TASCAM MODEL 12 RECORDING: Headphones Using the Sub Output | 424recording.com

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Tascam Model 12 Recording with headphones is something that confused me when I first started using the Model 12. In this video, I talk about the best solution for Tascam Model 12 Recording with headphones (using the sub output) and similar headphone issues I've had when working with the Tascam 424.
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[@nowavecharles]

Great video Mike. Hope your recording and testing out your ideas on this cool little machine. Keep up the creativity dude!

[@424Recording]

Thanks, Henry. I need to do more recording with it. I'm hoping to get my Fall Song Challenge track ready to roll on here, or maybe the 424! You, too!

[@TheWileyFosters]

Another great video! I really love these!

[@424Recording]

I'm glad you like them, William! More to come for sure 🤓

[@peterkiefel4324]

timely posting Mike! i got my TASCAM model 12 last week and was puzzling over headphone monitoring... now i know what to do thanks! Otherwise I am very happy with the model 12 - it is the Portastudio of the 21st century!!

[@424Recording]

Yeah, this seems to be the common thread among a lot of Model 12 users: how do you work the headphones? I'm glad this video helps. Yeah, re: 21st century Portastudio!

[@kkirwan2]

These videos are really helpful 🙏🏻

[@424Recording]

I'm glad to hear, Kevin. Thanks for watching!

[@darkforestzero]

I have been using this method: 1. connect headphones to headphone jack. 2. make sure the volume is turned up on corresponding headphone knob and button beneath it is set to Main 3. if you ONLY want headphones (no monitors) turn off or set volume to zero on the monitors themselves (not mixer). this is annoying, but it's the least convoluted solution

[@CesarRamos-qp1hv]

hello, a question: I think your video is the answer to my doubts. Do you think it is possible to use the model 12 together with the behringer preamp to mix with a pair of vinyl turntables? since I am worried about the cue. Thank you

[@BluesBrethrenofPolishPeoplesR]

Thank you very much for new ideas in this tutorial. Cheers!

[@424Recording]

Cheers, gtelefon. I've been enjoying your "my way" series btw. Cheers!

[@BluesBrethrenofPolishPeoplesR]

@@424Recording thank you very much, I am very glad you enjoyed them. You are very much the reason and inspiration that opened my eyes into doing it, and learning by that, and really enjoying it. Plz share on.

[@424Recording]

Wow, that's awesome! I'll definitely let people know if any questions come up! Cheers. I'm glad to have helped inspire them!

[@ezrakh]

Setting up my IEM to the sub out with a headphone amp and I find this video which is great. However I noticed a volume discrepancy particularly with channels that are centered (vocals click and backing tracks. Is there a fix for this? I have a Model 16. Also going to check my cable

[@Sams911]

why don't you use the two Balanced outputs into a headphone amp instead? assuming the headphone amp has balanced input? such as a Rupert Neve?

[@abasicillness]

Have you tried using the sub out from Model 12 to the input on your SAMPLER? I would like some way to sample straight from the mixer to the sampler. ANY Thoughts?

[@willsmayojr]

I’m trying out this set up but for some reason the mix coming out of the headphone amp is much muddier compared to when I am plugged into the headphone Jack on the model 12. Am I missing something? Thanks for the videos by the way!

[@CMedia87]

you can check page 55 to change the functionality of the solo button. Although still not intuitive, the solo button can act as a true solo. the default is pre fader, in order to hear a mix before it hits the mains (pan, eq, comp etc) check the updated manual. I also assume that you must have the latest firmware.

[@424Recording]

I'll have to look more into it. Thanks for the tips and thanks for watching!

[@Meaningalex]

How did you connect your monitors? I Just connected my just as I did my other mixers but nothing is something out the speakers even tho I see there signal in logic

[@424Recording]

Hi AJ, I just have the monitors hooked up to the main outs with XLRs. Do you have the switches for each channel pressed in for "Main"?

[@axume100]

Hello how are you doing I just buy tascam model 12 ,the problem is that I’m always record it using irig2 with this one I can’t make it works if you know can you please help me out where I can coneted or make it work.

[@pjsnijdersmusic]

Thanks for explaining this, great solution. One question though, when I'm in daw control surface mode and I use the sub out for my headphones, and I mute the main fader, how does this react with the daw, is my main output going silent in the daw as well?.

[@424Recording]

I'm not sure. I actually haven't used the Model 12 with the DAW yet. I would think that it would. At least in Logic Pro, I think you can mute the master fader... I hope it helps. Thanks for watching!

[@spinningloft]

Thanks Mike. New to the Model 12, same issue, no sound in the headphones. Will route through the sub outs as suggested. Your video on the solo bus, where can I find it?

[@424Recording]

Hi Paula. I haven't had a chance to make a dedicated video about it but in this video about hooking up monitors, I talk more about using the solo bus. There should be time stamps for the part of the video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z4u7aXmearZ6q68 Thanks for watching! Glad the vids have been helpful!

