4 Months In Portugal with Our 4 Pros & 4 Cons + Q&A 🇵🇹 (2021) | Expats Everywhere

Since arriving 4 months ago, we've identified 4 pros and 4 cons to living in Porto, Portugal. Several of them revolve around our actual apartment. We're sharing these with you all in hopes that if you're like us, you don't end up making the same mistakes we did.
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[@celiamendes9741]

Hello! Every house in Portugal has washing machines some have dryers, if you rent a place that is usually used by turists who stay for just a few days, you will not have one.Refrigerators are small because you are living in a country where people buy fresh food😃 isn' t that wonderfull?

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks, Celia. This is the reality for a lot of foreigners when they come to Portugal for the first 6-12 months before they find a place that they can settle in for longer so our information is highly targeted towards them. - Josh & Kalie

[@natflang]

My thoughts exactly, this is Europe...no mega-US fridges 🤣 or dryers that use a lot of energy!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

@@natflang But normal Portuguese places don't have dorm fridges or hotel sized fridges. Some of the ALs do though and people need to be away of that if they're renting it for months.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

@Abi Brown thanks for your input. We’re slightly addicted to bakeries. - Josh & Kalie

[@valentinaestacio6693]

@Abi Brown in Portugal thay delivery bread every day to the house 🏡 +++ bolos 🍰 etc. 🎂

[@alynnewenglnd]

Think “European” 🤨. Hear me out… Smaller refridgerators = Healthier, happier, successful population: smaller waisted, increased cardio, forced socialization, routine, small businesses kept, etc. Walking to the local market for FRESH produce, bread, milk, etc. GO PORTUGAL !

[@dickielarue1451]

I have lived here for over 4 year's...The best investment I made was purchasing a dryer for the Winter month's and or rainy day's...Samsung, ventless dryer is the bomb...The pros far outweigh the cons for me...Blessings and Positive Energy from Lisboa...

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

🥳 - Josh & Kalie

[@wiicow]

Brit who moved to Portugal last year. What a great country !

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks for sharing. We agree! - Josh & Kalie

[@zipinha]

About the fridges, we're used to go to the groceries every week or twice a week and we just don't have space for big ones. Older people would go almost every day to the neighbourhood grocery store. Normally we have a washer, dryers not so common. And humidity is so high in winter/spring in Porto. (this year has just been much more rain than last winters). Having a baby is really helpful to have an elevator and many buildings don't have one. But when there are, stairs to the elevator, yees, terrible! you find them all the time in the buildings everywhere, yes. Having a baby makes you notice that as it is hard. The dog stuff, it's true. Most people don't pick it up. The caffes existed all 20th century, the roasters is new concept because of tourism. Bica is in Lisbon. Don't say it in Porto. People in Porto were always nice hosts, and loved visitors. When tourism was too much in 2019, locals were tired and wouldn't be so nice for visitors. As the pandemic hit, we just miss talking to people, specially foreigners. I'll be glad to send you a list of bakeries in the center and pastries you need to try, local restaurants and wineries as well.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

It looks like you've been binge watching a little bit, Muki. Thanks for all the wonderful comments and detail you've put into it. 🙏 Feel free to send us whatever recommendations of food. - Josh & Kalie

[@zipinha]

@@ExpatsEverywhere eheh. I did find your channel early today and watched a few videos. I will send for sure and will be glad to help if you have more questions.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

@@zipinha Nice. Well thank you. 🙏 😊 - Josh & Kalie

[@Tao-ji2sb]

"...And humidity is so high in winter/spring in Porto." I went to Lisbon during the summer a few years back... and the humidity was unbearable in my hotel room specially at night... and that kept a sour note to this day.

[@SylvieShene]

I'm Portuguese and grew up in Porto. I moved to the United States in 1984 on my 25th birthday. And I have been living in Scottsdale, Arizona since 1985. I'm now almost 64 years old. When I moved here many Americans didn't know where Portugal was and now when I tell people I'm I'm originally from Portugal it's amazing how many people tell me they are moving to Portugal! Makes me wanting to move back. Oh yes, i miss the Portuguese bakery very much. Muitas Saudades

[@bootsonthegroundportugal]

Funny, I was in Phoenix for 28 years, parents in Scottsdale and we all moved to Caldas da Rainha in early 2021.

[@SylvieShene]

@@bootsonthegroundportugal That is funny! You lived in Phoenix and your parents in Scottsdale! And you all moved to Portugal?! I live really close to Fashion Square in one bedroom Condo I bought in 2009. I love my life here! I don't know if I could get used to living in Portugal again. My history there is not the best. My heart is constantly telling me to retire and sell my condo and move back to Europe but I'm thinking I might want to go to Vilanueva de La Serena, Spain where my niece and nephews from my Brother side live, he married a nice Spanish woman from there! The other day I glanced through a vedio you made about Gaia! That's where I lived growing up in Portugal! Really close to the Avenida da Republica and Santo Ovidio. But I was born in a tiny little village named Zoio close to Braganca, have you been there?! It's in the northeastern of Portugal in the province of Tras-OS-Montes, that translated into English is behind the mountains! You should visit in the summer because in the winter it gets a very chilly! I love watching your videos and see Portugal through your eyes! It's totally a different Portugal from the one I experienced growing up there! But of course a lot has changed since I moved away 41 years ago! First to London, then Providence Rhode Island and since 1985 Scottsdale AZ!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thank you to everyone that attended LIVE! That was so much fun! FOR THOSE NOT WATCHING LIVE - If you're watching this and you haven't subscribed, we would love to have you if you're interested in learning more about Portugal. Especially how to move here and what it's like living here. It's a goal of ours to bring practical information about being an expat in Portugal and the more people we can help, the better. Join us. Our next live chat will be when we hit 20k subscribers and we're close. Each one of you brings us closer and that's not lost on us at all. Thanks, Expats and Travelers! - Josh & Kalie

[@edknapp2758]

Thank you so much for the language app suggestions! Actually just started your D7 Visa course, and while it may be a few years before we can move there we are super excited about the possibility! We are planning for a visit to Portugal this summer after visiting family in Bulgaria. Will look forward to your coffee/wine suggestions as things open up so we can give them a try!

