Who Was The False Primarch? - 40K Theories

Just who or what was the mysterious instigator behind the War of the False Primarch?
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[@hollyhandgrenade42]

Wasn't me.

[@kingjonstarkgeryan8573]

This is actually surprising.

[@matics453]

I don't believe you I believe you What I just said is a lie

[@shoootme]

Why do I not believe you....

[@ulfhunden]

Seems legit.

[@TenPtJackalope]

Bullshit, it was you. It's ALWAYS you. Every time.

[@RecoveringLoLAddict]

I can only picture Rogal Dorn with the most stoic expression saying : He was a Primarch, whose description suggests he was not.

[@barrybend7189]

Or Boreal screaming saying this is not a primarch that's a heretic astartes.

[@beroning]

Yes

[@serotonin.scavenger]

This is true.

[@illianstrange5556]

Yes

[@a.gravemistake3061]

If Fabius Bile ever cloned Corax, I guarantee his first words were, "You're not my real dad."

[@kurayamaking6425]

Or "Send me to the eye of terror, I have a death oath. "

[@nidhoggvomwalde2280]

But I am ur father, dude.

[@a.morphous66]

​@@nidhoggvomwalde2280 "Fuck off, I was having a miserable time brooding in the Retconnian before you came along, let me go back."

[@nathanh5965]

He would also bathe Fabius in a slew of new curse words.

[@mattaffenit9898]

Hah!

[@jonathandavies1716]

A primaris got out of stasis early. Compared his stats to everyone else and jumped to conclusions.

[@3millionhands166]

Seems legit lad

[@LarryLarsoLarry]

My extra wound deems me holy

[@redskinner8565]

😂😂😂😂

[@mercenarygundam1487]

Makes sense to me

[@richmcgee434]

Also, he's taller than Alpharius. So, perfectly reasonable.

[@duaneepps7346]

I think they were ~6 grots standing on top of each other, wrapped in a trench coat.

[@ericm3327]

Duane Epps 10 grots you mean

[@myview5840]

They would of got away with it, if it wasn't for those pesky space marines

[@Crazyd6666]

It's plausible if they believed hard enough with their gestalt psychic field shenanigans.

[@gabork5055]

@@myview5840 They didn't expect ultramarine instinct Shaggy.

[@arklados3596]

@@gabork5055They didn't expect CATO SICARIUS you mean.

[@Kalenz1234]

A primarch at the head of eleven chapters would not lose against mere five chapters no matter how brutal the latter are. It had to be a fake.

[@projectbiology5726]

Kalenz it wouldn’t be a straight up fight. There wouldn’t be all five chapters against all eleven on a single world.

[@simd3082]

Everyone kinda forget how its not 5 chapters vs 11. Its 11 chapters vs tons and tons of imperial navy and guardsmen AND 5 chapters.

[@josemontalvomelendez5642]

You underestimate how ruthless those 5 chapters are when it comes to waging campaings. Ex- charcharodons astra have a reputation for leaving no survivors when they attack a planet

[@Hellsong89]

@@josemontalvomelendez5642 Also ruthless enough to delete any and all witnesses from solar system and beyond, including all imperial navy and guard elements. Its a total waste, but not unheard of and would also explain why they were chosen.

[@christophercombs7561]

@@josemontalvomelendez5642 na a real primarch would never lost that fight 11 chapters anda real primarch would have run circles around the others

[@TDBoedy]

I'd go with - The High Lords of Terra tried to create another Primarch - and it got out of control.

[@somerandomguyfromthebeyond1821]

Will be funny if said clone happen to bump into leman russ

[@peasant8162]

What do you even base that on lol dafuq

[@reecedignan8365]

My theory is that the “False Primach” was a son of one of the Lost Primarchs. As we have no idea what happened to either of them, nor do we know what happens to their Legions, it could be possible that a surviving member of such legion could potentially have had visions that gave him insight into his primachs death and so on, and potentially took up their mantle as a defiance or so on. It would explain why many chapter decided to join with this false primach and why so many had to be put down fully as if all said chapter came from a single source (I.e. the same primach).

[@christianmoralesortiz4688]

Hmm, maybe

[@abowden556]

It's heavilly inmplied the lost legions were absorbed into the imperial fists and Ultramarines.

[@golgarisoul]

Alpharius, Omegon, *[REDACTED]*

[@majordakka5743]

Alpharius, Omegon, Sigmar FTFY

[@Sigmar_Heldenhammer]

Major Dakka WHO HAST SUMMONED ME.

[@YahYakBandan]

Alpharius, Omegon... SLY MARBO

[@OmniGSage]

@@YahYakBandan AÀAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!!!

