40% Fuel Savings - No Modifications Required - Veg Oil Mix

[@Baky6]

I have been using used vegetable oil for 2 winters now. a mixture of 50:50 diesel vegetable oil. The problem with vegetable oil arises when there is a high percentage of moisture in the air. Then the exhaust and the chamber are filled with fine carbon. If the air is dry, it works better than on clean diesel. And the mixture with vegetable oil gives much more heat. Used vegetable oil should be filtered as cold as possible. Trust me it makes a big difference

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks for the comment / input. I think the deal with VEG oil is that it is right on the edge of not burning in one of these heaters. While you can get away with a few less than perfect conditions with diesel, if your veg oil is a little too rich, a little too moist or a little too cold (among other things) you will have issues. That being said, I hear from people every day that have the very same issues burning diesel, and that's why I recommend checking with a CO meter. If you are running 200 ppm, and you get a humid day, that can push you over the limits of what the heater can handle and BAM... the problems start. I hope to do a lot more testing with used veg oil ... hopefully I can round a bunch up for next winter.

[@colinhamer6506]

I will never forget my first time using a plasma cutter probably 20 years ago now a friend got permission to work on his car at weekends in a nice workshop as the owner was leaving this day we had a lot of repair patches to make he said use the plasma cutter it's setup in my welding room and off he went his welding room was immaculate I marked my cuts put the sheet on the beautiful steel bench and cut out the patch I can still remember the sound of it hitting the ground and the 🤢feeling as I could see straight through the bench we managed to weld it up good as new 😅

[@loweredexpectations4927]

LOL.... oh no haha. Good thing you were able to fix it... that's not a good feeling.

[@lemonherb1]

I used to live in the Crossroads area where I must have been right along the path of a runway because planes would fly directly above the house, and the shadow it casts would blot out the sun for a moment. These days I'm a bit further from YYC, so I don't really notice planes that much anymore

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I used to work in that area and there were a lot of planes. In the past few years, after the airport expansion, they have changed their flight path and we are getting a lot more planes over my area...

[@wallacefrey6247]

I remember the vegetable oil topic in the comments a year or so ago, and it's pretty cool to see that you showed that it does work. I hope all is well,and will be watching for the next update.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Yeah, this has been a while coming. It seems as though many people have struggled with it. I believe that there are a few important factors in making it work. If you don't start on diesel, it won't be hot enough to burn completely, and while it will burn for a few weeks, the carbon builds up. The next important part being mix ratio. A little too much veg oil and it won't burn hot enough, and again, you get build up. Unlike the motor oil, everything in the veg oil is combustible, it just needs enough heat. Thanks Wallace. Things are okay here... moving forward.

[@ExpediteTravels]

I'm mixing diesel and used veggie oil in my heater in my expedite van works great I filter the oil before I mix it to the diesel and I mix in antigell and I also mix in a couple ounces of gasoline

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Awesome. Good to hear. Thanks for sharing.

[@thesurvivalist.]

Homemade Bio-Diesel from Vegetable oil, and lamp oil. This was an old patent from England, to make mass amounts of Bio-diesel quickly, without having to buy all those chemicals, and equipment! Mix it with clear hot jello-ten let it settle for one day, and pour off the bio-diesel from the top. Robert Murray Smith made this bio-diesel, from an old patent, on his channel. I hope you try it!

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I have seen his videos and really want to try to make some actual biodiesel. The gelatin is to remove impurities. To remove the glycerine, and make actual biodiesel, you need to add methanol and lye and let it sit. I think this sounds like a lot of fun and would love to try it some time. I have already tried the gelatin with veg oil and with engine oil... works with veg, not so much with engine oil, haha.

[@MHLivestreams]

@@loweredexpectations4927 veg oil works in old engines, in winter, some people use a heating element in the fuel tank, use 5ml non methylated white spirit per litre. Basically it's viscosity, perform a drop test. Drop ball into vial with fuel, measure time to bottom. (Test against standard diesel) To thin the mix. You can blend with kerosene, diesel, brake fluid, etc, if you like.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@MHLivestreams Dang it !.... my ball keep floating ... I shouldn't have chosen a basketball 🤣 That's a pretty cool and simple method. I think the gasoline i this mix I was using is intended to decrease the viscosity. I would like to play with this more in the future.

[@MHLivestreams]

@@loweredexpectations4927 the drop test is a standard practice for 'heavy oil' grading, I think we invented it here in Britain.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@MHLivestreams Good stuff.

[@gregorykucera4235]

I know that running the additive for mine made a big difference on how long I could run it before clean out probably 30 percent more run time, Interesting video thanks.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I have no doubt that it is doing something. The temp went up 8-10 C and the CO went down a little... (I didn't mention that in the video). I believe a big part of how long a heater will run with this mix has to do with how rich or lean it is. Oils tend to continue to make more heat as they produce soot / carbon, so it is easy to overlook that there is a problem... until the heater starts acting up. I hope to do a lot more testing with veg oil... hopefully used stuff.

