4070 Super vs 4070 Ti- The Ultimate Comparison!!!

[@danielowentech]

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[@NeVErseeNMeLikEDis]

they suck better to sale on mercari

[@MlnscBoo]

@@NeVErseeNMeLikEDis mercari = scam. No bias, just facts. Jawa prices may be high sometimes, but the probability of being scammed on jawa is abysmal, and even if you do, I've heard good things about customer service. Only saying this because 3-4 years from now I will be selling my RX 6800 and a gtx 970 to fund an upgrade, and I may use Jawa to do it. Just saying

[@RubyKaneki]

no thank you i like more to sell my gpu to person not to company

[@Efsaaneh]

Wow a whole 20 dollars off, now I'll definitely but a 1440p card with 12 gigs of vram

[@Hydra_X9K_Music]

4070 works just fine for me at 1440p.

[@apostolos8734]

@@Hydra_X9K_Music I just got a 4070 and its great but I am hitting vram limits at 1440p on a card that costs 600+ dollars. I don't like how that looks for future titles.

[@Hydra_X9K_Music]

@apostolos8734 Thank you game developers. Optimization is so yesterday am I right? Most new games that come out now look the same or even worse than games that came out back in 2019-2020 but cost like 2x the VRAM. I know people blame the card, and to an extent, I get it. But goddamn have developers gone lazy with optimizing their games.

[@apostolos8734]

@@Hydra_X9K_Music that is also very true.

[@apostolos8734]

@@Hydra_X9K_Music though the game I’m hitting these limits in is the new horizon port at high settings. This port is actually one of the ones that is extremely well done.

[@fatidicusaeternus6498]

Remember when this card was going to be the 4080 for $900?

[@ItsDeeno69]

Ya but nvidia didn't did it but amd did it just by making new naming scheme

[@fatidicusaeternus6498]

@@ItsDeeno69 please try to write more coherently

[@ItsDeeno69]

@@fatidicusaeternus6498 english is not my native 😅

[@brokolski]

​​@@fatidicusaeternus6498 ur mom coherent

[@NULUSIOS]

Thing is, you rarely get same percentage of improvement for the increase in price in ANYTHING. But you still do it because something is under some threshold and something is over some threshold. Usually actual improvement increases arithmetically and price geometrically. Same happens for most consumer goods. Cars or whatever.

[@RFC3514]

27:38 - That sums it up, really.

[@Obie327]

Take away the Tuf ti oc advantage and that falls to only 6 percent higher performance.

[@adlibconstitution1609]

Well both 7800xt and 7900gre is also same vram. Yet 7900gre is a way better buy than the 7800xt.

[@getonmalvl]

Because nobody wants a 12gb card for $700+ 😂

[@emma6648]

Size doesn’t matter 3 is average, it’s not about the size, it’s about how you use it. Though I’d love a 12’er Oh wait you mean GPU vram?

[@maxwallestain9037]

​@@emma6648He means Vram.

[@rangersmith4652]

@@emma6648But where would you put it when it's not in use?

[@philliprokkas195]

Tell that to brand loyalist just 2 months ago

[@GoonyMclinux]

12Gb is the new 4 Gb. 😂

[@krixtorei]

Just forget the about 40 series right now. Prices are still far above what they should be and with the 50 series around the corner it's only a matter of less than a year until the 40s drop off a cliff in price. I have no doubts the 4070 and 4070ti are going to be incredible buys (despite the vram drawback)... AFTER the 50 series releases. For now just save your money and keep your eyes peeled.

[@Serandi1987]

Waiting for a PS5 Pro playing on PC with a 4090 🙌

[@keerthan7558]

idk abt your region but price drops for gpus are very rare and limited in new market , even 2000 series gpu are being sold at their original price still . If there's any chance that's will br in used market

[@Dionyzos]

Yeah I only ever upgrade within the first year of a new generation.

[@darkkingastos4369]

It'll be a year and a half before the mid range and low range cards launch for the 50 series. The 5090 will launch first and they'll wait about 6-7 months later to launch the lower cards

[@arenzricodexd4409]

You will not going to see 40 series price drop because of 50 series release. This time around there is no crypto to flood the market from overproduction or used market like what happen to 30 series. We expect nvidia to launch 50 series by the end of this year but there are already reports saying that nvidia already limiting some 40 series production by Q1 this year. By the time nvidia launch 50 series there won't be much 40 series left on the market.

[@noWoodsman]

I am glad you do 1080p benchmarks Daniel, thanks again for the vids.

[@carrickdubya4765]

I see someone at YT was listening when i complained about the 2-3 min long mandatory commercials, that I in turn cancelled many subscriptions like yours. So it's been a week now and the commercials are back to "normal" and I am ready to start adding back my subs like yours. You are very thorough and I enjoy your commentary. Besides you also are doing this while holding down 2 other jobs (day job and family) and that deserves mad respect.

[@falcon6329]

4070 became a 1080p card in alanwake 2

[@darkfire3691]

Try using path tracing on AMD, gl on becoming 360p card in Alan wake ;).

[@adlibconstitution1609]

So are 7800xt and 7900gre on that game

[@gudhaxer41343]

Pure trash in terms of optimisation😂. Game looks good but not that good

[@ESKATEUK]

They need to bring that 4070 super down to £549. The 4070 is now down at £499, would be nice to see that at £489. 4070ti going for £649 is pretty decent. A drop to £629 would be nice and make it seem a good option if you want a bit more performance over the 4070 super.

