4 Frog Light Farms - Spawner - 1dim - Simple Portal - Fast Portal

[@daltonmekis]

I’m betting the frog’s AI gets way less laggy when you put blocks over their heads because of the change they made in a snapshot a while back. If I remember correctly, the frogs were initially killing themselves occasionally by jumping down a few blocks at once, damaging them. Then I think Mojang changed it so they wouldn’t do that anymore. So maybe the frog constantly has to calculate where it would land if it jumps right now, causing a ton of lag

[@ilmango]

that would explain it. just not sure if the solution to do that many checks all the time is that good xD

[@ProfessorThock]

Rabbits have always done that and nobody seems to care. I have witnessed a lot of baby bunnies committing suicide on hillsides. I’d like to see them fix that but hopefully not in a way that introduces so much lag.

[@defeatSpace]

@@ilmango intrinsic motivation to play a different version

[@GG-bw5qd]

Probably would have been better to just remove fall damage from frogs

[@MCPhssthpok]

Add to that the fact that they prioritize jumping to lily pads so the game must be scanning the area around them every time it decides to have them jump.

[@windywendi]

According to my testing, single candles are actually better than chains when it comes to tiny magma cube filtering, as they are thinner than chains, and can float in mid air.

[@ilmango]

good one. this would be indeed slightly better

[@sebastianjost]

If you use two different colors of candles, can you place them without support blocks underneath? If that is possible, it would also make building the farm easier.

[@rellikpd]

and you could light them too as a light source block to adapt spawning rules and light updates. Noice.

[@samhiggs5155]

Hermitcraft: powered by illmango

[@bdizzle501]

That’s mostly doc but yeah

[@mrherbert1754]

Facts

[@realhkv4082]

More likely the whole community

[@aaro_n]

Wow big creators like using other creators projects to give exposure. Crazy.

[@TheProgrn]

I started watching illmango because of hermitcraft.

[@nggyunglyd2374]

I definitely am intrigued by the first two farms as they are mainly within my abilities to construct, but the last 3 were incredibly cool to see. Loved the various lag reduction techniques too

[@YounesLayachi]

I've been waiting for a fully automatic light block farm, and while the magma cube spawners seemed redundant back in 1.16, now they make more sense

[@sebastianjost]

Shroomlight farms existed before this. They provide good light sources and wood completely automatically too. Frog light farms are definitely less complex though. It's nice to have options

[@YounesLayachi]

@@sebastianjost shrooms farms require TNT duping and bonemeal farm working alongside and give too many items when I only need a light source. But on the flip side, shroomlight farming doesn't require player afking in the nether. So yeah good to have more options, I've been using jack O lanterns xD Gloswtone can be bought directly instead of crafted... In small quantities unless many clerics. Sea lanterns are also an option that I'll be exploring once I set up monument farm (though I don't have monument near base on every world)

[@sebastianjost]

@@YounesLayachi true. Either TNT duping or restocking it every so often, which would require sand mining and a gunpowder farm. The farm itself produces logs, shroomlight and everything else can be turned back into bonemeal. Moss farms are great at providing the bone meal and some useful blocks along the way. But then this really turns into a very big project. ...just like a monument farm. I definitely recommend building a design that doesn't require draining the ocean as that takes ages and a lot of sand (or anvils 😅). Bubble column based farms are laggy unless you turn particles down, but they are way easier to build and still work great.

[@YounesLayachi]

@@sebastianjost yep, i was thinking about bubble column and portal farm, thanks for the heads-up about particles ! I usually play with fast graphics and some rendering stuff turned off by rendering mods. Will make extra sure to turn off bubbles, unless they only render up close

[@NealjanYT]

listening to that intro you already get hyped cause you know youre gonna see an amazing video love your videos ^^

[@2No2Name]

Goats and frogs simulate their jumps before deciding to actually take them (random target position, lots of collision calculations). The blocks help because one of the first collision checks fails, so the others are skipped. The honey is a special case, because they do not try to jump at all when they are on honey.