[@madisonlytle1258]

Ahh hearing your thoughts on community building and the friendliness of locals makes me so happy. It's hard moving to a new place, and people who care and are receptive to getting to know you make such a difference.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Yup, just put yourself out there in a natural way and you should be received well in general. Thanks for the comment, Madison! - Josh & Kalie

[@luisgarcez9776]

Kind of jealous here guys... cheers from a portuguese guy living in Canada👍

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks, Luis. Where in Canada are you? Canada is not so bad. We'd love to visit Letterkenny. - Josh & Kalie

[@luisgarcez9776]

Expats Everywhere I am located in Hamilton, half way between Toronto and Niagara Falls And yes, Canada its really great...

[@CartunesMr]

I also think dog's owners should be more responsible and clean it. You're totally right. Hope you enjoy this country :)

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Loving Portugal so far. 🇵🇹 Thanks for the comment. - Josh & Kalie

[@brooke9297]

Sad that so many videos by Americans living abroad talk about cons for a specific place that are almost entirely about missing US conveniences and resisting adapting to the European way of life. Im sure it’s helpful to some, but yeesh, it’s hard to weed through all the stuff about washers and needing to buy groceries more than once a week to get info specific to the area and not just to not-the-U.S.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

If that's what you got out of the cons, sorry. We've lived in Spain, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, and now Portugal, we're just fine at adapting to new places, but we can still have our preferences. - Josh & Kalie

[@morning_dew922]

Thank you so much for sharing your experience! I wanted to chime in regarding the mold issue and perhaps this might help someone else during the winter months. So my husband is English and he explains his family would use those metal drying racks you can use indoors and place them in front of their radiators. They live in the Noth East so they get a lot of rain and never had issues with mold. Something to at least try during the winter. Also, when I would visit him, the place I rented had a space heater (The ones that look like a thin tower) and I would use it for the same purpose if the place only had a washer. Not perfect, but at least it helps prevent mold. Also, in the US they sell these cloth "closets" that act as a dryer. It would be worth it to check if they sell then in Europe as well.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

You're welcome. Thanks for sharing yours. - Josh & Kalie

[@luisrivas3509]

Will definitely sign up for D7 course as we get to relocation date. Thank you for setting this up.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Awesome, Luis. You're welcome and thank you 🙏 We've been very happy with the reception so far and it was actually fun to create except the no wine for a week 😂 - Josh & Kalie

[@luisrivas3509]

So sorry I missed the live feed. Watching it now. Thanks again.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Glad you could catch it but would have loved to have you on live. It's all good. Next time! - Josh & Kalie

[@Solo50plus]

The fridge thing is more to do with the lifestyle in many European countries. They shop fresh and daily and in Portugal many people grow!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Yes, that's right. Although newer/more modern builds seem to have full fridges and cater towards a different lifestyle. - Josh & Kalie

[@nevinbeaver1111]

Nevin said if that’s the worst, Portugal must be even better than we thought! ~ Jen

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

😁 Everyone has their own things you know. But because of covid, our experience is different because it's not normal life right now. We're more sensitive about the short-comings of the apartment because we spend so much time in our apartment. You know? - Josh & Kalie

[@MrMalveira]

The fridge in Portugal is small becouse it is the household appliances that consume most power, and in Portugal the electricity is costly!!!!

[@leneekay1]

Looking forward to the upcoming videos of Porto's areas! Thanks :)

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Us too!! Thanks for the comment. - Josh & Kalie

[@calebben-avram4410]

Networking. So glad that is a thing. As former wine bar owners, we understand the importance of building relationships. That is what we hope for once we get to Porto. We are schmoozers from way back. We are hoping to arrive in Porto in September of 2021. As always, thank you for all the work you do and the info you share with all of us.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

It's really nice to know a bit more about you, Caleb. Are you planning to do something with wine here, besides drink it 😉? Networking is a lot of fun here because of how friendly people are. Thanks for the support. 🙏 - Josh & Kalie

[@calebben-avram4410]

@@ExpatsEverywhere We plan to drink our share of wine, but our days of owning and operating a wine bar are behind us. We enjoyed it, we met great people, had some remarkable perks, and were very successful (for which we are very grateful), but it is a lot of work and very long days. we now support the wine community by making sure we help to up the consumption level!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

@@calebben-avram4410 thanks incredible! What are said recommended and acceptable levels of consumption, just to make sure we’re doing our part too? 🍷 🥂- Josh & Kalie

[@nmanjos]

We actually call the 2 side by side door fridges "Americanos", Decent size Refrigerators are 500€ and up, so people get a smaller fridge for Rental Homes, actually you can rent a Furniture Less house and buy furniture for it, actually that is the normal rental ;)

[@BoneMachine28]

The word "Bica" (expresso coffee) is mostly used in Lisbon metropolitan area. In the rest of the country people say "Café"... In Porto some locals still exceptionally use the word "cimbalino".

