4 Things We Will Miss Most in Wrath

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[@brendanbrown5935]

The Irony is all the reasons you hold Blood Furnace in high regard are also the reasons that nobody runs it.

[@Toast-cc7gr]

This is beyond true, I did it twice in its pre nerf state, and the group took over an hour to clear with multiple wipes due to people getting rng one shot. Tbc heroics on launch weren't fun because unlike retail M+ the difficulty didn't match the reward at all.

[@Guanjyn]

I’m not going to miss seal twisting and having to watch a swing timer.

[@AltamaRemarion]

I'm not gonna miss the overtuned tank damage in the heroics. The difficulty should be met with equal rewards in my opinion, in order to incentive doing them.

[@thugsnbugs1250]

I agree on the dungeons, I loved getting my ass handed to me while tanking BF and having to CC or MC those Orcs just to live. It gave a unique spin on it instead of just blasting through it. Would love Mythic style Wrath dungeons or something to that extent instead of the "AOE it down no one do any mechanics" that it will be. It is the one thing retail did right in terms of fun consistent challenging content.

[@lancer8889]

It's interesting how one of the reasons cata heroics were considered "hard" back when they released was because the entire playerbase had become so unbelievably braindead by the end of wrath because of how easy AOEing through heroics had become.

[@Valvad0ss]

Lmaoooo that’s so true tho lol

[@lucianalliancestargate6475]

I wouldn't say they were hard, just boring. CC ing is not fun and engaging game play to me.

[@frankspike4062]

@@lucianalliancestargate6475 Mindless AoEing everything certainly is not fun to me.

[@frankspike4062]

Indeed. If i remember they quickly nerfed some parts of Heroics in Cata because of all the wrath babies crying. I kinda stopped playing after that, Raids were still nice but it's even more fun when there is some (small) challenge in dungeons too. Otherwise it's just mindless farming dungeons... yawn.

[@cococock2418]

Good. CC'ing is boring as fuck.

[@chazfernandes9840]

The BF waves are fel orcs if we wanna get technical lol

[@akademikbirey6673]

Back at TBC vanilla, some heroic mechanics felt straight broken, and some depended on luck with no player skill involvement. When I tanked my first heroics, I wasn't sure I would ever do the same a second time.

[@Sco777owel1]

Would of been nice to have a increased difficulty version of heroics that gave more badges or something cause in t6 they became cake and you kinda never go back

[@JacobSomeUniqueIdentifier]

“I’ve never heard someone say they don’t like pre BIS gearing” Well friend, let me be the first I guess lol. Not a fan.

[@zurcarak]

nice eye opening video for someone that doesn't really know whats to come for wrath. i agree with your points of view however i like the idea of being able to play 3 toons, 1 main doing 25's and then the other 2 doing 10mans sounds great, doing fire mage main then arms warrior and blood dk. pd: also your description feels short lol

[@matthewburn4900]

- too many welfare epics - no challenging content until phase 2 (potential early burnout) - doing challenging things with other players, are some of the most memorable moments - loot scarcity is less (flexing on others feels good) - guilds will have more potential bad players - world preparation and events are very little - more scammers (this one surprised me) - since wotlk had a lot of changes, a final state may get worse for some classes

[@alvinsoares]

Hey Zat! I’ve been watching you play 10 mans quite a lot these days, I’m very interested in your views when it comes down to the choice: 10 mans or 25 mans? Perhaps make a video about it, would be interesting and maybe enlightening

[@Zatar]

I like smaller raids. You have more personal influence. It’s also easier to have 10 friends or 10 people you get along with as compared to 25.

[@alvinsoares]

@@Zatar I think the same, however I'm kinda worried about the elitist mind of some current TBC Classic players. I'm worried about being gatekeeped from 25 man pugs/gdkps, because 10 mans are prob not gonna have logs (something I think should change, wcl should do a 10 man raids ranking). Also issues with gearscore being lower due to ilvl. Haven't seem much people talking about this, and I know a lot o people that used to play 10 man only on OG Wrath.

