44 mag vs 30-30 Lever Action Scrub Guns

[@Prepare2Survive]

44 mag uses less gun powder to reload and the types of gun powder used are cheaper and there's more different selections of powders than the powders used for 30-30. Non expanding homemade lead bullets are much more effective in 44 mag than 30-30 and because 44 mag is a straight walled caliber there's no need to trim the brass.

[@HuntShootOffroad]

Yes very valid points! I should probably do a video on more detail.

[@boedude8496]

agreed that the 44 is easier and cheaper to reload. plus with full power loads you give up very little if anything in power to the 3030. out to 75-100y they are virtually the same. obviously the 3030 will take you much further out without having do dramatically adjustjng elevation. but you do get 10+1 with the 44. in the end it might just be personal preference. but i went with the 44, mainly because i had a rught srh already

[@Threewolfs-]

Love me some 45-70, but I do have and love the 44 mag & 30-30’s. Each have its place, can’t have enough guns (in different calibers).❤️👍🏼🤠

[@HuntShootOffroad]

Always better to have options than limitations!

[@luciankristov6436]

Threewolfs 45-70 45/70 is king! I love my marlin 1895 cb 26 inch gun. Thing wrecks anything it hits

[@HuntShootOffroad]

@@luciankristov6436 I haven't had the pleasure tip hunt with mine yet. But I imagine it would be a show stopper#

[@Ron-Swanson]

45 70 factory ammo is weak.

[@Ron-Swanson]

lucian kristov 45 70 was powerful back when they were loading all black powder, modern day it is weak compared to my 338.

[@vetryder]

One advantage of 44mag is you can match it with a revolver so your sidearm uses the same ammo. It’s kinda heavy for everyday carry but still doable with a good holster.

[@HuntShootOffroad]

Not in Aus though, no personal protection, and no handguns outside of competition use

[@Trapsarentgay133]

@@HuntShootOffroad cause public safety or some bullshit

[@aussiekempo4536]

Great video, thanks. I have a 336BL carbine in 30-30 and love it, it is still a lot heavier than a 44 mag, but the 18 1/2 inch barrel makes it really handy and it points really nicely. The advantage of the 30-30 over the 44 is that if you are hunting meat with a soft point, it does virtually no damage to the meat apart from the hole. I reckon it is seriously under rated in Australia for that application. Between that and the extra 50 yards it is my favourite round for the sort of mixed game state forest hunting that I do, but can see your point on the utility of the 44 for pig control. Clearly I need one of each :-)

[@HuntShootOffroad]

Exactly! Get both. I think it's best to understand your purpose and use. If you know that the choice is easy. I think if I was hunting deer in pine forests 30-30 would be a better choice.

[@gud2go50]

I have all 3 and the 1894 .44 Magnum is by far my favorite.

[@HuntShootOffroad]

44 mag is definitely my favorite, but I love the 45-70 just because it's HUUUGGEEE!

[@ryanadams3960]

Exactly what I have dropped 3 does in 10 seconds 1 a week later and one 8 point buck to date with only one doe that had meat damage due to a blown out shoulder

[@HuntShootOffroad]

@@ryanadams3960 is that with the 45-70?

[@ryanadams3960]

@@HuntShootOffroad it was with my model 1894 .44 magnum

[@HuntShootOffroad]

@@ryanadams3960 yeah nice

[@reddog9161]

Far out man I needed this haha Been tossing up for weeks between these 2. Running dogs up north next year and need something for over the shoulder while running around thanks heeeeeaps 🤠👍

[@HuntShootOffroad]

Glad it helped mate. I made this video for Aussies, and just getting whingeing from the US lol.