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks for the comment. This is looking like general consensus. We've just opted for "cafê". - Josh & Kalie

[@BoneMachine28]

​@@ExpatsEverywhere you can't go wrong with that. Even in Porto the word "cimbalino" is pretty much extinct. It's no longer used in the suburbs nor in the city business center or historical center. But in the center south, namely near Lisbon, it's more prevalent to say "bica" instead of "café". As a northerner, I personally find it quite cringy... it doesn't even make any sense! lol

[@blatzphemy]

I just wish I found this channel sooner. You guys are great. The last thing I have to do is mail in my package in April to leave in July. I'm still waiting to fund a bank account with Atlantico. They have kept me waiting for weeks.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks, Michael! We're glad you found us too! Congrats on all the traction. We're really happy for you. The hard part is almost over unless you find the waiting game hard 😅 So glad to hear things are progress with Atlantico. Please keep us posted. - Josh & Kalie

[@ChelseaFuss]

I love my small fridge and drying my laundry in the sun! People walk to the store everyday here:) It also uses less energy. That's why your carbon footprint is smaller here:)

Bica, thats a No-No in Porto :D Thats a Lisbon expression. In Porto you ask for a Cimbalino, or simply coffee.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

We pretty much never order an espresso period and obviously can't right now anyways but we generally get pour over coffees and just say the name of the process of (Chemex, Aeropress, V60, ...) Thanks for the comment, Humberto. Good to see you. - Josh & Kalie

[@spedred]

@@ExpatsEverywhere There is a "certain rivalry" between Porto and Lisbon, mainly in football. So, there are names / expressions that "are prohibited" here in Porto.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

@@spedred We get that. It was the same in Madrid and Barcelona although there's a whole language that divides those two. - Josh & Kalie

[@briantlougan810]

Before I moved to Europe I was used to a huge Subzero refrigerator/freezer. I exchanged that for a my landlord's tiny cottage fridge leftover from communism, with rust liberally flaking off the bottom. After a few years I bought what would be a normal sized fridge in the US. But one big difference in habits here: I go to the grocery store every day. Which I like. It's 4 blocks from me and easily walkable. In the US you have a big fridge, you shop once a week. It probably involves using a car with which you can haul more stuff.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks for sharing, Briant. It's a valid point about the car situation. It does seem like in Porto that people take cars to the bigger grocery stores so they're probably not going to the store as frequently as every few days like us and you. - Josh & Kalie

[@SandraMarksWebster]

Thx for sharing the pros and cons! I learned lots of good tips that I plan on using.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Awesome! We're so glad it was helpful, Sandra. Good to hear from you. When is the move? - Josh & Kalie

[@brendapadilla7874]

I just found your channel and Love IT!! getting closer to retirement and living in NJ I know I won't be able to retire here :( I love my state but to expensive. I definitely going to visit portugal.

[@mariareid4908]

Our mommy’s and granny’s love doing their groceries shopping weekly at the “feiras” (market) how else would they find out the latest news (gossip) 😉 I say this with love ❤️

[@bristolishome8049]

So much of this is spot on! I'm an American in Bristol, England and we have the same issue with small fridges and issues with mold when drying laundry. Luckily we have a washer with a drier function all in one, but the "drier" is more like a dehumidifier for laundry; it dries, but can be 2-3 hours to dry sheets.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks for sharing. How are you getting on in Bristol? - Josh & Kalie

[@bristolishome8049]

Doing alright in Bristol, been here almost 6 years now! Most cons about living abroad become normal after a while as it just becomes part of everyday life. Although I do miss girl scout cookies this time of year!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

@@bristolishome8049 That’s so true. You know I’m from Bristol? Bristol, VA that is but Kalie and I have been to Bristol, England. It seems like a nice place. We have a funny story from there. What’s your favorite Girl Scout cookie? Kalie’s are Tagalongs and mine are Samoas. - Josh & Kalie

[@bristolishome8049]

Samoas all day!!

[@patriciaa9372]

'Bica' is a Lisbon/South expression. In Porto is 'café' or 'cimbalino' (pronounced simbalinoo) :)

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks for sharing. We've heard people here use the word but maybe they're not for Porto. 😁 - Josh & Kalie

[@MariaHelenaFarris]

GREAT info!!!! THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR INFO!!!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

You're very welcome. As you can see, this video is quite old so please make sure to check out the newer stuff to stay up to date on any visa processes. - Josh & Kalie

[@MariaHelenaFarris]

@@ExpatsEverywhere Absolutely!! Want to watch all your blogs (not posts as I stated earlier 😁 Just so grateful found it less then 24 hrs ago!

[@Constellasian]

Great and informative video. Portugal is a place I'm considering when I hit FIRE. I keep hearing many good things about this country.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

You should! 😍🔥 You got this. Let us know if we can help, John. - Josh & Kalie

[@janecurtis5555]

Love you guys you are so genuine and informative. Hubby and i are planning to move there in 5 yrs. Sounds amazing. Wish i could move sooner. Thank you

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks for the love, Jane. It seems like you're prepping early, but that's great. We're certainly glad to be a resource. We're going Live on YT soon to celebrate being in Portugal for 6 months. Thank you for the public sub and we hope you can make it to the live session this coming week! We'd love to connect with you there. Thank you very much for the compliment and sharing a little about you. 😊 - Josh & Kalie

[@Ignite2Transform]

I am moving to Gaia in 2 weeks! Woot❤️

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Let's go!!! Looking forward to meeting up. - Josh & Kalie

[@lulybsanto9439]

You are amazing !!! I am watching all the videos 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻😍😍😍 The only food poison I had in my life was in Belém Lisbon after eating 1 Pastel de Nata from the most famous place there !!!!! 🤢 I got literally green 😓

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thank you, Luly. Sorry to hear about that food poisoning. Yikes! Glad to hear you're watching all of our videos. - Josh & Kalie

[@MarI-Posa]

Fascinating insight into refrigerator problems 😂

[@SSolo3159]

Agree about coffee quality ‼️‼️Love better espresso for my daily string Americano w/a fat free vanilla steamed creamer‼️Delish🎈🎈🎈

[@alynnewenglnd]