[@PhantorumPrime117]

Omicronus

[@yubyubyub1960]

"We are Alpha Legion and we take the long view."---- said Omegon as they stood in front of the giant clothes conveyor picking which outfits they want to cosplay as random Imperial super warriors today with.

[@richmcgee434]

They're just frustrated that none of them are ripped enough to cosplay as Sly Marbo convincingly.

[@oscarcordero7811]

I honestly dont know but i wanna see Fulgrim's Clone return to the Imperium but this time as a Loyalist and Rebuild the Emperors Children Chapter

[@velphidrow8317]

I'm pretty sure the Fulgrim clone was loyal because it wasn't tainted by the Laer blade and that's why Fabius sold it for whatever change Trayzen had in his pockets

[@Tanner151]

I always imagined that the False Primarch was a Space Marine Chapter Master who was egotistical and very famous in that part of the galaxy who led a loose coalition of Chapters in defense of the area. During a campaign, he disappears for several days while attacking a traitor stronghold, and when he emerges he proclaims he had conversed with the Emperor’s soul and that he was given powers to elevate him as Primarch. So he emerges larger, more powerful and somewhat psychic. He is very charismatic and a genius strategist. He declares the High Lords are corrupt and swears to dethrone them. In the process the coalition he led became his followers, enthralled by his “Primarch” aura and bonds of brotherhood. Eventually the Imperium responds and declares him a heretic and a long war is fought until 5 full Chapters are assembled to take down the traitors. At the end of it all, it is discovered that the False Primarch was captured and brainwashed by Fabius Bile, who chemically altered the Space Marine’s body to become larger and more Primarch like. So it was all an experiment by Bile.

[@williamrussell7061]

My only wonder and it's based off Bile's clones of the Primary is, what would a clone of Angron be like since he wouldn't have the butcher's nail implant killing him?

[@matthewbennett1972]

William Russell probably a noble and fierce warrior someone who could put Robute in his place

[@MediumRareOpinions]

I always thought the cloned primarch would be an interesting opportunity to show us some of the traitors as the Emperor had planned them to be,and perhaps a loyalist if they had been exposed to conditions that would tempt them to chaos. The what could have been angle. A fully mature Fulgrim clone in stasis somewhere makes me wonder if that may come to pass some day.

[@wolf2965]

It would be someone with more empathy and noble sprit than Vulkan - though not necessarily one with any more filial affection for Emps than PrimeAngron (possibly considerably less, in fact). Both Fulgrim and Horus clones retained essential memories of their prime selves - so it's a given that the kidnapping at the eve of battle in Nuceria, which doomed the only friends Angron truly had would still be there, and festering.

[@williamamely7038]

The 11th Legion, and their Primarch, had returned to spite the Imperium and the Lords of Terra. They had no intention of staying but left the Lords with a gift, turning 11 Chapters against the Lords, but not against the Emperor. The Legion and their Primarch left intact. Their mission completed, leaving the Segmentum in shambles as pay back for wrongly being exiled by Malcador and Dorn. While the records were expunged, the Lords were left with dread. If the 11th lives, then what of the 2nd.........!

[@TheHobgoblyn]

Would the 11th be the one with the super messed up geneseed whose erasure caused other primarchs to hide the flaws in their own legions? Or would it have been the one that likely went traitor for non-Chaos reasons and fought the Space Wolves?

[@kanalithviper4744]

2nd probably died in the Xenocide

[@KitKatHexe]

I still love the joke theory that Malcador sent Leman to go kill the II Primarch, and Leman then killed the 11th because he couldn't read.

[@darthlazurus4382]

Given the tragic nature of 40k, I'm leaning to your theory of it being the 2nd or 11th Primarch. My guess would be that he wasn't trying to cause a rebellion, but rather he attempted to build a legion in order to help the Imperium. The war could have taken as long as it did due to the High Lords escalating conflict while the Lost Primarch was attempting to stop this war from happening. Then I guess he was either assassinated or imprisoned which allowed the High Lords to assign those Chapters less likely to question them to silence all witnesses. I hope Black Library tells the full story at some point.

[@geoffreysavitz1278]

Same. There are so many loose ends in 40K that Black Library can't just leave hanging in thin air.

[@mercenarygundam1487]

The False Primarch? The guy who decides Taco Friday/Thursday (Can't remember)

[@Abdega]

You know full well it’s Lord Adorable!

[@attila535]

Tuesday is the true path, for funny alliterations are important.

[@user-vd6ec7kx8x]

Loljokes he is a real primarch pretending not to be one. Watch more TTS please.

[@okaminotamashi7411]

Dadornable and his heretical turkey tacos he gave the Man-Emperor on Tuesday is not a false Primarch

[@molliethomas2585]

Having tacos on any day other than Tuesday is HERESY!!!!!!

