40 Void rays vs 60 Vikings, who wins?

[@_H_aruu96]

What did we learn? Void Rays melt everything armored!

[@wli2718]

theres a reason why vrays are so often used in low level ladder games.

[@dbsteve88]

Those Chad Rays are tough to beat when they get into a pack that big and can cross that many streams.

[@legionofpie]

Nobody playing Z or T is surprised that A-move void-rays are that strong. Nobody playing Z is surprised the corrupter lost every round despite costing more.

[@Ardonn]

Everyone not playing Z is not surprised that Z is the strongest race in the game and has been ever since launch. Z is broken, no need to complain.

[@lostone9700]

yes zerg loves its expensive trash units.

[@Олександр45]

@@Ardonn Protoss are the strongest and most popular race for two years now. Why build specialized anti-air units, phoenixes, if you can always build universal units and still win. Air Protos with rays and Carriers is literally the cancer of this meta. Void rays so op that it's just impossible to ignore them will be nerfed in the next patch.

[@pops1cle187]

The corruptor is a specialized anti massive unit thats is its not very good against vikings or void rays. The viking is supposed to be anti air, and the void ray is the hard counter to corruptor is its anti armour.

[@Олександр45]

@@pops1cle187 And as a result, the protoss universal air unit defeats the specialized anti-air units of other races. And everything else.

[@lostone9700]

wow the void rays did need to be nerfed. damn!

[@pinroshan020]

Already did. Its 250 minerals and longer to be trained.

[@veilnebula2411]

yeah no joke

[@thtupid]

They actually don't. Vikings out micro voids. Plus if you stuck 50 libs instead of 60 vikings those voids would have melted. Same with muta and nix. All counter voids.

[@mingsky]

@@thtupid if you talk about micro. Then no need to press that Presmatic Beam alignment thing then because that makes VR move speed slow. So nope think again next time. And honestly they dont need to activate the alignment buff seriously if we talk micro because seriously that buff makes rays relatively slow. And Yes 100% win for rays without micro vs vikings or whatever they are when buffing pres alignment. Which can melt armored units pretty fast. Even without pres.alignment. you under estimate the movement speed of void rays too much and its weapon speed also.

[@Weigazod]

This is no surprise. Zerg units suck in general. Mineral by mineral, Zerg can't compete with Protoss or Terran. What the zerg can do is to out-mine the opponent and throw number against quality. Protoss A-move. Terran micro. Zerg Macro. Those are the things.

[@Jecht1221]

This is what people don't understand. And maybe it's a flaw in SC2 design. Just needs to be redesigned in a new game so people aren't just crying.

[@Weigazod]

@@Jecht1221 Honestly, the number game of zerg in Broodwar was much better than the current SC2. You have no need to spread creep. Hydra is low tech but trade fairly well against most units + ultra cheap. SC2 is a nerf in comparison to SC1. Considering the SC2 units are also much weaker than SC1 and more expensive it's a given.

[@ShadowTheHedgehogCZ]

I wonder why the Void Ray ability stopped being passive. Maybe Void Rays wouldn't be that strong if they had to charge their beam by continuous fire, instead of getting maximum damage instantly. Just disable the ability to charge the beam by firing on your own units and buildings before battle.

[@ohlookitisacat7404]

It stopped being a passive because it was too strong. When being massed, the little weakness of having charged time gets completely nullified and just snowballs into victory.

[@pater7387]

Because it did not requiered much input from the player. Being activated encourages active micro and propper timing, while the passive ability used to benefit way too hard on longer fights, as far as player bringing sacrificial units just to charge up the beam and keep it charged as long as they wanted. Now it requires attention from both the attacker and the defender, being able to both chose when is best to fight or to retreat, and creating an actual window to counter attack once the effect runs out, as with every other unit, would it be for example transformation, energy, cooldown or simply being too thick (thors and ultras). The old VoidRay did not have those, all it have to do was keep attacking until everything was dead instead of properly timing the ability like stimpack for example . It's mostly a design choice rather than pure balance, but affects gameplay and enjoyment, so it was a good call.