[@rbarnhart2753]

Excellent video! I’ve got one of each (.44 30-30 and 45-70) and you are spot on about the ammo cost on the 45-70 being borderline prohibitive for lots of shooting! I’m hard pressed to pick a favorite between the other two though. I run iron sights on both, and I never shoot much past 75 yards. Not because the guns won’t do it, but that’s about where I limit myself as I’m getting older these days. 😊

[@HuntShootOffroad]

100% when hunting (excluding those using range finders), I think most people also think they are shooting further than they are. I have a 3-9x on my bolt and I still shoot 90% within 20m lol. They are great guns! I'm using my 44 tonight doing some SASS!

[@briangalindoherbert]

I've had my winchester a94 in 44mag for 2 years (props to mainstreet guns, Lilburn, GA). I've had other rifles that shoot handgun rounds, my ruger american chambered for .357mag was easy to shoot accurately with little kick, but the energy of the 44mag round out of a 16" barrel at sub-100yds would def make Harry Callahan's day, it strikes with extreme prejudice. One drawback, this gun is probably the LOUDEST i've owned, my earplug slipped halfway loose once before I fired and my ear was ringing for two days!

[@HuntShootOffroad]

Ole dirty Harry! Must be the short barrel, I would say my 308 is louder than my 44 mag. How many rounds does yours for in the mag?

[@EnkeiTenjin]

Lower velocity and greater weight projectiles are affected less by the brush. They tend to just keep on trucking. Although, 30-06 simply cannot be stopped. No matter what you're shooting through. But then again, 30-06 isnt in the same league as 44 mag and 30-30. So its unfair to compare. Personally, for within 80m the 44 mag is the better option. I'd rather run a 357 over a 44 purely for cost of ammo. 357 is as effective at 50m as 44 magnum is at 80m. So just again, depends on your hunting distances. Good vid mate. Love em.

[@HuntShootOffroad]

I personally just think bigger is better. 30-06 is awesome but 35 Whelen is better! I much prefer the 30-06 over the 308 and almost similar cost to run but much more flexible!

[@thorjensen9829]

I find my Winchester 94 a good middle ground, I've used a rossi 92 in 44 mag, fully loaded they both feel around the same weight. The benefits of the Winchester over the marlin in 30-30 is weight and the extra round you can fit in the tube making for a total of 8. I just run a red dot on my 94 which is perfect for scrup hunting. I've found the action smother on my 94 out of the box compared to entry level 336, mind you my Winchester was made in the late 70s. I guess a benefit of the 336 is the side eject as apposed to the top eject of the 94. I mainly run ppu 150gn soft points which I usually get for less than $20 a box.

[@HuntShootOffroad]

Yeah I saw the PPU at the LGS for $25. The Winchesters are definitely smoother/faster that's why all the cowboy action shooters use them. They are a nice light gun! Top eject eject doors limit some optic choices. I'm all about that magazine capacity!

[@markhansen8078]

I own both of these 1894 and 336 rifles. I also have the 1895. I prefer to use the 1894 in 44 magnum most of the time. Light and handy with plenty of punch. My 1894 loves 240 grain RNSP Winchester white box ammo. I don't know why but it loves them. Shoots quarter size 3 shot groups at 50 yds from a rest with iron sights. I rarely put more than 3 rounds in any of my lever rifles. I think the most I have shot at an animal is twice so why lug around the extra weight. I'll keep a few more in my pocket, but never needed them on a hunt. I like a large heavy bullet for hunting. Small bullets at high velocity tend to do massive damage and destroy meat. I'm in central Florida so lots of thick brush. Love my big bores and 50 yards is a long shot for me. TY.... MH

[@HuntShootOffroad]

Are you mostly shooting deer? I'm yet to shoot a deer, we are mostly hunting pigs

[@markhansen8078]

@@HuntShootOffroad I hunt both of them. I recall a day hunting in Georgia and shot a deer in the morning and a hog in the evening just before sunset. That day I was using my 270 Weatherby Vanguard. Another awesome rifle. Dime size groups at 100 yards. Shot the hog in the head from 65-70 yards. Needed to drop it in its tracks to get out of there before dark. I still got out of there in the dark. lol That was a creepy spot. I felt like I was being watched/followed.

