($429) We busted Patagonia’s "Work Boot" - Patagonia Wild Idea

[@RoseAnvil]

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[@danieldronzek8616]

Hello Weston.

[@tyreecollington2745]

you should review diemme boots the ones for hiking they’re italian made and are roughly $400

[@aagreenidge]

Eco Friendly is another Virtue Signalling from a company trying to sell an overpriced item.

[@tclark8205]

I just got my son a Micro-Adjust Belt and it is great! The look, the feel, the smell!!! He was very delighted to receive it as a gift!! Thanks!!

[@tengu190]

Scarpa makes better outdoor boots.

[@newenglandman2413]

The first red flag is the company's suggestion that the bison skins were going to waste just because Patagonia wasn't using them. That seems very very unlikely.

[@kevkurtz06]

This. They were definitely using that bison leather. Or at least someone was. Highly doubtful that it was just being thrown away.

[@raiden000]

And not very eco friendly right? Even if its true what else are they throwing away that they haven't found a use for yet?

[@dirkdejong8421]

I agree, that was the 1st red flag. That Bison leather absolutely was being put to use elsewhere before Pategonia stepped in to save the world. Just another example of virtue signaling to sell to the other virtue signalers.

[@jimmahoney5876]

The higher quality leather is being sold to make even more expensive boots. Low quality leather is shipped off shore(cheap labor) and made into "eco-friendly " expensive boots.

[@gorkyd7912]

First red flag, it's from Patagonia. Looking forward to picking these up for $8 at the thrift store in a couple years though.

[@GrahamGibby]

Having worked in outdoor specialty retail since the 90s, I advise everyone to observe the Core Competency rule: brands are good at one or two categories, so stick with those. Examples: Carhartt is great at trousers, La Sportiva started making climbing shoes, Osprey knows packs, Grundens rainwear is legendary. When those brands sell other things (footwear, packs, luggage, hoodies), it will rarely perform like their main product lines. This also applies within main categories, like how Danner is great at work & tactical, but their sneakers are meh. Patagonia has never been really successful in footwear, for a reason.

[@peterdurovic1479]

Always believed this but didn’t know of the term, thanks!

[@Shadow_banned_again]

BAM! And a huge boulder of truth drops…

[@scrumpoxjnr]

Yep. Patagonia is great at clothing, particularly fleece and puffer jackets. Wouldn't go to them for too much else.

[@sercastamere9853]

Arborwear is great at top and bottomwear. Better than Carhartt I'd say.

[@JeepCherokeeful]

And don’t put activism over product!

[@nonyadamnbusiness9887]

I can say with 100% certainty that those buffalo hides were never "going to waste". All hides from slaughterhouses go to make leather, rawhide or collagen. Edit Retail cowhide $50-$200 Retail bison hide $1,200. I seriously doubt and bison hide gets thrown away.

[@MrCjsmash]

Right? Beef processing plants use every part of the cow. I can't imagine bison leather ever going to waste.

[@standdownrobots_ihaveoldglory]

And bison hide is much higher value. Few people want a cow hide/pelt, but loads of people want bison pelts. as a westerner, I wouldn't be surprised if nearly half the hides go to high end interior decoration, native people, outfitters, glamping companies, and cultural interpretive centers. Beautiful buffalo* hides are readily available on the market. *Old habits die hard. Besides they really are like 75% cattle, 25% bison, that's how they saved the species. As a kid we called the meat "beefalo" and they gave it away at free BBQs, and now I pay $10/lb lol 😂

[@Neberheim]

Actually a ton of cattle hides go to landfill. I couldn’t find any sources that mention bison hides specifically but it could definitely be a lower percentage than cow hides

[@nonyadamnbusiness9887]

@@Neberheim I wonder what your source is for hides going to the landfill? I seriously doubt any goes to a landfill, because it's also used to make glue and animal feed.

[@highestqualitypigiron]

I can only presume they sold the bison hide to tanneries then bought back the waste products, only reason why the boot is made out of things other higher quality manufacturers wouldn't need

[@bfletcher9678]

This man has singlehandedly made me exponentially more conscious of what I’m putting on my feet. Its honestly pretty wild.

[@jihigh482]

What's "wild" about it?

[@acehobojoe]

it's a wild idea@@jihigh482

[@verraque]

@@jihigh482they just discovered the ability to research to maximize what you’re getting out of your spending

[@YachtsOnTheReg7]

@@jihigh482 Realizing that big companies will use fraudulent marketing to extract money from unsuspecting consumers doesn't seem very "wild" to me. Seems kind of like "common sense."

[@colonelsanders4006]

Wow dude, that's really wild.