[@Mister-Chief]

It was alpharious, it's always alpharious Also good luck fighting the loomig darkness that is article 13

[@phreakazoith2237]

it's always Omegon

[@mathewkelly9968]

What the same copyright laws that already exist in the US ? Scary stuff

[@mathewkelly9968]

Edward Armstrong funny last time I checked Australia is 10,000 KMs from Europe ...... You ignorant seppo fuck ...... Lucky for me an Australian tells you what to think

[@DirgeOfCerberus111]

I personally theorized that it was a Alpha Legion plot to masquerade as one of the Lost Primarchs, with a fabricated story of betrayal by the Emperor, or them returning to take command and "save" the Imperium, by virtue of being the Emperor's last remaining son. They misguided several younger Chapters, who perhaps did not know their own Primarch, into falling in line with them. A Alpha Legionary, specifically one of the tall members of the first batch, could have ingested the blood of their primarch, undergone a bunch of surgical enhancements and procedures to become a more physically convincing specimen, and then use hypo-indoctrination or psychic-reprogramming so they would actually believe their new identity while subconsciously carrying out their true objective. Or used they could have use captured pure Primarch DNA stolen from the Raven Guard. Space Marines who had lived during the Great Crusade, namely Dreadnoughts like Bjorn the Fell-Handed, would know this imposter to be a False Primarch, sparking off the war. But that's just my take anyways.

[@nox5555]

Fighting big E wasnt needed in a Imperium without other primarchs and with a zombie emperor

[@themagalanium9491]

Metal Gear Warhammer

[@Koppu1doragon]

"But why was there 20 of them?" Wait does that mean she saw the face of the two missing Primarchs?

[@velphidrow8317]

And that Omegon wasn't on it

[@leatherjacket9]

In a galaxy where the "Warp" exists, there is no telling. The false Primarch could've been anyone or anything. This is just a theory, but He could in fact have been one of the loyalist primarchs returned, but shamed and angered by what he saw of the imperium and his own Gene son's and what they had become. He waged war on what the Emperor would himself call heresy. Although, after defeating the Primarch, I believe the high lords of Terra may have realized that they were wrong and actually killed one of the Emperor's true sons returned. But had to cover it up... Forever. They absolutely could not let it be known that they actually we're responsible for killing one of the Emperor s true sons and loyalist Primarchs due to a misunderstanding and because he was fighting them because they indulged certain heresies that they allowed to persist in the imperium. Because of this, it made the High Lords of Terra more receptive and open to the return of Guilliman, they never wanted to make such a horrible mistake again. I even remember somewhere where Guilliman was urged to not oppose the Ecclesiarchy because it would cause so many problems and a division. The false Primarch probably didn't receive or care about such warnings. This false Primarch could've been the great Khan, Vulkan, Russ, or even Dorn. (Before anyone says that these primarchs would've been immediately recognizable, remember there is no telling what years in the warp could do to someone's visage or how years of the warp might age him or her). Like I said with the Warp anything is possible, its the best plot device in 40k. Also seeing how most of the lost loyalist Primarchs aren't exactly political statesmen like Guilliman, it is very possible that they would see declaring war on the high lords of Terra as the only viable option instead of wisely going along with it and contemplating how to handle it later like Guilliman is probably doing.

[@ZeroNumerous]

The Primach was almost undoubtedly Vulkan. He is the loyalist Primarch that was active the longest, and a known Perpetual. It is entirely likely that Vulkan appeared, claimed he was Vulkan, and the Imperium "knew" that Vulkan died in the War of the Beast. So therefore he was declared False, and "killed" again.

[@seiglegar]

Doubt it was Russ, unless the chapters under his command were successors to the wolves... when he departed he made acknowledgement of the wolfen curse and admitted that it would get him too... any astarties not from the space wolves of successors would see him as a monster and attack on sight.

[@Dennis-vh8tz]

Vulkan probably had a good idea of what the Imperium had become and wouldn've been less surprised and infuriated than the others. He's also one of the less hot headed Primarchs. Russ and Vulkan are also the only Primarchs who couldn't have been the genefathers of the 11 chapters. Of course they'd also be cunning enough to suspect their cause was helpless and spare their own sons and homeworlds from the predictable consequences of defeat. Isn't Corvus Corax also lost somewhere in the Warp?

[@velphidrow8317]

@@Dennis-vh8tz Corax is hunting Lorgar's bitch ass

[@insertedgynamehere]

Then their sons would know about it. Astartes can feel the death of their primarch

[@migukmoonpark4312]

It was Sigmar, before he got bored and said "to hell with it!" and left.

[@Sigmar_Heldenhammer]

*unintelligible mumbling* ThE End TiMeS ArE UpOn uS!!!!

[@KitKatHexe]

I don't care what anyone says I still think sigmar is onof the two lost primarchs. Inconsistencies? simple answer: warp fuckery.