[@ShadowTheHedgehogCZ]

In long fights? I doubt something like that even exists in SC2 anymore. If the fight goes on so long that the active version of the ability would wear off, the opponent is doing something wrong. Also I think it's rather boring unit design to have button to increase dps (by simply increasing damage no less). Doesn't even feel like a special ability. More like a gameplay mechanic to bring burst on demand. And SC2 is bursty already enough.

[@finrodfel06]

@@ShadowTheHedgehogCZ either you were not around during WoL, or have no memory, because the charge-over-time Void Rays were a lot stronger. Once charged up, they stayed charged. They could also target a building or fodder friendly units to charge up, and when they reached critical mass, the charged void rays melted everything. With Prismatic Alignment, you can disengage when they charge up and re-engage once it's on CD. It's become more of a zoning/anti-building tool.

[@busgussab881]

The Viking is hands down the best air unit when in numbers and microed by a semi competent player, the ability to 1 shot capital ships when in numbers with minimal to no loses do to out ranging every other unit with out considering Yamato canon.

[@MrSang-py3dd]

Liberator's splash damage is a very good counter though. I've seen Maru exploit that advantage every time he plays Terran air.

[@richardhauer8391]

@@MrSang-py3dd where did that happen? Liberator anti air counters nothing, they are short ranged and too slow to catch other air units. And the high numbers to make splash relevant are very rare, especially in professional games. Maru is more known for his Ravens in the current meta.

[@busgussab881]

@@richardhauer8391 they sometimes are contente against mutas because they stack so easily but it is very rare because of their horrible range.

[@Burt1038]

Vikings are only good symbiotically with ground support to zone out counters. They get bodied by anything that can shoot it. Even corruptors as Zerg has a built in eco advantage and the Vikings are needed to engage other targets such as brood lords.

[@busgussab881]

@@Burt1038 I am pretty much talking about air fights, I believe that it being capable of killing capital ships in one shot and taking very minimal damage because of its acceleration it’s very strong. The only other unit that can do this is the tempest and corruptor but the tempest has horrible anti ground and it is very expensive. The corruptor requires viper support to have its maximum effectiveness. Because it’s range isn’t Incredible, not to mention that void rays destroy corrupters with prismatic alignment because they are armored. The best counter to Vikings is storm and parasitic bomb which can take multiple actions and is difficult to control.

[@씰띠부띠부]

Corrupt is Legend

[@becksmash]

Nerfs are coming to the Voidrays, don't worry, people lol

[@blakehathaway3913]

Just to build it tho, not actual nerfs to the troop itself.

[@ferallhamster970]

@@blakehathaway3913 Ye just to stop proxy void ray vs t

[@NoxorionZ]

As a zerg player, I've always considered so unfair that zerg doesn't have a big deathly ship like a Leviatan to face a battlecruiser or a carreir :( And feels the same here...

[@Xenomorphin1]

WDYM you have broodlords. They just specialize in siege and free units. The battlecruiser is only good for its yamato, and maybe the guns earlygame, the carrier is great but doesn't have any micro attached to it which makes it an overpowered unit in low skill play. All have some tradeoffs.

[@NooniiToons]

Maybe. Gotta take into account that in starcraft 2 alpha. Terran marine was the base unit used for balance. Zerg was just an after thought

[@fluffydbeast7557]

Why use void rays over phoenixes? Phoenix is much more similar to the corrupter and viking

[@todjonson3195]

True fighter aircraft

[@davidjeanmichel8358]

phoenix are only good versus muta, they do bad versus armored

[@BroadwayRonMexico]

Not really. Vikings and Corruptors are meant to be answers to most air units, while Phoenixes mostly are meant to either harass enemy mining, deal with common enemy harassment units (Mutas, Banshee, Oracles, other Phoenixes), or provide support for your army by lifting enemy units. Void Rays are better against both Vikings and Corruptors than Phoenixes are--they're the more suited general air-superiority unit against most air units (since most are armored), while Phoenixes are more niche and I'd say overlap more in role with Liberators and Mutas (but also with a bit of Viper) than with Vikings and Corruptors

[@Noaxsette]

The vikings had an alpha strike as they got more range and they also have bonus against armored ! Voidrays really are monstruous

[@dayeet267]

I was shocked that the corrupter lost to the void ray, I always thought that corrupters were stronger than voirdrays!