COFFEE EPISODE? Yes, please. Sincerely, Fellow Coffee Snob

[@pedrocruz2109]

Hi again. Another piece of advice, this time regarding Kalie's 1st con, landromats. Usually kitchens in rental apartments are fully equiped. That means, fridge, oven, stove, dishwasher and washing machine. I would say microwave is also common. You are a victim :) of the AirBnB transformation. We are begining to have some laudromats like the ones you have in the US and like i've seen in Germany while I lived there, those big DYI ones. They are still not very common but you can find some in more residencial areas. Probably not where you live, since it's downtown, so the buildings are smaller and the apartments are more directed for turism. My advice for you is to stay away from those landromats that have a fancy front. Those are usually franchises and they are definetly expensive. I only use them when I have to wash expensive clothes, like suits, so a couple of times a year at most. There are some local landromats that are quite affordable and they sell packages. So they sell you a package of for example 100 pieces, wash and ironing for about, I don't know, about 30-40€? They give you a member card and they count the pieces everytime you come in. Little disclaimer though. I hate to be prejudice but you might have a language problem there. People working in those landromats are usually older ladies that will only speak portuguese. I really hate ironing so I use them for big pieces, like bed sheets and table covers. Stuff like that. They have industrial ironing machines so they put the sheet on one side and it comes out ironed and folded on the other side. :) The size of the piece doesn't really matter to them. Look for those. Ask around the cafes near your building. They will surelly know where to find one.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Good advice, Pedro. Unfortunately, in the area our first apartment was in, it was very central located with several of the chain laundromats. - Josh & Kalie

[@dinaroman382]

Bakeries are the best there!!

[@hellophoenix]

I watched the show live and the recorded one again 😃

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks, Abu. You're an all-star 🌟We loved hearing from you. You are in Saudi Arabia as well, right? Thanks for staying up with us. - Josh & Kalie

[@brendajackson3653]

I can totally identify with your #1 con - washer and dryer is super important in winter.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Kalie's got her washer and dryer now! 😊- Josh & Kalie

[@isellorganic]

Love your videos, I am tired of living here in the US. I have been researching for the past 2 years. I am also from VA,, Ashburn,,

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks for the love. Wooohooo...VA! - Josh & Kalie

[@georgealmeida9353]

In Portugal Eggs and chicken is not washed with bleaching products like usa I lived in usa and I know about that Eggs last up to 3 to 4 weeks out the fridge

[@aldaldeia1509]

I'm going thru the motions of changing my US drivers licence, FL, to the portuguese one. A local auto school is taking care of it. I was told that was a change in the law and you are now allowed to drive up to 2 years w. the US one. In O Porto expresso coffee is refered as Cimballino! Bica is used in Lisbon, but I go around asking for it the brazillian way: cafezinho...:)

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks for the update. We appreciate it. 🙏 - Josh & Kalie

[@kandicekardell9549]

I'm working with a realtor right now to secure a lease - SF VFS requires one now. Your videos have been helpful so far - just discovered your channel.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks, Kandice. Yes, for us and it's been like this for a while, the requirement is 6 months. We just did a video on giving advice on renting, it was timely considering an issue we just went through. Give it a look if you haven't This Sunday's video is about rentals. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iaHGfGepe9SLqsk Glad you've found us. If you need additional help, email us at [e-mail] kzbin.info/www/bejne/iaHGfGepe9SLqsk

[@JenShea]

I’m so sorry I missed your live! Boo! Great Live! TransferWise doesn’t have the debit card in Canada yet. Ugh. LOL What phone service are you using. I loved Vodafone.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks, Jen. It's okay but it would have been great to connect with you Live. Next time!! What do you mean they don't have a TW card in Canada!? We have Vodafone and we love it too. It's been very reliable for internet as well. - Josh & Kalie

[@luisv8431]

For phone service Vodafone is the best in Portugal, Monthly rates of 9,9€ including VAT, for 2000min conversation + 5GB internet

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Heard back from TW...debit card is only available for residents in the UK, Eurozone, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Japan and the US. Canada is in the works though. #BOLO 😅 - Josh & Kalie

[@lucchese20]

As always you guys are great. Really appreciate the work, the passion, the tips, the honesty-truly awesome. Looking forward to the restaurant and neighborhood crawls when we all get past this Covid thing. Also interested about the drivers license issue-not mentioned too often. Driving test in Italy is a bear!! Interesting point about smoking and dogs. Not sure if an agent would know, let alone tell you “BTW-the dude on the floor above you is a dancer and practices at midnight. You don’t mind do you?” 😀

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thank you so much for the amazing support. We appreciate it. 🥰🙏 We're definitely looking forward to getting into the neighborhoods. We love this stuff and it's a blessing to be able to create content. - Josh & Kalie

[@carolschurter3737]

Oh would love a coffee episode :)

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Me too 😁☕️ - Josh

[@oregonqpr2040]

Great video and a nice couple but an Arse shirt? Why do septics always support the big teams such front runners?😀 Being out of groceries every few days is a good thing as it affords the chance for exercise, interaction with locals and fresher ingredients.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thank you. I started follow Arsenal in 1998 when there were 4 English teams shown on TV in the US at the time (Arsenal, Liverpool, United, Newcastle). I was a defender and Arsenal had a bunch of no nonsense defenders that spoke to me. Kalie followed me so she also became an Arsenal fan. I feel bad for her because she's never seen us win anything but FA Cups, which isn't bad, but it isn't good either. 😁 - Josh & Kalie

[@IanWoolley]

I love Portugal, I vacation every year in Cascais it’s wonderful. .