[@Sigmar_Heldenhammer]

Jonathan Cook personally my theory for Sigmar is when the Emperor “Died” a soul shard or what not ended up in the warp, going back in time and ending up in a small human child “Sigmar Heldenhammer” leading him to grow into the massive god-king we all know, later he encountered the second primarch, and killed him. Then when the great crusade found him, he was mistaken for the second and given that primarch’s legion. Once the emperor found out, parts of the legion split off and joined the Ultramarines however a nice chunk went into hiding with Sigmar... Just head canon.

[@matics453]

I think the false primarch was one of the lost primarchs. Due to all information about the conflict being erased from imperial history by the Inquisition. As any information about the lost primarchs would have been kept a secret or erased by the Inquisition as that is how the Emperor wanted it to be

[@phreakazoith2237]

but would that lost primarch be around for such a long time? the others were found within a very short time why would one be lost for way longer?

[@wizard0313]

@@phreakazoith2237 He wouldn't be lost. We don't know what happened to them, so they could have been exiled and one came back, turning the chapters to his cause

[@the_dropbear4392]

We know from the other primarchs in the Horus heresy that both the lost primarchs are dead

[@Crazyd6666]

@@the_dropbear4392 Yeah one died during the Ragnadan campaigns and the other was purged (probably by Leman Russ but that part is only hinted at)because of geneseed mutations.

[@zedken]

quick note in the book "first heretic" Logar is talking to Magnus about not wanting his legion to be another "lost and unable to be spoken of" also when Logars sons go back in time to the creation of the primarchs they openly talk about killing the XI primarch now and saving their father so much grief so the taught that Logar did not know of the death or fate of the "purged and forgotten"

[@OttoTheBlottoDog]

If you want to take a more cynical view - It could also have been the return of one of the missing loyalists, e.g. Khan/ Vulkan/ Corvus/ Russ/ Dorn etc. disagreeing with the way the High Lords run the Imperium and the Emperor's Divinity and in effect starting a new civil war. Considering the High Lords won, ofc they declared him a 'False' Primarch and erased all knowledge of his loyalists after the fact.

[@velphidrow8317]

I feel like they would have gone right back to their kids tho

[@averageeughenjoyer6429]

Legions feel the deaths of their Primarchs, that’s how black rage became a thing, it would be catastrophic

[@alanmerino9440]

The false primarch can be a shape shifting daemon or a C'tan. Probably the former since you know chaos doing bad things with people's minds, and the need for so much secrecy afterwards. But then again the grey knights should've been dispatched to deal with that, so who really knows?

[@matthewbennett1972]

Alan Merino I like the C’tan theory. Fits the deceivers MO

[@Dennis-vh8tz]

If the grey knights were dispatched, who would know? Their support would be one explanation for 5 chapters beating 11.

[@onairwithjarvis]

Article 13 passed... but it's great to get a new video. Good luck, dude

[@phoroz1905]

The Warhammer Podcast granted I’m pretty sure he lives in the UK so he might be off the hook soon

[@lancer737]

@@phoroz1905 The person running KZbin said "it would just be easier to have all the users follow EUs article 11 and 13, instead of cutting EU out of its service." So we actually are all fucked.

[@tylerdunn9683]

@@lancer737 fuck the EU

[@godemperorofmankind7255]

@@lancer737 Good thing I'm in Murica! All I can say is do that murica way. "REVOLUTION! REVOLUTION! REVOLUTION! REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION! R! E! V! O! L! U! T! I! O! N! For fweedom."

[@standardmemechannelanimefa8865]

11th lives

[@ZKtheMAN]

Adeptus Notifcatus, *_REPRESENT._* the false primarch was article 13 lmao

[@ianlewis523]

Primarch II : Marines, I have returned from my mission to hunt down the Fallen Primarch of the XI Legion. We must sent word to my Father, so we can repair the damages to my Legion and receive new orders. Random Marine: (Explains recent Imperial history, the Heresy, and stuff. Primarch II: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

[@geta6863]

lol

[@TheHobgoblyn]

It is unlikely that either of them fell to Chaos as none of the others knew about or were prepared to guard themselves against Chaos. And why would someone given a mission to go hunt down another also be erased from records? Better indication is that one of them has some flaw with their geneseed that was even more obvious and upsetting than the other Primarch's flaws and so they were destroyed and caused all the others to go and hide any such flaws in their legions. They would be erased because the Emperor couldn't admit any sort of imperfection in his greatest work. The other probably sided with some other human civilization or maybe even a xenos race they were sent to destroy. And then at least the Space Wolves were sent to fight them until their Primarch was defeated. And so they would have been erased to hide the fact that they could turn on the Emperor. In both cases though, it seems like no one knew that Primarchs could be killed by the time the Horus Heresy happened, so either or both could be out there somewhere. And it seems the decision to erase records of them were made at the same time even though the events and reasons were totally unrelated. Any remaining members of their legions might have been absorbed into the UltraMarines.