[@notgod3532]

Used to work for Wild Idea Buffalo on the harvest crew. It’s a really good company with an amazing mission. The hides start at the tannery in Scott’s Bluff Nebraska. Its a shame that they tan them so poorly. Those hides raw with the hair on are some of the best hides I’ve seen. When we’d keep hides to tan for personal use they were great. It’s a shame this is the quality of the boots knowing the work that goes into collecting those hides. Granted the rest of the meat and bones get utilized but man this is a bummer.

[@russ6541]

good to know, great input

[@Noumenon4Idolatry]

Wild Idea is a company I’ve been buying meat from for years. It’s too bad about these boots. I’ve seen Buffalo Robes sell in Rapid City for around 1400$ that’s the hide with all the hair on it. Would wild idea do anything like that? I live in ND.

[@74GenX]

As a boot fanatic your content is priceless. Saving us from wasting our money on junk! Thanks man! ❤

[@gron-go]

❤True❤

[@lopesdiogo1]

Funny that the factory only charger like 45 to 50€ at max to pentagonal to make this boots with labour and materials. , u can buy realy good bots and shoes for like 80 to 90€ that last 2 years as work boots. All leather and proper built quality. Just sertch for good factores in portugal .... them export to all europe as its realy good worksmanship

[@BeckVMH]

Absolutely, top tier channel doing incredible work on behalf of consumers. Betting that most of us who follow this channel would have heard a lot of alarms going off when Patagonia claims to make a competitive work boot, but good for this concrete evidence giving confirmation of our suspicions.

[@blacblac2294]

This episode is brought to you by "there's an argument to be made". Love your work man 👍🏼

[@joshuawesteros5345]

I really doubt hides were going to waste.

[@markedis5902]

Absolutely no chance that the slaughterhouse just threw away the skins. More likely they got salted and sold at auction by the ton

[@douglaseuritt3919]

I live in western South Dakota and buffalo robes (haired hides) are definitely not tossed into the trash considering the money they get for them!

[@joshuawesteros5345]

I wouldn’t be surprised either, bud.

[@jackreno12]

Yeah, no way is anybody throwing away bison hides. That's insanely wasteful and Patagonia should be ashamed of themselves for being associated with that for any period of time if it really was happening. Wouldn't be surprised to hear that this bison leather doesn't come from the same supplier as the bison jerky either. Probably just sourcing leather on the open market.

[@josephpadula2283]

I lived in Washougal WA and some of the blankets Still are made there or Pendleton ! Check the tag.

[@knightraithwall8924]

Just found this channel and am addicted to hearing him talk about boot construction and leather. The calm demeaner (no overreactions or dramatic tone) is great. I like that he also explains the goodyear welt in each video instead of just assuming every listener has heard the term before.

[@TheWhiteTaco]

The most eco friendly thing about those boots is the price. At over $400 not a lot of people will buy them and those that do will make sure they last a long time 😆

[@perelfberg7415]

Yea well did they not have a slogan recently. Dont buy this Jacket. But yes thats absolutly a factor and it seem like cost will go up over time also for other brands. I think usea and wast products will be gone in a few years. Moste will be more robust and reparable type construction.

[@komnishura]

And those that buy the boot have a lot less money to use on inecological(?) stuff in general

[@protocetid]

@@perelfberg7415Patagonia does make their clothing at least somewhat repairable so they can fix clothing you bought from them when it gets damaged. They usually just charge you shipping.

[@jihigh482]

​@@komnishuraA lot less? There's plenty of people for whom $400 are peanuts. A lot of them shop at Patagonia too

[@server1ok]

Yes, they can last for a decade. In the Office. Walking to the Coffee machine and back again.

[@heinrichstoltz1356]

I was dead set on a pair of these until I went into a Patagonia store. I was so disappointed the moment that I held them that I did not even take the time to fit them. Just left the store. Thanks for another honest review.

[@chasehelmick6025]

For ~$100 more you can get a quality bison leather boot from a PNW brand. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@vitaly6312]

You were dead set on these?! For that price??? I mean for $150 less you can get an Origin boot where everything is made ij the USA from quality materials - not crap. But you do you, boo

[@AnhH88]

Go with danners and red wings.

[@eightkindsofblue]

😅

[@GrandPotatoe]

This is as much of a "work boot" as any of the other expensive fashion boots claim to be.

[@bennetttrotter1679]

I’ve owned them for about a year now and have beat the hell out of them and currently work in maintenance and landscaping. I have to say I have loved them

[@emilylitchko9414]

I am a 30 year old woman who has never worn leather or a boot. No idea why I’m watching this but once I started I couldn’t stop. Very well done!

[@Rondoggy67]

This channel has completely changed my footwear buying. I’ve gone from buying footwear that was immedately comfortable but wore out in under 3 months, to buying shoes & boots that need a bit of breaking in but then feel great, last longer & can be maintained, repaired & re-soled. For example, two pairs of Crown Northampton sneakers that have been the best footwear purchase I’ve ever made. Thank you!