[@autojohn-pu1vf]

This is the vid I been waiting for... I'm going to wait till next winter to try waste oils. For now I've figured out how to use way less diesel with that controller and didn't even know it has alpine mode🤣The lowest factory setting is 1.7hz (I call it squirts) and it delivers 102 squirts/min. It took me a few months to figure out you have to ajust the upper limit down ALSO,to get change on the lower setting, now I'm using 1.2hz gives around 80 squirts/min and drinks way less fuel.

[@WaffleStaffel]

Took me a while, and a new controller, to figure that out too. Problem is, I can't get any combination of Hz and RPM that doesn't spew out 1000ppm of CO. Still, sometimes I only need the 0.8Hz, so I'm still saving fuel.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

HAHA... That's one way to go about it. I think you will be warmer next winter with the waste oil. I suppose it all depends on your heating requirements. Like I said, here in Calgary, it is almost always running on full heat full time.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

True ... if you only need the .8hz, it's a waste to use more.

[@WaffleStaffel]

@@loweredexpectations4927 Our winter ended abruptly. We haven't used the heater for 3 days, and have had our windows open for 2 😊

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@WaffleStaffel Ours pretended to end... but I looked at the forcast, and it is calling for below freezing and now Tuesday to Saturday.

[@Spencer1609751]

I zoomed in and was able to see it!

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I'm missing something here.... this is in response to something and I'm drawing a blank, haha.

[@Spencer1609751]

@@loweredexpectations4927 for seeing the carbon monoxide reading.

[@donkirk5433]

We have been fitting and using heaters but home heating is the best fuel

[@loweredexpectations4927]

That's basically marked diesel, right ? No road tax diesel. It is really easy to get an much cheaper in some areas... on the east coast of Canada, it is commonly used.... no so much where I am.

[@patchvonbraun]

Compared to other vegetable oils, Canola has a high sulfur content (25mg/kg). That might be what those yellow deposits are. If you were friendly with a U Calgary chemistry person, you could get them analyzed. Actually, if you have some genuine silver lying around, polish it up, and then rub that stuff on it. If the silver turns black, you have sulfur.....

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Interesting. I kinda thought it might be sulphur. I'll have to snatch some of Megan's jewelry and be like "yeah, I have no idea what happened to it" , haha.

[@johnwyman6126]

Actually, especially right now, everybody should have some genuine silver "laying around".

[@johnbrizendine7716]

That is the exact same fuel ratio mix that my diesel cars use very reliably, and the same start and shut down procedure, even!!!!

[@loweredexpectations4927]

That's great !! haha. I really wish I had an old diesel car or truck....

[@trsfc1595]

I use a hand held Aldi Steam Cleaner directed at the air intake seems to help clean the combustion chamber

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Interesting. I have not tried this. I suppose it depends on the level of contamination.

[@trsfc1595]

@@loweredexpectations4927 been running this particular heater for 6 years, no problems so far. I do change the atomiser every six months

[@sanduafaceri2792]

Am luat ulei vegetal si l-am facut biodise.si il amestec cu motorina ,respectiv 70% biodisel si din glicerina fac sapun pentru familie si prieteni. Am desfacut camera de ardere si arata foarte bine .

[@WaffleStaffel]

Grozav. Dacă aveți o utilizare pentru glicerina, este o afacere bună. Dacă putem arde direct, obținem mai multă energie sub formă de căldură. Nu am spațiu sau bani pentru procesarea unor cantități mari de ulei.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Foarte tare. Vreau să încerc asta doar pentru distracție, dar dacă îl pot arde fără a o rafina, cu atât mai bine.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Haha... I want to do it just because it sounds like fun... but if I can burn it without processing, that's pretty hard to argue with.... that being said... if refined, you can burn it without mixing.

[@Gideon_Judges6]

You were probably thinking of "anemometer" at the end there. I'm looking forward to the plasma cutter as I don't have one yet!

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Yes... that is what I was trying to say / remember. The reason why I asked for the plasma cutter, is that they finally have one with High Frequency start ... much nicer to use and much easier on consumables. I had a brand name one a few years ago, had it for a few weeks and then someone stole it... Pretty frustrating, haha.

[@AtimatikArmy]

That sucks... I hate thieves. I've had a just finished 1991 550 (Limited class boat, pipe, prop, milled head, just bolt ons), a 1995 Wave Blaster and the baddest BMX race cruiser that I slowly built up with the very best of the best parts throughout my childhood... ALL STOLEN FROM ME... Ugh... Anyway, I have the l cheapo Chinese CT312 (basically a Cut50) plasma cutter for a while. Vevor now has one that doesn't have to be scratch start? How much and any good?

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@AtimatikArmy Yeah... My truck was broken into a few weeks ago, again, and I didn't think they stole much... then I show up at a service call and realize my multi meter and safety glasses are gone, my calculator and just a bunch of stupid stuff.... but I won't know they are missing, until I need them. The plasma cutter that I had was a Thermal Dynamics unit. I had done a couple of test cuts and made a few cuts for one project, and gone. It bothers me that someone can be that selfish and careless or malicious ... You make a few bucks while taking someones tools... Not just taking their money, but their ability to make money. My buddy has one of the Cut 50 ones, and it's great ... fine for most situations. The scratch start unit form Vevor is $209 US and the identical but not scratch start unit is $198, lol. I haven't tested it yet, but I'm fairly confident it is good, or I wouldn't have asked for it. I should have it this week and hopefully have a video out on it soon.