[@lifemocker85]

4070TiS should be max 450 after taxes

[@ESKATEUK]

@@lifemocker85 yeah that’s a load of nonsense, you’re in a dreamland.

[@lifemocker85]

@@ESKATEUK overprices are load of nonsense

[@ESKATEUK]

@@lifemocker85 you want to pay 450 for a card that is on par with a 3090ti from last generation. Step out of the dream bubble my friend.

[@lifemocker85]

@@ESKATEUK comparing overpriced to overpriced leads you nowhere

[@Stardomplay]

Thanks Daniel. Your videos have basically shown me I should wait till the 5000 Series to build a Desktop as its already been over a year since the 4000 launch and my 3070 Laptop gives slightly better performance than a stock 3060ti.

[@MrAnimescrazy]

What is your budget going to be for the 5000 series?

[@Stardomplay]

@@MrAnimescrazy $2000

[@MrAnimescrazy]

@@Stardomplay just for the gpu or the entire build?

[@Stardomplay]

@@MrAnimescrazy Honeslty for the entire build. But I can spare a fe hundred dollars over budget because I want a next gen CPU as well considering the top end CPUs are being bottlenecked in unoptimized titles. Very curious what the next Intel platform is going to bring.

[@MrAnimescrazy]

@stardomplays1386 ok so it will be either a low end or mid end build?

[@ipotato95]

Summary: the 4070ti is very often 6-10% better on average with very rare exceptions in either side. Base your choice off getting it within 6% of the same price as they’re the same VRAM

[@AGENTEN-ry6lr]

my old 3080 10gb is still doing great in my girls pc in 2560x1440p. plays everything out there without any issues what so ever, people act like the world goes under if they turn textures down from ultra to high, while also reducing vram usage with 1-2 gigs, thats mostly all that matters for it to be great again. tarkov for example tanks 12.2gb high all setings (ultra) in 2560x1440p, i turn down to medium texture, vram usage goes from 12.2gb to an average of 10gb, without any biggger visual difference, while also gaining 10-15 fps. like come on, y'all really acting like ya'll dying cause of one lowered setting. doing this even a 3080 10gb will live atleast 2-3 more years.

[@detractorandroid33]

The skill issue comment on the MW3 part always kills me 😂😂

[@FazeParticles]

classic and true.

[@Flapjack624]

Literally just picked up a 4070ti for $500 yesterday. Can’t wait to test it out tonight once I get off work

[@MrAnimescrazy]

What are the rest of your specs?

[@clockworklegionaire2135]

Stop the cap nobody selling a 4070 ti for 500$

[@MrAnimescrazy]

@clockworklegionaire2135 I'm sure you know there can be deals or sales. Also that person can live in a different state or country then you and maybe the gpu's can be cheaper.

[@Flapjack624]

@@MrAnimescrazy sold the 4070ti and got a 4070ti super 2 days ago

[@Flapjack624]

@@clockworklegionaire2135 traded my 4070ti and $100 cash for a 4070ti super 2 days ago

[@TheRandomDude-qy1ev]

Sigh... I got a 4070 ti. And within a week I returned it for a 7900 xt instead. I got the 4070 ti, bought into the "ray tracing!!" stuff. Bought it, played cyber punk for 5 minutes( I don't even play the game) got bored. Then.....yeah. There was nothing I wanted to do that used extreme ray tracing. And the card ran into a vram limit in cyberpunk with FG enabled during path tracing at 1440p. Also it was terrible at 4k. it would go from 70 fps to 40. Got the 7900 xt, and it was the best choice I ever made. Oc'd it like a monster and literally gets close to a 4080 in alot of titles. 20 gb of vram, and at 4k I get 20-30 more fps than the ti did on average. Not a single issue either. Funny, people try to make ray tracing out to be a big deal, yet no ones even playing games with it. Don't buy into the nonsense. Get the 7900 xt instead, you'll be happier. And with that said, aside from super super heavy RT titlkes, I have been able to still play most games with RT maxed no problem.

[@Iridiumcosmos]

Thanks for the honest feedback. Whenever it comes to Nvidia, people like to dance around the topic instead of being blunt and direct. Though with their rabid fans, I suppose it can’t be helped. The 7900 XT is definitely a compelling choice for its VRAM. Definitely a GPU I’m saving up for myself.

[@TheRandomDude-qy1ev]

@@Iridiumcosmos The 7900 xt has made gaming fun again for me. Every game, I just put ultra graphics 4k. And with my OC it always reaches 60. Most titles I'm 80-100 4k lol. So clear, so vivid. Not even a single, driver issue. Not even one. PLayed retro, old games, new games doesn't matter. It all simply works. My first AMD card, and honestly I now know how foolish I was. The software alone is incredible. This card doesn't even break a sweat on most titles. Worth the 720 I paid for the hellhound powercolor.

[@Iridiumcosmos]

@@TheRandomDude-qy1ev I believe it. Before I bought a 6700 non XT (now my friend has it). I was with Nvidia because I too got caught up with the bad driver press with Radeon. Decided to bite the bullet and haven’t looked back since. I’m on a 6750 XT now and that thing just does not care. It plays everything at 1440p full tilt with some 4K thrown into the mix. All 6 of our PCs run Ryzen + Radeon now and they’ve all been incredibly reliable.

[@TheRandomDude-qy1ev]

@@Iridiumcosmos 6750xt is the best bang for the buck imo. AWesome deal. 339 at my microcenter. fantastic price, and aproper price for 12gb of Vram. 4070 and its line up are an absolute joke.