[@MSNGR415]

I have the exact same setup on my model 12, same headphone amp and everything, know I don’t know if I was dreaming but I swore I was mixing in stereo on my cans through the model 12 for months as of last week I can’t seem to hear anything but a mono signal in my cans from the sun output and have been losing my mind trying to fix it.

[@goldensalmon3122]

Love this idea!

[@424Recording]

Thanks, GS! It's definitely a great way to go, especially if you'll be recording a podcast or something with a few guests (hoping to do this some day) or obviously, tracking with a band

[@goldensalmon3122]

@@424Recording you should get that band Paytron Saint on mate. They're good

[@424Recording]

Oh, heck yeah. Joel and his bros ftw

[@carlopisciotta4333]

Does this sub button work while the channel are set to “pc” mode?

[@craighughes-shug6694]

Does the sub cary over your internal effects , on my 24 the control room and headphone outs give me the hole signal flow but the subs just pre fade i think, so I wouldn’t be abele to mix, could be another way the model 12 is alot different to the 24

[@424Recording]

Yeah, it does. On the FX area of the 12 there's a switch to send the signal to sub

[@alvisreidmusic]

The latest update allows for separate main and headphones control!

[@jeffmac5556]

Thanks for the video. I have an issue where I have my mic plugged in and my levels are good but there’s no sound at all from the headphones ? Am I missing something?

[@424Recording]

There's some vids out there on how to use the onboard headphone outs but I think this is the way to go

[@D84D]

When I listen to any internet input on my model 12, it's in mono. If I switch my headphone jack to the realtek phone jack it's in stereo.

[@guillaumealtamira7115]

hi!! cool vid! did you put together two mics?

[@424Recording]

Haha every video is better with a guil cameo! Yeah, I'm using the other mic as a weight. It's like a counter balance for that boom arm. The Beta isn't heavy enough to make the arm work properly so I rubber banded the 57 to the bottom. Probably not the best solution but it works haha

[@guillaumealtamira7115]

@@424Recording oh i see! well, seems to be appropriate😉 i thought it was to get a better sound or something..

[@philz7227]

Thanks for the demo. They should have left more room on the deck of the Model 12 for post it notes, taped labels and instructions for using it effectively. Tascam's directions assume a larger knowledge base than I have. For some odd reason, when using the solo bus, the Aux 1 knobs can be used to set headphone levels of each track, sometimes. It's more confusing than it has to be with not much info on the PLF/ALF buttons. I'd get it working for playback, hit the wrong button and lose the sound. The Model 12 is more live mixer than recording mixer. Too many bus switches, too many routing choices, a confusing array of on/off switches scattered around, a block diagram that is made as small as possible. It tries to be all things for all occasions and makes it confusing to sort out how its supposed to work if you don't have a live mixing background. My learning curve includes determining which functions I will never use and turning them off or out.

[@RecordingStudio9]

Model 12 being digital, and looking at the signal flow diagram, it shouldn't be that hard to add (program) a new option to have the headphone Amp pre/post Main Fader and this will solve all the problem. Having 2 headphones and not being able to use them, is a short sight by Tascam, especially when they are aiming this model for 'Home Studio' setup. Having said that, most live mixers would work this way so the live mixing engineer can solo PFL/AFL of each channel without interrupting the main outputs. But not in a multitrack recording and mixing environment. Hope they'll have an update to solve this issue. Thanks for the video.

[@424Recording]

100%. It's cool that it is setup for a live setting but for home recording, it is confusing, especially coming from the 424 or a DP. This seems to be the biggest point of confusion for a lot of people. It would be cool if an update could help solve the issue! Cheers!

[@epiphonium]

I use the SUB outputs to a Antique Sound lab tube headphone amp. I felt the 12 headphone output was kinda weak. IMHO

[@epiphonium]

HaHa I said that just before I got to 2:00 in the video ! LOL

[@Massproduce201]

Hey why not just connect the monitor speakers to a separate channel strip and just switch on/off? No need for headphone amp saves space and outlet?

[@424Recording]

Yeah, that could work. I guess I didn't like the idea of constantly powering the monitors on and off; I'm also used to being in a mixing environment where they can be muted. Depending on mix session and what's going on, the monitors would need to be turned on and off dozens of times. But that's another workaround for sure! Thanks for watching

[@schizoinstereo]

3rd option: Get a Mackie Big Knob and turn knob down when you only want to hear audio from headphones. It works great for me. Plus, the Big Knob is completely passive (non-powered) and has 2 sets of switchable inputs and outputs. Best $50 I ever spent! 😎

[@424Recording]

Hey, Matt! I've been thinking about you, man. I hope you're doing well! I take it the Big Knob has a separate headphone level knob, and you're running the monitors thru the Big Knob? That sounds like I really good way to do it!