[@newbes6491]

I love this channel. Not even from a boot head or sneaker fanatic point of view, but from a I don't like to get ripped off point of view. Keep fighting the good fight!

[@mahcheeksajiglin6540]

I sell work boots at a Bootbarn. It’s tough balancing what I’ve learned on this channel and being able to sell the same things with a straight face to customers who want to buy some of these frauds.

[@Ludix147]

To be fair this guy has really high standards, and most companies really do make reasonable tradeoffs.

[@nicford1486]

You can be straight with people without being a disservice to your work. Understand what the customer wants and direct them that way. If they want a namebrand, let them have it. If they want more quality steer them to a better boot.

[@TheMerrittbadge]

@@Ludix147 This is true these boots honestly are not that bad, now you'd be better off if you are spending 400 just to go with the NIcks/Jk/Whites/Drews for only 100ish more or could be less depending what you get, the build quality shoots up drastically. Companies like Thursday and others like it make fine boots but once you've had the top nothing compares which is why his standards are so high.

[@nope5481]

​@@Ludix147Ive seen videos where hes trashed a company for a detail like the lining inside the boot and says for a $300 boot this BS. But same exact issue, different company, hell say i dont like that they used this lining but at this $300 price point I can see why they decided to cut corners here.

[@1k1ngst0n]

long time patagonia fan who is very disappointed in the boot they made. thank you for reviewing this.

[@why6212]

They've always done this. Interestingly enough, their jackets cost the same as the average working persons monthly wage in Patagonia.

[@bobsmith-ji2uh]

@@why6212 not to mention most of their products are petroleum based and made in Chinese factories.

[@bobsmith-ji2uh]

@YoshiPipez yes it is. This isn’t something they deny. They just say that a large percentage of the petroleum based products are from recycled materials sourced from China.

[@protocetid]

Part of the high price tag on Patagonia products comes from ensuring the overseas workers are being paid living wages and the working conditions are humane. Patagonia acknowledges that not every person who is making clothes for them is being paid a living wage and they plan to rectify that. They have various standards for the materials they use such as needing to be fair trade, recyclable, sustainability sourced etc. None of these are about build quality nor does Patagonia claim to go for extreme durability or quality. The apparel company also has a repair program, instead of charging you for fixing your items they bake that cost into the initial price tag. They do charge shipping and do not repair every kind of damage. The review is interesting but the reviewer selling a competing product presents a conflict of interest. What he did get right is you should never completely buy into a corporation’s claims, including his. And that the ecological impact of his or Patagonia’s approach should be questioned until an outside party does proper analysis.

[@bobsmith-ji2uh]

@YoshiPipez yeah ok. This info is from their own statements.

[@Jeremy-mc2ut]

Like most companies Patagonia are great at their speciality, which is clothing, and not so great at other things. They've tried to do footwear lines a few times and you can see how well that went.

[@ozoutdoorsman]

Glad to have found your channel. As a blind pataguchi fanboy outdoor enthusiasist i thankyou for the thoughtful review/teardown. Nice work, you got me thinking.

[@pbenjlo]

They found a way to use lower tier bison hides that were probably going to waste, but you can't expect the leather to be great after the tanning process, if it's bad from the start.

[@volundrfrey896]

"Going to waste" just means bought by someone else though. They don't produce the leather, they buy it. They buy the cheap stuff because it's cheap and if they didn't someone else would. Leather is in high demand.

[@willcresson8776]

​@volundrfrey896 exactly. Bison hide goes for 10 to 20 times (or more) what cow hide goes for. The seller isn't going to just throw it away unless it's completely unusable. Someone will buy it.

[@briannalamar]

Great honest analysis and advice. I used to do design work for them. It's a "club" for sure and though I worked great with them I never fit into it, and they knew it.

[@billybobbobson]

Damn, was it a boy’s club or was there some other kind of elitism going on?

[@briannalamar]

@@billybobbobson ahhh I dunno just very ultra patagonia - I'm an individualist so I ultimately wasn't a fit there....or anywhere for that matter.

[@jen7662]

@@billybobbobsonactivism squared…

[@TylerSnyder305]

" it's pretty well boot " needs to be on a T-shirt.

[@Drinkyoghurt]

Literally read this comment as he said it lol.

[@Starmast3rmusic]

​@@Drinkyoghurt same, idk how that happened

[@virtusleather]

id buy that

[@TylerSnyder305]

@@virtusleather I would too, but if there's a picture it's gotta be a better boot than this.

[@alfonsoalvarez8357]

@@Drinkyoghurtsame here lol😅

[@omonteso]

I was curious about this for years! Thanks for finally looking at it. I purchased them last year and came to the same conclusion you made. I had to retire them to a thrift store.

