Solve this case: Who Killed Kay Wenal? | Full Episode

Help solve a murder case: a former model brutally killed in her Georgia home. Someone out there knows something ... is it you? "48 Hours" correspondent Erin Moriarty investigates. Watch more full episodes of "48 Hours" on Pluto TV.
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[@mfi-cf7sp]

we can do without the “ritzy glitzy” Vegas style music.. it makes it seem cheesy and when you’re talking about someone’s life being taken away, you don’t need to add that corny big band or rat pack style music please and thank you

[@WarriorGirl_113]

in my humble opinion, the blood on the towel in the upstairs bathroom was the murderer wiping off the blade, and they put on a wig to disguise themselves before leaving.

[@scendyvale]

1a

[@bushbaby64]

​@@mfi-cf7spI totally agree. X

[@daphneweldnichols3846]

I love everything about this program!

[@RatherBookish]

Her staying home unexpectedly that day is the biggest clue. Her killer had to be someone close, to know she’d be home.

[@drewphillips2907]

Yes.

[@apebitmusic83]

Or she stayed home specifically TO meet someone

[@theresachung703]

@@apebitmusic83That thifuht did not occur to me but yes

[@dalyand5944]

Or he was just following her and noticed she was home.

[@SandraBradshaw-ps2jf]

​@@apebitmusic8300 Sz

[@wyldflwr]

Hal wanted to keep the house like it was the last time she was in it. What he did isn't any different than a parent who leaves a deceased child's room the same. It's like changing it would erase their essence, the last vestiges of their life.

[@MsMoniqueLynn]

Or he gets off on the power when seeing it because he killed her

[@mysunsetglasses]

If he had cleaned it all up, they would've been suspicious about that too 🤦🤷

[@SidewaysInTraffic]

Yup, my wife's ex-boyfriend's sister had passed away at 13 and they left her room the same for over 12 years.

[@craigime]

@@MsMoniqueLynn and your evidence for this is?

[@wyldflwr]

@@SidewaysInTraffic A lot of the parents in these true crime shows do the same thing. Whatever it takes to help their grieving process...

[@jamesmaguire9518]

I think that letter was complete BS. There’s no way a killer would put suspicion on himself by admitting he was an ex lover that killed her

[@ceilconstante640]

To Throw the police off the real killer.

[@BunnySlippers82]

It's as if the letter sender wanted to make Kay look like a wh ore. Perhaps it was a jealous woman who knew about Kay's life and past and was jealous of her. Whoever killed Kay might have been a professional due to the lack of evidence.

[@eraldadevole]

First thing I thought when they were reading it how felt like a woman wrote it

[@ceilconstante640]

@@BunnySlippers82 I think they should look into her best friend Karen again. To see if she was also involved in BDSM. Kay had to have some kind of connection to a swingers club or something.

[@BunnySlippers82]

@@ceilconstante640 I completely agree, they do need to look into her friend. Something is not right, and even that former assistant of Kay's husband said that Karen spoke badly of Kay behind her back.

[@st4849]

She was supposed to leave for work, but suddenly "became ill". Then she opened the door to someone she knew. ..and the person knew she'd "become ill" and stay at home. Sounds like it was supposed to be a secret they'd meet.

[@kat-75]

Could have been an electronic or phone stalker!

[@huskyjerk]

I think your scenario contains the answer. That was the person who killed her.

[@mightymouse1005]

Maybe a family member or someone close that knew she was home. Where was her car? Visable or garage. Could she have called someone?

[@randallsmerna384]

​@@kat-75 Who would let in an internet or phone stalker? Come on use your head.

[@e3mel5eer83]

Could have been a neighbor that saw her car still there and went in, a stalker, someone that knew she was at home?

[@WildAscension]

I’m so impressed that her husband tried so hard. He probably died of a broken heart.

[@sirvilhelmofyonderland]

Kay wasn’t faithful. At all.