[@williamdrum9899]

So if you place the frogs on honey the game skips all the checks, reducing lag

[@racernatorde5318]

I just realized something the other day: Since slimes are now farmable via swamps, there is actually no need for overworld perimeters anymore. Only if you want very fast farms or want to optimize performance. And considering the increased effort with the increased world height, that's actually quite convenient. I have done two perimeters in my singleplayer world (One for the spawn chunks) and even with trench makers and world eaters, the effort/reward ratio is now passed the point where I consider it worth my time

[@JakeWolven]

yeah but it looks cool

[@ilmango]

I mean there was never a "need" for perimeters because people played the game just fine without them. It was always a vanity project to optimise something just for the sake of doing it

[@flo0778]

I don't think you ever needed to dig the chunk where your slime chunk based slime farm is. you can just spawn proof it and dig a few layers for the farm. It's just slower because of the spawning algorithm

[@racernatorde5318]

@@flo0778 Sure, you could get started with it, but I suppose the rates of such "farm" was/is only a fraction of what a modern swamp farm produces. So previously you where kind bound to make some sort of perimeter for slimes

[@horos02]

I wanted to dig a perimeter with a world eater for the experience but i struggle to find a farm to put in the middle, in the overworld everything seems to be productive enought without, so i decided i'll do it in the nether. It' better to remove bedrock first and world eater or double tunner bore + world eater?

[@ryanthescion]

And this is why I never design my own farms

[@YounesLayachi]

Tbh the amount of dedication to the game to produce a decent farm design is too unhealthy unless it's your full time job

[@Mikkerd12]

​@@YounesLayachi nah some farms can be designed quite quick

[@spartycool]

Designing my own farms is still fun for me. Running into problems and figuring out solutions.

[@YounesLayachi]

Yeah, ideally want to have fun making own farm and then when done, tear it down and build a more efficient community vetted design xD Cause there's no point in keeping inefficient or laggy farms long term in a world

[@YounesLayachi]

And admittedly this is a bad example to illustrate because magma cube farms are too simple xD

[@madcreeper9174]

I had my old magma cube farm converted so it also produces froglight, and it immediately blew up my storage. Crazy how these little frogs can eat so many magma cubes in just a few hours.

[@jsonkl88]

Thank you Ilmango. Your videos are always very explanatory and useful in the community. How crazy are farms with portals. I really like this new block. As soon as I update I will make a farm with portals or the one that uses golems.

[@gavin5410]

I really liked those old portal based farms where you had to turn the portals on and off. I really hope mojang makes it so mobs can't spawn inside portal blocks instead of making them unable to spawn in obsidian portal frames. Also maybe they should add the fire aspect book functionality from bedrock for infinite flint and steel

[@Daniel-rb7zo]

What does bedrock have with fire aspect? I haven't heard of that before, sounds neat.

[@toniweak]

Awesome, how far you can already push these kind of farms. The new minecart unloading system is probably one of the greatest addition to the game, redstonewise.

[@DementedMK]

Oh this is really cool! I spent a few hours yesterday putting together a spawner froglight farm and mine is almost the same as your first one, except I made the box only 9x9 because I didn’t consider the bigger size of the magma cubes. Thank you! When I build this I’ll make sure to have it a little bigger :)

[@kvsh485]

Pretty amazing! I am looking forward to build one and use the Froglights in some nice builds

[@riteshrobotics9713]

Bruh I was just about search a frog light farm when this appeared, nice farm and its so simple

[@tunamc5759]

Love this farm man ! So simply put together , makes use of them horrible magma cubes , actually gonna build this

[@priyabratprince]

love you ilmango. youre a genius. to a point i was catching up as to ho you might improve that design. but at a point you just overwnelmed me. duh! dint even think whether this was possible

[@tldr9989]

The farms were fine, but that frog lag analysis was really cool and welcome. Ty.

[@madman2572]

for the nether roof 1d version, you still get 12k lights per hour with only one spawn platform (runs at full mobcap)

[@MinecrafttTiger]

ilmango: don't build the last one if you have a weaker computer my computer: can't get above 30 fps

[@quintencabo]

No water in the nether but powdered snow is fine 🤡

[@heatran4109]

And water cauldrons somehow work

[@astikach666]

Does a frog in a minecart eat the small magma cubes? If it does, does it reduce the lag. The logic that I was thinking is that the frogs in minecarts would try to pathfind and increase the chances the frogs eating magma cubes, increase drops like the panda slime farm you built before.

[@khiemgom]

i dont think adding more entities is a good idea tho? might be wrong

[@MouldMadeMind]

@@khiemgom more frogs is a good idea.