[@johndelabretonne2373]

​​@@IridiumcosmosIf you're doing that well with the 6750 XT right now, I'd stick with that for a few more months until AMD launches RDNA4 around the end of summer. You'll basically get 7900 XT performance for $500, and you should still be able to sell your 6750 XT for about $200-250 at that point...

[@ocha-time]

6800XT steals can be found on ebay for around the $300-350 mark. Nvidia's got a lot of price dropping to do.

[@arenzricodexd4409]

Nah 80% of people will still going to buy expensive nvidia gpu. Plus not everyone comfortable buying used.

[@TheLivedeath]

Some people like ray tracing visuals so have to go Nvidia

[@Nazhuk]

New 6800 xt costs around 550€ in Germany. I would rather buy 4070 for the same price. Newer card than 6800 xt with same performence and more features.

[@TheLivedeath]

@@Nazhuk 6800 XT is one gen old. You can a used one much cheaper than 4070. I just checked Ebay Germany. Used 6800 XT is only 400€

[@morpheus_9]

Why I buy AMD because the 4070 only has 12GB of VRAM, the 7800XT/79GRE has 16GB and the GRE is faster than the 4070 Super by a bit

[@Fronioll9973]

i care about ray tracing and nvidia slaps amd with it and dude dlss is far better than shitty fsr

[@hrvojemilicevic3309]

5% faster, still loses in some games to 4070 super.

[@BEARTAC0S]

Not sure if this was a glitch or what but I just picked up a sapphire nitro + 7900xtx for $700 on amazon…that’s the same price as a 4070ti lol

[@anthonybaker5199]

Damn that's a steal price.

[@hambugre]

Honestly, you're the best tech channel I've seen. Very well versed in tech and very well spoken. 10/10

[@adis.g6569]

Is TI super going down too?

[@vedranjakic3070]

Well...not here in south Europe. 4070 is around 750€, 4070S 850€, 4070 ti 950-1000€, 4070 ti super 1100-1300€. Take into consideration that dollar to euro exchange rate is pretty much 1:1 and those prices are with tax included. Crazy expensive. Amd is a little bit cheaper, but not that much to make people switch.

[@12th_Carnival]

In France/Italy the prices are €200 lower

[@Bingfast]

Yeah, that’s why I didn’t upgrade to the 4070 ti super because the 4070 super is about the same performance which would mean I’m basically paying 200 dollars for a ti upgrade and I’m not doing that and I really don’t need it because I only have a 1080p monitor

[@cheetos3269]

4070 ti super is actually quite a bit better, and it has 16 gbs of vram. At 1080p, a 3060 ti is pushing the overkill level. At 1080p you won't have a problem. 12gb of vram at 1440p is enough but it can get close in some games in some settings.

[@mosesdavid5536]

Reminder a 3070 would be a massive upgrade for 90% of people here.

[@lifemocker85]

even 12gb gpu is stupid in 2020s

[@mosesdavid5536]

@@lifemocker85 Which gpu do you currently have?

[@nicane-9966]

@@mosesdavid5536he just hates on the cards in every comment and every video especially the 12gb ones doubth he has one.

[@mosesdavid5536]

@@nicane-9966 Wait he has a 12gb card hahaha.... This is too ironic

[@KryssN1]

I’m sorry Daniel, but 50€ price drop and 10% difference is not something I would be excited about.😢

[@Booth73]

I swear idk what it is but I've tried to run afterburner myself to get benchmark numbers and for some reason when I click all the buttons to show onscreen like yours does I get just basic settings. Don't get average frame times 1% or .1% lows idk what it is but I can't get any of it to show up. Been driving me crazy

[@danielowentech]

To get averages and 1% lows make sure you set a hotkey to start a new benchmark capture.

[@Booth73]

@danielowentech oh. U have to set a hotkey to get them to even show up? Good grief I feel.like an idiot now

[@NNSenpai]

in my country difference betweeen 4070ti and 4070s is 30$ would it be worth it then for extra 10%?

[@w9s992]

yes

[@MilezAwxy]

i'll always watch ur vids cuz you're one of the few channels that tests 1080p, as you said there's always people that use mid range or even high end gpus on 1080p monitors & im one of them.

[@Natsufn7]

Which one should I get if they are at the same price?

[@hannes0000]

4070ti is better

[@MrRainyCity]

Look at temperatures! I got a 4070 ti for $50 less from BB and am super happy at 1440p. Mileage may vary but was sick and tired of AMD image artifacts since upscaling is almost unavoidable and ray tracing is sublime in a few games where I had to keep it off.

[@ADOS_DSGB]

What's the best way to sell my Rog Ally and 3080 XG Mobile?

[@deeplerg7913]

For some reason I can't replicate the Cyberpunk numbers for 1080p RT Overdrive (both native and DLSS Q). I'm getting around 36-37 average native and a 67 average with DLSS Q. I've noticed in the final screen of the benchmark your FPS (1080p, DLSS Q) jumps into the 80s when the camera is pointed at the sky, yet my FPS is nowhere near that. i7 11700 non-k asus dual 4070 super 2x16gb@3200 nvme with ram cache I am using virtualization for development, but even after disabling everything I only gain around 3-5%, still not the 10% difference as seen in the benchmark. Now, I'm not claiming it's fake, I just want to figure out what's wrong and how to bump up my fps numbers

[@ziem0witt]

A much faster processor (7800X3D), which is most important in 1080p. You also have DDR4, here DDR5 is faster. All this has a huge impact on performance.