[@VioletJoy]

​@sirvilhelmofyanderland1902 There was no evidence that she was having an affair at that time, though. That also doesn't mean that he didn't deeply love her.

[@EzraCubas]

@@sirvilhelmofyonderland doesn't seem so

[@mamiesews123]

OmG he had her killed..not sorry

[@beastiekat4562]

@MW-eg3bn What's so horrible about a man being a simp for someone? not a thing.

[@SpiritLedLisa]

Oh how i wish the dead could talk or give some kind of clues. Unsolved cases are beyond frustrating

[@supertrucker99]

They always do u gatta recognize the clue

[@lex1216]

I'll come to light sometime it always does

[@-Ennui-]

The husband paid for all the extra testing and investigations. He kept the house as a shrine to her because it was the last place she was alive and he couldn't let her go. Psychologically these are not the acts of someone who is the killer. He really couldn't let her go. He even left the drops of her blood uncleaned. Maybe he hoped that if any future investigations needed to be done, if he kept everything the same, they could see the crime scene preserved.

[@cannablissdreams]

no.. that's NOT how NORMAL people react to a house where a BRUTAL homicide of a loved one occurred.. his behavior was irregular.. ESPECIALLY since it was a rental!! (29:23) who stays in a RENTAL where your SPOUSE was brutally murdered?? makes ZERO sense

[@ASAMB12]

I agree. He probably wanted to preserve the crime scene for as long as he could, in case investigators ever needed to reference it again. He was obsessed with finding the truth.

[@QueenSugar72]

​@@cannablissdreamstotally agree. He wasn't happy about all the affairs and was sick of it

[@MsMoniqueLynn]

No he’s getting off on all of it that’s why and that money isn’t a lot considering how much he’s saved by having her dead. Also it didn’t matter how much money he put up for an award because he KNEW no one would claim it because HE did it.

[@Roy-w2o3f]

​@@MsMoniqueLynnhe not only put up money for award in finding her..But he finance alot of the DNA researching...Why would he do that?!...

[@ashley-journeyreign8178]

Why wouldn’t they get the footage from the post office for around the days the letter was mailed???

[@lex1216]

Word

[@deniseoates7147]

right there! That was in my comment if you can find it and I pointed out some other things. There is no screen door, once she opens the door to a stranger he was in. People open doors to strangers in those type of neighborhoods because they are trusting that it does not happen here. It was the husband and a hired hand, and he left the payment upstairs for the person to get because they could never meet nor show a transaction (only explanation why the person went up there). I explain more in depth in my comment why I felt it was him. He was smiley and grinning before he was seated on police camera and the paste letter was so 1970s or later. She was not having sex (hubby could not perform), an unused vagina is easily spotted by medical, she was an older woman, and she looked like an older woman. This video kept changing up photos from paste photos of her during younger times and anything recent could been glam shoot for her husband.

[@Ania-cd2sh]

It didn’t need to be sent from the post office tho? It could be set in ur mailbox and a lot of other drop off sites. I forgot the last time I went to the post office to send a letter out. Just dropped it off at any mailbox on the street

[@jenniferjones6976]

My question is, was the investigation taken to the post office where the letter was mailed from? And do they have surveillance cameras?

[@jessebrettjames]

I thought this originally as well, however, the letter could have been posted from any local box. This person importantly has the same avoidance of detection abilities as the killer. They may quite plausibly be one in the same.

[@leahstone9308]

The estate stopped paying for the investigation to continue as soon as he died. Whoever is running the estate/his beneficiary would know how desperately he wanted to bring her killer to justice, but his wishes were not carried out after his death. Who is in charge of the estate? Who is his beneficiary? This seems like an incredibly obvious course of investigation, and I don’t know why it was left out of this video. A typical first question people always ask (and rightfully so) is who stood to benefit from the victim’s demise?

[@mtaylor7307]

Rewards are often not cash values but insurance policies purchased to pay in the event a tip verifies according to the policy.