[@sebastianjost]

Adding frogs may actually decrease the total number of entities since they eat the magma cubes faster. I'm pretty sure there is a lag-optimal number of frogs for every farm. If frogs are so inefficient because of their movement behavior, minecarts could help. Both of these need testing though

[@sfisher923]

I'm curious on why Moon Phase affects the Magma Cubes even though The Moon is not visible in The Nether

[@ilmango]

magma cube spawning is the same as slime spawning therefore the effects on local difficulty by the moon phase will also affect the average size of magma cubes minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Difficulty

[@williamdrum9899]

Copy-pasted code, that's why

[@breestringham1063]

Amazing designs! Thank you for all your designs!

[@ayeitzralphgaming8052]

What’s the new tutorial channel?

[@YounesLayachi]

Did you know magma cubes have a hard (tough) outer shell that gives them 10 armour points ? Only the inside is squishy, unlike slimes who are entirely squishy

[@messX90]

Builded the first one with the spawner, not easy on survival I can say that! Great farm and have to say the unloader is genious, have to make that in our build too! Great video again

[@webster1211]

First the warden farm and now this, nice job Mango 😎

[@minerxen]

Frog lights definitely look very nice.

[@volbla]

On hard difficulty and with 63+ days of world time, you need about 14 hours of chunk inhabitance to get the biggest slime sizes. The moon phase just puts a cap on that, so with a bad moon you can get away with less chunk time.

[@CeylaPlays]

7:32 - I've spent the last 10min or so trying to find ilmango's tutorial channel. Does it still exist? Was a design for an optimized 1D non-spawner frog light farm ever uploaded?

[@TimmyBlumberg]

Love this style of video with multiple options

[@norbucso]

Sweet setup. I wish I would update to 1.19 for this. Maybe I will.

[@Goofyguptaballs]

When will you cover the wireless redstone discovery by 2no2name? Seems like it could be incredibly useful. For example, teleporter networks would be possible with them. And remote on-off switches for farms or mob switches.

[@Reevin]

I suspect that the reason the frogs are less laggy on honey is because the code that checks if a frog can jump first looks to if it's Y level is an even amount corresponding with a blocks top (ie the frog isn't currently airborne), and the second is if there is room above for a jump. Makes me wonder what other blocks they wouldn't jump on.

[@SharpnessSword]

Thank you!!!!!! Just caught a bunch of tadpoles

[@SAwfulEPM]

It looks to me like there's room for two (or even three) of each frog in the Spawner design, honestly.

[@samaurel6619]

Where can I find that tutorial channel? Is it your 2nd channel in the description or another one altogether? I'd like to subscribe asap so an answer would be appreciated : )

[@ifishcat]

argh, which way is the dropper pointing?? great vid, thx!

[@_w1ll3m]

The mango uploaded again

[@YounesLayachi]

14:00 interesting , do honeyblocks cutdown on AI lag of other mobs too ? Like villagers for examples, the double carpet exploit has been patched, is there a benefit to making villagers stand on honeyblocks ? I have a ton of honeyblocks waiting for a use an a yes would be amazing xD

[@volbla]

I assume the frog lag comes from jump calculations, and honey makes the ai skip trying to jump since it limits the jump height. So it probably doesn't help the same way with any other mob, except maybe goats :3

[@VoltisArt]

Keeping the villagers from jumping would be the only benefit, if you prefer an open-air setup. You can also use it around the trading farm, to keep zombies from jumping to them.

[@Alex-si5te]

Ilmango comment section is easily the most intelligent comment section ive seen

[@davidsen1805]

Has anyone had reliability issues with the lava cauldron amethyst minecart collection system? Quite frequently when I come back to the overworld 1 or more of the minecart lines has stopped working.

[@actuallyakiwi5164]

Since in the multiplayer server that I play in mobs spawned trough spawners don't have AI, could it work If I just built a lava flow inside open (nether wood) fence gates, like in the skeleton farms, would I get maximum efficiency?

[@actuallyakiwi5164]

Or does light level affects spawning for magma cubes?

[@williamdrum9899]

​@@actuallyakiwi5164 Light level is irrelevant

[@PoobedUpCheese]

I noticed a lot of KZbinrs and posts on reddit mentioning that after long AFK sessions, the frogs are dying to the powdered snow somehow. Does adding honey blocks prevent the frogs from jumping 100% of the time? Would this effectively reduce frog deaths to 0?