[@deeplerg7913]

@@ziem0witt the processor is faster, true, but my cpu busy hovers around the same value as gpu busy. So I'm thinking it must be the RAM

[@curtishorn1267]

But the 4070 TI has dual encoders, so depending on use case, that may be there deciding factor.

[@kotztotz3530]

Just was gonna comment this. For most people it doesn't matter, but definitely worth noting

[@Stardomplay]

Can you please explain the advantage application of dual encoders?

[@rzkrdn8650]

@@StardomplayGaming and streaming at the same time for the most part

[@moldyshishkabob]

@@StardomplayFrom a quick Google search, it seems that it's very useful for VR, where encoder performance on RTX 30 series and RX 6000 series was the main bottleneck for performance. Not sure as to other applications (or the validity of this claim, as I don't know much about VR).

[@standarsh8056]

No it wont

[@rileyparrish184]

You talked about showing benchmarks with reasonable settings.. why not show reasonable ray tracing settings in Alan Wake 2 where ~60fps can still be achieved?

[@faisalalqhtani3942]

Hello Daniel do you use screen capture with same pc? Because i have the same system as you with 7800x3d and 4070 ti and am getting 46avg and 38lows in cyberpunk RT overdrive settling

[@nifftwatkins3135]

At $699 the Pulse 7900 xt is a great deal. It's a very quiet card.

[@benjamind547]

I wouldn't call $700 a "great deal" for a GPU lol. But contextually speaking, I would still take a 4070 Ti over a 7900XT, but that's only because I'm thinking about doing streaming, video editing, photography...etc

[@Iridiumcosmos]

@@benjamind547The 7900 XT handles video editing and photography just fine too lol.

[@benjamind547]

@@Iridiumcosmos I kind of agree on photography since it's not particularly demanding as a task, but Nvidia is quite a bit better at video editing and streaming. I don't put too much stock in this claim that 12GB isn't enough - it is. It just could be more for the price paid, but it is what it is.

[@TouzeenHussain]

please do a 4070ti vs 7900GRE video...i think they go head to head (no rt)

[@AGENTEN-ry6lr]

im insanely happy with my 4070ti, it absolutely smashes most games out there in 3440x1440p.

[@zirkizirki3111]

does anyone know what the program to capture fps is called?

[@AntonioHernandez-bi7qy]

Riva statistic tuner, comes with Msi afterburner.

[@Jahsnee]

What driver version?

[@Sp3cialk304]

I am so glad you show more than just raster only native benchmarks. That's such a dated way of benchmarking. It's not 2020 anymore. RT is here to stay, and DLSS gives equal to better image quality in modern AAA games. It's just superior to TSA and FXAA. And unfortunately MSAA and SSAA are far to demanding for the poly counts and level of detail we now have. Showing real world use case is such a breathe of fresh air. No one is playing Path Traced Alan Wake 2 or Cyberpunk without DLSS Ray Reconstruction. Without ray reconstruction the lighting looks almost blocky/pixelated and it's grainy. Games take on average 5 years to make. These techs are 5 years old. We are now getting games built with RT and upscaling in mind from day one. And I love it, biggest jump in image quality we've had since we went from PS2 to Xbox 360.

[@zbigniewkrajewski7536]

Daniel you will laugh from me, but somehow i find both useful for me as spectator and funny at the same time when you float on screen with your finger showing exact values from tests etc. I really like it

[@terryng8892]

Thank you for all that data but for value buyer would be the Super that allow dip to 4K game play otherwise go with TI Super or 7900 GRE/XT with more VRAM.

[@cybernd6426]

Here in Germany you can get a RX 7900 XT for 20€ more than the RTX 4070 Ti. And if you ask me, it is worth to spend the 20€ more, if you want that price range. 12GB are not enough in my opinion for 699€ and the 12GB in my opinion is a no-go at that price and being so close to a 16GB+ card. For the 4070 Super I can say it is fine, but even there I would sometimes think if I wouldn't rather have the GB instead of better RT with something like the 7900 GRE, especially now that you can oc the VRAM

[@Haddley333]

Nice pic

[@cybernd6426]

@@Haddley333 thanks yours to

[@stangamer1151]

You are claiming that 12GB "is not enough", but do not specify exact cases. So it does not represent the actual user experience. A year ago I chose 4070 Ti over 7900 XT (their prices were equal) and never had any regrets. Love how DLSS improves image quality over native TAA in many games at 4K. Also DLDSR is a great downscaler, which scales well under 4x factor (unlike DSR or VSR). And better RT performance is a nice bonus. The only time I had problems with VRAM capacity was in Ratchet & Clank. At 4K/Max RT it needs more than 12GB, even with DLSS set to Performance. So I had to choose 1440p instead. But since this game looks great even at 1440p, thanks to DLAA, I would not call it a major disadvantage. Plus, 7900 XT can not run this game with maxed RT anyway, even at 1440p, let alone 4K. So even in this case 4070 Ti is superior to 7900 XT. I'd argue 4070 Ti was and still is a better buy, if price is similar.