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks for sharing, Ian. Portugal is pretty great. - Josh & Kalie

[@luisrivas3509]

Rental video, oh yes!!!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

We're on it. Would love to be shooting more and more often but it's on hold after this next episode. - Josh & Kalie

[@housemasterjay]

Small refrigerators are normal in Europe not just Portugal. Most Europeans buy food fresh every three or four days and don't leave things in the fridge for long. Normal in Europe. I agree about the dog poop on the sidewalks. There is a lot in Portugal. The owners fault!

[@romeufrancisco7041]

I can't believe you don't have a washing machine. Every appartment I have rented has one. The only exception I can think of is holiday appartments which are used for 1-2 weeks maximum by tourists.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Yea, it's certainly not the only places we've seen that doesn't but it's now become a part of our search filters. Our new apartment we just moved into, they just put one in brand new. - Josh & Kalie

[@gdaaps]

What about italians, are they liked there?

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

We don't hear to see many Italians at all. Not sure if they're liked or disliked. We don't hear of Portuguese people saying they dislike them. We know one Italian girl and she's never complained about it. - Josh & Kalie

[@oumunfeiholeto6885]

If it wasn’t for this damn virus I would be living in Cascais for a year now but I am stuck in Australia. I have been watching a lot of Portugal living videos and they made me more longing to move there. This planned virus is not going anywhere. I am grateful we had 2 months in Portugal during the Christmas period and it was wonderful. In 2 years, things have changed so drastically.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Have you seen Sophian's video? He moved from Sydney to Lisbon during the pandemic. - Josh & Kalie

[@oumunfeiholeto6885]

@@ExpatsEverywhere how could he have done that. We were locked in and no shipping company were sailing. I checked but the shipping companies wanted me to pack up stored in their storage till who knows when , but ships were not sailing. Now there is a dim hope Australia will open up. I hope so. Good luck to that guy.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

@@oumunfeiholeto6885 He ran into that problem and decided not to ship things.

[@mrsiz218]

I finally got to watch this!! So excited to make this move! Oooh I am with you on bakeries and coffee! WE LOVE COFFEE!!! When we get there I’m gonna bake you some cookies! Chocolate chunk! And we want to buy you a coffee! Looking forward to learning Portuguese too! I LOVE learning new languages! Already downloaded a program to start and i have Babbel on my phone. Oooh SkillShare for Portuguese? Who woulda thunk it?! I already have a subscription. Sweet!! Tetris fridge! I have a full size fridge and we do that. Things also tend to freeze in the back. My bestie calls it Jenga fridge! 😂😂Much love!❤️❤️

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Jenga fridge?! Does that mean if you pull the wrong thing then it all comes tumbling?! Sorry it took so long to respond, things got buried! Listen, we're def. up for coffee, cookies, tetris fridges and more. You let us know. Looking forward to you all getting here. - Josh & Kalie

[@mrsiz218]

@@ExpatsEverywhere 😂😂😂😂 YES! Freezer is the same! Can’t wait to see you guys in person! ❤️❤️

[@ChuloFernandez]

Thank you for the pros and cons, we are planning on moving to Portugal next year. We are determining which city is best for us, and your videos have been helpful.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

You're welcome! So glad that the videos have been helpful. Honestly, if we could travel, we'd love to show you more cities. When are you planning on moving? - Josh & Kalie

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

BTW-Almost forgot to say...Thanks for the public sub! New subscriber over here!!! ☝️ Thank you. 🙏🥰 - Josh & Kalie

[@antoniof9756]

Have to consider the kind of weather of each region: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugal#Climate

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

@@antoniof9756 You're right. Weather could play a big factor in people's decision. - Josh & Kalie

[@ChuloFernandez]

@@ExpatsEverywhere We had plans to move there this summer, before Covid. Due to finances (hello covid, goodbye savings) we have to put it off another year. I am hoping to be there by Dec/January 2021/2022. The big factor for us is we have 4 kids, ages ranging from 11 to 1 years old. So being in an area with international schools is the most important to our family.

[@leonjfborges]

About 200euros you can buy a washer. I used to buy food for a month, I use to buy a hole piglet and about 20kilos of beef, the same amount of fish and all would be in fridge/frizer. It’s both. In UK the average fridge in many houses is tiny, similar to a truck fridge.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks for sharing. The issue with some of these newer developed (AL) apartments is they don't have a washer/dryer hook up. - Josh & Kalie

[@leonjfborges]

@@ExpatsEverywhere normally if they are built from the 90’s on, they usually have it under the sink counter. Some are hidden behind the cabinets. If you notice a plug under the sink counter there’s the washer drain and in many cases you have also all the pre-installed system for dishwasher. The issue that you can find sometimes is that the tap for those machines weren’t installed but you have the pipping on the wall, and the place to install the tap you find a screw or something to cover it.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

@@leonjfborges Yes, that's right. The real issue at the end of the day is enough room and the fact that it's a rental. 😅- Josh

[@leonjfborges]

@@ExpatsEverywhere did you try to see if the landlord was willing to do it for you? Sometimes you can have it. I as a landlord usually try to see what’s possible or not, but all depends on the duration of the contract.

[@teodoro1007]

Little by little I´m watchig older very helpful videos. But, besides Singapore, have you experiences in the southern hemisphere, with the sun going the other way round? Just listening to the video, the orientation part made me smile a little 😀. After many years in Hamburg and many years in Buenos Aires it´s a mess. I choose Coimbra from Buenos Aires thanks to your vid, and really it´s even better than expected. I only was in Lisbon many years ago. Greetings! 🙂

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

It's pretty cool to hear that you're back through our older stuff, Teo. We've not lived in the southern hemisphere but traveled to Brazil and Australia a bit. - Josh & Kalie

[@boldmover]

Yes, in 2018 the Airbnb listing said that there is an elevator, BUT I had a walk-up about 12 steps before the elevator.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Yep. You know how it is. - Josh & Kalie

[@jeannecaronmimm4890]

jeanne and Bob Mimm Planning on moving May 2022, Thank you so much, great video from Pennsylvania

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Our pleasure, Jeanne and Bob! Let us know if you need any help. We've got a lot of videos on the channel about our process. - Josh & Kalie

[@brendajackson3653]

when buying groceries in Portugal, also give the cashier your NIF number because that way you can get tax rebate on it.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

That's right! We've actually covered that on another video. Thanks. - Josh & Kalie

[@serramcs]

Em Portugal diz o ditado " se não está bem, a porta é a serventia da casa" ...