[@mattluszczak8095]

What about 360 buckhammer -i think only available in the henry. Dont rhink available in australia

[@MattChat56]

I have a 2x primary arms prizom optic on my lever and it’s perfect.

[@HuntShootOffroad]

Yeah I think most people over scope them. 2x would be good!

[@shanevonharten3100]

30 30 and 44mag are both great rounds but i went for the 45/70 for all round knock down power. Some of our mountain boars are upwards of 250kg and the large deer species, maybe one day a buffalo trip. Don't worry about the knockers, your not wrong.

[@HuntShootOffroad]

Yeah I only recently shot the 45-70 a couple of weeks ago, I'm gong to have to blood that guy for sure! Nah there aren't to many haters.... Yet lol.

[@shanevonharten3100]

@@HuntShootOffroad. I went the Henry 010 steel, smooth as silk and 243 comparable recoil with hornady 325 ftx factory loads. Devastating round, not for meat hunting.

[@HuntShootOffroad]

@@shanevonharten3100 I'm not to familiar with the Henry's so I'll have to check them out!

[@shanevonharten3100]

@@HuntShootOffroad. Lots of options available with Henry's nowdays. I'm stoked with mine

[@aaaaa1957]

Looks like the 44 is better then the 3030 for pig. But the extra range ( x 1.5 - x 2 ) that’s not a little extra range. As far as more ammo in the tube, side loaders are so quick to load it’s not an issue.

[@HuntShootOffroad]

If I was hunting different game not for pest control, the 30/30 might be the better choice!

[@scottydouglass1892]

Do you guys hunt kangaroos? What do you use? Are they good to eat? I had a cowboy, I sold it and am looking to get the 18 inch barreled cba. You know for big bears in alaska. The long gun was a bit much to tote about in the woods. I also have a winchester 16inch .44. One for me and one for my son. I have a long barreled win 30-30 and a couple old marlin 336's in 30-30. I love them all. Old guns and lever actions, and then old lever actions.

[@HuntShootOffroad]

No you cannot hunt any native Australian animals. Some farms get "mitigation certificates" to cull kangaroos. But part of the rules are you must leave them where they lay, unless they are on a road. They are extremely easy to shot at night under spotlight, which is legal (under certificate). A 223 bolt action would be the firearm of choice (semi autos are pretty much illegal here). Yeah I'm about to modify my marlin with the MLOK rail from Midwest Industry and the trigger and gate from Ranger Precision Point.

[@dolf3288]

Scotty Douglass mate roo is farken delicious, you can’t hunt em but it’s farmed so easy to get. Gotta be cooked right but it’s super lean. It’s more like beef than chicken.

[@TheZotman5]

In the US there are states that mandate hunting with straight walled cartridges only. Some also regulate the overall length of the cartridge, eliminating the 45-70. In those situations the 44 wins.

[@bigben9379]

If you get a minute , do you have the microgroove or ballard rifling and have you had any feeding or cycling issues? How is accuracy to 50 yards? Cool vidoe by the way. Thanks

[@HuntShootOffroad]

I'm not sure which rifling I have. 50 yards accuracy is very good!

[@bigben9379]

@@HuntShootOffroad Thanks for getting back to me. If its micrgroove it would say it on the barrel.

[@amoliver82]

You can actually get a Marlin 336 in 44mag however they are rare. They were only made for a few years which I believe were 1963-1967.

[@HuntShootOffroad]

Yeah I thought there were some odd ball ones, which was why I only listed the currently manufactured options. But yes I checked and it would appear your correct! Might have to keep my eye out for one!

[@HuntShootOffroad]

@K Gehringer I'm happy with what I've got, won't be replacing it

[@ethandellinger8993]

But witch one kicks harder? That’s pretty much all I wanted to know haha

[@HuntShootOffroad]

Oh man, I didn't even think about that and to be honest I don't know lol. All I know is my 35 Whelen is a thumper. Anything less than that is ok lol.