[@cybernd6426]

​@@stangamer1151I do not claim 12GB is not enough. I claim it isn't enough for that price range. And I also don't mean for now either, although there are already games that can exceed 12GB of VRAM usage on 1440p or 4K, although I don't think it is a problem at the moment and won't really give you a worse experience. Further more DLSS doesn't really improve image quality over native at least, I think Hardware Unboxed made that testing multiple times and didn't find stuff. Furthermore, you already talked about a game that has problems with VRAM, and that is at the moment, imagine how it could end in the future. I also recommend a talk from Hardware unboxed on that topic. They go into detail, why 12GB won't be the best in the future, but will also probably not cause a lot of problems, if you are willing to lower the settings. RT and Frame Gen also like to use more VRAM, and even if you don't need it or can't have the best settings any more, you would still be able to higher the texture quality on a GPU with more VRAM. I agree that RT performs better without a doubt. The question is just how often do you plan on upgrading. If you plan on keeping the GPU for longer I would go with the 7900 XT, because it has more VRAM, while if you only want to keep it for a few years the 4070 Ti will be a good choice, because it has better RT. If the 4070 Ti had 16GB at the same price as the 7900 XT I would say the 4070 Ti would be the better choice, no matter what. But the 12GB isn't enough at that price range. I would even consider going with another GPU over the 4070 to get more than 12GB, although I think that is more acceptable at that price range. And I agree that DLAA is something that looks good, and AMD needs an answer for, although not that dramatically as they need to release a better version of FSR. And if you would go with the 7900 GRE nowadays and oc the VRAM you could even get as much performance as the 4070 Ti, in not RT work loads at 4K (1440p is different), at least according to the testing of Hardware Unboxed. Which is in my opinion a really bad position for the 4070 Ti to be in, in my opinion, because even then you get more VRAM. And like I said this is different if you look at RT, but the 12GB could also cause some problems with that in the future. I mean look at the 3070 vs 6800, where normally the 3070 is better in RT, but now that 8GB isn't enough any more, the 6800 is sometimes better, although I don't think we will see that big of a difference with 12GB vs 16+GB cards. And with all this I would personally not buy or recommend the 4070 Ti at a similar price, it needs either to go lower, like way lower (in my opinion $650 or less, in my opinion less). The 12GB is a no-go in my opinion in that price range. So I disagree, that the 4070 Ti is superior. Both have their reason for someone to go with. If you mainly want to use RT for a few years the 4070 Ti will be better. If you want to keep your GPU longer and want to be able to use higher texture quality, I would go with the 7900 XT without a doubt, same for a Linux system, but those aren't as common

[@stangamer1151]

@@cybernd6426 I do not understand how a certain price range correlates with the amount of VRAM. Only real results are important. And in reality 12GB are always enough for 1440p and usually enough for 4K, excluding some rare occasions. The situation has not really changed over a year. R&C was and still is the only game that could potentially offer playable framerate on 4070 Ti at 4K/Max RT/DLSS. Other games provide unplayable framerates long before they reach 12GB VRAM limit. Even if 4070 Ti had 24GB, it would not really change anything right now, except few rare edge cases. As concerns future, I doubt 12GB buffer suddenly becomes a big issue, at least until new gen consoles release (PS6 etc.), which definitely won't happen until 2027. And by the time 12GB is not enough for new games with RT, 4070 Ti will also lack compute power to run RT games, since they will become more demanding not only in terms of VRAM, but also in terms of raw power. HUB themselves said that Death Stranding at 4K looks better than native with DLSS set to Quality. Unfortunately they tested only a few games and no mods. So I can add that both RotTR and SotTR at 4K look better than native with DLSS Quality as well. Also 5 latest RE games also look better with (modded) DLSS Quality rather than at native 4K. So there are 8 games, that look better with DLSS. If you add DLDSR to this equation, which lets you tune rendered resolution to fit your needs, this makes Nvidia cards superior image quality wise. For example, if you have 1440p screen, you can enable DLDSR to render game at 4K and then apply DLSS Balanced preset. This way any game looks much better than at native 1440p (even with DLAA), but performs very similar (if not a bit better). Since AMD do not offer any alternative to either DLSS, DLAA or DLDSR (FSR 3.1 is yet to be released), 4070 Ti offers supperior image quality to 7900 XT. I meant that IMO 4070 Ti was and still is clearly superior to 7900 XT. The latter can definitely offer better experience at native 4K w/o RT, but it is simply not powerful enough for majority of modern AAA games to run them at 4K. So in 99% of cases those additional 8GB of VRAM do not really help this card in any meaningful way. In 5 years 7900 XT can potentially become a decent option for 1080p resolution, which will be capable to run games with highest quality textures. But who will be interested in this card then? Currently people buy 7900 XT for QHD, WQHD or UHD screens. So by the time this card becomes too weak for these resolutions, they will sell it and get more powerful card. Same thing will happen with 4070 Ti. So there is not much difference between these cards.

[@Banannya]

🌿Hi ฅ◕.◕ฅ, please tell me the coldest possible PC assembly with a 5070 ti graphics card (I know it hasn't been released yet, but I'm looking at it) and some kind of cold processor (I don't understand anything about this, the current PC is: 1050 ti, fx 6300, I don't know what kind of motherboard, maybe from the Mesozoic era) not water-cooled (I am very afraid that the water may leak and carry away the components)🌿

[@elirantuil5003]

Overclocked 7900 gre vs 4070 super including RT when?

[@tw1tch09]

One things for sure, dans always worth a view and a sub

[@lolmao500]

Crazy that a 950$CAN card can only give like 40fps at 1080p in cyberpunk. We're getting ripped off. In canada, the 4070Ti is 19% more money than a 4070 Super.