[@steveknick1978]

His children were likely grown & had little or no connection to Kay. They may even resent her for bringing some portion of this drama into Hal’s life, & him dying just 2 years later. Are they really going to take their portion of the inheritance - which was already reduced by money Hal spent on the investigation- & continue to put more money toward it? Of course not.

[@mrsx7944]

It's not unusual that his children stopped paying for the investigation. Why would they?? She wasn't their family.

[@ginagray603]

I wonder if he had a bitter ex-wife?

[@deniseoates7147]

Did Hal not have life insurance on his wife? I feel he was the culprit in his wife lose of life. I made a whole comment why I came to this conclusion.

[@24CiViC]

What about Kay’s husband’s family? The letter sounds judgmental, the reward and investigators were fired after Hal died. I just wonder if someone on his side of the family disapproved of Kay and wanted her gone.

[@WatchTashi]

Exactly. Who was the executor of the estate.

[@lilyj-nm1ii]

Agree! Why in this video, no one talks about the husband' s family members and provide any information about them?

[@colettegibson6516]

Follow the money usually garners results.....

[@barbieblue3336]

Does he have a son?

[@margaretfiester3689]

That's what I thought too.

[@leslielutz6140]

I think the key lies in what the killer did after he killed her. The steps he took around the house. Up the stairs and into her closet and who knows where else. He was looking for something otherwise why bother. Get out. This is why he didn't use a gun. Someone always hears the gun shot. He was very stealth and professional in my opinion.

[@chewsday5760]

Yeah that bothers me. Did the assailant went upstairs just to wipe some blood? That's weird because the attack took place in the kitchen area, there should be some kind of wipe or cloth there, or maybe use the sink if he wanted to do a little cleanup.

[@semperfidelification]

Professional would have a silencer for their gun

[@JaneDoe-tr5xy]

He had to retrace his steps to get something he left in the bedroom ~ wink wink

[@patriciaterrell7509]

No a woman that hated her wanted to go look in her closet

[@CrustyUgg]

Not always!

[@screamqueen1946]

one thing that’s not suspicious to me is the husband wanting to keep the house exactly how it was (including the blood) AND stay there. grief is weird & sometimes we hold onto any tiny little piece that was from them when they were alive, even her blood. that actually made me really sad for him to hear he hates going home, but won’t leave that house 😭 he prob felt like it was betrayal to leave “her” (in spirit) there alone.

[@boathousejoed1126]

Either that or by keeping it a crime scene he could say to himself "bye-bye bitc@" every day.

[@steveknick1978]

He was elderly & 2 years away from dying of a heart attack. So he probably doesn’t feel great physically, & then you add a massive pile of grief on top of that. Not sure why anyone is suspicious of him not changing things or cleaning every last drop of blood up…maybe his eyesight wasn’t even good enough to see the blood drops.

[@pizzakrydder2515]

It reminded me of a recent epsiode of Dateline, the one with the bicyclist who was murdered in her friend's home. The friend found her and gave CPR. She said that when she cleaned the blood off her hands she felt absolutely awful, because the blood was all she had left of her friend. A few of those investigators on this 48 Hours ep seems to lack an understanding of human nature..

[@MomOf5inIN]

Couple things I felt needed expounded on in this episode was why the estate halted the investigation and withdrew the reward money. Who was in charge of the estate? Lawyers? Family members? What was the reasoning? Second was the autopsy report. They stated how she died, that it was a sharp force instrument and how they think her throat was slashed, but is that from the report? The coroner would be able to tell which side it started from and where it ended. As far as those that are suspect in my mind: Firstly, the "best" friend. She had the most to gain and I feel she wanted Hal and wanted Kay's life. The letter may have been a red herring, but if I had to pick an author, it would be her. A man wouldn't mention the house. The friend had money issues of which Hal was constantly bailing her out of. I could see her getting angry with Kay for shirking what Hal provided her and being grateful, instead complaining about it. She resonated with me the most as far as sus. The second would be the identity of the man in the photo, who age progressed, could be the man in the sketch. Not that he's sus, it seems a strange coincidence that needs sorted out. Just my thoughts though. I hope they solve it for her sister's sake. I can't imagine living with a situation like this... not knowing.

