instead. Thicker leather and a little narrower shape has been fantastic for me over the last year.

[@terencej72]

I’ve got 2 Team Pros and a charge spoon ti as well as a San Marco Rolls on my 4 bikes. Team Pro are the most comfortable but the spoon is good fora racing saddle. My team pro on my commute bike has 12 years and nearly 15,000 miles on it. There’s a little bit of crack8ng at 2 of the rivets but I expect them to last another 3 or 4 years and 5000 miles.

[@RideAlongside]

@@terencej72 😃👍

[@agentsmith1266]

Former brooks b17 and swift rider here. When looking for an alternative I temporarily got hooked on the wtb pure line, particularly the pure v. I wish I had discovered the ergon 150mm SFC3 gel saddle before buying all those pures. The ergon is the most amazing seat Ive used in 26 years of riding. No padded shorts required (which is a sign of a bad seat.)

[@handpaulled]

I've had a b17 for 2 years and it was comfortable from the word go (unlike the Fabric one I had before) Unfortunately the adjustment bolt has just snapped. Are they easy to mend yourself? The answer to my own question above (a week later) is no! I bought a new bolt but it's nigh on impossible to wedge back in. My solution was to keep the saddle stem attached and gently open a vice between the metal nose and stem stretching the seat lengthways.

[@MINXC3]

I've had a B17 for about 4~5 years and have been happy it with until quite recently. I have a Charge Spoon upstairs somewhere and I might give it another try this weekend.

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

The Spoon is a good alternative depending on how low your handlebars are relative to your saddle. If your bars are taller than your saddle, it won't work as well. If they are a touch lower, they will work better.

[@pinsboy]

Maintain your b17 tention it then use bees wax or mink oil, they also sell there own proohide and it will last forever. If you don't your saddle will dip then it will over stress the rivets of your saddle and rip the leather. If I can keep a b17 going for 10 years in constant rain you can too

[@keelferm]

Chargé Spoon has been my go to for years. What are you doing to your saddles whereby they wear out so fast! Mine last for years!

[@shannonpuckett9378]

Brooks Cambium C-19 with the cut out center is a very comfortable saddle. Give it a try.

[@peterbaskind9872]

I am a B17/Professional fan. I always will be. It is the only saddle I have tried that does not give me sores. I have SIX of them total. But I have a bike (which I don't like much) that I keep for riding in the rain. A leather saddle is, of course, a poor choice. So I just ordered a Spoon off Amazon ($28), based upon your recommendation. We'll see if that works.

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

Hope it works out. The spoon works best if the hbar height is even or lower than your saddle.

[@peterbaskind9872]

@@PathLessPedaledTV Great. I'll let you know. Worst case is that I am out $30. Best case is that my inability to ride that saddle more than 30-40 miles without discomfort improves.

[@jamesk8147]

I still love my Brooks. I have a 14 year old B17 on my touring/kick-around-town bike, a 3 year old Swift on my trail bike and a 4 year old C13 on my trail bike which is the only saddle I’m not crazy about. Both leather saddles have been super comfortable and really lasted which is saying something considering what I’ve put them through. While there are a lot of good saddles out there nothing touches Brooks service. A two year warranty that’s extended to 10 years when you register it. I haven’t had to use it but it’s nice to know it’s there. When I get my gravel bike lined out the first place I’ll go for a saddle is Brooks.

[@ajwilliams7757]

Thanks for the video. After having issues with the build quality of Brooks Saddle, it is good to know that there are other options!

[@sventice]

I've been using the Brooks C17. It has the B17 geometry, only with vulcanized rubber instead of leather. It still has the short rail, which is indeed a drawback, but it's waterproof, which the B17 is not, and the most comfortable saddle I've ever used. (Like most people, I've used the B17, and loved it, too, but if you live in the Pacific Northwest, having a waterproof saddle is kind of mandatory.)