[@michaelthompson9798]

I feel the 4070Ti 12GB should be done like what Radeon did with the 7800XT and 7900GRE with a $50 difference and do the 4070 Super at $599 and 4070Ti 12GB at $649 to make the 4070Ti 12GB an option and get rid of this superseded model.

[@adlibconstitution1609]

That is why I don't get people saying 7800xt is best price performance when 7900gre is only $50 moee

[@EnnTomi1]

Vr user here 12 is like 8g ram for pc in 2020, it is ok, but anything aaa title or higher res need more than this . If. We are not the one that’s pushing it. Who else ?

[@jeffreyrodriguez9009]

Managed to get a 4070ti OC for 650 like new when the super dropped

[@TheSektor13]

Also 4070ti uses 50W more. Not so efficient as other 40xx series.

[@kanta32100]

It has more shaders/rt cores and higher clock speed, also has better encoder for streaming. It's still efficient compared to 3090..

[@jorge69696]

@@kanta32100 It's substantially less efficient than the 4070 super.

[@stangamer1151]

4070 Super is literally undervolted 4070 Ti. These cards are very similar in terms of TDP, if you do not take into account power limits. Smartly undervolted 4070 Ti power draw is the same as stock 4070 Super.

[@ravenstarfire8816]

@@kanta32100 Plus the 4070ti has DUAL Encoders for faster processing/video editing and rendering.

[@mrhassell]

Intresting, just looking on eBay, you can get an RTX 3080 for around $500 AUD these days.

[@ivann4512]

why are you even doing 4k comparison with GPUs which are not ment to be played at 4k resolution. At least when we are speaking about new AAA titles obviously.

[@tomtomkowski7653]

Too close to the 50xx series to care and both these cards have the same problem which is 12GB of VRAM. Every card for $500+ (console price) should have 16GB these days.

[@cynthiaandoh9575]

I agree that cards $500 and up should be 16 instead of 12. But a 4070 is more of a 1440p card. At which 12 GB of vram should be just fine

[@adrianogil]

Dude, 4070/ti/4080 don’t have a big jump into this GPU, just 4090 . For you doing videos like your, look the whole picture , price fluctuation, different regions price, for me in Brazil the difference is R$4500 (4070s) to R$5000(4070ti) here worth pay a little extra for a little extra fps.

[@Alexruja3227]

Funny enough I just bought the 4070 ti, in my contry the Asus Dual OC 4070 super was 660€, while the 4070 ti was 730€, I decided to just go for it. It will take 2 weeks to ship to so thats bad as hell🤣

[@lifemocker85]

return it

[@Alexruja3227]

@@lifemocker85 nah, the SUPER would get to my place on the 5th of april, the Ti will come on the 8th. So no big difference there

[@lifemocker85]

@@Alexruja3227 I mean its stupid to get 12gb gpu in 2020s

[@Alexruja3227]

@@lifemocker85 it depends on the use

[@lifemocker85]

@@Alexruja3227 no longevity with only 12gb

[@CKBEntertainment]

Just snagged the 7900xt @$699 so I should be good for the next 6 months. Thanks for the vids.

[@Lukeless123]

You’ll be good for like the next like 2-3 years

[@ESKATEUK]

Who on earth spends $700 on a card for it to be good for the next 6months? Are you stupid? That card will be fine for years.

[@arkgaharandan5881]

They should drop the price of the card that needs to be cheaper, the 4050.

[@1Enas1]

I bought a 4070 super as a 1080p card so it can last me for years(at least until ps6 comes). For alan wake 2 it is still not enough. I play at superampling 1440p quality mode for a 60fps experience with rt.

[@cheetos3269]

Then it isn't technically 1080p. Also, it is definitely enough because you can't expect settings that are supposed to be for a 4090 to run flawlessly on a way weaker gpu.

[@ScreamerRSA]

Imagine having paid $800+ for a 12GB card. Must sting, but I'll bet those people will stand in queue next year and buy Nvidia again.

[@lifemocker85]

thats planned obsolescence for ya

[@MrMethadrine]

Tell me one game that uses 12gb...

[@Jamie71q]

I still think the 7900GRE is a great deal

[@Daisudori]

7900GREAT

[@yellowfuntvix1459]

No Because 4070S will beat even 7900XT due to DLSS & FG.

[@RX7800XTBenchmarks]

​@@yellowfuntvix1459 false. Fsr3 renders more frames. Also has the vram to utilise it more better, and at higher resolutions. There won't be a stutter fest like there would be on the 4070s. I already have videos showing the significant FPS increase of fsr3 on AMD GPU. Turn frame gen ON at resolutions higher than 1440p and the 4070/4070s/4070ti starts crying.

[@cynthiaandoh9575]

It is a good deal

[@cynthiaandoh9575]

​@@RX7800XTBenchmarks But it's at a worse image quality

[@ugmo0722]

I came from a 2070 laptop to a 4070 ti idc about the vram crap . By the time 12gb ACTUALLY becomes crippling I’ll have enough to buy a even better card

[@MrAnimescrazy]

I think because most of the tech channels play games at the maxed out settings with and without raytracing they have over dramatized the vram complaints. Most people don't play at ultra settings with everything maxed out. I think 12 gigs will be good for several more years but people may have to turn down the settings.

[@DirkDjently]

@@MrAnimescrazythe problem isn't that 12 Gigs isn't enough to work at all, the problem is that it's just needlessly low for this price range and won't be useful for as long

[@MrAnimescrazy]

@@DirkDjently people will make it work for the settings and games they play.

[@DirkDjently]

@@MrAnimescrazy of course they will. That has nothing to do with what I said, though.