[@MrWildcat28]

I’m very glad I’m subscribed to you. You and your discord has helped me so much in my 40k story about one of the lost Primarchs

[@TheCaptainjuicy]

Pluto, Same, a friend and I are writing our own take on the lost primarchs and 40k theories has aided so much in the creation of our writing

[@empireempire3545]

There is 40k theories discord?! WHERE?!?!

[@adamcarlton8282]

Where can I read your stories ?

[@chrisbennett6236]

I like that the lore written over the last 5-10 years has been written from the point of view of a more average citizen/agent of the Imperium. Due to this when new lore of the Great Crusade mentions an unknown legion/primarch it references 11 not just 2. This makes it harder to figure out if they are actually writing about the 2nd and 11th. Intrigue makes for better lore.

[@SamGarcia]

9:19 "while admitted an unlikely possibility, it wouldn't necessarily be outside the realm of possibility" awkward sentence construction

[@hectorandem2944]

The Department of Redundancy Department.

[@bryansmith7360]

@@hectorandem2944 Ordo Redundans

[@satarsis]

sensei are the actual children of the emperor, Primarchs are the genetic children of the emperor. a sensei who became a space marine could literally be a new primarch

[@velphidrow8317]

No they couldn't. We don't know what went into primarchs, but they're basiclly 2nd only to Big E, Malcador, and Valdor. Aka 3 people with so much plot armor they had to die before the story started

[@adamorick2872]

Seems the high Lord's of Terra where the starters of the war. They murdered a primarch

[@JPLOWMAN2]

There was a fourth option you didn’t mention - what if it was a Primarch, but one of the ones who had fallen to Chaos? That’d explain why the Imperium would want it covered up.

[@WelfareChrist]

Just found ur channel and I’m loving it!! Great stuff!

[@AdarBlu]

Could gave been a surviving thunder warrior?

[@TenPtJackalope]

That's ...... not half bad actually.

[@YahYakBandan]

Aren't thunder warriors cancer-ridden half dead thugs that don't live long, though?

[@alganhar1]

@@YahYakBandan Normally, yes, but a few did survive the cull, and a couple of those were known to still be around during the Horus Heresy, Arik Taranis (one of the most famous of the Thunder Warriors) and Ghota being the most prominant. *If* a Thunder Warrior was somehow able to halt the deterioration, then it could be a possibility. My biggest issue with the False Primarch being an actual Primarch is that 11 Chapters led by the False Primarch were defeated by 5 Chapters.... If the False Primarch was a real Primarch that would NOT have happened! If he was a Thunder Warrior now.... that is a different story.

[@GeekyGrant]

I love how Leman just assumed Primarchs lived forever and could never get hurt or killed X-D

[@velphidrow8317]

Tbf he had no reason to assume otherwise. Valdor, Dad and uncle Malcador where the only besides the 21 who could ever touch them

[@nafsiammara]

Wait what, M33? So within a few thousand years they had mass defections of Astartes?

[@GreatChickenGod]

from what I remember, only one of the two forgotten primarchs were killed by russ. the other was erased before the great crusade ended and the horus heresy began

[@Dingus_Khaan]

I've entertained the idea that the "erased" primarch was purged from all records to have him act as the leader of the Emperor's own personal legion of the Men in Black/SCP Foundation. Dealing in matters so secret, all records of him were erased and his death faked to protect the Imperium from the shadows.

[@psychedashell]

GreatChickenGod Alluded to but never confirmed. The statement is that the Space Wolves have had violent actions against other legions and will do it again but the statement was made after the Night of the Wolf when the Space Wolves attacked the World Eaters and held Angron at gunpoint, supposedly in a censureship action over the Butcher's Nails. So there are two possibilities for the reference. 1. Russ and the Wolves possibly did purge a legion. 2. The Night of the Wolf.

[@bladewalker366]

GreatChickenGod - funny you say that when the word bearers had to ben the keen to guillinman says somthing him taking out one of the missing prima

[@TheHobgoblyn]

Russ may have killed other high ranking members of those legions, but likely not the Primarchs. He himself didn't think it was possible for a Primarch to die until his managed to kill one of the Chaos ones.

[@insertedgynamehere]

@@TheHobgoblyn but he might have been mindwiped.

[@-Big_Big]

it was a clerical error - both sides fought against their foes thinking one side had a fake primarch. once victory was declared and the victor declared it to the empire no one noticed that both sides were in fact loyal.