[@gdaaps]

What would you suggest between Malta and Portugal for a retired expat who does not want to learn the local language?

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Tough because those can be two different lifestyles. It kind of depends on income level. Malta is more expensive than Portugal. In the larger cities in Portugal, you can get by without Portuguese. Would you need citizenship? - Josh & Kalie

[@migueloliveira4242]

I am portugueses from Porto city Portugal has 900 years old the age and porto is one oldest city in Portugal and same building is make is stone 700 and 800 years old , i am living in America when the houses is make in wood not have the same quality the Portugal and about the washer and dryer machine its dependaly the apartment do you rent , people speak very well english , the criminality in portugal is lower in world , life style is very good , i am the person is possebel see the difference because i live in different countries in world and i now the difference, is obvious not have perfect country in world but if compare America , Canada , Australia , NZ , and Uk , and Germany , Portugal is amazing place to live .

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks for sharing. We think Portugal is pretty amazing. - Josh & Kalie

[@lloydantunes4881]

BICA “espresso shot” meaning (Beba isso com açúcar). Drink that with sugar lol 😊 can’t wait to come back... I usually visit from toronto every year... I miss it ...

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

That's right. Hope you make it this year. - Josh & Kalie

[@richvangogh]

Yes! Coffee Roasters!!!!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Coffee woooooo ☕️🥳 - Josh & Kalie

[@carmelgrace6402]

excellent! i too am a big coffee wonderer !

[@cloudedjourney]

Interesting about the washer dryer. Would you be able to purchase one of those smaller apartment ones and have it shipped? or is that not worth it.

[@22gabinete23]

Hi nice the see your comments about the apartment conditions, because I'm in the project business architecture and engineering, so I started to put that in future projects, bigger kitchens of course my cliente must say before, hey this is for rent or selling to Americans. :) The question of the last level don't have elevator could be perhaps an option of the constructor, but generally the new building by law more or equal four levels must have elevators from de basement to the fourth minimum, generally when you have a case like that about the steeps, is in duplex apartments in the highest levels, with two doors entrance, the elevator goes to the main level entrance, nice chanel bye!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks for the comment. We appreciate it. Bye. Hope to see you around again. - Josh & Kalie

[@MrKrishluv]

Thanks for sharing good information. Please share step by step procedure to obtain residency after arrival under the D7 visa category.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

We have created a course for that for people applying from the US - Josh & Kalie

[@johnchavan4477]

Just heard you say that you are from Bristol. I am from Charlottesville. Thanks. John

[@nevinbeaver1111]

We would be interested in buying prices, houses vs apartments. ~ Jen

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Once we get start filming and such in these apartments, we'll create that kind of content too. - Josh & Kalie

[@Gwen-joyful-light]

Hey guys, thank you for all the hard work you're doing and can I ask if you can share the apartment search people "Living"? Thank you :)

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Liiiving is the company that we used. If you'd like a direct email line to them, we can pass that to you via email. Email us at [e-mail] - Josh & Kalie

[@tmj2101]

So glad I found you on YT! We are doing a recon trip to PT next spring. Assuming we love it as much as we think we will, we'll send in our D7 Visa applications upon our return. Wondering if we should try to open a bank account while over there. Do you have a video re: that info? I've seen much conflicting info about what you need to open the account. We're going apply for NIF online soon, unless we find that it's too early to do so. Muito Obrigado!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Nice! If you get your NIFs now, you can try to open a bank account while here. Just give yourself some time. We have a video about how we opened our bank account while here. For your NIF if you want to use bordr.io we have a discount code to save $10 on each NIF. "expatseverywhere" is the code. If you need any more help or have any additional questions, email [e-mail] and we'll try to help. - Josh & Kalie

[@bootsonthegroundportugal]

Lufthansa was TERRIBLE with my endangered species parrot, FYI. KLM is supposed to be good. Lufthansa with dogs and cats I think is good. I consult people because of everything we went through, thankfully she is ok now!

[@suzh5789]

Ohhhh coffee roasters!!! I would love to find good coffee!!! I am not into the Sical! 😀

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Sorry Soo Haywood, I forget where you're based. - Josh

[@suzh5789]

@@ExpatsEverywhere hi Josh! Just near Coimbra! ☕️

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

@@suzh5789 🥰 We haven’t been to Coimbra to vet any of the roasters. But let’s see. We know what you mean about Sical. - Josh

[@tonebanderas]

As a Portuguese born and raised, I'll say Portuguese streets are filled with litter - at least where I live. How is Porto and how does it compares to other countries?

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Porto isn't bad at all from where we've walked. It's not Singapore but we wouldn't say there's litter filled streets. You know? Thanks for the comment, Tone Banderas! Love it. Great question! - Josh & Kalie

[@Nulife23]

Great info!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Glad you think so. Thanks for watching! - Josh & Kalie

[@CarianneRHixson]

You guys are so cute omg haha

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

🥰 Thanks, Carianne. - Josh & Kalie

[@tinabrickley8157]

From your Pros & Cons I can't figure out what you love about living there so much? I mean good coffee, bakeries and friendly people sound nice but no washer/dryer when you have a baby, tiny fridge and damp climate with cold wet floors in winter and zillions of stairs to climb with groceries and a baby? I guess it helps to be young and physically healthy to tackle all this but I wonder how the elderly and physically challenged deal with all this?