[@Wallaby1961]

I've switched from B17 that broke its tension screw to a Cambium C17 Carved & love it 😍

[@Dhaat]

Phil Shaw I'm being using C17 carved daily for almost three years, and I love it. I want to try one of the new Ergons

[@Wallaby1961]

Mario Arias sounds good👍 are you referring to Ergon Grips?

[@Dhaat]

Phil Shaw no, Ergon has saddles too, the new one will come with some kind of suspension similar to a running shoe

[@perros8064]

I did the same switch and then I could set my butterfly bar almost 35° lower. It´s much better confortable now, everything, the saddle and the riding position. No regreat at all

[@andresmoreno7947]

I also went to a Cambium C17 and it is hands-down the most comfortable saddle I've owned. I stopped using riding shorts for day rides--I can go all day with no discomfort whatsoever. Not cheap but worth every penny.

[@markroberts6971]

Been trying the Brooks C17 for awhile, and I chose it because it’s not leather, but still utilized flexibility and a cutout.

[@vagrant318]

I never got on with the charge spoon, I thought it was really narrow and very little padding. Maybe the ladle is worth looking into.. I've been using wtb pure V and brooks c17 cambium for years now but always looking for improvement..

[@bengt_axle]

The wear that your see on the Charge (3:34) can be prevented by covering it with black electrical tape when the saddle is new. You can just wrap around the nose and working around the rails. Electrical tape becomes very slippery as your thigh rubs against it and is perfect for this application. I have it on my Selle Italia Turbomatic Gel Flow (also a very good flat saddle) and it works great, even when placed horizontally.

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

No doubt that it works, but sort of janky to put tape on a new product so it doesn’t break.

[@robappleby583]

I must be doing something wrong because my Brooks saddles last for years. But I do have a more upright position than most riders, so it's the support at the back that really counts for me. You're right about the short rails though, that is a limitation with the B17. Maybe I'll try the Cambium next time I get a new bike - although I mostly ride recumbents these days. You're also right about the leather not being what it used to be, but they do a premium version I believe, with a better quality leather.

[@7thkansascav468]

I tried an ISM Adamo Typhoon a few years ago on a MTB, it felt good so I picked up a Prologue for one of my road bikes. I now have 8 of them on various bikes. They seem to be a "love it or hate it" saddle, definitley not for everybody, but I love mine.

[@eduardserra621]

Hi Russ, I would like to know you opinion about Fabric saddles. Tanks!

[@barryervin8536]

I did a lot of biking in the 70s-80s-90, nothing much over 100 miles at a time but many club rides and commuting to work. I tried many different saddles and found out a few things. #1, the shape of the saddle is way more important than the padding. #2, thick, soft padding is only comfortable over very short distances, once the padding has compressed it comes down to the underlying shape. #3, very wide saddles may be comfortable to sit on but not to peddle on. But obviously you already know all this. I rode an Ideale 90 for a several years (very similar to a Brooks B-17) and I found it uncomfortable for some time until it broke in, than was fairly comfortable for a year or so but then began to sag and stretch and became uncomfortable again. My next saddle was a Zeuss Soffati which was narrow and light with almost no padding and was white leather with lots of little ventilation holes It looked very nice but also looked very uncomfortable. Surprise, it was the most comfortable bike saddle I've ever owned, and I have been kicking myself ever since for leaving on the bike when I sold it. I've never seen another one anywhere. It just seemed the perfect shape to conform to my anatomy. Since then I've avoided the old style leather saddles in favor of more modern designs with a cutout and a bit of gel padding. I recently bought a folding bike and the cheap no-name saddle it came with is actually surprisingly comfortable on the short rides I go on now, but I'm always looking for something better (and classic brown is always a plus, which narrows the available choices quite a bit). Thanks for the very informative video. I think I may try one of those Charge saddles.

[@Threestrand1]

I've been riding a Brooks Swift almost every day since 2009. It's still in great condition. I treat it with a bees wax based boot treatment a couple time a winter. It's been on tours and is my go-to every day commuter. So far it's lasted twice as long as my previous B-17s, and I can still see years in its future.