[@aaronslater470]

My theory: a renegade thunder warrior who wanted payback. He would be stronger than a legionnarie but less a primarch or custodies

[@angelusumbra5741]

Whoa... I knew Russ badly hurt Magnus... But I never knew that his body was literally torn apart after Russ gave him the Bane Back Breaker.

[@chaptermastermoloc4171]

Russ broke magnus out of existence

[@wasteoftime5848]

Is it really impossible that someone, somewhere, somehow, could attempt to create a new primarch and not just clone an old one? The most interesting thing about this story is the cover up. The empire not wanting anyone to know anything about the situation makes me think the events leading up to the conflict and the reasons for those events is the biggest secret. This faction could have championed something along the lines of the emperor's true vision, not the regressive, dogmatic bureaucracy the empire became.

[@Thrusher]

I've been reading the first heretic lately and according to Argel Tal when he was saw the emperor's gene lab on terra, he stood over the 11th capsule and stated that if he were to smash it right there he would save lorgar a lot of grief for his lost brother and for the 17th a lot of trouble. Therefore, it seems wrong to assume that the primarchs of the 2nd and the 11th were not destroyed. I guess this could be blamed on contradicting lore writing since no author could be aware of every piece single of lore there is.

[@deadskrillaskrit2078]

Can't get enough of Warhammer 40k lore, thanks!

[@epiczombiedoctor5961]

If Fabius bile got the emperors DNA and managed to make a full grown clone of him that developed its enhanced psyker ability and somehow managed to convert it to chaos. How screwed would humanity be

[@insertedgynamehere]

Not very. You need the soul to pull most of the stuff the emperor does

[@TheGeraltofrivia]

i really like your vids, always gives me content for my fan fic

[@hughgedney3393]

Great video as always 40k Theories.

[@SuperNoah9999]

Video idea: can the dark eldar free themselves from being drained by slannesh?

[@patrickswayze3086]

This is easily my favourite video on this channel

[@pbr-streetgang]

Thanks for the vid sir.

[@Czer141]

Awesome as always man

[@iamalpharius9483]

It was the 3rd of the Alpha Legion brothers. They were triplets. 3 heads. 3 faces. 3 brothers. I have always felt that there were 3.

[@BanditUshanka]

What about the two forgotten primarchs? There's the forgotten primarch and the lost primarch and we have no idea what actually happened to them. Edit: aaaand just reached that part of the video lol

[@hunterwirkus4262]

So if the inquistor saw twenty primarchs in the picture. Does that mean the face of the missing two is know???

[@TheHobgoblyn]

Possibly... But such a thing also contradicts the reports that both of them were persona non-grata by the time the Emperor came across Corax much less Alphius and Omegon.

[@morgancampbell3505]

@@TheHobgoblyn it's unlikely that it was based on an actual event, I don't think all 20 primarchs were ever active in the imperium at the same time, that's pretty much fact, it was likely a artistic interpretation showing the emperor with his 20 sons, an explanation for faced primarchs could suggest that was done part way through the crusade when once down of the primarchs were found so some of the primarchs in the art where identifiable

[@velphidrow8317]

Isn't Horus known because of the Humbug? Also Lorgan is a seen as a loyalist to many due to pening the works on the emperor's divinity. I remember seeing this and I'm pretty sure you've even mentioned this. I'd guess primarchs like Alpharius, the missing 2 are just completely unknown outside the need to know

[@michaelgrey1351]

"He's succumbed to 'the Darkness'." "What does that mean?" "It means he believes in a thing called love."

[@BleachFan2007]

everyone thought it was a false primarch, but in fact it was Dio!

[@TheArmchairPatriot]

My personal fan theory is that the False Primarch is really Perturabo, except he was not a Daemon Primarch like the Imperium thought he is, leading the Imperium to believe him "False". And somewhere out there in fringe space, a traitorous-not-daemon Primarch, Perturabo, is waiting to carve out a new empire for himself :P

[@levrapport2033]

A few others have also said it, but also possibly one of the other "missing" primarchs like Vulkan, Khan, Corax etc.

[@ericlobes]

If I could add to the video, which was great, maybe the high lords felt threaten by a legit primarch . Remember in the emperors legion, the high lords started conspiring to oust gulliman while he was communicating with his father on the gold throne. Remember that they were bring in forces to defend themselves. It could be that the primarch was legit and the high lords of terra didn’t want him breaking or taking their power and made a prestige strike.

[@sardauk3038]

Well I hope we'll have at some point some books about it (like the war of the beast series)

[@chiefsurgeon533]

If the Flayer virus can be transmitted to Necron automata EX a Necron spyder.. could it corrupt a machine spirit or drive someone insane?

[@journeyinto40k62]

Great video like always mate. Question for thought what do you think happened to the clone that was given to the Necrons?