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Hi Tina, it really helps to choose your apartment wisely is what it is. Although, we moved at a time when it wasn't possible to visit the property and we were told that the building had an elevator, which it does but it wasn't stated that we needed to climb stairs first. What we love about living here is the people, the safety, the laidback culture and at the time we accepted the reality that our living situation wasn't ideal. We've since moved and we're in a much more fitting place and we're looking to buy. - Josh & Kalie

[@tinabrickley8157]

@@ExpatsEverywhere Glad to hear you found an easier living solution in your newer place. Best of luck to you in finding your future home as homeowners. I've only been to Italy and was definitely stunned by its beauty and charm. I would love to explore Spain, Portugal and Turkey. I am fascinated with people who are brave enough to move to other countries. Unfortunately, I have some physical challenges doing a lot of walking, especially up and down stairs and on unlevel surfaces. I imagine Portugal has lot of hills and stairs. I also read somewhere online that a lot of public transportation in Portugal is not handicap accessible but am not sure about the truth of that.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

@@tinabrickley8157 Lisbon isn't great for handicap

[@tumdeedaidee7835]

Thanks for the vid, only one negative is that Arse nal shirt. 😉

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

😂come on, J H. Thanks for the comment though - Josh & Kalie

[@luisv8431]

Regarding your home comments it all depends what equipment you have in the house you rent or if you want to purchase new one to fit your needs. The dog poop is a problem over the country, and is regulated by law, with a fine of 500€ for the owners that don't pick their dog poop. Where I live all owners must registered their dog with a chip and get Vaccinated. Other concern is the dogs abandoned by owners that live in the cities

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Regarding the home, that's what we're warning people of. To be aware of things that need to be considered. Thanks for your input government's stance on dog 💩 - Josh & Kalie

[@Ariesmonique]

A con for living in Portugal is not have bought a washer/dryer? Fridge to small? What does that have to do with living in Portugal? Buy them.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Sorry...it's connected to the "OUR 4 Pros & Cons". Just to give context, these live sessions are very community driven. We understand that KZbin delivers impressions for these videos to people a large but when we do a Live, it's to interact with our audience and do deliver contextual information to them. Does that make sense? In saying that, when most people arrive to Portugal, they're going to rent for a little bit and we think it's important to find out how big the fridge is and if it has a washer and dryer. It was something that we made a false assumption on based on the way the kitchen was laid out. There were important things higher on our list at the time and then when we found out that these things were missing or not what we expected it was Con for us after 4 months. We're renting and there's no room to put them or hook them up so we can't buy them. It's all good though. We're hoping people don't make the same mistake that we did. - Josh & Kalie

[@romeufrancisco7041]

About dog poo, it is like a plague in every Portuguese cities. The problem is actually the total lack of civism of most dog owners. Most don't care about picking up the pile of dung and just walk away. It is a huge problem, and that has been getting worse and worse in the last 20 years, as people prefer to own a dog than have kids. And they don't mind living in a complete mess at their small appartments, owning big dogs. For me at least, this is a serious issue. If I complain, I'm imediately tagged as an animal hater, which is far from being true for several reasons (I work in the environment). I just hate filthy dog owners.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

We're not fans of bad dog owners either. As we've toured Portugal this summer, we noticed that some places are better/worse than others with the poo. - Josh & Kalie

[@Relaxaele]

You must be living in a renting for tourists hehe for the lack of washing machine or small fridge 😅 best coffee in Portugal is the brand Delta, it's Portuguese :)

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

We love you Silvia but you lost us a Delta is the best coffee. 😊 Yes, definitely a tourist housing situation but as we've explained in other comments. This is situation that many of us get into when moving here before we find somewhere more permanent. We're sure that it's a situation that a local wouldn't understand at all because you don't have to migrate into your own country with certainly housing requirements that are placed on foreigners in the visa process. So we're trying to help people navigate that. Thanks for the comment. Awesome profile pic! 🔥 - Josh & Kalie

[@Relaxaele]

@@ExpatsEverywhere ofcourse I know :) but I've been enjoying your videos and meant no criticism, just commenting so people don't start to think wrongly about housing in Portugal 💗

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

@@Relaxaele Thank you. We didn't take it as criticism although we do get plenty of that too from people. 😅 It's just that these are the common things that people might get themselves into initially when they move here without realizing it. So, it's a warning. - Josh & Kalie

[@robertalexander6230]

My wife and I are thinking of moving to Portugal after retirement and wanted to get an idea of things in Portugal. We are planning a visit when this pandemic is under control but would like to meet up with a group when we visit.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

We hope to have a fun ExpatsEverywhere party or 10! 😁 - Josh & Kalie

[@ROliveirainrb]

When covid restrictions are gone, please you have to visit Aveiro area!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Will do. - Josh & Kalie

[@pedrocruz2109]

As far as I know, you can have dual citizenship. I think it's very common. Don't forget Portugal has a history with colonization that dates to the 15th century and we abdicated all colonies after the colapse of the fascist regime in 1974 after the Carnation Revolution, except from Macau that was returned to China in 1999 as established by the treaty between the two countries. So it's very common to have people from former colonies to apply for dual citizanship. It's easier for them for obvious reasons but I believe the law is the same wherever you come from. If you can't have a dual citizenship it must be due some US law restriction.

[@jaimecosta2966]

Some people nead to be educated and take the dog out and a bag some Parques provide the bags so they can place it in the proper dispenser unfortunately lot of animals owners stil don't do it...