[@tatacraft791]

"its pretty well boot" and "its pretty bad boot" is just so simple i love it

[@lauraortiz1258]

This channel deserves more views and subscribers. It’s really important work that you’re doing, thanks!

[@Nini-pw4uf]

Bought a hoody from the brand in 2008. Theoretically, according to the ads, it was supposed to last a lifetime, it got wasted in year 2011. I still use a black Diamond hoody, offered by the brand the same year. And they never advertised durability or any kind of BS. I wear it at least once a week, and my « office » is a granite cliff or an indoor climbing gym. It shows signs of tearing but still looks ok. Also, I still proudly own, the year 94 issued hoody of my high school climbing team, price at the time : 9.99 bucks. Made of cotton and recycled plastic bottles, back when it was the cheapest material, because it wasn’t fancy. Lifetime warranty, eco-friendly, yeah yeah yeah, I knew in which direction this was gonna turn. I’ve got 30% discount on any product of the brand all year round, never bought another one. BD equipment for casual clothing, Arcteryx (pricy) or Millet (value for money) for working clothes.

[@marcosmota1094]

First time watcher. Great content, graphics, and delivery. Awesome way to educate customers and teach people about daily products, manufacturing, and protecting us from marketing BS.

[@goobiesgamegarage4517]

Those are work boots for guys who work at desks. I say that as a guy who works at a desk.

[@sanchocloset5987]

😂I'm curious to know what kind of boots you wear to work.

[@majormassenspektrometer]

thats funny ^^

[@madelainepetrin1430]

Love your stuff! Wouldn't spend money on good boots without checking your videos first. ❤

[@shinobi-no-bueno]

Using an extremely overpriced dress boot for work use truly is a wild idea

[@sunnohh]

I wonder what 100 other boots gave them the idea?

[@BigBADSTUFF69]

they mean work in an office 🤣🤣

[@actionjksn]

Believe the manufacturer is calling it a work boot.

[@Lee_303]

@@actionjksn does it have a steel toe cap, can it protect from acid, oil, chemical or hot water, does it protect the heels, etc etc?

[@thegreatskate8360]

bison is great for boots he should have conditioned them first@@Lee_303

[@Stirual98]

I have recently been looking for a good pair of all leather, stitched, hiking boots. I stumbled on the German brand Hanwag and their "doubet-stitched" line of boots, which i think would be fun to check out and see sawed in half. Im tempted to buy a pair but i'm afraid it might be another case (like the Danners) of boots that used to be really well made but aren't anymore. Loving the content!

[@janus7222]

I‘ve used HanWag, HAIX and Meindl for work and HanWag are still my goto boot. I use them nearly daily for hiking / working in the woods and they‘ve been in the alps more then a dozen times. Would be interesting to see some cut in half. They are expensive, but imho worth it, if you go hiking a lot. Bought them 6 years ago, though.

[@TheTinkeringMachinist]

Its crazy they obviously had access to nice thick leather for the mid sole, but completely cheaped out and put fiberboard or w/e for the lasting board... the one thing that cannot be easily recrafted.

[@ChiefGore429]

I would love to see more true vintage shoes. Interesting to see what they were doing in the 60's, 70's, etc.

[@automatic241]

I don't really want to know because I feel like they had better boots for far less money

[@sarahrosen4985]

I want to know but not at the price of sacrificing good pairs we'll never get back.

[@bonnuitmonchere]

I am obsessed!! May I please request you review Rujo cowboy boots? Just bought a pair of the caimans and apparently they don’t have the crummy plastic counters and they are genuinely Goodyear welded!

[@USSResolute]

I'm still using the same pair of Danner boots that I got in 2003. I've had the sole replaced twice, but the boots work just fine as long as you are not crawling in gravel or being dragged behind a vehicle. (True stories).

[@IanZainea1990]

10:03 i like that you got a nail down the middle. Very cool to see

[@Lord_Mad_Dog]

i have one of their hemp flannel shirts and its surprisingly durable and pretty high quality. shame to see these arent up to that same standard

[@christopherrowley7506]

I was thinking about their hemp work pants. Typically I just use carhartt

[@justinkeenan7315]

Thanks for ever entertaining content, Wes! Please do the Drew’s $350 work boot or their new $370 Contractor boot! ❤

[@cooperrumph6868]

As one who bought (but have not yet received) some Drew's I'd love to see a review.

[@Highland_Paddy]

@@cooperrumph6868 Hope they fit. Tried them in March and had to return for issues.

[@EliKirkMusic]

Funny youre wearing a Charley Crockett shirt, saw him two days ago live in Amsterdam!