[@williamaberle6520]

338 marlin express is the best marlin caliber out there, performs like a 308 win with a 200gr. bullet.

[@HuntShootOffroad]

I will have to check out that cartridge!

[@MsBeerisgood]

Very good video mate. I agree with everything you say. I use a Rossi 454 Casull . To me that's the best of both worlds , besides the cost of factory ammo. Although I load my own hard cast sledgehammers . Cheers mate.

[@HuntShootOffroad]

Yeah I haven't played with the 454 casull, not a big round in Australia

[@MsBeerisgood]

@@HuntShootOffroad most underrated big game cartridge IMO. I know plenty of people have trouble with the 44 mags on big pigs. Not the case with the 454. Factory magtech 260gr @ 2100 fps measured with my magnetospeed chrony. Or 300gr at 1910fps. My problem is having big enough pigs to take the full brunt of the 454. Although even 250gr hard cast smash the hell out of everything. Same mag capacity as 44 mag , but 444 marlin firepower & a genuine 45 thump. Ultimate pig gun & so short and handy. Great to see they are being made again.

[@HuntShootOffroad]

@@MsBeerisgood what would you call a big pig? For me in thinking anything over 60kg/130lbs? I to would be looking for a bigger caliber if I was regularly seeing pigs bigger than that.

[@MsBeerisgood]

@@HuntShootOffroad above 70kg . 90kg + pigs tend the wear a lot of 44 lead. I believe it's because of the high velocity hollow points, blow up & or Don t penetrate deep enough. Especially on raking shots. 270gr + hard cast would do a lot better in my opinion.

[@MsBeerisgood]

Btw a 44mag loaded with say a 300gr hard cast at 1400fps ish would put the 44 mag in a whole new level of effectiveness. 2 -3 foot of penetration & would do the job on pigs up to probably 100kg. Yes would shorten the range to 70-100 meters but that's still a lot farther then that 30ish meters you & me hunt.

[@rememberussliberty1822]

Check out primary arms Cyclops 1× prism scope. It has an etched reticle so you dont need a battery but it is illuminated

[@HuntShootOffroad]

That would probably cost a fortune with the aussie dollar though :(

[@rememberussliberty1822]

@@HuntShootOffroad oh crap i didnt think about that. They are $200 usd. The regular micro reddots these days have 10,000+ hour battery life and can be had for $100. Primary arms has good stuff alot is backordered because americans are prepping for civil war 2.0 right now lol www.primaryarms.com/1+Red-Dot-Sights/MCategories+Optics

[@HuntShootOffroad]

@@rememberussliberty1822 plenty of US guys watch the show so the comment is still valid!

[@efeightyeight]

Primary Arms don’t ship to Australia and no one here stocks them as far as I’m aware. I wish they did though!

[@mot0rhe4d40]

Cowboy Americana alive and well in the penal colony 😉 Really enjoyed the listen, Cheers from Arkansas. I own everyone you spoke on except my real big bore is the Marlin triple 4. About to add a Ruger 77/44 to the stable. Talk about a light and handy 44 mag. Same size and perhaps a pinch heavier than a 10/22. Won't be the Tikka or the Marlins in the woods this fall. Good luck in the bush.

[@ernestrisiott7437]

Neither, whatever the 44m or the 30-30w can do, the 45/70 gov can do better in all situations!

[@HuntShootOffroad]

Except cost lol

[@HuntShootOffroad]

@@alfredangelici8294 are they just lead projectiles though?