[@MrAnimescrazy]

@@DirkDjently you buy the card or not it is really that simple or you can buy used or wait for deals or go with last gen or amd current gen or amd last gen.

[@brandon_nope]

you should include that Path Tracing optimization mod for Cyberpunk 2077 to improve performance

[@LordShinqx]

in my country i can get a rx 7900 xt for 719 euros and the rtx 4070 ti is 699 euros its kinda obvious whats better the 4000 series prices are just a mess

[@chrisvig123]

In Canada they just rot on the shelves…4080 super and non super no one buys

[@alkine3011]

​@chrisvig123 That's crazy around me in the US they still can't keep the 4080 Supers in stock... They'll load up places like Microcenter and Best Buy and within hours they're sold out again.

[@lucas6909]

The ti beats the super by about 10% but costs 15% more where i am and uses about 20% more power, i’m content with the super as the value king

[@Roland_Deschain_of_Gilead19]

You mean 4080 12GB... Nvidia would never use a word that Siri always autocorrects, like "unlaunch" for instance.

[@danut05]

Is the 4070 Ti Super worth the $830 price tag?

[@cybervoid8442]

Are you making a horizon forbidden west video too?

[@L77kim77l]

"As low as" lol. GPU prices are still ridiculous.

[@TheVillainOfTheYear]

Instead of 1080p for graphics benchmark games (Alan Wake 2, CP2077) on mid-high end cards, can we please have 3440x1440 benchmarks? Nobody ever benchmarks that, and increasingly more people are switching to ultrawides like myself. It's more intense than 1440, but not quite 4K, but I still want to know what I need. Thank you for considering.

[@Torso6131]

I heard discounts and my monkey brain thought "Oh hey I could maybe pick one of these up to get better 4k performance over my 6700xt I bought a few years ago." Not enough for the price, yeesh. I mean, obviously it performs quite a bit better but damn, best to wait until an upgrade will feel hugely better instead of just better at these pricepoints.

[@megadeth8592]

nvidia will never let their '70 class cards play 4k at reasonable frames again....7900xtx/4080s/4090 are the only real 4k cards right now.....

[@yellowfuntvix1459]

​@@megadeth8592 even in CP2077 with 4090 we should enable DLLS in order to obtain more than 60 FPS ^). Therefore 4070S is better than 7900xt for 4K games.

[@Torso6131]

​@@megadeth8592 Yeah, I've definitely gotten that sentiment. I'm fine playing at DLSS/FSR2 Balanced or even performance mode, I just hate that they're limiting these cards on the VRAM as well. Doesn't give me a lot of confidence.

[@MrAnimescrazy]

​@@yellowfuntvix1459you can lower the settings and or turn off raytracing for acceptable performance for cyberpunk

[@yunehsn2725]

in my country the 4070 super cost 720$ (usd) and the 4070ti cost 950$ so obviously i went for the super

[@Sam-xd6bp]

Tito

[@TheLongWind]

We really need Intel and AMD and anyone else to get into GPU's to take away NVIDIA'S advantage. The 4070TI is insulting in terms of price.

[@roosterfu231]

I paid $599 for a regular old 4070 about a month before the Super version came out, who's laughing now Nvidia!!

[@LouisDuran]

These two GPUs will be $499 and $599 on Black Friday. Just wait

[@morpheus_9]

Im happy with my 6750XT running at 2960MHz!

[@rangersmith4652]

The 4070 and 4070Ti are dumb cards at any price over about $400. Always have been. Not because they're not good. They are good -- until the game asks for VRAM they don't have. At their power level, they should have been designed to use 16GB.

[@stirfrysensei]

What game at 1440p ULTRA settings is using more than 12GB of VRAM in this video? I double checked and couldn’t find one.

[@Joostinonline]

Depends on the games you play. It's certainly not going to be a problem for eSports players. And 12GB isn't currently a problem. But it very much could be. Usually people exaggerate about how much VRAM is needed, but 8gb did hold back the 3070 a lot.

[@benjamind547]

vRAM usage isn't the be-all-and-end-all. There are plenty of situations when a card with less vRAM will outperform a card with more vRAM.

[@lifemocker85]

12gb gpus are just stupid in 2020s and 4070TiS should be 450 max after taxes

[@reviewforthetube6485]

Still crazy to see the 4070 super and 4070ti do what the 3090 does lol

[@RudolfSikorsky]

I am getting slightly used 4070ti Super for 550 euros. Wouldn't pay more and that should be MSRP for that card. Not penny more. Rather less.

[@lifemocker85]

overpriced and its stupid to get 12gb gpu in 2020s

[@RudolfSikorsky]

@@lifemocker85 550 euros for 2 months used 4070ti Super is good price in nowadays market. And it has 16 GB of VRAM.

[@lifemocker85]

@@RudolfSikorsky correct price 450

[@RudolfSikorsky]

@@lifemocker85 I agree. But you can't get it for 450.

[@lifemocker85]

@@RudolfSikorsky thats why you only buy used 6000 serie

[@blackie75]

they're the same price where i live at the moment, so i just got the TI

[@TJones4L]

4070 TI vs 7900 GRE PLEASE 🙏🏽

[@danielowentech]

The 4070 Ti is a price competitor with the 7900 XT, not the GRE. The 7900 GRE is a price competitor with the 4070 (here's my video): kzbin.info/www/bejne/ioqzlGRjg9WsmK8 and maybe the 4070 Super (here's my video): kzbin.info/www/bejne/in2oenechJubaKc

[@bjvink0130]

@@danielowentech also in your latest video about the 7900 gre, you were able to get 15% more performance out of it so i'd say it's kinda a no brainer

[@nicane-9966]

@@danielowentechi guess he is talking from a performance aspect, likely would be matching the 4070 ti with the 10% extra perf or even maybe beating it slightly....