[@elchert]

Hi, I'm curious to know which bees-wax product you are using. Thanks in advance.

[@davidoof1826]

Thing is, I have Brooks saddles that are 20+ years old, already well used when I bought them. If well conditioned and well protected from they can last decades. If treated like a cheap regular saddle a Brooks won’t last well at all. If you polish your shoes regularly a Brooks is great. If not, maybe not the best choice.

[@gentsracer1845]

As it's said in the video, Brooks saddles from 20 years or more ago are fine and may still be going strong, but since then the leather quality has changed. They're no longer using only the strongest part of the hides for high-mileage saddles like the B-17, but all parts of the hide, so it's become a lottery if you get a saddle that will hold up or not. What you say about caring for a leather saddle is right of course, don't leave it outside in the rain, use fenders, do grease it at least once a year etc.

[@josuezuniga6776]

Brook's saddles as any leather item could last a really long time, this guy is a negligent owner,things don't last to him cause he doesn't take care of them

[@SIvers-or2ke]

Just ordered a Gilles Berthoud Galibier saddle. They do more touring style ones as well. Men and Women specific too. I wanted something more “ comfortable” without the weight of something like a Brooks. So this hit the sweet spot between the two points for me. Will still need to break it in etc but hoping that my rear end will be happy for longer rides.

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

Good to know.

[@aroundoz]

I have heard a lot of good things about the Serfa RX and that might be the next saddle I try but until then I will happily stay on my Brooks. Even if brooks leather is lower quality (not sure if that is true) I think it would still have to outlast any other saddle, made of a thin layer of padding and a leather or synthetic cover, as long as you take care of it.

[@grahamaustin9085]

My Brooks has done about 45,000 miles and is still comfortable.

[@onthebounce6909]

I use a Brooks saddle on my Brompton, but it's a Cambium C17 that the LBS was nice enough to swap when I picked the bike up. It's only a week old, so I can't say how durable it is, but I have to say it's really nice not having to worry about a saddle cover.

[@squeakygiant]

Used to ride Brooks (3 different ones), but found the single position to constricting. Have had great luck with the Splesh Toupe for a few years now. Bars are around 1-5 cm below saddle depending on bike and riding.

[@Korschtal]

Personally I like the Flyer, which is the same as the B17, but with springs. I'm surprised so few people seem to use it. However, It's good to know what else is available.

[@whitting54]

I rode a Brooks Professional for over 10 years. Didn't have the patience to break in another Brooks and am currently riding a WTB Pure V that I purchased about 10 years ago. Looks a lot like the Charge Spoon and was similarly priced IIRC. Very comfortable and durable saddle.

[@seyo8068]

I bought a b17 Last year Dezember. Didnt Found quite the right adjustment yet. But ONLY Rode it twice since i bought. Still waiting for better weather and more sun. Will see in a few weeks. I hope it fits me, that thing wasnt cheap and it looks damn GOOD on my retro bianchi

[@malcolmemsley5909]

I gave up with Brookes years ago due to Numb Nuts. I tried Rido R2 and finished up changing all 5 of my bikes to these. Good width for sit bones , it is important to set them up correctly with nose slightly pointing up, A rolling sensation is felt at first on the sit bones but this is not noticed after a while...it is due to placing you correctly on these bones unlike other saddles. Definitely good for bigger people like me. They look a bit crap but they work. Price is also very competitive, I have no problems now so I don't need to change.

[@Digi20]

on my road bike, after trying out many saddles for the past years, i am now absolutely happy with a non padded, crazy lightweight full carbon saddle (berk lupina). its so comfy because the shell flexes (especially when paired with a flexy carbon seatpost) and you sit kind of like in a hammock. if it wouldnt be so expensive i would buy a second one for the gravel bike. there i settled with an ergon sr comp. that also work quite well as long as i dont go into an aggressive aero position for long.