[@125varma]

Man, 45-70 is a very slow and heavy bullet which means it make a small hole that goes through the animal with almost no hydraulic shock. The shock is what causes tissue damage and bleeding. If you want a deep hole with not much tissue damage, then you can go for a shotgun slug, it will do amazing job :D My opinion about 45-70 is it's an expensive gun and ammo. I would go for .460 or even a 44 mag, but not for a 45-70, I don't think it's worth it :)

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@125varma There's a lot more to the cause of death in big animals than simply hydraulic shock. There's a very large variety of projectiles in .458" that accomplish a wide variety of uses. Velocity in 45-70 doesn't have to be very dramatic because the momentum the bullet carries is devastating. Doesn't have to be moving fast but will plow on through a car. Similarly with a thick, tough animal, you need deep penetration and that requires bullet momentum. Lightweight lightning fast bullets terminate quickly. Heavy slugs moving slow are like a ship that rips up an entire harbor before coming to a stop. Making a transverse lung shot on a big animal, you want to punch a large hole entirely through to incapacitate the animal being able to continue filling the lungs. That's the most ethical and guaranteed placement. The limitation on 45-70 is tube capacity, compared to 357, 44, 45, etc. But you can buy the Marlin Model 1895CB and it holds 9 (long and heavy however).

[@505bandit]

LOL is that a old school weaver scope

[@HuntShootOffroad]

Haha yeah mate! 80s or older

[@millieatr]

Enjoyed your video, I have both of those rifles , except my 44 has octagon barrel Are the pigs you shoot good eating?

[@HuntShootOffroad]

In Queensland there is a lot of poisoning so we typically don't eat the pigs we shoot.

[@millieatr]

@@HuntShootOffroad Oh ok brother

[@HuntShootOffroad]

@@millieatr I'm looking forward to harvesting though! I've got access to a block with deer now.

[@millieatr]

@@HuntShootOffroad Sounds good , im gonna try and get a deer myself in November , my last deer was with the 336 marlin , I haven't hunted with my 44 marlin yet might try that this year

[@HuntShootOffroad]

@@millieatr sounds like a good plan! We can hunt deer all year round here, so it's just a matter of finding them.

[@drstrangelove4998]

A Winney 1894 in 30-30 is as light as a .44 Mag. A fair summary of pros and cons otherwise, cheers!

[@HuntShootOffroad]

Not familiar with the Winney.

[@brandonholsather2171]

I know for a fact both knock down deer quick. The 30 30 has more range then 44 magnum. The 44 magnum out rifles barrel is 100 yards gun the 30 30 is 150 yards gun.

[@luciankristov6436]

45/70 is the best. Cheap ammo and throws a sledge hammer down range with great accuracy. Thats just my take on lever guns

[@HuntShootOffroad]

They aren't real cheap in Aus. I'd get a 45-70 over a 30-30, well I did haha!

[@harrykalos8540]

45/70 Cheap ammo?? No mate

[@blademan6075]

The cost of 45-70 ammo varies from geographical location. In US it’s not too expensive but is definitely not cheap. Right now ammo is expensive everywhere though. 9mm isn’t even available in most places.

[@terryfowler6090]

30-30 has more foot pounds of energy at 100 yards than the .44 mag has at the muzzle😊

[@HuntShootOffroad]

@@terryfowler6090 good hand load can liven things up

[@sim8634]

Easy just get both... I got 44m with red dot and a 30-30 Mossberg lever with bushnell reddot… out to 100m the is no difference bettwen them in drop at all

[@HuntShootOffroad]

Except magazine capacity ;)

[@sim8634]

@@HuntShootOffroad yeah 10 is better than 6... but seeing as I carry either and the adler on gun rack on front of quad its drop one and grab the other if run out..

[@HuntShootOffroad]

@@sim8634 #adlerlife

[@sim8634]

@@HuntShootOffroad mine is great.. takes all the shit and keeps shooting... never had a problem with all my hand made reloads... and got a new buck kicker full ported choke to try... the boar buster is ok but patterns were just a touch not as good as standard full choke even with my loads with shotcup and buffer..

[@HuntShootOffroad]

@@sim8634 I found the boar blaster a little to tight to shoot of the back of the ute.