[@AtimatikArmy]

​@loweredexpectations4927 Damn! I'm really gonna want your honest with you on that thing.Because at that price I may have to consider that, wow! Yeah, some people suck.It's just what it is unfortunately. I absolutely despise thieves and especially people who stab you in your back while you had theirs... keep ur head up!

[@kirkwalsh1932]

Good stuff. 👍 Quasar had another great performance. He needs to be on TV. You on the other hand possess a great face for radio.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

LOL... 3 likes on this comment. 🤔 Maybe I have to start a channel for Quasar and just start doing voice over for him.

[@kirkwalsh1932]

@@loweredexpectations4927 you could do a video on a Vevor zip line and have him harnessed in testing it out.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@kirkwalsh1932 LOL... I don't think he would appreciate that as much as my audience would, haha.

[@austinmaxi]

Could try one of those ultrasonic mist makers, for water-mist ingestion through the combustion intake to see if that helps to clear up the combustion chamber? Idea being that it would flash boil into steam, and steam clean inside. bit like a car with Head gasket failure.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I have been considering this for quite some time. I have had one of the high output ones in my shopping cart at aliexpress for many months, haha... then a few months ago, I noticed that Vevor sells them... I would love to give it a try... I like the idea 🤟 My thoughts were to use oil or veg oil as the fluid though. Water vapor has the nasty ability to reduce the heat significantly, so it could cause issues. I do plan on injecting some water at some point in the future... just to see what effect it has.

[@tenlittleindians]

​@@loweredexpectations4927 Are you referring to the piezo disk transducers or the more powerful electrical beasts? I wonder what difference in frequency would be required to effectively vaporize an oil rather than water? Surface tension probably comes into play. Even the piezo disk versions work better with a detergent added to the water to reduce surface tension. I'm curious as to where in the fuel stream you plan on using it.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@tenlittleindians Yeah... just the piezo disk transducers... I don't know of anything else. I feel like it may require heating to get it to work... Although oils are more viscous, they tend to have lower surface tension... at least that is my understanding. They are more tenacious and cling to things, but the surface tension is lower.

[@tenlittleindians]

@@loweredexpectations4927 There are lots of kinds of transducers that are not the piezo kind. Some of them use hundreds or even thousands of amps! Check into the duty cycle, frequency range and temperature range of these transducers your thinking about before spending any money. Some have very limited lifespan and others have too short of a duty cycle to be of much use in a heater application.

[@dustinwild]

Are you burning canola oil? I wonder if that yellow is something from a specific oil type? Great videos dude!

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Yeah... Costco canola oil. It seems many veg oils have this yellow tint to them. According to the internet, almost all oils have the same "problem" of having glycerine, and that is what makes the nasty mess, as it takes a higher temp to burn. At some mix ratio this becomes a real problem. Thanks ! ... Watching it back 3-4 times before posting, as an editor, I thought it was great... Watching it back today as a viewer, I suddenly feel like I was vague about a few things. I'll just claim that was on purpose to create viewer engagement, haha.

[@philipunger6507]

Your ratios are pretty much what I've run my heaters on. And then mix the diesel and gasoline after it cools and is filtered. On a 5 gallon tank, I'll run 2.5 gallons vegetable oil to 2 gallons and half gallon gasoline roughly. Also, I have the controller that has the engineering menu. Running anywhere from 3.7 to 4hz on the high end and 0.8 on the low end with a fan speed of 2000rpm minimum and 4300 to 4500 max. The smell is interesting. Depending on the veg oil. Since I get mine from gas station kitchens and fast food places, it usually smells like fried chicken and french fries. Lol There may be a little buildup here and there which will smoke a little and make the heater smell like a BBQ. Lol But that could have been an error on my end when I was experementing with the mixture. For the most part, the veg oil burns fairly clean.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Haha... fried chicken exhaust... I need to get me some used stuff !! I think a lot of people who are looking at this negatively, and are confused about my optimism, haven't been with me through my series of WMO tests ... 2-3 hours of running with a fog of smoke, tar like exhaust, fluffy soot covered exchanger... carbon as hard as concrete etc... A little carbon or soot and having to MAYBE replace a chamber once every few months is a 100% in my books !!

[@philipunger6507]

@@loweredexpectations4927 most definitely. Waste motor oil is a very fickle thing. Don’t even get me started on the synthetic blend. That’s even worse than the conventional. But yeah there’s a few times I’ve had to take my diesel heater apart and bang all the carbon out of the chamber. Not to mention that I’ve also ruined a fan motor in the process. 😆 Yeah, I’ve watched your whole entire series on the diesel heater experiments from the beginning. You’ve come up with a pretty interesting stuff for sure.

[@Coffeebean1482]

Once its been turned on and off for a few weeks the glow screen will be full of a crusty carbon and it gums up the flame initiation hole, My issue was with start ups becoming smokey and eventually failing when running on a mix. I now used a mixed oil/diesel. Then a few tanks of just diesel then a mixed tank again. And its been okay

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks for the comment / input. Is this a problem you had while starting and stopping on diesel ? I'm not doubting your results, but I do have to wonder. The glow plug should not be turned on during operation. This area isn't very hot during operation, so it shouldn't be burning or gumming up any veg oil. I have had build up issues in the glow plug area when starting and stopping on with waste motor oil mixes, and it would eventually have starting issues and a lot of smoke on start up. I think there may be some haters out there that do keep the glow plug on during operation, as I have heard of people having a similar issue even when burning clean diesel.