[@alvinsoares]

the parsebrain is real

[@d0k0night]

Dude I love your content and more people should see you - but your mic has issues. It's very staticy and needs to be looked into. Your volume level is also very low compared to many other KZbinrs as well, so I have to crank you up in order to hear you.

[@Preacher_.]

I'm not looking forward to going from the difficulty of undergeared, no Worldbuffs Naxx in SoM, to the cake walk of WotLK's faceroll Naxx :(

[@Bumbum_Inspector]

As a prot warrior, I am definitely not going to miss TBC heroics. Everything in dungeons were just massively overtuned, artificially difficult with atrociously garbage mechanics like stacking up 4 attacks and one shotting the tank with them, and especially warrior tanks were just the dungeon handicapped tank that couldn't do anything and needed to be hard carried by CC. I'd rather physically torture myself in real life than run through TBC heroics ever again.

[@j.w.2271]

From a healer's perspective I agree completely. The one word I keep landing on to describe TBC dungeon mobs is "cheap". Sure you can make 5-man content harder to handle by making 9 out of 10 fears undispellable, it's just a really cheap way of doing it.

[@frankspike4062]

Between this, and AoE everything down in Wrath, i believe there would be a fun compromise to make. In TBC if they would have made something like Thunderclap do more threat and no limit on targets, it would have been ok. That or make CC and kill order, interrupts a necessity for all group even with a pally tank.

[@Bumbum_Inspector]

@@frankspike4062 The closest we ever got to that was Cataclysm dungeons but people cried about those and they got nerfed down to WotLK level immediately.

[@frankspike4062]

@@Bumbum_Inspector I do remember that. Game took a sad direction from there as far as gameplay that i personally like.

[@Paal2005]

While it was definitely true for some dungeons, it really wasn't for others. Yes, the mobs hit hard, but that was kind of the point. You were suppose to have to CC in the begining, otherwise, the content becomes irrelevant extremely quick. You weren't suppose to go into heroics with leveling gear, but rather from high-level dungeon gear. Take Mechanar HC as an example: If you did mechanics properly, the fights weren't even that hard. I remember that dungeon was only difficult if people didn't know what to do. I also like that they added an additional mechanic to one of the bosses (Static charge from Thaddius). With T4 gear, heroics were mostly possible without any CC as well, while still being challenging if someone went in no-brain. Anything after T4 made stuff a cake walk (except for BF HC. That place was cursed).

[@NeuroticPengu]

funny vibes

[@frankspike4062]

Totally agree that Wrath Heroics were too easy/just made to be AoE farmed. Missed opportunity of fun content there.

[@Nonxsn]

SP Hero 15 min adventure in and out quick run fr fr...

[@Paal2005]

15 mins which quickly turns into a 30-40 min because one member doesn't know the skips ^^

[@Toast-cc7gr]

I would hard argue against heroics, while yes memorable, blood furnace was AWFUL if you needed anything outta there, no one wanted to do it because the amount of time and effort it took was not worth it in the slightest. Why would i torture myself into heroic BF when I can get something better from Kara and it's 10x easier

[@Zatar]

Prot warriors have a trinket that is bis hit trinket the whole game from there. It is definitely difficult, but early on it was worth it for some of the pre-raid stuff too.

[@Toast-cc7gr]

Eh outside that one item for that one spec, most every other class had something comparable or better from a different dungeon, also Kara (which was again, easier). I'm not gunna argue that it wasn't memorable, but it's because of insane overtuneing and bad design (random, unavoidable 1 shots is not a good game design)

[@jamesplitter14]

How come we dont see you play rogue anymore?

[@Zatar]

I mainly pvped in classic, never really enjoyed rogue pve. In TBC I played arena off stream because my arena partners kept getting flamed. I played a decent amount, but did not have fun and eventually stopped. In wrath I will have a rogue alt and might try arena again.