[@lainwired3946]

For farm one, I suppose you could do a flying machine that rests just out of spawn radius to sweep them on top of the spawner? Prob not worth like you said tho

[@dirkoschlies9224]

What about an even distribution of frogs sitting in boats? Would prevent jumping and guarantee an even distribution

[@xxtrczlmjrxx]

Is there any way to build the portal based versions without them spawning in the portals? I was thinking using a golem and putting portals around it, and maybe adding a ring of portals every 3-4 blocks

[@hsyndicate7585]

I tried out a design based on that but did not scale up well, although it can make a simple to build farm that produces about 5000 frog lights and 500 magma creams with only 320 spawning spaces. So way simpler and a little faster then using a magma spawner. I then have a a larger one which I am still fine tuning that uses strips of portals with spawning platforms in between which is producing 80k and 8k. Neither one uses spawning inside portals and manages to almost keep the nether clear of mobs. What I have found to be the real limiting factor is how fast you can break down the large and medium cubes and get them to the frogs. I am my forth revision of the killing chamber which is near lossless on the magma creams using the and same large spawning setup as above initially was giving me 50k / 4.5k initially. So the biggest improvements in rates comes down to efficiency on the overworld side of things. I have a couple more long run tests to do to make sure it does not break, which can happen due to a uneven distribution of small magma cubes eventually killing frogs from entity cramming. Once I am sure I have that worked out I am going to double my setup on the nether side and see how it goes. I may also try attaching my killing chamber on the large portal based one from Ilmango for comparison. Eventually the limiting factor becomes mspt.

[@DaminGamerMC]

I suppose that if I built this somewhere that is not spawnchunks i would need a loader for the nether to continue spawning slimes?

[@narendracost]

Ilmango , when you will make your block by block tutorial channel , will you make tutorials for all the op farms in sci craft and all the farms you have done in this channel be4. I would love that

[@deadlypandaghost]

Whats the advantage of using a mule minecart unloader as opposed to a minecart station? The rails and max drops aren't large enough to worry about despawning. Edit: Specifically for the spawner farm.

[@tsuki7044]

is there an actual tutorial on the second one and where can i find it

[@legowelt0809]

Where is the improved nonportal farm? Dont see it anywhere

[@shh3ba55]

What's the beast way to get frogs in nether?

[@ilmango]

I'd say if you don't want to make some kind of automated system leads work pretty well to get them through the portal and then minecarts, boats or flying machines to get them to the farm.

[@shh3ba55]

@@ilmango i wasn't sure that player can use lead on frogs.

[@williamdrum9899]

If you encase yourself in dirt in the nether, you can actually place a tadpole bucket at your feet and spam right click with slime balls to have the tadpole grow up before it "reverse drowns".

[@Firigion]

I was wondering why you were tweeting about frogs.

[@ixusus]

What's the chance for a frog to die in the powder snow

[@user-mi9pw6km4n]

Anyone have problems with frogs dying or disappearing? No clue how it keeps happening

[@sfnsansub]

I just started to see your content i am kinda liking it. Ok so mnecraft has gone through many mechanics so i will you challege your shelf to make a farm in every version that add new mechanics into the game like making a wither farm in 1.8 or something

[@nobodynobodoy2695]

darn the world download doesn't also have the slime farm port

[@ex3qtor]

How come my frogs dont produce froglights, only magma cream? I`m playing on a 1.19.2 server and just built my farm in basalt delta roof. Not a single froglight came out :/

[@williamdrum9899]

Try holding a slime ball in your hand briefly and putting it away

[@puca4313]

The mud above the cauldron of lava for the first one isn't working for me?

[@drewhello2590]

what your telling me is we can already make a frog light farm that is so good that my pc would crash almost instantly

[@berringervids]

If one has a good working iron farm, could it not be nice to have mud as floor and hoppers directly underneath? Or is items going through mud blocks a bug that will be fixed in the future? Will try in creative because that's such a sweet thing!

[@williamdrum9899]

Not a bug. However frogs calculate where they would jump if they jumped right now, and do this a lot. This creates a lot of lag if you have a lot of frogs. If you prevent the frogs from jumping, all this math is skipped

[@OverEngineeredMistakes]

Weird idea but did someone try this lag reduction mechanic on villagers ? I mean frog keep jumping with the snow but generate less lag so maybe it’s less about preventing mob calculation and more about spaghetti code

[@mackthisarrowhearth295]

Is it possible to lead frogs? You can space them that way if possible

[@GG-bw5qd]

If you weren't using honey is there any chance that a frog could jump into the powdered snow frequently enough to take damage?