[@Coffeebean1482]

The heater runs fine on diesel, When I used to use the veg oil /diesel mix the heater would be starting up and shutting down on the mix. I would get maybe a month before it wast starting to clog up the flame initiation hole. With maybe one shutdown and restart a day when I went out. It was like a black varnish. I did try to make the hole slightly larger to prolong the service interval but I only made a vary small change as I didn't was to mess up the air flow for start up. The only way I seem to have prevented this is running a mixed tank followed by at least one clean tank. I don't know if the addatives in diesel help clean it out. But this works fine as I only use old oil from my deep fat fryer I think the varnish forms when the glow plug is on and it gets the veg oil mix. Not so much when it's running and up to temperature. also want to say I love the content and I'm always checking for new vids

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@Coffeebean1482 Yeah, I wasn't trying to say that your heater has or may have issues when running on diesel. That being said, a heater can run a little rich or a little lean on diesel and not have any issues. The fuel is so clean and the carbon will burn away when exposed to a little heat and oxygen. Thanks for the additional details. I suspect that the glow plug area never gets hot enough to burn off the glycerine, or whatever it is that the glycerine leaves behind. I suspect that starting and stopping with the mix leads to this stuff forming in the glow plug area. It appears as though the mix (I used) gets hot enough (the way I was using it) so that the oxides and carbon are not a problem, or less of a problem. It could be that there are additives in the diesel, or it could simply be that the diesel burns at a ratio that has a little excess oxygen. This oxygen is then leftover to consume any carbon deposits left behind, if they are also hot enough. I appreciate your support and information. I really hope I can get a bunch of veg oil to play with next winter.

[@philipunger6507]

What I've figured out with mine as well. Otherwise, it's like a smoky BBQ if you don't run straight diesel through it once in a while to clean it out.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@philipunger6507 Yeah. I think the question is, how often and for how long. If we could answer this definitely, it could be a cost savings in itself. You can always play on the safe side, but I like to push things over the limit and then back up a little, haha. I'm currently running a test with a fuel pump controller that allows me to run whatever ratio I want oil / diesel, and I'm having luck at 30 diesel 70 oil, but I keep trying to push it further and get the diesel down to 28 haha...

[@mickwolf1077]

kitty's like keep that heat coming.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Haha... yeah. He isn't fond of the sound the heater makes, but he does like the heat.

[@coachgeo]

sadly used veg. oil in most US areas is no longer obtainable. It is tied up with ownership contracts to rendering companies that prep it and sale it to Pharma and Cosmetic industry. New veg. oil is more expensive per gallon than diesel/kero so no cost savings.

[@melissasmess2773]

The grease containers are guarded with padlocks in America, no more free energy 😢

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Yeah... this greatly depends on where you live. Get a part time job at a Burger King for a month and get an inside connection, haha.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Wow... that is interesting. Perhaps one could find a contact at a smaller restaurant. I have heard of plenty of people doing it.

[@coachgeo]

@@loweredexpectations4927 Nice theory, know your intent is little tonuge in cheek . realistically not possible with big chains like BK. The large chains now recycle their own oil.... their produce delivery trucks also suck dry their used oil tanks into tanks on the trucks. They then deliver their oil to whomever process it for them. Think Mc.D's for example have their own recycle plant. They re-use to cook over and over and over; renewing it between re-use. Then they do something else with it... some I think have their own or have contracts with a bio-diesel plant to turn it into fuel. Then they put that in their own company trucks.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@coachgeo That's crazy and cool that they have a setup to do wll that... but I was serious. Here in Canada, at least where I live, things are run much differently, haha. Perhaps it is because we are an oil producing province, both huge amounts of canola oil and dinosaur oil. Here, restaurants pay companies to haul away veg oil. The cost is about $1 per litre to dispose of it... It is understandable why companies like McDonalds and BK have come up with another solution.

[@mnp3713]

nice to see Vevor send you product and support you, i like their products but i like to see reviews before i buy it

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks for your comment. Yes, Vevor supporting me with products is definitely motivation to make more videos. I feel like I took a risk on announcing these future product tests... I haven't tested them and they could be crap, haha, and if so, I can't recommend them. I'm confident them are good, but we will know soon enough.

[@mnp3713]

no worry its fine vevor support you, it is easy to see if people are not honest, comments cant be removed so the truth will be found- looking forward for your test. @@loweredexpectations4927

[@johnwyman6126]

Great video, thank you. I have a question, have you tried 90% WMO and 10% gasoline? If that works, then maybe the same thing would work with the waste vegetable oil.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I have tried lots of different WMO mixes, and none of them work well. The motor oil, even new motor oil, is a real pain to burn in these heaters. I suspect that somewhere between 10 and 20% gas in waste veg oil would work... but haven't tried it.