[@lasergames1798]

Pog

[@Sokanoted]

If you loved preraid BiS gearing then you obviously never played a warrior at a high level in phase 1, 2, and 3 of Classic when you would spend 6 hours a day farming the BRD arena trying to get your savage gladiator chest.

[@Zatar]

Most of my guildies who did those grinds look back on them fondly. I grinded hoj and shadowcraft set and enjoyed it.

[@TheNewLooter]

5. World PvP ;

[@j.w.2271]

In my opinion Halls of Lightning can easily contend with TBC dungeons in terms of difficulty, certainly in terms of length. I also see it as a great thing that gearing is much easier in Wrath. Not that I actively wish for a trivial gearing process, but it's vastly preferable to the GDKP situation.

[@william4996]

Sorry but your account is 100% weaker without the netherdrake smh.

[@zerokelvin6094]

Everything in TBC was easy asf, trying to make it sound difficult it just a lie. Sepulchre of the first ones normal mode is harder than any raid or dungeon in all of TBC. tbc was still more fun but trying to act like it was hard is a joke.

[@Paal2005]

Please, show us a video of you zooming through BF HC in the first month of the game, with a comp of anything else than mage/warlock as your sole dps. That dungeon was toxic towards melee dps.

[@zerokelvin6094]

@@Paal2005 being badly designed doesnt = difficult. all of the raids were smashed within a day or two of release, i 1 shotted every boss in kara the same day i hit 70 in leveling greens and blues with a whole raid group of the same. I have cleared every raid in 1-2 days of it releasing in tbc other than sunwell because i quit wow to focus on my uni work. TBC is very easy... its still a lot more fun than shadowlands but if we are talking difficulty shadowlands is 100x harder

[@sfzrxgaming9875]

Only TBC and cataclysm got heroics done right, both wrath and pandaria have awful heroics imo, never played past that. I wish they'd buff wrath heroics but the no change and casual croweds will scream and stop it at all cost.

[@alvinsoares]

Tbh I think TBC heroics are kinda awful aswell. The mechanics are all the same but it feels like the damage was just increased BY A LOT. I remember the first pull of sethekk halls. That thunder clap used to hurt a lot. I feel like the only difference are on the numbers, but thats just an personal opinion

[@sfzrxgaming9875]

@@alvinsoares Sometimes raw numbers really result in direct difficulty increase and incentivize people to use tools they normally don't, like kiting, sheeping etc, although in the case of sethekk hall first pull that's really just a test of positioning and healing, ranged shouldn't get clapped and the mobs could be stunned iirc. If the damage is too low, like in the case of wrath, it just results in paladin rush in and aoe tank everything without breaking a sweat. I'm a big fan of tbc heroics so I think our opinions will differ in this regard, if you hate tbc heroics I doubt you'll like cataclysm heroics either.

[@alvinsoares]

@@sfzrxgaming9875 yeah, to be honest I don't really see how they'd put more challenge without tweeking the numbers that high. We are talking about a 14 year old game aswell, so yeah it makes sense. I like some of the heroics tho, I just wished there was more boss mechanics rather than just hard hitting trash

[@Paal2005]

@@alvinsoares Mechanar HC was a good example. Bosses got an additional mechanic. Think that was true for most dungeons, but some of them were so bland that people didn't even notice them (like, enrage, woooooo). I totally agree with you though. More mechanics on HC would be better, but tbh, the expansion had a lot of bosses that really didn't have that many mechanics (Curator, the Satyr in Kara, Voidreaver, Almost all MH bosses, Naj, Shade, Teron and Mother). Sure they have mechanics, but most weren't neither hard not any complicated/important for the fight.

[@lucianalliancestargate6475]

Best part of wrath for me was the fast dungeons. I hate 1 hour dungeons.