4 Reasons why the MS-1 is REPLACING my SP-202

[@NeverToBeSeenAgain]

Pitch + Lofi1 assure my 202 will never leave my studio.

[@atetraxx]

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[@nintendoor1]

I got mine for $50 off of craigslist, and it has a few dead pixels, but I feel like I really made out. This is my very first sampler, and having tried and been intimidated by the 404, I love how accessible and easy it is. So glad I was able to get my foot in the door with this one

[@spvidz]

Nice! Yeah it’s pretty easy to pick up. The looper is quite fun too. I might try a project with just that at some point. Could make for some interesting results

[@nintendoor1]

@@spvidz I’m interested in hearing any insight you may have on it! I am a longtime guitarist and studio musician, but I am absolutely green when it comes to samplers and MIDI. keep up the good work!

[@rustymixer2886]

​@@spvidzDoes ms1 or su200 or whatever let you individually pitch each pad different?

[@rustymixer2886]

​@@spvidzdoes it need memory card to function work or can you use it turn it on make beats without card

[@rustymixer2886]

Does ms1 or su200 or whatever let you individually pitch each pad different?

[@I.O.M.]

Super interesting with the through. So sample rate is actually an effect while Sp202 it really is the sample rate your recording at. Let 202 go once and bought it again for lofi 1 pitch/shift and filter 1. Just can’t be beat when you need them.

[@spvidz]

I do like filter 1!

[@I.O.M.]

Would be awesome if future update on the MKII was recording at 202 sample rates 👍

[@spvidz]

That would be incredible!

[@I.O.M.]

@@spvidz Yes it would!!!

[@rorz999]

​@@I.O.M.that's my number one most wanted feature for the MK2. A '202' effect that emulates the different sample grades

[@nufe]

I never used the lo-fi setting when I had the SP-202. I spent ages trying to find a compatible CF card and when I found out it could only play one sample off the CF card at a time was when I decided to get rid of it. They over-sold the features. It wasn't clear in the manual about it's limited polyphony. I don't regret selling it. It sounded good but was just too limited and trying to get a clean loop was a pain in the arse.

[@spvidz]

Yeah its definitely something that needs to be used with another bit of gear. Either a newer SP or a laptop. Its more of a processing unit for me. A very slow one...lol

[@eyesintheskies]

You know I never noticed you could just use it as an effect, not having any cards for it. Time to dig it out and dust it off!. That is really handy to know, thank you for the tip👍

[@spvidz]

Ah, just replied to your other comment haha. Glad to show you that 🙏

[@eyesintheskies]

👍Thanks for your reply. & just read in the other comments you were lucky enough to get one with the memory card, there like goldust and crazy prices, did read somewhere that someone managed to get a pcmia to cf card adaptor to work but only after much trial and error with brands and updating the o.s,. Hard to find a definitive answer on some of those forums! But yeh cheers fo the motivation to find mine, it’s buried in here somewhere 😂@@spvidz

[@Deatg-ek8rf]

I sold my MS-1. Never selling my 202 or S90 or Asr10. I'd rake the SP202 over the MS-1 any day.

[@MicrophonesInTheTrees]

Advantages of the MS1 over the 202 - A) more options for triggering samples; B) the sample rate/global pitch on the MS-1 is sampling AND playback, so you can tune samples you have to the sample you're taking; C) extra memory is much cheaper (PCMCIA to CF adaptor plus late 90s 20mb Sandisk CF = £15) ; D) numeric start/end (altho see below); E) MUTE GROUP!!!; F) volume setting per sample; G) in-sample looping; H) basic chop; I) linear real-time sequencer. Advantages of the 202 over MS1 - A) filter/effects; B) BPM read out; C) Mark button is actually a nice easy way of setting start/end; D) sample reverse; E) grungier sample rates can sound 'boss' for some things. My entire set-up is an MS-1, SP202, Lexicon LXP-5 and Boss Micro BR. I build up tracks by multi-tracking, playing 'live'.

[@spvidz]

Thanks for sharing the knowledge 🙌

[@Ross_Antonich]

Great video SP! I’m going to have to keep my out for a MS-1. Those features are awesome and the thru FX sound so good! I’m currently trying to buy a MPC500

[@spvidz]

Interesting man! I’d quite like an MPC 1000 but I’m thinking maybe I should look into different gear moving forward. Don’t think I need more samplers….🤔

[@Ross_Antonich]

@@spvidz yoooo I have a 1000 and can’t recommend it enough! The master EQ and compression are worth it alone--many filtering options and onboard effects make it an awesome MPC as well. The sequencer rocks!