[@EelingStudios]

Great stuff, well done! 🙂 I'm wondering if it might be worth changing the fuel line for one that is known to be tolerant of higher temperatures than the standard stuff and pre-heating the vegoil mix as we know it's a viscosity thing in diesel engines to get a clean burn., might help...

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Yeah, I think if you really wanted to push it and use as little diesel as possible, preheating would be a good idea. That being said, you don't' want to preheat fuel with gasoline in it, as it will off gas and make a lot of bubbles in the lines. I had a fuel heating system last year, (used for waste engine oil tests) and had issues with moisture and gasoline in my fuel. I used a piece of automotive brake line through the fins on the exchanger, as a relatively safe way to get the fuel hot while delivering it to the chamber.

[@EelingStudios]

I think you're a fella that likes to push things... Keep em coming, you're doing great :-) @@loweredexpectations4927

[@oojimmyflip]

As interesting as it is Gas/petrol/Diesel and vegetable oil here in the UK is expensive, weve paid more for veg oil since the Ukraine/Russia war it is tripple the price it was for 3 liters and the Ukraine was where the rapeseed was grown to make the vegetable oil. its much much cheaper here to just burn kerosene which is expensive where you are in the world and add a little mineral oil for lubrication of the pump, there is a tiny amount of build up from the Mineral oil over as period of about 8 months daily use before a service is needed.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Yes... the all depends on where you live and what access you have to oil. I have heard of people who have access to free Jet A or access to unlimited free new veg oil... Many others who have access to used veg oil. Personally, I have access to hundreds of litres of waste engine oil, and that's why my main focus has been in that area. I would have to source used veg oil for this to be worthwhile, as new stuff is $14 for 4L. Kerosene, where I am is about twice that price at over $30 for 4L. I have heard of many people adding something to lube the pump, but apparently they use these same pumps in the gas burning versions of these heaters, so apparently they don't care about lubrication. I haven't been able to kill a single pump yet, despite my abuse, haha... while others have had several failures.

[@MHLivestreams]

@@loweredexpectations4927 I'm interested in burning everything, kero, diesel, veg oil, brake fluid, a bit of gasoline, paraffin, engine oil, whatever is around. I think we should all make the best blend of whatever we can get. Have a good day, fella.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@MHLivestreams I like that.... try things out and see what works ! Worst thing that can happen is you learn something.

[@reubenk7331]

Another great video!

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Haha... someone has been binge watching videos !

[@reubenk7331]

@@loweredexpectations4927 Just a smidge! Your videos are certainly enjoyable 🙂

[@philipreich7035]

Thanks for doing the veg oil test. Have you tried it with just diesel and veg oil? Is the gas really needed? Thanks again for all of your testing! Cheers from Oregon USA! Philip

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I haven't been able to test with only diesel ... I suspect the gasoline is not required and is recommended to keep the viscosity low, especially in cool temperatures. I hope to do much more testing with this in the future.

[@philipreich7035]

@@loweredexpectations4927Yeah, that makes sense -- that the purpose of the gas is to cheaply thin out the veg oil. Thanks for the reply. BTW, I got one of Vevor's CO meters, and am having to exchange it because the power on button sticks down instead of bouncing back up on it's own. This causes the darn thing to power on, and then immediately power off. Hopefully the replacement won''t have the same issue. Hopefully the one they are sending you for testing won't either.... I got mine on Amazon, because it's about $6 less expensive than on Vevor's site. It's also easier to replace if you get a defective one. I did report the issue to Vevor on their website, because I'm not sure they monitor the Amazon exchange returns that closely. Regarding the CO monitors.... I have ordered 3 different ones to try out -- Vevor's, the same one you have with the color display, and the other one made by that same manufacturer that has a backlit LCD screen. I do NOT recommend the backlit version by the manufacturer of yours. It has a 120 second warm up cycle, and is much less responsive to measurements than the color lcd model is. I think the sampling rate is slower than on the color display version, which makes it basically unusable for closely monitoring combustion. I was hoping the backlit version would function as well as the color display version. If it did it would draw a lot less power because the display is a simple LCD, and so you could leave it on and use it for monitoring when sleeping in a camper or on a boat. The color display would run down the batteries too fast for that purpose. I'm hoping the vevor one with its non-color lcd display will work for that purpose, but will still be as responsive as the one you are currently using. I am doing my comparison testing using the output of my car's exhaust after it has gotten up to temperature. That way I can hold more than one unit in the exhaust stream to compare them against each other in real-time.... I'll let you know how my testing of the vevor unit turns out, once I get the (hopefully working) replacement in a couple of days. Cheers from Oregon USA, Phililp

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@philipreich7035 I just got a light switch today, from Home Depot, and It's having the exact opposite issue... the switch bounces back instead of staying switched, haha. I hope my CO meter doesn't have this same issue. Yeah. Sometimes a slower update rate is better and sometimes it is worse... depending on what you are trying to do with it. I have found the battery life on my CO meter to be insanely good... I have forgotten it on overnight at least once, and have left it on for several hours at a time, not to mention that it gets a lot of use, and I am still on the first set of batteries. They claim on their site that it is responsive and sensitive... I guess we will see. I look forward to your results. Cheers from the frozen north... Calgary Alberta Canada.