[@geohausleitner6076]

Is the 44 top eject?

[@HuntShootOffroad]

Marlins are side eject, Winchester are top eject.

[@geohausleitner6076]

Okay thank you! What do you think about. 357 for smal game?

[@HuntShootOffroad]

@@geohausleitner6076 yeah should be ok! Plus cheaper for target shooting!

[@roccoc.8425]

Had a win 94 trapper in .44 mag …shot a beaver with it ….. he swam away upset

[@HuntShootOffroad]

Is this my mate Rocco or another Rocco?

[@thegoodlife7390]

.44 Mag all the way! Most used rifle in my collection

[@gunsandgear2689]

Hey mate great video as always. Shot a marlin 45/70 the other night, good solid hitting gun. Should do a video on your spotlighting set up in the Ute, what light you run, mounts, and how you find best to shoot and spot out the cab. Thanks mate

[@HuntShootOffroad]

Yeah no worries, I might even have some of that already filmed, but really disjointed.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

44mag runs higher momentum on the projectile when you're talking about carrying force through tough tissue and bone.

[@HuntShootOffroad]

There has been some interesting research on wound channels actually. Pistols just don't do enough collateral damage. But the 44 mag doesn't really come under pistol calibre when reloaded. I definitely agree with you! Hence why it's my #1 choice!

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@HuntShootOffroad It's the angle at which someone wishes to approach application. 30-30 and 44mag are very similar in calculated energy. Very different in starting weight and velocity. I am not so concerned about having the flattest shooting trajectory because adjusting for bullet drop is a very simple process and shouldn't be a problem for most people. Gravitational pull is exactly the same on every projectile, so minimizing flight time provides for minimal drop and minimal rainbow trajectory. That's all well and good. But what happens upon impact is what I find most interesting. Usually a heavier and more blunt projectile carries greater momentum requiring less velocity. 44mag, 45Colt+p, 454 Casull, 475/480, 500, 45-70, etc all great examples of blunt, slow, big momentum stuff. The side benefit of pistol cartridges is the multi-use aspect. There are pistols in .30-30 and 45-70 but they are comically large and far less practical. But standard pistol cartridges down to 357mag really get a lot of help in carbine length barrels. So versatile.

[@theowenssailingdiary5239]

@@exothermal.sprocket momentum =mass x velocity. Can't have one without the other. But I agree, a 150gn needs to travel twice as fast as a 300gn to have the same momentum. When we talk energy though, velocity is king, as it's value is squared in the energy equation. Of course, then there is sectional density/penetration angle too.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@theowenssailingdiary5239 Velocity is king? I didn't think it was a struggle of kingdoms in physics. High velocity lightweight bullets can terminate their energy very quickly upon impact, making violent and shallow wounds. Low velocity heavy bullets can plow on through meat, organs, bones, hide, etc. and keep going. It's an important balance of factors to consider when choosing a handgun cartridge and particular load in that caliber. I have used the illustration of comparing a lightweight speedboat vs. a slow heavy barge. The speedboat will explode on impact and the barge will rip up the entire harbor before stopping. Of course physics doesn't care one iota about people trying to separate aspects of momentum, energy, velocity, trajectory. The earth doesn't care anything about the news media trying to say everything needs to be at an average global temperature of X. It's silly games we all play to quantify stuff.

[@northernninety7]

@@exothermal.sprocket Light rounds for humans. Heavy rounds for animals.

[@Mike-je1bg]

I have both! Both great guns for deer! I tend to favor the 44mag, in my opinion 2 of the best bush guns around!!!

[@HuntShootOffroad]

I think they have added safety over others too!

[@wadepederson8457]

240 grain XTP at 1850fps muzzle, is 900+lbs energy at 200 yrds and drops approximately 15.5 inches at 200yrds so it's a max of 200 yards capable not 100yrds and on the same level as the 3030, aim small good hunting.