[@williamdrum9899]

No.

[@ii_goku]

hi my friend i need some help when frog eat the magma cube they give me a magma cream i try in my survival world 1000 time and they dosent give me frog lights i need help plssss

[@samw5983]

For videos like this it may be a good idea to add chapters for each farm

[@onurpekcetin7260]

Where should I AFK for the most efficent results in the first farm? Also doesn't powdered snow hurt the frogs?

[@williamdrum9899]

The frogs are never in the snow long enough to take damage

[@lordwootsee]

How much lag would there be if you used slime blocks instead of honey blocks?

[@TheEverWickedWonder]

I wonder if what effect lily pads have on the lag

[@sclosh7501]

Speaking of the last two portal farms, is it neccesary a nether chunk loader to keep them running on singleplayer? If so, how do I build it without messing up with the portal linking part?

[@ilmango]

no you AFK in the nether

[@YounesLayachi]

I love glass blocks but we desperately need an effective tool to break glass :(

[@essiegamepoint8770]

What is the command to summon a frog with a certain color im playing creative in a void biome so only Orange frogs spawn, does anyone know the command for Every color frog?

[@pugthemaster8]

Hey mango, any alternative to powdered snow in a spawner based farm? I play on a single biome mangrove swamp world so I have frogs but no powdered snow

[@VoltisArt]

Possibly not as efficient, but cactus with bait golems above (held with fences) might work for you, if you can get the cactus from a wandering trader.

[@oOtrilloXtremeOo]

what happens when you let a frog convert in the nether?

[@williamdrum9899]

It becomes a white frog

[@tabam]

The froglight is a transparent block?

[@Tosi31415]

Wow, I just made one yesterday

[@lainwired3946]

If powdered snow wasn't added, what would you have used instead out of interest

[@heatran4109]

That’s a very good question

[@lainwired3946]

@@heatran4109 thanks friend. I thought it was an interesting q

[@hsyndicate7585]

Entity cramming, force the cubes into a 1 tall room with chains/candles on floor to drop through to frogs.

[@headlessnotahorseman]

I made the first one, with the spawner. While I am afk, the frogs disappear. After running it most of today 2 out of 5 frogs disappeared. What could be the cause? The only difference is that the floor is made of shroomlight instead of froglight. I am playing on a spigot server which is semi vanilla but has some additional plugins, I'm not sure exactly what.

[@a2e5]

Could be some anti-lag plug-in doing the despawn. Maybe giving frogs name tags will persuade it to not despawn them?

[@headlessnotahorseman]

@@a2e5 I tried that but one disappeared. The server owner thinks it might be a vanilla issue, like the frogs are jumping too high or something.

[@xbit2011]

I noticed that the frogs get damaged by their own jumps! I lost one and started to monitor their health when one frog made a big leap and he lost half a heart. This is, at least in my book, a bug. Frogs are literally killing themselves with hopping to high and getting hurt. EDIT: To avoid fall damage from high jumps, just cover the whole area with powdered snow. It will prevent the frogs from high leaps and they are not taking any freeze damage.

[@norbucso]

You can disable the spawner with 49 glass blocks 1 block above the spawner. It's what I did.

[@chriss9303]

Magma cubes don't damage frogs?

[@liskurex]

they don't

[@chriss9303]

@@liskurex thanks

[@oblio]

I tried this (the initial farm with spawner and powdered snow) and my frogs are inexplicably disappearing. I don't know if they're despawning (unlikely) or dying (from the powder snow?). Do I have to name them, or... ?

[@ilmango]

really weird. I don't think it's possible they die in the powder snow, because they would need to spend some time in there, which isn't really possible

[@oblio]

I also tried combining honey and powder snow, but found the medium size cube sinks into the honey and thus avoids the snow. So, that's why the chain layer is necessary.

[@user-mi9pw6km4n]

Happening to me as well can’t figure it out

[@kelathos]

Can confirm, on my Realm SMP the frogs are slowly disappearing over the course of 24 hours AFK. They are sealed in the room with the spawner, only magma cubes and powder snow is in there with the frogs. Do frogs... jump into the solid block walls I encased the farm in? I don't have replay mod so I cannot watch them die. I am guessing they may be suffocating. No other ideas for how this is occurring. Will test with glass later.