[@JoshKilen]

nice job, whats the difference between normal and alpine mode?

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Alpine (sometimes called plateay) mode runs the heater with a little less fuel, to compensate for higher elevation (less oxygen). I am at about 4000 feet, so right at the threashold for diesel... I can run normal mode, but it does run with a little CO... In alpine mode the CO is down to almost nothing = complete combustion.

[@coachgeo]

hmmm.... wonder how it would work out to use a stock heater.. two fuel tanks.. one an alternative fuel and another diesel (and maybe additive) ....... and then either by time intervals or by chamber temperature, both orr??? switch the tank feeds back and forth.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Hmmm 🤔 Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. The heater that I used for this test was a stock, unmodified heater. Right out of the box. Oh... are you saying this same set up, but using fuel other than veg oil ? Someone just sent me a control unit that connects to the fuel pump wire and splits it into two pumps. It allows you to control the ratio of diesel to alternative fuel to whatever you want, and also increase or decrease overall fuel output.

[@coachgeo]

@@loweredexpectations4927 yup.. unmodified heater is what am referring too. only mod would be automatically alternating (based on user defined pre-set parameters) what tank of fuel between diesel and alt. fuel/blend the; in stock form, heater pulls from. Example say.... every hour it automatically switches to diesel to burn out carbon for 10 minutes, then switches back to the alt. fuel. and/ orrr if temp of chamber drops to XYZ it automatically goes back to diesel for 20 mins to (in hopes) it cleans out chamber before it automatically switches back to alt. fuel. Alt fuel could be veg fuel or any other fuel for that matter.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

​@@coachgeo Yeah. There is a guy making a system called "turno heater" or something like that.... and it will have the ability to switch back and forth at your choosing. The system will operate two pumps and allow you to start on one fuel and then switch to another, or any other ratio you choose... and then do a clean out burn whenever and however long you choose. Pretty cool system. The system I have (built by a viewer) starts on diesel, and then injects a ratio of your choosing... If I want to do a clean out burn, as of now, I have to manually set to do so. Still an awesome set up.

[@coachgeo]

@@loweredexpectations4927 interesting.. will look into their stuff too. Much appreciate.

[@coachgeo]

@@loweredexpectations4927 "Turno"? Heater? Ttrying to find this info. is he youtuber or on a forum? Turno heater is so close to Turbo Heater when you google it..... it floods the page with the wrong kind of heater info. grr

[@martinpanks992]

When I used cooking oil/diesel mix it left a varnish like coating in the burn chamber..

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I have heard this from several people. This is apparently from oxides and or the glycerin. I experimented with burning pure veg oil in a open flame (a tuna can) and got quite a bit of that residu.

[@stevenfrazier8939]

convert a clothes dryer using a diesel heater

[@loweredexpectations4927]

That sounds like fun.

[@stevenfrazier8939]

It seemed like a neat idea, I am not in a position to take on a project like that. At least not right now.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@stevenfrazier8939 Yeah, me neither, I might be homeless soon... or living in an RV.

[@stevenfrazier8939]

RV living is okay. We sold our home, bought some land and live in a Class A Motor home while we build our house. We have a utility building that holds our batteries, inverter and water. We are completely off-grid and lack for nothing. Do you plan on keeping the channel alive?

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@stevenfrazier8939 I will try to keep my channel going in some capacity, regardless of what happens... I'm currently trying to get a mortgage to buy out my ex, and it looks like it may fall through, or end up being too costly to justify. I have a few options left, but things are unsure at the moment.

[@patrickday4206]

I'm going to request a crazy but doable experiment with an old beeter heater. Use a gravity feed system a metal line and tank and use as fuel liquid milk jugs polypropylene i think, melting using heat or solvent something like acetone and see how it burns.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

That sounds like fun ! ... I have been planning on heating oil in a separate chamber and using the gases, basically distilling oil... If I build that, I could do the same thing with plastic.... I think PP is very resistant to chemicals, so heat is probably the way to go.

[@uncioclasprinlume]

You didn't show the values ​​from the exhaust at the last test, it would really be good to see what they are. Alpine mode ... at what altitude are your tests actually done? I didn't really understand what vegetable oil the test is about, used or new, and what are the mixing proportions with diesel or something else. Thanks

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Yeah... I ended up losing a bunch of footage somehow. The CO was around 17ppm with when running the additive. It was basically the same footage as the first test with the exception that the temp went up a little, and the CO wend down a little. This test was done with new oil. It was 40% veg oil, 50% diesel and 10% gasoline. I said this pretty quickly at the beginning of the video. I want to try used oil, but I don't' have time currently to source it, so I just bought 8L of new stuff. I hope to run a much longer term test next winter with used veg oil, if I can get a bunch of it cheap or free.

[@KingofallDiffs]

BEST DIESEL HEATER VIDEOS ON YT🤟🏻🤟🏻👑🤟🏻YOU ROCK!......oh yea...garaaage 😂

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Told you... lots of Garaaage talk in this one. Thanks for your support !

[@KingofallDiffs]

@loweredexpectations4927 Haha I saw you start to smile before you said it🤣🤣🤣you're a good sport but if this is getting weird or annoying you IRL, I'll stop. 🤟🏻👑🤟🏻🤣

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@KingofallDiffs Haha... It's all good. Your banter is appreciated.