[@DavidPulsipher]

Thanks Russ - I feel like taking an anti-brooks stance is a bold move, because they are honestly revered. I use brooks on all of my bikes - still. In every climate. One thing I wanted to ask about is that you specifically call out b-17, but there are other models. I use the flyer on my xtracycle and my commuter. I love the spring versions and I wonder if the spring's give, helps extend the leather life? I have had zero issues with leather quality, and when my rails broke brooks repaired them for free. SO they still have good customer service. Not that it is important in the grand scheme of things, but the brooks aesthetic is honestly so vastly superior to most other saddles, I couldn't even compare. Like it or not, it is nice to like to "look" at your bike.

[@DavidPulsipher]

also, i biked year round in chicago and worked in a place where i had to leave my bike outside, with the proper two bag system, and a saddle cover when I ride, I had ZERO issues with abundance of rain. I know it's not PNW levels, but it's still plenty wet. I honestly can't relate to maintenance issues that relate to a brooks. just be smart and cover it up.

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

Thanks. I call out the B-17 specifically because it's the model I've had the most experience with and used on most of our touring bikes. I've owned a Flyer, but never put any super long miles on it and like you it was on cargo bike / commuting duty (it was on the Bilenky) so didn't see as much use as the B-17. Yes, the aesthetic of the Brooks can't be beat. I've not seen a synthetic saddle and gone "oooh that looks sweet!". I'd be curious to try one of Swift models to see if it is different, but will have to wait until the wallet allows :)

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

I'm sure with diligence people can maintain a leather saddle. There are a ton here in Portland. I'm just pretty good at losing saddle covers and get lazy :)

[@steveschurr5967]

I've had 6 or 7 Brooks over the last 50 or so years and have never had one that tightening the nose piece didn't add tension to the saddle. A quarter turn once in a while, never more than twice a year and never more than a quarter turn at a time, just like Brooks recommends. My oldest saddles are still just as I like them. I still have 4 of those on bikes today. I also have one Cambium, which never needs anything is now over 5 years old. I bought it right after they stopped using cloth tops. That one still feels just like new. Brooks isn't the only saddle I like but, I look at them as the best value option.

[@DenHoak]

Gyes gs17A ??

[@BillReals]

I've tried other saddles but I keep coming back to a Brooks or Selle Anatomica. I've got a B-17 on my Brompton with ~ 1500 miles on it that is the most comfortable saddle I own, only thing I don't like about it is use in rain. For my mountain bike, I went with a Brooks Cambium, the jury is still out on that one, I'm not sure I care for it's stiffness and lack of give. On my touring bike, I have a Selle Anatomica, which I find more comfortable than the B17, but it's not going to last as long, I have to tighten the adjustment screw often, otherwise it squeaks when i ride it.

[@kenellison2137]

“A taint ridge, which isn’t awesome” best product review comment ever! 🤣

[@davyhaynes6716]

I rode Brooks Pros for several years riding ultras. Eventually, I gave up on them for many of the reasons you mentioned. Plus, living in the SE US, it’s quite humid here which results in a lot of sweat. Brooks saddles do not do well getting wet, and who wants to use a rain cover every ride to protect it from sweat. Once they start to sag, it’s all over. Tightening the tension bolt only turns them into, as we called them back in the day, “ass hatchets.”

[@NonLegitNation2]

I currently use a charge spoon and I just purchased a B17 earlier today on eBay. The charge just isn't wide enough so I decided to go with the B17-S. Even though it's supposedly for women I measured my sit bones at 165-170mm range and with the B17-S being 175mm hopefully it will fit perfect. 08/25/2024 Update: I'm still using the B17S on my mtb and it's just started getting comfortable. I went ahead and purchased another Brooks saddle, a standard B17 last week to put on my road bike. The new sadle is hard as a rock and VERY slippery. My B17S is the softened version so it was grippy right away. I'm hoping the slipperiness on this standard B17 goes away eventually. Also I angled the saddle up a bit earlier today to help me not slip off the nose of the saddle.

[@davidcooper6704]

Brooks B17 standard fitted to my 1986 Jackson Super Tourist. Still on the bike still in use and still comfortable. Horses for courses!