[@hsyndicate7585]

@@ilmango Entity cramming is what killed my frogs in some of my designs when small cubes numbers spiked and did not distribute themselves evenly to chambers.

[@animatt1881]

just an idle thought, do you think this kind of farm in real life would be a humane method of treating frogs? I mean the frogs would be happy, assuming irl they are able to consume magma cubes safely Then we wouldn't have to worry about lighting anymore, we would just use froglights and everything works out

[@williamdrum9899]

Doubt it. There's no water!

[@BurntWaffleCake]

wait if frogs can drop slimeballs 100 percent of the time when they eat slimes can't you make slimefarms more efficient?

[@ilmango]

no. instead of getting 0-2 with an average of 1 you get 1. you don't gain anything except that in some farms where the mobcap is the limiting factor in theory it could be beneficial if the magma cube is eaten immediately, because the death animation that lasts 1 second also counts to the mobcap. There's no death animation when the cube is eaten unlike other ways of killing it. But I don't really see a way for the frogs to reliably eat the small slimes immediately, so in practice the farm would be slower

[@FenixGamesOficial]

Incrível 👏👏👏👏👏

[@TheEvilM]

After some tests I figured out that you can summon lag-friendly frog with high jump cooldown summon minecraft:frog ~ ~ ~ {Brain:{memories:{"minecraft:long_jump_cooling_down":{value:999999999}}}}

[@BigClipping]

sometimes the frogs will jump too high and eventually die. This can be avoided if you cover the snow layer completely so the frogs get slowed down on their jumps.

[@Slinel]

ilmangoose

[@AlexT_Mo]

Is the last one only for multi-player world? Single person world can work too?

[@ilmango]

yes. just AFK in the nether. the overworld will be loaded

[@AlexT_Mo]

@@ilmango Will it crash the world if I AFK very long in the nether and go back overworld?🤣

[@ilmango]

@@AlexT_Mo no. if you have everything in the 3x3 chunks around the portal everything will be processed. this video has info: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eGndaKSVpdydgpY

[@AlexT_Mo]

@@ilmango Oh I see! I forgot the chunk loader🤣 So only using The End to dupe many stuff will crash the world when AFK in the overworld long time🤔

[@pavatee]

My Minecart gets stuck at the Crystal and doesn’t glitch anymore. I thought it was because the hopper couldn’t pick it up, but the one facing the chest won’t collect items either they just sit on top of the rails. Any help would be greatly appreciated 🙏🏽

[@dragonmz5274]

Did you remember to put lava in the cauldron

[@xbit2011]

Check the unpowered 'powered rail' just behind the cauldron. Did you place it?

[@pavatee]

@@xbit2011 I honestly gave up on it and my friend found a tutorial for another hopper system that works 🤷🏽‍♂️ thanks thi

[@hsyndicate7585]

Usually that happens from items getting into the hopper under the cauldron.

[@MartinTreadgold]

somehow i can't get the powerdered snow to float mid air in 1,19

[@xbit2011]

Just put a support block under it and the powdered snow on top. Break the support block.

[@TechnoTron_]

Frog

[@THEULTIMATESULTAN]

I was just thinking to make a magma cream farm in a Bastion Cause it has spawners.... What a incident...

[@yiannchrst]

This question just hit me! What happened to Scicraft?

[@ugmagir2641]

k thx, luv u, bye

[@french7515]

would the spawner farm work in bedrock too?

[@Cera_01]

Yes, it should, although the hopper minecart system probably won't work.

[@petergenovas4505]

Could a farm be built on the nether roof without using a Magma cube spawner?

[@petergenovas4505]

Nevermind, I have watched the rest of the video

[@ilmango]

let's find out by watching my video...

[@petergenovas4505]

@@ilmango I'm sorry sir

[@pattyshipton4054]

Finish the video, lol

[@ShirakoTheFirst]

There are magma cube spawners? That's far more important imo......

[@heatran4109]

Only in treasure bastions The main reason it isn’t used (I think) is that magma cubes already spawn a lot in basalt deltas so we can make farms there, while if you use a spawner other mobs in nearby biomes could take up the mob cap a bit