[@Max-sz9ez]

On ladder you have to bait prismatic alignment (the void ability), pull back and re-engage once it has run out in order to win. Well either that or you use parasitic bombs as support.

[@sarugakuza5108]

@@Max-sz9ez that and corrupters seem a lot stronger than they are cause they are meant to beat capital ships

[@sanguinarius4458]

Voidrays are strong only when its prismatic alignment is activated

[@endertron7520]

Ha ha you fool *void rays are too strong.*

[@chunghoang106]

Normally when you watch those pro videos, the Corruptors way outnumber Void Ray, also they bait Alignment so they win

[@DrownedInExile]

Void Rays really owned today!

[@wicem4]

what's annoying here is that void rays are able to target both air and ground units and still win against air only units...

[@Eatbutternow]

I love how salty everyone who favors a race is over the other races tools. All three have their strengths and weaknesses. You can switch if you want what another race has.

[@Skylair95]

If LotV campaign taugh me something, it's that a high enough number of void rays allow you to A click through anything.

[@ПавелУшкин-п7р]

Not through mass liberators tho

[@Shavre6562]

Now tell me that void rays is not op

[@richardhauer8391]

void rays are not op. What makes them look overpowered are the Carrier builds they enable. Voidrays alone loose against any anti air unit and also get wrecked by spell-casters. Hydras, Queens, even Mutas beat them. Infestors and Vipers poop on Voidrays. Even Corruptors, wich are supposed to counter Massive units, can win, if they kite properly.

[@chingompiew1]

Corruptors lost every round BUT zerg can rebuild 30 right away

[@devonoltmanns5453]

Yeah void rays are the best anti air unit in the game, the only air units it doesn’t counter would be mutas, phoenixes, and liberators

[@JitojiOMG]

Libs are armored

[@jirikunc1956]

if this had to be just air to air units battles, there should be 60 phoenixes insted of rais

[@pierrotnasse]

i dont play pvp, and when i watch championships, void rays arent used for air superiority imagine my surprise seeing those results

[@khoado9512]

Imagine a gun that takes 2 minutes to reload. Thats void rays. They are lethal but if your skill is as high as those pro players you are nerfing yourself by actively using them.

[@skyacaniadev2229]

They are used to protect Protoss capital ships (carrier mostly) from corruptor and Vikings.

[@wli2718]

because vrays are so easily countered for what they are worth. terran can go marines. toss go hydras. and protoss always have a ton of stalkers already.

[@tamassallay32]

Why isn't the value of each fight almost equal? We could see how strong the units are against each other if you build the same value... Or allow the weaker unit to almost overwhelm the counter unit to see how many can deal with it's counter...

[@BluePhoenix_]

In Each of these cases the army costing less won. Making them equal cost would have made the battles more one-sided.

[@Xenozfan2]

Conclusion: Void Ray good unit.

[@Олександр45]

Void rays op

[@pinroshan020]

Good thing theyre nerfed once again on a recent patch.

[@quym373]

Mutas mabe stronger against VR

[@alejandrootero8894]

Protoss OP

[@leocaillard2169]

This show how voidray, & toss in general, is a cheated overpowered unit/race.

[@thtupid]

Voids are the counter to corrupters and in a way, vikings. Why should they nerf it even more?

[@wowditto]

@@thtupid don't, if they cant beat protoss they always complain about it

[@anthonylaine8424]

Voyd ans carrier ans mother chips is win games a

[@bengunn9670]

Vikings would win everything if they kited.

[@jgkmoff]

Zerg air kinda sucks tbh

[@Evvkor]

viking stronger and cheaper than corruptor. That is wht blizzard call balance