[@HuntShootOffroad]

That's a lot of drop though

[@briancaldwell1798]

Got both and never!!! Had any problems cutting down brush to kill a deer!

[@HuntShootOffroad]

A 4 inch round tree saved a pig from me 😂 with a 308, nor site the 44 mag would have fared any better. The tree was felled and the pig ran away.

[@briancaldwell1798]

@@HuntShootOffroad 😂

[@badpossum440]

.303 will out perform both.

[@Jars1996]

What’s your point?

[@boedude8496]

yes but a totally different thing. 3006 > .303 is more relevant

[@HuntShootOffroad]

But you cant get a 303 in Lever action

[@ev3dale298]

$100 red dot is cheap? I've used $25 red dots that worked great and held zero. And you consider the C$ 3032 expensive? Wow. I'm not wanting to move to Australia any time soon. Can you even still own those firearms now? I've got both rifles. BTW, Hornady 160-G Leverevolution turns that 336 into a 250-yard gun, retaining 1004 foot-pounds at 250 yards with a drop of only 5.1 inches below a 172-yard zero line. It also produces a trajectory that rises to 2.4 inches above the 172-yard zero at 100 yards and only drops to 2.3 inches below the zero at 200 yards while retaining 1133 foot-pounds at that distance. So... Using the 160-grain nylon-tipped Leverevolution, there's no comparison. 44 mag just can't keep up.

[@HuntShootOffroad]

@@ev3dale298 that was a cheap red dot 20 years ago, button batteries are like $5 a pop in Australia, and not available everywhere

[@ev3dale298]

​@@HuntShootOffroad Those same red dots I've been using for ten years are now $14.79 with free shipping on Ebay here. CR2032s are $11.88 with free shipping on orders that total $35 and over. Wow.

[@joewayne9951]

Holy shit you aussies can have guns?/? Huh I thought for sure y’all lost all your guns to the government

[@jackwatkins7382]

I'm sorry but I was over halfway into the video and still nothing that I would consider that would evaluate the difference in the 44 and the 30-30 to say which rifle actually is the strongest.

[@HuntShootOffroad]

Magazine capacity, cost of ammo, range, deflection, none of that matters? Or did you want science and targets?

[@je2338]

Maybe watch the rest. Give the guy a break lol.

[@anton1949]

30-30 has as much power at 100 yds. as .44 mag has at its muzzle.

[@HuntShootOffroad]

I think you mean velocity.

[@anton1949]

@@HuntShootOffroad Nope, foot pounds of power. 30-30 is all over the 44 mag.

[@HuntShootOffroad]

@@anton1949 3030 @150gr 2150fps = 1540ft.lbs at the muzzle. 44mag @240gr 1700fps = 1540ft.lbs at the muzzle. Based on figures from Nosler #8. So the same "Power" at the muzzle. Please check your maths and come back.

[@Ron-Swanson]

Your math is not good

[@HuntShootOffroad]

Depends where you get the stats from mate.

[@heely69]

Good points on both rifles and im happy the 45-70 made an appearence! I just picked up the 1895 SBL today and some 325gr FTX boolits, still surprised how big the bore is on these firearms. I have a Marlin 30-30 limited edition and its very nice on deer, never shot a 44mag from a lever gun, perhaps thats where i will venture next! Keep up the good work blingbling.

[@HuntShootOffroad]

I just couldn't get the big loop it just didn't feel right and the stainless was just way to heavy. Have you checked out the midwest MLOK foregrip? Nice piece of kit!

[@heely69]

@@HuntShootOffroad fair enough, im loving the big loop it feels really nice to cycle it also feels nice and light being 18.5". Yeah i saw that rail but i think the fit and feel of the factory foreend is very comfy.

[@HuntShootOffroad]

@@heely69 I'm going to buy the rail later this year, I'm going to do a mad "modern" cowboy set up, complete with G10 pistol grips.

[@heely69]

@@HuntShootOffroad blingblingbubba!