[@schizoinstereo]

@@424Recording I'm doing good man. I hope you are too! The Big Knob has 2 pair of 1/4 inch inputs and 2 pair of 1/4 inch outputs. (oh and a 3.5mm audio input) It has selectable buttons to pass signal from/to whichever source you want. Like INPUT A or B to OUTPUT A or B (in any combination) It also has a very useful MONO button to check if your mix sounds right in mono, a mute button and a DIM button to lower volume quickly. I run 2 recording units into it and just use the headphone out on whichever recorder I'm using at the time. I will eventually connect my other pair of reference monitors so I can switch back and forth between them to see how my mixes translate. I know that was alot haha but it's super simple but makes my setup easier with everything hooked up at once.

[@goldensalmon3122]

Hey schizo, we all know you've got a big knob mate stop showing off!

[@schizoinstereo]

@@goldensalmon3122 "Maybe he's born with it. Maybe it's Mackie." The good news is that anyone can get a Big Knob now without pills! hahaha!!

[@424Recording]

😂😂😂

[@DesmondNoel]

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[@alexandrosroussos]

Thanks for the video, I also struggled with that. I somehow found how to route it but I wouldn’t even be able to explain how (probably the solo bus method), I just figured it out at some point and I thought « man why is it so complicated just to route my setup to headphones while not playing on the monitors ? ».

[@424Recording]

Yessss, I ran into the exact same issue. Thought I could brute force my way through without using the manual. I think I am starting to understand it now. Actually, using the sub output really shored up my understanding. I guess I am also spoiled coming from digital interfaces, where the headphones have their own set of knobs and you plug in and go. I'm going to do a full run down of the solo bus in my next Model 12 video. I was going to include the info in this video but there was a lot to cover. I'm also still not sure I understand it 100%. Thanks for watching, Alexandros!

[@alexandrosroussos]

@@424Recording will be checking your next one for sure :)

[@424Recording]

Awesome 🙌

[@pjsnijdersmusic]

Because the headphone outputs are internally wired to the main output fader as well... very annoying and a major flaw. But it's not complicated though, to have more flexibility, headphone outputs and volume, you could use headphone distributor. Or use the sub out for your speakers, if you would like to use the device's headphone output.

[@alexandrosroussos]

@@pjsnijdersmusic I kind of managed to have headphone/master separate volume with some routing, but to be honest, I don't even remember how I accomplished that. Most monitors don't have their own volume adjustment and it's not very practical to have another piece of equipment in the middle just for that. They should really make a tutorial specifically about that use case which is quite common on a home studio.

[@dasein3317]

I have problems setting upp my tascam as an interface, it sounds like its all mono, and just now when i listened to spotify everything played half the speed

[@424Recording]

I haven't tried setting it up as an interface yet. I know there is some drivers that need to be installed and launched when connecting to the computer

[@lumberpilot]

I'm trying to interface to Mixcraft. I don't know what DAW to to select that is in the Tascam menu. So far I got a signal from the right side only. I have no idea what is going on.

[@lumberpilot]

@@424Recording I've been trying for two days to use the mixer as a DAW controller (Mixcraft) to no avail.

[@riskromer9773]

Dude, I can't even make the MAIN go to my headphones. Do you have a tutorial for that?

[@424Recording]

There's a tut on the Tascam USA channel. But yeah, that's why I've been doing it like this haha

[@riskromer9773]

@@424Recording finally I figured it out. Main will go through the headphones only if you do not have activated pfl/afl. go figure!

[@503Anthony]

Another solution is Turning your monitors all the way down I have the same ones and there’s a “gain/volume” knob on the back which lets me mute them and use headphones on the main bus with no problems

[@tom22333]

Is your solo video out yet?

[@424Recording]

I haven't but thanks for reminding me. Part of the reason is, Tascam has a video on it. Check it out if you need more info on Solo: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKO9pHWjfZp8nc0

[@tom22333]

@@424Recording amazing.. thanks for the great info and sending me the vid!!

[@lonroberry]

They've fixed this issue with a Firmware update btw

[@volitic]

Why would i never get any sound out of the headphone output period.

[@424Recording]

Make sure the solo switch is in for the channel/track you want to hear, PFL/AFL master knob up, headphone knob up

[@volitic]

Thanks for your help it worked out great.

[@danitempest]

Hi Mike, you seem to know your shit. Here's a doozy for ya, something that in my opinion should be a no brainer and every mixer capable of doing, but noooo not on this darn thing. I want to master my compositions from Ableton live to my Akai GX-4000D tape deck in DAW mode. But no matter what routing or configuration I attempt, NO SIGNAL comes out of the sub outs. None, zero, ziltch. What the heck is the sub out even for if I can't get a signal out of it? What am I doing wrong? This should be a very simple thing on a mixing board. There should be a sub output engage button that sends sub out signals to whatever we have it plugged into, or is this just too much to ask? lol Thanks in advance for your help!

[@goldensalmon3122]

I send the aux signal through the headphones but it doesn't sound the same

[@424Recording]

Yeah. That's another reason I started doing it like this, too

[@anaislynn]

In what ways does sending the mic signal through Aux degrade the sound? The manual provided by Tascam was really lacking any signal flow advice.

[@mentalduplex6033]

fucking first

[@epiphonium]

who fuckin cares ?

[@mentalduplex6033]

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