[@spvidz]

damn, not what I needed to hear lol!

[@Ross_Antonich]

@@spvidz 😂😂😂

[@daehtnulb]

1000 with the larger screen and JJOS ftw! JJOS has many/much of the features/functionality you missed in the 2000xl. 4 assignable mix outs on top of the stereo outs if you have an analog mixer to pair 😎 2 midi ins and 2 midi outs. But don’t get it just cause of all that, lol.

[@SD-ff1je]

Bought your beat packs. Very good value, especially with the deal :-) Keep cooking!

[@spvidz]

Thanks a lot! Really appreciate the support 🙌

[@rorz999]

I respect your opinion. I just prefer the sound of the 202. Lofi2 is admittedly useless, but Lofi1 is my favourite sounding thing in the world!

[@spvidz]

Nice man! I’ll have to try it properly again sometime. Maybe I could do a beat making video using it 🙌

[@MicrophonesInTheTrees]

Lo-fi 2 isn't useless. Try this... take a sample (using auto sample) with standard, then do the same sample on lo-fi 2, again using auto. Then use the LPF on the lo-fi 2 sample. What are you left with? MONSTER bass. Trigger the Standard and lo-fi 2 sample together and you have a PHAT sample.

[@anthonyb.2983]

The MS-1 is more portable, and takes up less space in your studio setup. I believe the MS-1’s will become more valuable than the sp202 soon. They are a little more difficult to come across these days, so they already may be.

[@spvidz]

Also good points man yeah, its nice and streamline unlike the 202 which is pretty bulky!

[@anthonyb.2983]

@@spvidz Yeah, the MS-1 fits in the front pocket of a backpack or laptop nicely, and travels well with a 404. Have you ever thought up getting the DigDugDiy 12 bit mod for your MS-1?

[@wheelsfalloff]

MS1 was my first sampler, but I was always running out of memory. I remember getting so excited ordering the memory card for it...8mb! (way to make me feel old) Does the sp404mk2 have a numerical setting for sample lengths? I remember setting all my loop samples to the same values on the MS1 but on the sp404 seems like its more "close enough"

[@spvidz]

It does yes, go into start/end on the sample of choice and then hit shift + value wheel to enter a screen where you can do that

[@wheelsfalloff]

@@spvidz amazing...thank you!

[@pongtrometer]

Noice, love the live through previewing, nice expansion and slight compression on the ms1. Cheers

[@spvidz]

Thanks for tuning in 🙌

[@pongtrometer]

@@spvidz nice.. I just picked one up , should get it next week, i never knew about the live filter for processing…. If that filter was on the AKAI S900, I Would use it more often, it’s just great to have live processing for Aux send/return fx, then you can season the tracks to taste and gel the sound more.

[@spvidz]

Absolutely. It does sound slightly better if you record it into the unit but this is too convenient. I rarely record into it any more and just use it like and FX pedal

[@pongtrometer]

@@spvidz cheers

[@pongtrometer]

@@spvidz I’m looking forward to using as an aux send fx, rather than on the stereo master bus, then you can’t colour to taste different amounts on each channel.

[@b33lz]

I would love to see your opinion on the sonicware lofi12.

[@spvidz]

Coming very soon 👀

[@ianwebb9859]

I had an ms1 for years and I loved it and the buttons started getting corroded and I didn't bother fixing it I just sold it and now I regret not having an ms1. I loved that thing it was so simple. I'm considering getting an akai mpx8 but apparently it's totally crappy so I don't know what to do for a really cheap sampler. I just need to play samples!

[@spvidz]

That's the problem with older gear unfortunately, they do have a life-span and those that can fix them are a dying breed!

[@DJZofPCB]

whats the story on the memory card? can you swap between both macines?

[@spvidz]

You can’t no. The memory card for the ms1 is huge. I’ve never seen that type before buying this unit. I need to see if I can get it running with my machine. I’ve just been using internal memory. Same with the 202

[@MS-1]

Long 2 is the secret sauce when sampled in hot at peak level 16. (The sequencer is slept on too and, the through). The analog to digital conversion followed by resampling into an MPC 2KXL also hot makes it priceless. I never cared for the 202 personally and, waited years for the SP404MK2 to pair with the MS-1 and, MPC 2KXL via midi. Glad you understand how dope the MS-1 is.

[@spvidz]

I love it man! One of my favourite bits of gear for sure! 🙌

[@lostcrow]

3:26 Yeah this is the same as the Yamaha SU10, which is really annoying lol There is no resample option either (boo!) 😂 I tend to use my SU10 for vocal / dialogue samples only, so I can use the lower grade and get more sample time which lets me get away with the lower quality.