[@mtvcop1366]

+1 on the fizik saddle - I use a fizik Vitesse, I'm a guy, but I find the 155mm width just right, and especially the thin, firm padding over the slightly flexy shell. Good quality cover and build too.

[@BK42Cycles]

Very good review my friend! Your new fan from Warsaw

[@malcolmtaylor518]

Try the pre aged Brooks Flyer with springs. Great touring saddle, with b17 form. The pre aging means it breaks in quicker.

[@xavcarmic0686]

I use the B17 on my Klein Quantum and would not use any other saddle on it. It is superior in comfort, straight out of the box, to another other Brooks I have used. Tried many others including Fiziks and the awful Specialized BG saddles. I am a Brooks and San Marco Rolls fan. I have a C17 on my gravel bike and an old Brooks (pre Italian ownership) Professional on my 653 lugged bike. The Rolls are on my Specialized MTB and Fondriest. I'm still looking for a home for my Swift Ti which is not as comfortable as the B17 or Professional.

[@SinnerSince1962]

I had been looking at the Charge Spoon, simply because it "looked" comfortable. But I just didn't buy it as I had no endorsements from anyone. Then, BOOM! you mention it first. I just bought one in "Honey" brown (sorry Brooks).

[@jambonsambo]

The B17 has such short rails , do you think the charge spoon can be moved back further than the B17?

[@awidiarto]

I have the B17 brooks on my canyon urban commuter but on my gravel bike, i am planning to give WTB volt narrow a try. I bought a breezer inversion last year and it came with this wtb volt saddle…when i sold the bike, i kinda regretted that i did not take the saddle off because i miss that cushion but yet comfy feeling i had with that saddle. Hence…looking for the same saddle to try on my diverge. Will compare with my b17 feeling. Although in comparison, the b17 weight a lot more than the wtb volt…probably saving half of the weight here

[@The177Hunter]

Im just torn between getting the b67 or the b17... b67 would be more comfortable but b17 comes in red and would match my bike...

[@steveb1972]

I have to say my Marin Gestalt came with its own stock branded saddle. The first bike I’ve ever had with a saddle I’ve not had to replace. It’s so comfy with or without cycle shorts.

[@thattravellingguy]

How's your experience with the Marin? In considering the four corners, because the trek 520, surly lht, Kona are not available for a year. Don't see many reviews on it. Not in English atleast.

[@michaelberger6699]

Serfas rx+!! Marvelous! No break in. No worries about rain!

[@stephensaines7100]

Brooks Swallow, but make sure the seat post clasp doesn't foul the wrap under bridge under the nose. Needless to say, it takes at least a month for initial break-in, and then a year or more to get intimately formed and comfortable.

[@TheSpiritOfTheWest]

Stephen Saines isn’t that just for racing n not for Long distance?

[@stilllifeproductions5017]

Thanks for this and all your other excellent videos. I'd like to see a similar "Alternative to B-17" saddles with other (similar) leather contenders...

[@timinno]

I've had a Charge Spoon on my road bike for several years. Super comfortable.

[@AndyJarman]

I looked at these saddles. They are all 145mm wide. Except the ladle which is 155mm wide. The Brooks B17 is 185mm wide. I have had two 145mm saddles and both have been too narrow for me. I just ordered the ladle, if that's no good I'll try the Brooks B17 and just accept it'll need replacing. I don't wear black shorts and was concerned about the leather die running anyway.

[@jthepickle7]

I'm for Brooks all the way! Tried plastic saddles, lots of them, and went back to Brooks.

[@russellmoore2570]

I ride a brooks B17 on my True North custom built touring bike, after 13000 km It shows no signs of wear and provides great comfort on my 100 - 140 km rides. Has weathered well and I have just treated it with Lexol from time to time. Just got some Prooffide and given it a treatment, so It should do even better for the next 13000 km's. I ride a Fi'zik on my road bike and it's fine for 50 - 75 km rides, usually spend more time out of the saddle on my road bike.