[@ronklanzig7496]

I agree with the main point of this video and I dont think this only applies to their boot. I was a big fan of Patagonia and I still like their philosophy, but after trying to find some long lasting and functional gear, I came to the realization that Patagonia is more of a Name brand, people buying stuff to show off the brand rathet than quality. People may disagree, but I resesearched for half a year. Generally, their synthetic filled jackets (micro puff etc - the functional jackets they are most known for) are lasting for a few months of use before they lose their effectiveness. Their customer service openly communicates this. And this is only one example.

[@rorybryson626]

The micropuff is a very lightweight insulation layer designed for alpine climbing and other similar activities. The plumafill insulation it uses is just about the best synthetic insulation on the market for warmth-to-weight, and performs much better when damp than hydrophobic-treated down. Patagonia make a range of products, but lightweight alpine gear is never going to be good value for money if you use it for regular use day to day, no matter the brand, and synthetic insulation in particular degrades faster than down would. And as you say, Patagonia don't make any claims that a jacket like the micropuff is particularly durable, so I don't really see the problem. Ultimately, if you want a jacket that will last for a long time don't go for a super light option. Patagonia call the micropuff "best warmth-to-weight ratio of any jacket we’ve ever created", so it's clearly not going to be their most durable offering.

[@JGr3asy]

Love Charley Crockett!Another informative review, Thanks brother

[@Menocchio1]

The story reminds me of what Jim Green did with their Buffalo African Rangers. Crazy that they got better leather from wild animals harvested in the field and sold it for half the price.

[@CreativeUsernameHere-r1k]

That's south africa for you.

[@shanegraham8567]

I have a pair of those. Love them! I think I'll still be hiking in them in 20 years.

[@Sourpusscandy]

Dude, I love your teardowns!!! Matches my level of standards and cuts thru the BS. Literally!

[@sciverzero8197]

depending on the binder they use, it would be theoretically possible to make a reconstituted plastic-leather material that when worn out, could be recycled multiple times into new reconstituted leather... or potentially even just use a repeatable thermoplastic as a binder, allowing you to simply heat the leather material up to self heal and not even need to be replaced or recycled. (Modern concrete and ancient roman concrete have these properties, and some plastics used in phones have self healing properties as well, being easily damaged, but immediately contact fusing back to itself... concrete requires moisture, but the point is, there's a lot of self healing materials we could use to avoid even needing to dispose of the boots or the materials at all... in theory. There's always degredation over time, but for most of these that degredation can be literally on a geologic timescale... and they can still be disposed of _intentionally_ with little impact)

[@nightlark]

but the carbon costs of having to reconstitute these, from transport to heating and reshaping... I'm not sold that even IF that's possible it'd be a less wasteful solution than just making a boot with more long-lasting material at the onset

[@jooei2810]

Stumbled on your channel and I have to say the content is great and you are a good presenter with the knowledge to back your claims, subbed!

[@dissapointed]

Hey RoseAnvil, I was just wondering what happens to the boots that are cut in half? Do you use the leather in projects, trash it, put it on display, recycle it, etc? Mostly just curious, enjoyed the video and the environmental questions posed.

[@E3lx]

I'm pretty sure he just keeps them, since he'll sometimes whip out old boots that he cut in half months ago to compare to new ones

[@MrAndrewClaycomb]

He did a shop tour a while back, and there’s basically an ever growing library of half cut boots on shelves. He mentioned possibly renting “the archives” out to shoe manufacturers in the future for research purposes.

[@SquidChipProductions]

Great video again, love that someone is holding these brand names accountable. When do you think the next sale is for wallets with leather imperfections?

[@RJKYEG]

Dr. Scholls insoles last for ages.

[@kristozondagh]

Excellent video as always. I'd love to see you do a video on MTB shoes. For instance, Adidas bought FiveTen several years ago and there are reports that the quality has since decreased. Or even just a comparison between leading brands would be interesting.

[@byrnez2755]

Patagonia, Inc. ownership structure is interesting and sounds nice on paper. It PISSES me off when trusted brands like this put out crappy products for such a high price. I would rather they not dilute their brand at all and just not go down the road of releasing such a crappy product. It's happening SO much the past couple years especially. So many brands with strong strong reputations are sneaking in crappy products in their line-ups. It get's even WORSE when investment-capital groups get involved.

[@madelainepetrin1430]

Make them cheap, sell high - why they buy brands and trash them.

[@bengonzalez5215]

You trusted them? Lol

[@Fouxdufafafafafa]

Strong reputation? Are you joking? This is a company that grand stands and shames people about so-called eco-views while at the same time 99 percent of everything they make comes from petroleum. Their clothes are literally endocrine disruptive and they are most probably the number one brand in the world responsible for micro-plastics being everywhere! Further- more ,as an avid mountaineer, their outdoor gear has been considered crap for quite awhile now as it tends to be built with faulty stitching and made to fail so that you will buy another piece from them. Marketing and shame are a powerful tool my friend . They can destroy logic.