[@micy80]

@@lostcrow I am thorn between the SU10 and the MS-1. Would you mind helping me decide? Appreciated!

[@vaughnmiller4371]

The MS-1 is the predecessor to all of the SP line. Purchase my new back in the day and still have it. I use it for grittiness along with my Ensonic Mirage sampler. 😎

[@spvidz]

Nice! It’s a great little bit of gear I love mine!

[@MrCosmicVictory]

this makes me appreciate my sp404mk2 soooo much more lol

[@spvidz]

The mk2 is great but You can’t get that kind of texture from it easily. These are great companion devices for processing samples and that’s what I use them both for. I wouldn’t use either of these as stand-alone beat making devices

[@CleanConnections]

My first sampler! Stopped using it because it didn’t have a memory card and there like one rare defunct brand it will actually play with. If anyone knows of a work around or if you’ve had luck modding one please do let me know 🙏

[@spvidz]

can you not just use the internal memory or is it not enough for you? Mine came with a card but I've not tried using it yet. I just use internal

[@MicrophonesInTheTrees]

PCMCIA to CF adaptor and a 90s Sandisk CF card (black and white) work.

[@darealdibiase_]

Great video !!! I gotta repair my Ms-1 asap

[@spvidz]

Definitely do it! 🙌

[@grillmeisterflash]

good choice, since you own the 303 i would keep this unit instead

[@odarquehunnett200]

OK … but there’s still the issue of memory and storage of samples. The medium it uses/used is extremely rare to find, even more so than the 202. What is your workaround for this?

[@MicrophonesInTheTrees]

PCMCIA to CF adaptor and 90s Sandisk CF cards work.

[@raymondo1021]

Okay.. I have the sp202! With the memory card. My first and only sampler to date . Being a bass guitar player I hadn't a clue about samplers , until my keyboard muso friend pointed me in the direction of these samplers . A few years back .I'm not a beat maker - more effects with metal or ambient music . I loved the look of the sp202 and purchased that . However, I believe that the sp404sx is the way to go for my requirements ..only because it is more up to date and built in a similar manner . I too am thinking of offloading the sp202 if my bid for the 404sx is successful today 🤔😼. Some people on forums say " keep it / why not use both?" Not sure . Your thoughts ? Anyway ; did you sell yours ? In your shoes as it's all sp ..I'd keep it just for the collection and the name of your channel . Cheers 😺

[@spvidz]

The 202 is very limited thats all I'll say. I've kept mine and use it now and again but the MS-1 is my go-to now for that kind of sound. The SX is a massive improvement in terms of FX etc but the later models don't come with the option to use different sample rates which makes the 202 so useful. If thats not the reason you need it, the sx will be a lot more useful to you

[@raymondo1021]

@@spvidz thanks for that . I won bid , and should receive it this week. I didn’t know that there were different versions of the sp404 sx 🙀. Is there a way of checking ? Thanks 😼

[@dannydaniel8975]

The ms 1 and my tascam porta studio 424 mk 2, as Popeye the sailor man would say: "can't be beated"

[@spvidz]

Nice lil setup! 👌

[@dannydaniel8975]

@@spvidz The magic happens when I add my old nasty sounding alesis 3630 compressor

[@spvidz]

Man honestly I need to focus on more gear like that. Blown too much on different samplers 😂😭

[@dannydaniel8975]

@@spvidz The Joe Meek stuff is great for making lo fi music.....

[@thearki-vist6050]

Son202 OG

[@spvidz]

Where the whole SP range started! 🔥

[@WesNavy]

You think the ms-1 could be used as just a loop machine? Find a drum loop then a sample loop .

[@abelanc1090]

Now get an Elektron Digitakt or Octatrack and sequence the crap out of the beat.

[@thearki-vist6050]

SP 202 gritty still . Yes 202 limited

[@uhuhtapes]

The mark button not intuitive? Thats must be about the most ridiculous thing Ive heard. I think its one of the most intuitive functions of the SP series. Missing it on other samplers and some of the SP’s.

[@emirarifin]

Just bought the MS-1 because of you haha, does your MS-1 comes with the memory card? Mine doesnt and cant find it in the market, what a bummer Sending from indonesia! 💪🏽

[@spvidz]

Mine did actually come with one but I’ve not touched it yet. I’ll have a look and see if I can get it working with the machine. I’ve never seen that type of memory card before it’s huge!

[@opticalman6417]

i used to have one of those in the 90s so didnt like the ms1

[@BishopEddie5443]

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