[@KingofallDiffs]

@loweredexpectations4927 ok you had your chance 😁

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@KingofallDiffs Haha... fair enough.

[@Ralphs-House]

I tried it over a month, and even on 10-20% veg oil, eventually the back of the burn chamber ended up encrusted with carbon. I did add petrol (gasoline) but it didn't help. Gave up on it. I guess I could have run it flat out but then the cost savings would have been significantly smaller, and factoring in down-time for cleaning, not worth the hassle for me.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I have a strong feeling, that if I would have run mine without correcting the CO, I would have been in the same situation. I will try to do more testing in the future to see what does and doesn't work as I have heard many many stories just like yours. These heaters can be finicky at the best of times, and I also hear from people, almost every day, who have had issues when running on clean diesel. Carbon build up and white smoke on start up. This is why I suggest using a CO meter to get an idea of what's happening in the burn chamber. If I didn't' use the CO meter... I would have assumed that 210C was much better than 180C, and I would have left my heater run in normal mode.

[@Ralphs-House]

@@loweredexpectations4927 Yes and I doubt setting 6 is 6 times more fuel used. I ts probably not that linear. It would be useful to know the ratio of fuel used between setting 1 and setting 6 for sure. I would think they vary from one unit to another, making it difficult to get a definitive benchmark,

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@Ralphs-House Yeah, setting 6 is definitely not 6x the fuel and it does change from model to model. I think they idea is that the fuel ratio increases in sync with the fan speed, so the air fuel ratio doesn't get too rich. Oils tend to have a wider acceptable AFR than say gasoline or alcohol, but having a CO meter is a good way to check if you are in a reasonable range, although there not always something you can do about it if you don't' have an adjustable controller. My new control system (built by a viewer) tells me the fuel input signal in hz and ml/h and allows me to make adjustments for diesel to oil ratio as well as air to fuel ratio.

[@glennwebb2807]

Please give the Robert Murray Smith fuel a try

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Is he the guy that uses gelatin to clean veg oil ?

[@cowboy6591]

Guessing the yellow is a food preservative in the Veggie oil. Read the label with scrutiny on the veggie oil, there's probably an added impurity to the oil.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I thought it may have been additives, but the label says "100% pure Canola" apparently high in sulphur. I was thinking of tingling and burning margarine or burning popcorn "butter" for fun, haha.

[@champmarly7665]

Have you tried to run Seafoam engine cleaner through a diesel heater?

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I have not, yet... I have tried a few other additives ... Redline and STP, but not Seafoam.

[@3ox3]

Nice!!!

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks !

[@microcementlacalamijasspai8269]

Does this void the warranty

[@bluepriushere]

I suspect that the yellow residue is came with the heater from the factory... just a thought... Did you seen my video i linked under your some previous vid?

[@bluepriushere]

I read a comment below and ... i never knew that yellow residue is from another type of oil from. Where i live mostly sunflower and corn oil is on market.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I have never seen that residu in any of my other heaters, but that is possible. I just watched your videos but have not seen them before. YT has a habit of deleting links when others post them.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I see... yeah, we grow and produce a different oil here. Canola oil. Not sure if it is grown anywhere else.

[@bluepriushere]

I just wan to show you that straight sunflower waste oil can be burned flawlessly while it cleans out the burn chamber white.

[@RADMAN752]

Do a long term test… the buildup will increase exponentially as time goes by

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks for the comment. EDIT: Also yes... I would love to do a very long term test and source some used veg oil. Not trying to be nit picky ... but this is important information... Have you performed these tests while monitoring CO and using the same start / stop and clean out proceadure ? Have you taken your heater apart and 4 and 8 litres of consumption for inspection and found these results ? I had assumed that what you are saying is accurate. This is not my first time paying with alternate fuels in a diesel heater and based on all of my previous experience, I feel like this would last for several months, if not indefinitely. If it lasts two months, the cost savings would more than offset the cost of a new chamber.

[@daringermain4474]

Am I missing something vegetable oil in my supermarket is more expensive than diesel

[@vincentdesjardins1354]

the goal is to use WASTE vegetable oil ...

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Many many people can actually get new veg oil cheaper than diesel or kerosene. For me, it is $14 a gallon, so much more $$$. Many many others can get used cooling oil for free or some even charge to haul it away.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

This test was actually with new stuff, but the same result can be expected from used, filtered oil. In the future I plan to burn a bunch of used stuff.

[@lanceulbrich6249]

But have you tried the magnet and the tea leaf!😂

[@loweredexpectations4927]

haha... don't knock it till you try it, eh.

[@Curtixman]

You in Calgary?

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I am.

[@JohannesBrotBaum]

I wonder when his next video is out :D

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Haha... Today.... I've been busy.

[@mechniack]

Crack waste oil into diesel , not very difficult

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Yeah, I really want to do this, for the fun of it of nothing else...