[@TJones4L]

@@nicane-9966 yes this ! It would be an interesting performance match up haha

[@oldRighty1]

@@danielowentechthe GRE with the new overclocking capability seems like it could be a performance competitor to the 4070 TI at a great price.

[@ThePlantoparadise]

Not buying a GPU with that awful 12VHPWR connector, no thank you!

[@cynthiaandoh9575]

I have one and it ain't so bad so far. Just plug it in all the way

[@lolmao500]

Meanwhile the rtx5000 series will cost even more money because nvidia is now hooked on their ai gpu profit margins.

[@bhgpharmacy3540]

maybe if it was 400-500 i might buy it because y would i spend 600+ for 12gb vram when i might aswell keep my 6700xt until the new gpus come out and the rest drop so i can buy them

[@Torso6131]

This is exactly where I'm at too. I have my 6700xt hooked up to my 4k TV in my living room, and while higher resolutions do look better at my viewing distance, I feel like that same viewing distance is also masking the flaws of FSR2 quite nicely in some cases. Best to wait until a bigger performance jump lets the hardware mature more around ray tracing and UE5 games.

[@bhgpharmacy3540]

yup and the fix up of FSR3.1 coming out @@Torso6131

[@lifemocker85]

12gb gpus are just stupid in 2020s and 4070TiS should be 450 max after taxes

[@bhgpharmacy3540]

?@@lifemocker85

[@hoangtudaden1304]

will it be worth it if going from 4070 to the 4070 ti

[@s0ad29]

25-30 % extra power.

[@freddylippstick674]

@@s0ad29 @stock settings , the 4070ti uses WAYYYYY to MUCH power than it actually needs.. with the right settings the 4070ti consumption easily can be tweaked close to that of a 4070 whitout a performance hit.

[@s0ad29]

@@freddylippstick674 Yeah I run my RTX 4070 Ti at 900mV @ 2600 MHz and + 1000 on vram :)

[@freddylippstick674]

@@s0ad29 at 900mV? Do you use Curve method? It's way easier to just use powerlimit in msi, and it just is as accurate to hit the hard power cap imo 😉👌.. Curve method is way to much time consuming, and honestly confusing ... !

[@userbunny14]

Lol everywhere I look the 4070 ti and the 4070 ti super are the exact same prices. yikes. I'll take the super.

[@ADOS_DSGB]

I'm still holding out for the 4080 Super to drop to $1K.

[@ok-70707]

Buy a used one

[@ADOS_DSGB]

@@ok-70707 where?

[@ok-70707]

@@ADOS_DSGB your mom

[@robertspencer1802]

I'll still stick with my 3090 with 24gb of memory.

[@foxtrap614tango8]

Should anyone really being buying Nivida cards since we know 5000 series is launching soon. Nivida stopped all production of 4000 series die in preparation. For these prices may as well wait and see what the new models bring.

[@luisgustavodossantosrodrig2005]

to be honest the release gonna be like rtx 5090 and rtx 5080, so the people that go for the 4090 and 4080 make sene to wait until the new release, for the 4070 and 4060 buyers gona be another 1 year or so to the release

[@luisgustavodossantosrodrig2005]

btw the 4090 and the 4060 have a gap in the release time of 7 months

[@nicane-9966]

the replacements for the 70s are not out before 2025. you will only have a replacement for the 4090 likely at close to 2k dls and potentially very late december 5080 (maybe).

[@foxtrap614tango8]

@@luisgustavodossantosrodrig2005shoot that is true.

[@kazahstan_alga]

Великолепный анализ!

[@Arkeny-SS]

jesus why at 4k.. when 1440p is the real thing .

[@Liam_blake00]

130 for my 3060ti...yeah thats not a great offer jawa is the we buy any car of gpu's lol

[@cheetos3269]

They have to make money somehow. There is just no way around it and it is pretty much a last resort if you want to get rid of something pc related.

[@Typhy7]

$600 is already too much money for a 12 gig card. Anything more than that is just a joke.

[@lifemocker85]

correct price for 4070TiS is 450 after taxes

[@cynthiaandoh9575]

​@@lifemocker85 That's just unrealistic. You are not getting that caliber of card for that price. It's 3090 levels of performance. You won't get that for the price of used PS5 from GameStop 💀

[@marcusaurelius2921]

Good comparison, now what about the 4080 12GB Super? /s

[@annamaria-pv1fw]

thx

[@joaquinm7502]

I bought the 4070Ti from Dell for $600 and I think it is a good price. I was looking for the 4070 Super when I found this for the same price, approximately after rebate. I got this to replace a 3080 in a NZXT H1 V2.

[@lifemocker85]

overpaid

[@joaquinm7502]

@@lifemocker85 OK, I think it is worth it.

[@lifemocker85]

@@joaquinm7502 12gb gpus are waste of money in 2020s

[@jlee975]

what the hell? why are games this ridicoulously demanding?!?

[@drago939393]

Notify me when the price is like $350.

[@MS10x]

Talk to you in 2030 then

[@magnusnilsson9792]

Exactly, that's where it needs to be. I can get a RX6800 for $350