[@markmoreno7295]

What was good about the Brooks was that it was slippery. Are any of these nice and slick?

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

Yes.

[@markmoreno7295]

@@PathLessPedaledTV great! So which is closest to a buffed leather? I found that my old Brooks forced me to constantly readjust my bottom because I kept sliding. This, I believe, it what made it good. I measured myself at about 150 mm which puts me near to past the width of my Brooks forcing me to sit on the copper rivets. (Not good.) It sounds as if one of the last two you mentioned might work. I also favor a tad bit of upward flare toward the end, similar to the Brooks.

[@christophe8292]

thks for your video. What do you think about the issue of pressure on the perineum? I have a brooks flyer which is fine except for pressure on the perineum. Currently looking into the Brooks imperial. Your thoughts? thanks!

[@jeffjones2586]

Had a Fuji Gran Tourer that came with a 'Belt' Brooks B17 knockoff. That was in 1989. The bike is long gone. Still have the saddle. Did a 2200 mile tour of the British Isles...on that saddle. If it ain't broke...

[@dvhezt7152]

Your alternative suggetion are this all Retro saddles? Like brook saddles?

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

No. Did you even watch the video? That's what the play button is for.

[@dvhezt7152]

@@PathLessPedaledTV yes and i was expecting retro saddles you will suggest

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

@@dvhezt7152 saddle shape is more important than retroness.

[@pmd7914]

I'm curious about how many Brooks saddles you might have used. Did they break or wear out? Or were they stolen? My father was a serious rider over many years, his Brooks saddle lasted a lifetime. I've just inherited a NOS Brooks Professional that I've just started to break in. My riding is urban commuting transport utility. Biggest concern for me is theft. Will buy a Charge Spoon to try out on another seatpost. Great review.

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

+PMD went through three personally. As a household 5 of them. Used largely for touring. They broke by being over worn. Too saggy and the tightening bolt didn't do anything.

[@cbalduc]

I LOVE the Charge Spoon! Half the weight, a fraction of the price, and twice the comfort of a Brooks anything.

[@donnyo65]

I have an SQ Labs on my upright tourer which is fab. My gravel bike currently has a WTB MTB saddle which is comfy but not ideal for drops so I'm looking to replace it - some good ideas here.

[@carlshap]

If you like the Charge Spoon, try a Fabric Scoop saddle. It’s almost exactly the same shape but is a little higher end and comes in a ton of options including 3 different position profiles. I’ve heard that the guys who started Fabric used to work for Charge, but I don’t know for sure. The major difference is that the Scoop is not stitched, it’s adhered to the foam and base directly so the whole thing acts in unison to create a suspended and cushioned comfort. I have had one on my road bike for two years now and it’s held up quite admirably with no maintenance at all. Been really enjoying your channel!

[@wanderingsailor5503]

Just got eh fabric scoop shallow profile. Can't say I'm liking it so far. I've only been on it for about 50k as I just got it the other day. Did you find there's a break in or was it comfortable right away for you?

[@carlshap]

Wandering Sailor Kind of, I don’t think the saddle breaks in, but my body definitely takes several rides to adjust to any new saddle. I also found that I need to point the nose of the saddle up about half a degree to keep from sliding forward. The shallow is for a pretty aggressive road bike so if the profile is wrong for the type of riding you do it’ll be uncomfortable. They have a more padded Scoop radius saddle too for more upright positions. I never believe anyone who says their saddle is instantly comfortable unless they have lost all feeling below the waist. I would give the saddle a few more rides and go from there, if it were me. If you’re in acute pain, don’t ride it.

[@wanderingsailor5503]

Carl Shapiro thanks for taking the time to reply. We'll I ride a specialized hybrid bike, so I think my less aggressive riding is not suited for the saddle. I've only had it for a couple of days now though, so I'll make my decision after a couple more rides. I can tell from the narrow profile that the saddle is not designed for that, slightly angled, upright position. I will adjust the front of the saddle a few degrees upwards to see if that helps some. I was thinking of trying the radius but I'm not sure if would make any major difference over the shallow model. Think I'll try one of the specialized power saddles, or an ergon saddle if it doesn't work out. Or, I might fork out the cash for a b17 though I'm not too keen on the weight. Thanks

[@patefermente]

I'm a Brooks B67 man... after several years, I still haven't worn it out, used it up, or looked for anything as a replacement.