[@craigime]

1. that doesn't need to be expounded on... unless he specifically put in his will that he wanted to continue funding the investigation, the estate has no obligation to continue. 2. the coroner isn't necessarily gonna be able to tell which side the cut started from

[@Desantisgogoboots]

@@craigime They discussed that the autopsy showed where the cut started and ended, which is why they think the killer is right handed.

[@BrittanyCollins10]

My thoughts exactly! It would be his dying wish. He wanted it solved no matter the costs. Someone got the rest of his estate .

[@richardernsberger5692]

@@BrittanyCollins10 Did he have children? It's not mentioned, but if he did they would have been from a previous marriage and so not the victim's children, and therefore they wouldn't want to make a big payout and may not have all that much interest in solving the crime.

[@ItCantRainForever2]

​@@craigimethey said they slit her neck from left to right since they were right handed.

[@jenneth6587]

Sounds like a hit for hire. Only professional killers know how to hit that way. She was so beautiful. This is heartbreaking😢

[@mohammaddavoudian7897]

Sorry but it was not a hit as you put it.

[@RobbieAmerican]

​@@mohammaddavoudian7897It may have been. No DNA, no fingerprints or footprints, no hair fibers, etc Sounds very professional.

[@SheriLynNut]

Why would a hit man go upstairs and leave a bloody towel in her closet tho?

[@KDMeowmmy]

@@SheriLynNut Because he can.

[@Razormiller]

The letter is obviously total bogus. It does seems like someone was getting investigated and tried to mislead the detectives with that letter.

[@nellyb2434]

I don't like to blame a d*ad husband and I of course might be wrong, but, the things that were said in that letter were almost like things she may have actually said to him in an argument for example, like, she hated the house, her 'old fat' husband or something along those lines. 'She told me'....I don't know, that letter pointed to him imo. He dissed himself by saying what she had said to him..and also she had been cheating. 'She only wanted him for the money'. I think it's him, angry and hurt by how she made him feel and I wonder if his right hand woman 'made' the letter.

[@elainer946]

The letter makes me think a female composed it because of the reference to Kay "hating" her house. Generally, I think a man would not mention that , especially after all the "lies'& love" etc.

[@nellyb2434]

Unless Kay threw that at him in arguments? She hated the house, he was old and fat....he felt she only married him then for his money. I think Karen helped him with the letter.

[@megbeg759]

I think it was the husband

[@interestingvideos4me]

Follow the money…I believe the person who benefited was the blonde woman who was her husband’s “right hand man”. She comes across as someone with a lot to hide, motive, and awareness of Kay’s schedule. That is the way forward.

[@Soothsayer937]

Always follow the money. Who had the most to gain?

[@genkiferal7178]

that woman might be having an affair with Kay's husband

[@susang9499]

Exactly my thoughts as well.

[@kalel311superman9]

well said

[@laurariley7071]

My thoughts exactly

[@elliotjacobs3357]

Y'all the instruments and sound effects, I can't 😂

[@veronmae7990]

I was so llooking forward for this to be solved😢

[@22vx]

48 Hours is my favorite true crime series👌

[@davidb2206]

Forensic Files. They have solved murders off of a TREE DNA!

[@jgunn03]

I'm addicted.

[@meowMix03]

Why am I addicted to 48 2020 & dateline. Wish there were more episodes. Lots more

[@pilotswife06]

I feel like they suspected Hal, and anything that poor man did was viewed as suspicious. If he’d had the house cleaned, they’d question why he was erasing evidence. He left it as a living tomb, and they are suspicious as to why he didn’t clean it.

[@Douglas_Hamilton]

But leaving the bloodstains left is just morbid. Nobody would've blamed him for cleaning that off yet he never did. Very very strange...