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

True story. Thanks for the comment, Jaime. Good to see you again. - Josh & Kalie

[@BoneMachine28]

Any traditional house has a washing / dryer machine. Rented apartments or rented houses usually don't have it, such appliances have to be purchased by the tenant. Moreover, I also lived in Southeast Asia, and there no rented house nor apartment / studio has a washing/dryer machine, for most people there use laundry shops to wash their clothes! So I don't get what you are talking about.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Most people moving here will end up renting something for the first 6 months and these places tend to cater to short-term and thus don't have washers and dryers. We've also lived in SEA and never had a problem with a washer although the dryers didn't work very well and we still needed to hang the clothes to dry. Fortunately, the climate there was conducive to quicker drying. Some lower rent places in SEA will certainly not have a washers but the middle class to upper class homes will have washers (possibly HK excluded due to space). - Josh & Kalie

[@BoneMachine28]

​@@ExpatsEverywhere perhaps things have changed significatively since I moved back. I lived 6 years or so in SEA and relocated to Portugal almost ten years ago... although I still went back there in 2014 for almost another whole year. That last time, I lived in Bangkok... and now I remember that the apartment I rented actually had a washer/dryer! Previously to that, I used to live in condos that were notoriously upscale by comparison with the housing standards of the local medium class. The condos had plenty of fancy/posh things such as gym, large swimming pool, laundry service (they'd colect the clothes, wash, iron, and deliver them to your apt door), bar, restaurants, doorman, security guards, and so on and so forth, but no washers nor dryers in the apartments. According to my experience, I'm only familiar with Thailand and Singapore even though I often used to visit pretty much every neighbouring country. Indonesia, Philippines, Macau and HK were the exceptions.

[@GOWalksPortugal]

Moving here during covid times was probably tricky! And you have a baby and no washing machine?? OMG 😕😕😕 Well I hope you enjoy your life here 🤗 come visit me in Central Portugal! Cheers!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks! It wasn't too bad. We documented that journey on here so it's not too bad. We're certainly enjoying our life a lot right now. Thank you for the offer. We're up for a visit. Let's see when we can travel again. - Josh & Kalie

[@seamusp5991]

Thank you both for a great channel - the information and your presentation are phenomenal. One question (& I apologize if you talked about this elsewhere) - can you speak about cannabis culture in Portugal? Are there clubs? Is it easy to buy? My understanding is that it is legal, at least to buy and consume personally. Thanks!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

You're welcome. We appreciate the kind comment. To be honest, we don't know much about the cannabis culture here in Porto let alone Portugal. We've seen what appears to be a few shops or cafes. We don't see CBD getting marketed here the same as we do in the US, but we're sure it exists somewhat. You will definitely smell it in the air as you walk by people smoking. It's probably not difficult to buy legally, or otherwise. - Josh & Kalie

[@seamusp5991]

Thanks for the information. I just discovered your channel, as I start to get a little prospective about retiring someday while I’m still young enough to enjoy it maximally. I subscribed right away and am going through your past vids, loving them. Thanks again.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

@@seamusp5991 You're welcome. Thanks, Seamus. We appreciate your positivity towards the channel. We're working hard to improve our content and get stuff out there to help people. We appreciate you subscribing and hope you can make the next Live. - Josh & Kalie

[@kryptosurfer420]

Thanks for taking the time, guys! Btw once you start the process and get the D7 visa, is there a specific timeframe within which you HAVE TO move to Portugal, or is more open-ended?

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

You're very welcome. It's not open-ended as you have to give your flight date for when you're going to fly there so that'll go with your paperwork. Now saying that, those flight have been known to change especially now because of the pandemic, but in general, you're expected to arrive in Portugal on a given date. - Josh & Kalie

[@kryptosurfer420]

@@ExpatsEverywhere gotcha. Thank you guys!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

@@kryptosurfer420 You're welcome. Our pleasure. - Josh & Kalie

[@ninobk196]

You have around 3 months to arrive in Portugal ..

[@kryptosurfer420]

@@ninobk196 thank you! Do you mean 3 months after the visa is approved?

[@m000Theevilcow]

The first two cons aren´t exactly cons, Americans are way too spoiled ;DD, but if it helps and you don't like going out for groceries here´s a tip for ya, use the Glovo app and have it delivered at home, I do it mainly with COVID learking around. Stay away from ground floor flats, my advice is to go for the top floor flat to avoid being bothered by those noisy neighbors. True.. way too many dog owners these days, I had 2 dogs and always picked it up afterward but the majority of dog owners will not, that´s why I sometimes say that dog owners are pigs, take with a pinch of salt, yes that CON I totally agree, Portuguese government should have city employees policing it making sure people start to behave differently. Actually, you would very much appreciate a flat that is east to west instead of south/north because the amount of sunlight in the first is bigger and that prevents humidity a whole lot more.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

It's funny you say Americans are spoiled and then follow it up by recommending to have groceries delivered. 😂 Thanks for your comment. Good to read your point of view. - Josh & Kalie

[@m000Theevilcow]

@@ExpatsEverywhere well considering the times we all are experiencing I believe it counters at some level possible transmissions while keeping that micro fridge stocked 😁😁😁😉👌

[@momoreno306]

hey guys, they closed all sef appts until 3/30 is what i heard. not sure how accurate that is but i recall reading this just the other day.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

www.sef.pt/pt/pages/noticia-sef.aspx?nID=862 Looks like it happened last week. We can't tell from the update when they'll allow regular appointments again. - Josh & Kalie

[@migueloliveira4242]

Listen gus never forgot in Porto sponser FCPORTO is best way make a lot friends , haha....

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

😁

[@deborahlarive7711]

When will Portugal open up again to American tourists that are interested in moving to Portugal?

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

We don't have a solid indication but we're imagining at some point this summer. They'll want tourism money. - Josh & Kalie