[@BodyDestruction]

Lol, I was gonna say LVMH and then I read your last line. Indeed, trustworthy old quality brands have become far and few between, any brand that isn’t independent is at risk or has already been hollowed out for quarterly profits. The best quality items now can mostly be found at little known brands, the few independent ones, and the vintage market. And not just fashion and boots, it’s the same with tools, cars, appliances, even houses.

[@ryanmccarthy7281]

This generation doesn't care if the quality is shit. All they care about is the brand. They will buy it KNOWING it isnt built well for the price.

[@ryanhikes14ers]

You’re doing important work! Thank you!

[@zachmiller9175]

African rangers are everything these strive to be for 1/3 the price or half for the buffalo leather version.

[@balwantpadaki6183]

The only creator whose videos I 'Like' even before starting the video. He has never disappointed even once.

[@RJKYEG]

Perhaps Patagonia is targeting the fauxletariat consumer, these boots may last a long time at the coffee shop.

[@ajenks9]

First time watcher, first time subscriber. Keep it going! Thank you!

[@uncannyfox]

It's definitely overpriced for what it is, but I am happy to see that it has a true toe-cap and a gusseted tongue, unlike most fashion boots.

[@Victor.Santana]

Hey Weston! Would love to see your review of some Cariuma shoes. They're vegan sustainable skate shoes, pretty interesting project. Love your videos!

[@cattledog901]

Many outdoor products rely on marketing but Patagonia's general quality has slipped badly on all their products and they still charge top tier prices. Arcteryx and Outdoor Research are both similarly expenisve but at least still make high quality goods at the end of the day.

[@loriloretta7639]

Duder, I need a Le Chameau video!!! Preferrably the leather lined variety!!! Thank you

[@theinternets7516]

I'd like to see another review in a year or two if Patagonia is even still making these to see if they've addressed these issues amd if he feels like they're worth the price if those issues are addressed.

[@Noumenon4Idolatry]

Same

[@omariopuntocom]

Hey Crown the Empire, nice! Also, your video production quality seems to only get better and better with every video. Appreciate you!

[@chuckh.2227]

I'm a mechanic I wear a size 12W and those "work boots" wouldn't last me 2 months I used to buy Caterpillar's steel toe but after 3 pairs of the top of the steel toe leather rubbed through I switched to Timberland Pro and have been very happy with them so far

[@clcphoto]

The sole on my Timberland Pros recently started seperating from the rest of the boot. After 10 years. I superglued them back on so they'll probably be good for a couple more years.

[@steveeab2364]

​@@clcphotolet em die in peace

[@sammilanowski5779]

Haven’t fully watched the video yet but man I was waiting for you to make a video on this since I saw they launched the boot!!

[@jamesmccreery250]

Pretty much what I expected from Patagonia.

[@purplemonkeydishwasher5269]

First time seeing you. I have bought my fourth set of Scarpa ranger boots after the first two pairs served me really well. My third pair, the leather almost felt like a suede texture, like the leather was dyed with some sort of powder coat. When I polished them up it never really seemed to hold, and I found I was having to polish them and rewax all the time. The leather came away from the sole after about 12months. They're really comfortable so I put it down to bad luck and bought a new pair, but same problem and this time they've cheaped out on the insoles and they've deteriorated after less than six months.

[@0num4]

"If you want to know how a tool works, take it apart." AvE Love that RA has been putting this rule into practice. Keep your stick on the ice.

[@NCrdwlf]

AvE, one of the best channels put there.

[@_HMCB_]

Forgot how good this channel is. Amazing video and your knowledge is very helpful. I appreciate your dedication to excellence.

[@calebgasca]

Sadly a large majority of Patagonia’s eco friendly branding is just marketing. While they do their best to make high quality clothing based on my experience pretty much all their clothes are made of synthetics. Most of their products can be bought at a similar quality cheaper from competitors. I am a big fan of their stand up shorts and baggies shorts as well as their pataloha Hawaiian shirts but I tend not to purchase from them anymore. These boots seem to follow the Patagonia plan of marketing high quality and environmentally friendly while ultimately being a virtue signal.

[@Jose-x3d4d]

of course it is virtue signaling, to submit to the NWO agenda

[@nequeox618]

Sustainability doesnt mean you cannot use synthetics. Patagonia is still an outdoor brand and as much as I would like to get rid of plastics in the environment completely there is still a use case for them, e.g. rain jackets.

[@calebgasca]

@@nequeox618i understand the use cases for synthetics and I totally agree that they have their place. I use synthetic garments for specific use cases in my life. I was more so trying to point out the fact that there is nuance within Patagonia’s marketing. It isn’t all rainbows and sunshine and they often use their marketing to make their products seem better than they are.