[@dharmapunk777]

you can adjust the sag by adding lacing. They now sell the imperial B17 which comes pre laced and with a cutout for the perineum.

[@StelioRossi]

I also have a Brooks b17, but aged, which is comfortable straight away, but with time becomes a bit too loose. I tried than a C17 carved, thus not leather but rubber, not needing any break in nor any cream, but to me is quite hard and with kind of rough surface which makes a bit uncomfortable on longer rides. Probably leather remains a better choice. Being you American I expected a test of Rivet, or Selle Anatomica (Italian name but American), both leather. What do you think about them?

[@nastythomashobbs]

I actually love the standard seat that came with my Brompton.

[@ericpmoss]

Another choice is the Berthoud Mente, which is 180mm wide, with thicker leather, waterproofing, and rear rivets off the back rather than something to sit on.

[@Rockinroomsrob]

I own a few charge bikes which have the spoon saddle, I'd say they are easily one of the comfiest saddles I've used. The wittkop velodrome on my moulton is a great saddle too

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

+Rockinroomsrob great value saddles!

[@rotex]

I have the Aliante on my MTB and Tandem. I like them, but wood like something on my tandem to absorb vibration in the road dew to 5 level fusion with disc removed.

[@erics9214]

I have a couple of different Brooks saddles and love them. I haven't had any longevity issues, but I keep my saddles waxed with the Brooks leather treatment and also use a waterproof cover when in the rain. The older one is a Flyer model that's about 10 years old and has thousands of miles on it. The springs make this a heavy but very comfortable saddle. I use it on my bikepacking rig and don't need a shock seat post. More recently I've purchase a Selle Anatomica H2. It takes less break in than the Brooks and is super comfortable. One of the nice things about the Selle Anatomica is it is a small family owned company that makes their saddles in the US.

[@banalpedant41]

My Brooks b17 has about 2k on it and at least a yr and a half of use and it's still tight. Hasn't softened up a bit. The reason I' mentioning this is pretty simple. Leather can differ in strength and stiffness dramatically. It may even be because of your local climate. Also, on different days the saddle is stiffer than others.

[@devinfahada4880]

What do u think about specialized phenom?

[@rickdoehler502]

I'm not into touring, but did ride a Brooks for a few years back in the day.. It was a good saddle decades ago, Why now? As you have shown, there are so many better choices out there.. My Brooks now makes for a decoration on my wall, pretty cool to look at, but I wouldn't think to put my butt on it.

[@NeilHodges]

Will you be trying out other brands of leather saddles, such as Gilles Berthoud and Rivet? They both have better rails, and Berthoud's leather is significantly more durable than Brooks's. Even within Brooks, the various 'Select' models tend to last a lot longer. I have a B-17 Select that's lasted years and is still pretty hard aside from the sitbone area, with no sag. The Team Pro is also a pretty good choice for the bars just below the saddle.

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

May try to review them. Depends on what the wallet allows :) I haven't really ventured past the B-17 and the Flyer, but am curious about the Select models.

[@grahamaustin9085]

Mine has lasted 25,000 miles so far and is hardly marked. Not bad for durability.

[@2002mitchell]

The Rivet Pearl is awesome. I've been riding it for years.

[@TypeVertigo]

You could probably try something from Selle SMP next time. The shape of the saddle and the angle of the rails make for slightly odd setup on the seatpost, but these saddles have their fans - myself included. Mine's a Selle SMP Hell (now renamed the "Well"), which is the top model in their "Touring" selection. There are other cheaper models available that come with more padding.

[@zbsz92]

im into selle anatomica for the long rails, but these smp seem to have long rails as well but only the more expensive ones