[@PatoMaloKing]

The false Primak was Gorko or Morko, and obiously it must be erased from the records.

[@lancefelker986]

I've heard, though I can't think of the source, that one of the missing brothers was guillimans closest brother and most like him. So I like the idea of one being sent out beyond known space to function independently beyond the borders of the imperium.

[@ThatGamingAsshole]

Maybe it's just me but I always assumed it was one of the "lost" Primarchs, which would also handily explain why they erased the records since, for some unknown reason, the "lost" Primarchs and their Legions were both expunged form the records too. If one or both survived somehow, or their descendants survived, and returned as this False Primarch then the High Lords of Terra, ever competent and self-assured as usual, would be for lack of a better term shitting their pants trying to cover up his reemergence.

[@hockeymasktime6748]

Surviving thunder warrior that was the primarch of his former thunder regiment before the emperor betrayed them.

[@MishraArtificer]

At 14:20: A Bolter...revolver? What?

[@brothersgt.grauwolff6716]

Probably some kind of Lostech something that couldn't be replicated by the Mechanicus idk

[@nicolastousignant9160]

The image is of a non canon character of the lightning bearers second legion. Specifically of Sentinel Athwares who is indeed meant to have an archeotech pistol. The creator has a whole thread on bolter and chainsword forums detailing its history and modeling of his army. It is an awsome read an deserves to be canon. Sadly, the creator seems to have moved on to other projects

[@absalomdraconis]

I don't think that's a bolter at all. If I wanted it in an army I'd fluff it as a plasma pistol or culverin or something.

[@Spekd]

Thoughtfully bought together sir - GG!

[@Spekd]

@Leo Nidas 😂😂 predictive text... joys

[@MrPooleish]

Konrad Curze, reincarnated through the use of the spirit stone in the Corona Nox.

[@Multiparadox]

As I thought so, I thought there are some missing connections with the other rim colonies which were more technologically advance and had the record erased as an act of betrayal yet loyal at the same time, then the other primarch must have been killed or executed for his monstrous appearance that should explain the extreme hatred of the marine toward deformities. well... Anyone?

[@Multiparadox]

This beg a question a bit but is it possible the lost 2nd primarch managed to survive but considered to be lost due to him being exiled and the most archive containing advanced technology was mostly related to him thus were missing or deleted from the imperial record possible related of it is based from the lost dark age technology. While on the other hand the 11th primarch I'm guessing to be the monstrously deformed primarch... Ah, I guess that possibly the whereabout the primaries marine gene stock large stature came from I'm guessing it from the 11th primarch its an open discussion so reply back if u want to.

[@abstractmedia8949]

Great video, where’s the picture of the charnel guard at 1:40 from? I’ve not seen that one before!

[@jacked4121]

I accidentally quit out of KZbin watching another one of your videos re open KZbin to this. I watch this then go back to other

[@phreakazoith2237]

maybe some primarch escaped from Trayzyn's collectibles?

[@shdwfx40001]

Seems highly unlik-*Necrontyr-muffled screams.*

[@rafaelcarrera9436]

This video is a little advanced for me still learning the lore. I am still trying to understand: 1) if the emperor knew Omegon existed, and 2) if the chapter master of the space sharks is one of the lost primarchs who got stripped of his title or depowered somehow and this is just his penance crusade.

[@40KTheories]

1) Yes 2) No

[@jewittm]

My favorite alerts!

[@gwyndolin1536]

I like the "The Lost Primarch" theory.

[@derpanzermacher9094]

There is another possibility. The Alpha Legion could have either sent an agent disguised as Alpharius himself (something they were known to do) or even disguised as another Primarch. Alpharius himself was sometimes described as being very similar to Horus although of a slightly smaller stature so that could be an option, not to mention that individual legionnaires would undergo such things as facial reconstruction and other body modifications to look like their Primarch, so it might not be impossible to alter a legionnaire's body to look like say Dorn or Guilliman (compared to say Sanguinius who had defining features like his wings) The Alpha Legion were always known for convoluted plans and tactical brilliance, and also for undertaking missions that would last much longer than necessary in order to ensure complete destruction of the enemy. Agents would also undergo mental reprogramming to readjust to a loyalist chapter, being triggered by certain events or keywords to avoid detection until they were in position. This would explain why noone suspected anything until the False Primarch declared secession. As for their goals for such a mission: the destruction of 11 loyalist chapters, tying up 5 other chapters for 80years, and acquisition of resources for the Legion.

[@davidthomas2870]

I wonder if the false primarch was a sort of prototype by fabius bile? Perhaps a clone or even a hybridized clone of multiple primarchs. And if anything like that is the case, that raises the disturbing possibility of there being more of them who as of yet lay in wait, or may have even taken the field upon some battlefield we haven't heard from somewhere in the galaxy, due to lost information due to lack of focus on imperium nihilis, the fog of war, or because they've left not a single survivor to tell the tale not to unlike the first contact between the imperium and the tyrannids.