[@nequeox618]

Thanks for the clarification. To be honest, I don't know much about Patagonias marketing. Where I'm from, they don't seem to invest much in marketing, because the brands reputation speaks for itself. And the products I personally own hold up to their high standards. But I guess we can all agree to not believe everything companies tell us. ;)

[@JRRob3wn]

Their core market is wealthy yuppies in the 25-45 yo age bracket generally in cities like Seattle. Patagonia is worn as a fashion statement in areas like this in the same way that Vineyard Vines or Ralph Lauren might be worn as a fashion statement in other regions. I personally find their prices to be completely outrageous considering there are some outstanding options in the outdoor clothing market that are much more budget friendly.

[@kennethd4958]

Does anyone else find it relaxing and satisfying when he cuts the shoes in half and the sound it makes?

[@JaysonBucy]

Seems like one of those instances where someone at the company had a good idea and someone else latched on and said I can save us some money and someone else latched on and said I can make us some money.

[@tonycerruto5157]

You make some really good points about repurposed/ recycled material. It wears out faster than solid pure materials, thus ending up in the landfill. I feel that Patagonia know this. They understand their market. Most people who buy and wear Patagonia are not using the clothes for what they were really designed for. Patagonia 15-20 years ago was gear for hardcore outdoors enthusiasts but they see that people are wearing their brand as a fashion statement. Maybe sort of like what happened with North Face. They are counting on people who are into “outdoor sheik” who aren’t really doing any hardcore out door activities. Theses are for the folks who parked their imported JDM, right hand drive Land Cruiser (that they don’t actually drive off-road) or Ducati scrambler and walked a block to their favorite coffee shop in the Sugarhouse district of Salt Lake City. So as long as they are only doing that, theses boots will last a few years. Patagonia is selling the ability to virtue signal. It’s a bit like the whole “everyone should drive an electric car to save the environment” false narrative. Patagonia is clothing for the urban outdoorsman (person). Just my opinion. If that’s your vibe than rock it! Excellent content by the way. Keep up the good work.

[@joseguatemala3770]

Great points about fake sustainability. Reminds me of faux vs real fur.

[@hayi8957]

Bit of a strawman, I'm not sure sustainability per se is why many ppl are against fur..

[@blarfroer8066]

People oppose fur because fur farms are notorious for animal abuse.

[@lizcademy4809]

@@hayi8957 It's not. The anti-fur people are more about "save the cute little adorable mammals who are treated horribly, killed and skinned solely for vanity." I am not an anti-fur person. 1. If they ever tried to keep a mink as a pet, they would not think "cute, adorable". They're quite vicious. 2. As with any animal product, the best products come from animals who are given a good life. I'm all for stopping fur farms that treat animals poorly, not all do. 3. While a fur coat in Florida is vanity, I live in Minnesota. There is *nothing* as warm on a -40° night as fur.

[@cheddarmx5969]

The points about fake sustainability are easily the worst parts of this video, if a material is being reused no matter how little time it last it’s better than new material because most of the pollution comes from material collection, so in turn not collecting new material is in fact doing a ton for the environment. Also if you have done any even little tiny bit of research about different brands effects on the environment Patagonia is easily the best in terms of pollution out in ppm.

[@lizcademy4809]

@@cheddarmx5969 I politely disagree. There are renewable resources and non-renewable ones. For non-renewable resources, you are right ... we need to re-use them as often as possible, because once they're gone, they aren't coming back. This would include petroleum-based items like plastic, synthetic rubber, synthetic fabric, etc. Renewable resources on the other hand, are things we can have an infinite supply of, with careful husbandry. These are usually plant and animal derived, like wood, cotton, leather, and fur. A shoe made of new leather, wood and cork is much more "sustainable" than one made of "vegan leather" and a recycled sole. This explanation is simplified. There are nuances, but the basic concept holds.

[@volyota3117]

Another great review and teardown by Weston, and very good questions raised about what is really eco friendly. I'm all about quality, long lasting goods.

[@74GenX]

Another 150$ and you can pick up a pair of Nick's 😮

[@thebrowns5337]

or a second hand car

[@morgizmo87]

@@thebrowns5337maybe 20 years ago...

[@bolandjd]

I got my Frank’s Front Range for the same price on sale. And Frank sells his Patriot boots even cheaper!

[@ultraorange1]

lol at sometime in the future when they get around to it

[@veronikalugitsch]

Great Video Pleas make a Video about the brand Waldviertler from Austria especially about the "Jaga" that would be great thank you ❤

[@thebreakfastmenu]

It'd be really cool if they watched this video and improved the boot based on it.

[@danieldronzek8616]

Like the Perry Select?

[@BwBumbar]

If enough people @ them in the comments they actually might?

[@thebrowns5337]

I feel they are more likely to sue. These big greenwashing corps only care about profit and image. But profit first.