[@chrisgraham2904]

I don't see the value of mixing vegetable oil in a diesel heater, unless you have vast amounts of used vegetable cooking oil that is ready to be disposed of, or you have a free source of used vegetable oil from a restaurant. New vegetable oil where I live is ten times the price of diesel fuel and eighteen times more expensive than kerosene. Filtering dirty vegetable oil adequately is a process in itself and we have no long term data about what it's doing to the heater. You will have certainly voided any warranty on the heater.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Yes, for me, veg oil is several times the cost of diesel, so this tests is not really for me, although, I may try to source used stuff for free. Many people have access to used veg oil, and in some parts of the world, grape seed, rapeseed, and sunflower seed oil is cheaper than diesel. These heaters are pretty cheap, and the only thing that it will damage, if anything, is the burn chamber. The cost of a new chamber is $25 ish... so if you have to replace one a month, it is still way cheaper to burn this mix. While you can go nuts filtering oils, but there is little evidence that shows that this is helpful when burning it in one of these heaters. I have run brand new engine oil, filtered used oil and used oil right out of the drain pan, and there was no difference. I have plenty of experience with burning "alternative fuels" and there is lots of data about the worst case scenario. You replace the chamber and get on with your life. If you use your heater in any way that is not intended by the manufacturer, you should not expect warranty coverage... but that should not stop you from tryign something that will likely save you 40% on your fuel bill, with the worst case being that you have to replace a $25 part in a month. That's how I look at it.

[@huf67]

00:48 ... I know a guy, who knows a guy, who's cousin might be able to get a hold of some reactor grade plutonium if you wanna step up with the big boys and make a Vevor Nuclear Heater....🤷☢️

[@loweredexpectations4927]

HAHA.... this sounds like a wonderful idea... I wonder if we drill a hole into the plutonium and inject waste oil, if it will burn clean... I think probably !

[@huf67]

@@loweredexpectations4927 ... I think you're onto something there...I think I can see a Nobel prize in your future !!

[@patrickday4206]

Marty they found me I don't know how they found me but they found me. Who found you. The lybians Marty 😮

[@huf67]

@@patrickday4206 ... If anyone can do it, Joel can make a heater that outputs 1.21 gigawatts

[@diesel-heater-Free-Heat]

Just added a 1k resistor to the overheat sensor. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYmTm62iYrVre7Msi=p00705U0TnJpF_B-

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks for the advice... I had thought about this, but had no idea what resistor to use.

[@werner.x]

Plasma cutter is another thing, which constantly eats money out of your wallet by consuming it's consumables. Like drills eats away your drillbits, sanders eats away costly sandpaper - and the whole neverending story. Who pays for all that "useful" stuff 😂 Something seemed to be wrong with your endoscope camera this time. Badly out of focus everywhere. Or did you film an aging diva before and still had skin softening vaseline on the lens? Could this yellow be the dye your local gasoline is colored with? We had blue (Aral) or yellow (Shell) in former years. But it shouldn't be so much dye. It did remind me a little bit of the fawn colored thin residue on spark plug ceramics in clean burning engines.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Haha... yes... all that stuff costs money. Fortunately, the consumables for thos plasma cutter are VERY common, and for this reason also very cheap. It's not something that I will use a lot, but it will be handy to have when I need it. I was rushed to get footage with the inspection camera and did a poor job of both cleaning the camera and taking my time with filming. Not a great representation of what the camera is capable of, but a good representation of how I normally use it, haha. I hvae been told that our veg oil (canola oil) has.a very high suplhur content,compared to other oils.... so I suspect that this is the cause.

[@werner.x]

@@loweredexpectations4927 The color matches with sulphur. They had to remove sulphur from all fuels, because it caused acid rain. But as long as just some people burns that stuff, it shouldn't create problems. When i switched my plasma cutter to pilot arc, i immediatelly realised, that the time for my very cheap consumables was over, because the ones for pilot arc do cost a lot more. And unlike all the professional plasma cutters i worked with, my own consumer grade 50A model tends to eat that stuff. Maybe you'll have better luck.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@werner.x I never had or used a professional unit, but I had a higher end one, and the consumables were very expensive. I used my buddies plasma cutter last summer, working on a trailer, and did end up changing the consumables about half way through the project.

[@diesel-heater-Free-Heat]

Hello Mate Gary here. How do you respond to guys who give you the whole story about webasto heaters and how many billions the company is worth after being around over 100 years? None of which like us trying to run on old freebee oil. Rude fuckers! That are totally missing the point of the experiment?

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Haha... yes, there are people out there like that. Lots of angry people who just want to be heard. How I respond depends on what mood I'm in. I have been too busy lately to make or watch any videos... going through a separation and have to buy out my EX.... so it's a bit of a mess. Hope your experimenting is going well !

[@AkiWataru]

Lol i do IT like year ago 1:1 like you

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Are you using used oil or new stuff ?

[@AkiWataru]

@@loweredexpectations4927 I will describe in detail: - two tanks, one with clean diesel, sometimes even with diesel cleaning additive, which was only used to light the furnace at full power for 15-30 minutes - second tank mix 5l of cooking oil 5l of diesel + 1l of petrol, but I never made the mixture 100% the same, I always poured everything in by eye :) After I finished the work, I switched the fuel to clean diesel with a cleaning additive and after half an hour the stove could be safely turned off. Now I bought a 10/12 kW water power plant, I wonder how it will work

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@AkiWataru I see... well done !