[@Le-cp9tr]

My conspiracy is that the 11th primarch is the one in the one from the war of the false primarch and his 11 legions were Malice worshippers including the recently turned Sons of Malice. (This was entirely based off how the 11th Primarch has 11 legions and Malice’s holy number is 11. Derp)

[@sergiosukamto415]

but what if the 11th primarch were Malal?

[@the_dropbear4392]

Were are you getting 11 being malices holy number from

[@Le-cp9tr]

The_Drop Bear it was established with the Sons of Malice that 11 was his holy number. It’s on all three of the major wikis (1d4chan, 40k wiki, and Lexicon) and appears with reference to the eleven year rites of the Sons of Malice and various smaller nods

[@Silver_Paladin]

I think the problem with the primarch clones is their lack of primarch souls, they're basically just big beefy space marines without the soul that makes them a true shard of the Emperor

[@conan2096]

its pretty amazing just how many books they could make out of all these forgotten events, but they refuse

[@christopher5723]

Once again better potential lore from 40k Theories than what games workshop is putting out.

[@siberyuswithengard7364]

The false primarch? IT WAS ME! DIO!

[@jamesbrockhouse8710]

Wouldn't surprise me if it was a Ferrus Manus clone, with the 11 chapters being Iron Hands Clans or successors. Since they're still pretty convinced their primarch lives.

[@clone10123]

Love that ferrus just wouldnt fall "fucking keep cloning me fucker, im loyal to the core"

[@bf6081]

Ha ha, we all know that the two lost ones were there to let you make your own story up for your own chapters and to ruin it would ruin the game is why those files are classified, Sir.

[@keeptheflapshut8594]

You know. If a clone of a lost Primarch is roaming then R.D. is still swinging with one arm somewhere, which means Lionel J. knows of some super secret stuff that would be more buttery than an egg roll. Which means Roboute Gulliman is gonna run into Russ or Corvax eventually. Cause this gonna get ridiculous the more and more these videos keep me thinking about it. . . Great video though man. 👍

[@russellg5022]

Lorgar was aware of the fate of the Lost and the Damned, in The First Heretic he discusses their fate with Magnus.

[@alexanderphillips1904]

I like to think either the second or eleventh primarch wasn't executed, but merely banished or sent on some sort of quest by the Emperor that required their purging from the records and the minds of their siblings. Then one day they opened up a Warp newspaper focussed on the Heresy and just rushed home in shock to see what had happened to the Emperor- but since they were wiped from the records everyone thought they were fakes and killed them after a long war.

[@JohnTandy74]

Cool vid cheers

[@joshbull623]

At this point, the imperium is so far gone that if the Emperor came back, him and his custodes would be purged for heresy.

[@VegarotFusion]

5:11 Wonderfully Brutal picture.

[@emersonsullivan9768]

I think more lore could be teased out for this theory. The 13 Legion was the largest and most intact following the conclusion of the Horus Heresy. Lorgar suspected that the increase of legionnaires in the 13th Legion came from one of the two missing legions. Okay so fast forward to the aftermath of the heresy and Guilliman declares the Codex Astartes and the second founding occurs. With whole chapters are formed from the 13th legion, who had the highest numbers of personnel following the heresy, many of the chapters could have descended from the influx of legionnaires from the missing legions. Fast forwarding to the War of the False Primarch and the implication, in the video, is that one of the missing primarchs returned. Hence those 11 space marine chapters recognized their primarch and rallied to him. Or..... those 11 chapters began to unravel their past and worship the missing primarch from their collective memories. There could even possibly veterans from the pre-heresy and the scattering whose memories were returning despite mindwiping. Dreadnoughts especially fall into this category. Advancing this theory these 11 chapters endanger the peace of mind of the greater imperium with their claim of primarch and the High Lords of Terra delcare their primarch "false" and send in the heavy guns to root out the "heresy". The only chapter of the 11 to survive.... Blood Ravens!!!!

[@Jesus-mn9dn]

Would be an epic book series

[@Shawass]

nice one :)

[@phreakazoith2237]

twenty primarchs? citizen you may want to sit down and have a cup of caffein, your local inquision is on it's way to discuss some loyality issues...

[@larkin3607]

Wait at 10:45. You said a depiction me rials with the image of the 20 primarch. So also the 2 and 11. So there still is a record of how the looked like.

[@Del_S]

The False Primarch was Vince McMahon, as part of a feud with Lord Commander Stonekald Stevaustin of the Rattlesnakes Chapter, that escalated quickly and really got out of hand fast.