Hello. I have been loading the Horn 200gr FTX (Smith 460 bullet). I have now shot 4 bucks with it in the last 4 years. All four dropped in their tracks, massive shock and have recovered 3 bullets of the 4 used. (Same results with the 460 when I was shooting it. I am now 78 and can’t grip the 460 like I used to. That is why I turned to the 450. Won’t list my loads but out of a 16” AR I am getting chronographed loads at 2600fps and 3000lbs of energy. Very loud and pretty high recoil. My area where I hunt is a very thick creek bed and my shots are limited to max 70yds, most are 35-50rds. Hunt in Southern Mi. I always thought the 250gr bullet was to heavy for thin skinned deer. Never recovered a bullet when using factory loads. They did not go far when hit but I did have to trail a few. I am getting to old for that anymore.
@30-06john16 күн бұрын
Sounds like a great hunting load! Merry Christmas!
@gregb.66822 ай бұрын
I hope the +p idea gets some traction. There are ways to prevent use in AR platforms and market it for bolt action guns only
@30-06john2 ай бұрын
Yeah, the 450B is capable of a lot more! Thanks for watching!
@RobertSmith-ub6tkАй бұрын
Bear Creek ballistics has 450 bushmaster doing 2600 ft./s with some of their solid copper bullet, you can only shoot it through a bolt action rifle
@30-06johnАй бұрын
Yep, those are nice! Thanks for watching!
@Dm8750912 күн бұрын
Longer cartridge means can't be used in some states. Increasing pressures like how the 4570 has been done i agree. For now a custom order gun is probable the only path forward. Would be cool to see how fast a 250 g or a 300 grain bullet could go
@30-06john11 күн бұрын
We need load data, similar to what is published for the 45/70 that has 3 different pressure levels! Thanks for watching!
@BrianFockler-m5xАй бұрын
You can get real close to 45 raptor specs.Built for a ar10 platform.450 was made for a ar15 platform.
@30-06johnАй бұрын
Yep, the 45 Raptor is a 65K psi cartridge, the 450 Bushmaster much lower. Thanks for watching!
@mckwilly7 ай бұрын
Very good, i have an AR and Ruger bolt action probably wont need em for bear but be neat to hear its limitations for the bolt action platform
@30-06john7 ай бұрын
Not sure what you mean by limitations. A bolt action in a .308 sized action can be loaded much higher pressure for the 450Bushmaster. Factory 250gr ammo is going about 2100 in a 16" barrel. Loaded to 50K-55K PSI, that would probably increase to 2500fps for a 250gr. Thanks for watching!
@mckwilly7 ай бұрын
@@30-06john just agreeing with what your video is about it'll be neat to see outside of saami what the 450 capable of
@johnwnuk506Ай бұрын
I'm running 190 grain lehi defense extreme defenders over 44 grains of ramshot enforcer. 22" barrel getting avg vel of 2665 fps . Amd I'm nowhere near max pressure. Shoots super flat out to 250 yards and is a great deer bullet.
@30-06johnАй бұрын
Sounds like a great load!
@edwarddonahey7 күн бұрын
Check out bear creek ballistics in Leroy Michigan. They push bullets in .450BM up to 2600fps in various weights. Makers Bullets, And Hammer Bullets are similar for bolt action rifles.
@30-06john7 күн бұрын
A friend uses Bear Creek Ballistics stuff, he loves it! Thanks for watching and Happy New Year!
@edwarddonahey6 күн бұрын
@ they just came out with the 200gr kill pills at 2600fps that work in ARs in August. They are so much flatter in trajectory than anything else available!! They absolutely kill whitetail deer at extended ranges.
@boozeandbullets20847 ай бұрын
good points
@30-06john7 ай бұрын
Thanks, and thanks for watching!
@weekendwarrior9171Ай бұрын
My problem is that I have a AR that wont cycle and its rifle length gas system, but have a SRC BCG its rated to be alot tougher than mil spec so I could go higher and still be under mil, let alone my bcg. Maybe then it will cycle.
@30-06johnАй бұрын
For the +P type loads, I was talking about bolt action rifles. For an AR type rifle, it might be the buffer spring and weight. I do not think just running higher pressure loads will correct a cycling problem. Thanks for watching!
@weekendwarrior9171Ай бұрын
@@30-06john Unfortunately tried all that, I was just making the argument that they could sell a little hotter loads for the AR as well since it seem the safety margin is quite high.
@coldsmoker9387Ай бұрын
If you want to shoot a bigbore out of a bolt action there is lots of options if you're man enough, shoulder up a 460 weatherby
@30-06johnАй бұрын
The point of this video is that the 450 Bushmaster, which is legal for hunting in straight wall case states, is being limited since it was designed for the AR-15 action. In a modern bolt action it can be loaded much hotter for hunters. Happy Thanksgiving!
@RichardMorse-h6r7 ай бұрын
Bear Creek Ballistics has the best factory load. A 240 grain bullet @ 2590 fps.
@30-06john7 ай бұрын
Yeah, I know that there are a couple of small ammo companies making +P loads, that one sounds impressive! Thanks for watching!
@cw2a7 ай бұрын
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@30-06john7 ай бұрын
Yep, we need this!
@cw2a7 ай бұрын
I like the FTX muzzle loader bullets from Midway. Ya can seat ling in Ruger American. I also resize the 330g Gould HP and send it @ 1700 fps. Its a thumper I was shooting mine today! I have a 260 Copper bullet loaded to 2350 fps. It can shoots MOA!!
@30-06john7 ай бұрын
Yeah, my Bear loads are +P, 300XTP Mag going 2050 fps, Barnes 275 going 2150 fps. I think there is room for more but I don't want to push it.
@theprfesssor3 ай бұрын
They need to make ranch type rifles for the big revolver cartridges imagine a nice handy rifle Chambered in .500 or .460 mag they will easily outperform any of the big bore AR cartridges For those who reload there are options such as 500 auto max or 45 raptor both absolute thumpers
@30-06john3 ай бұрын
The SAAMI specified pressure being so high is a problem, as is the rim. Of course Big Horn Armory does make lever guns in both cartridges! Thanks for watching!