[@laundrieshanging9077]

Beautiful deconstruction, and i valued your knowledge. Bravo.

[@brianmclaffin]

Fantastic video. Appreciate your analysis, and totally agree with your opinions.

[@MD-gx4bw]

Price aside, I'm really surprised Patagonia has made a boot this good... I was ready for them to be Harley Davidson quality not Thursday co quality.

[@kniter]

Would love to see you take a crack at Altberg boots, in my opinion some of the best boots you can get.

[@OmegaGamingNetwork]

I operate on a simple rule. "If it is marketed as eco friendly, it is marketed to fools and suckers and is rarely what it pretends to be". I am rarely disappointed.

[@AdamBrinson]

Another argument against the "green" angle on these boots. If the hides are from Wild Idea, which is US based, how much carbon is being released shipping them to Portugal?

[@BizarreBear]

This is sad… I love Patagonia…. Hurts me to see how they failed this boot.

[@whynotmorewhisky]

Patagonia has always been a fraud, just like any brand which claims to be “eco-friendly” while manufacturing in China, where there are essentially zero environmental regulations and the use of toxic pollutants is widespread. And that’s without even mentioning that they primarily use nylon and other synthetics made from petroleum. Total sham.

[@bbqlips]

Another totally rad video!

[@Onyxaxe]

Thanks for busting Patagonia. I had a bad feeling as soon as I saw the price. They don't actually pay the amazing wages they claim to, so this is just too expensive for what it is. They are funneling that money into the trust fund or whatever it is now.

[@vilo159]

I suggested this one! :) Thanks for making a video on it!

[@fbswampfox]

Calling $400+ boots “work boots” just shows how out of touch their CEO is!

[@Robstrap]

But it's not out of touch for nicks to charge $850?

[@fbswampfox]

@@Robstrap all of it is out of touch, especially with the current economy.

[@felixfox8810]

Another top notch review video! Quality content as always.

[@Destroyer-Grizzly-BIH]

If companies use recycled materials to make products, shouldn’t they be way cheaper?

[@joshuathorson8813]

Takes a lot more effort to collect and process recycled material than to source virgin material. Plus there's a lower supply, hence higher price.

[@therealdayid]

Unfortunately recycled materials are often as as expensive or more expensive than new materials due to the cost of recovering them to recycle. That's one of the big "costs of recycling" that is unfortunate. Recycling is to "change the world", not save the wallet. This is also why a lot of the "recycling" (at least in the USA) is expensively shipped around the world (where it's often just disposed of as trash anyways) to be reconstituted. It's also why "recycle" is the last of the three-Rs, with reduce and re-use being preferred.

[@popuppete]

@@therealdayidfully agree. My old teacher always use to say: Reuse, repair, repurpose, reduce, recycle. In order of benefit.

[@Destroyer-Grizzly-BIH]

@@joshuathorson8813You have a point.

[@betulaobscura]

Good review!

[@TheDanielscarroll]

I think you definitely can and should FAULT THEM as they make big claims and should be extremely transparent and clearly they are not.

[@BodyDestruction]

It would be interesting to see where these materials *actually* come from. Bison leather that’s thrown away? Dissecting the product can tell you everything about the production, analyzing the supply chain is a totally different skill set, one that might unfortunately be outside of the scope of this channel.

[@bryanfaulkner3405]

Please review Duradero moc toe work boots. I bought a pair about two months ago and love them. Plus, they come with a free resole.

[@edanpino-xt1ph]

Those boots wouldn’t last with me. I’ve had some decent (for the price) boots handle working in a factory just fine, but I also ran through the soles and destroyed the heel. It got to the point where I could barely walk because of how they aged after about 10 months. These wouldn’t last 3 months, and that’s the biggest issue I have with Patagonia. I’m sure they make good stuff, I’ve just never seen it, and never had good experiences

[@andrewwolff2161]

When a big company says they are using “waste” in order to help the environment, usually what they mean is “we found a way to make money off our garbage! And we can use the environment as a marketing angle!”

[@chairliftphilospher5710]

Can you review white mountain boots? Their 100$ "snow boot" ended up making me a boot nerd because I wanted boots that'd last more than a year of everyday wear

[@JasonChatzianastasiou]

Hey , I would like to see a video about Tony mora cowboy boots , I am looking forward to see it

[@bajamedic]

I just got my 3rd pair of JK’s, custom 8” fire inlanders, low heel, red x and full smooth BISON. They are rad.

[@augenmaugen]

Great job calling these guys out on the not-so-great aspects. For a bigger brand that seems to have a lot of brand loyalty and must be quite profitable, they should be putting in the due diligence to ensure they’re meeting their mission statement.

[@keithjoseph7433]

Thank you for the video. I am really learning something.