[@JanetteFay]

@@Douglas_Hamiltonit’s not strange at all!! Hal was beside his self with grieve!!! Holy Cow!!

[@danielaharcarufkova]

​@@JanetteFayThere was not one sign of grief during interview.

[@JanetteFay]

@@danielaharcarufkova Oh Sorry 😐 l didn’t see that! Till l watched it a second time! Yes True there was no grief! But it wasn’t long before he followed his wife, from a heart attack! 🤔 from all the stress l think?

[@jgunn03]

@@danielaharcarufkova I agree. He did it. If he was aq woman, the comments here would be totally different. Heck, the narrative in this video would be 100% different. All fingers would point to the wife.

[@jmb1666]

It's weird they keep saying how financially well-off he was...but he was renting the house. And it's not really that spectacular of a house.

[@HurricaneWV]

Patterns have shown that men do the cut out letter notes also

[@Nostalgic_1]

Who took control of the estate once Hal passed away? They sure cut off the finances for the reward and the private investigators. Maybe they wanted Kay out of the way before Hal passed away and she messed up them getting control of the estate?

[@ItCantRainForever2]

No not necessarily. It could be that they weren't fond of Kay and could care less who murdered her. Selfish people out there.

[@Irunwithscissors63]

@@ItCantRainForever2yes. Kay Wenal was indeed selfish. Why would people, who aren’t related to her, waste their inheritance finding who killed her?

[@ItCantRainForever2]

@@Irunwithscissors63 exactly it's common sense to me

[@Irunwithscissors63]

@@ItCantRainForever2 it seems to be lost on the opening commenter whom, I’m sure, would spend every last cent of any inheritance on finding the killer of the dead wife of their dead relative 😂

[@lynnelimehouse9128]

I feel like if that were the case they might have potentially then taken and sold her jewelry?

[@XCookieEaterX]

These are one of the reasons I want to be a detective one day. Cases like this. I feel horrible for her family, especially her sister and husband. Justice hasn't come for them yet and it's a pain to think about. I want to be able to be the kind of person to help solve cases like this. Cold cases, no matter how long it's been, no matter if the murderer or the family is dead. Justice is something that should be given to the victim either way. The world has to know who the horrible person is so they would have a horrible image even in their death.

[@cannablissdreams]

you sound sweet.. but.. the cold reality is.. these are RICH whyte people.. rules don't apply to them.. you're gonna find out REAL quick that some crimes they WANT left unsolved.. irrespective of their APPEARANCE to care.. the money is always the goal.. the money dried up.. so.. those detectives stopped giving a damn.. because they never cared to begin with.. they were motivated by Hal's money.. NOT motivated to SOLVE the crime.. think about it.. FOUR "professionals" sitting at that table and.. collectively.. they couldn't find their way out of a paper bag!! the ineptitude at that table is astounding!! OR is it that they simply DGAF now that the money stopped flowing like water from Hal's vulnerability?

[@sadlad2005]

You sound like a totally decent human being, and I sincerely hope you reach your goals and DO become a successful detective one day... May you have strength, courage, dignity and a wealth of wisdom in your work you are dedicated to doing. So refreshing to hear what your dream is, compared to all the negativity going around.

[@XCookieEaterX]

@@cannablissdreams That reality is very harsh but also one of the reasons I want to become a detective. I want to help the people that others rejected or given up on. It may and could be very dangerous but taking a big risk is a big part of it and I'm willing to take it to help others. It is really sad how people can get driven by money.

[@XCookieEaterX]

@@sadlad2005 Thank you so much, your comment made me smile. Not many people say that to me and it's a big impact, I wish for your happiness and success too! ❤❤

[@suzymoroka297]

@@cannablissdreamsyou make some interesting points

[@StassiG-sf3on]

The very first time a crime scene is investigated can make or break the outcome of the whole case. I have seen so many cases lately where evidence, people and witnesses have not been properly investigated, making it nearly impossible to solve. I have a feeling this is one of those cases

[@ali143penina]

The way that the sister laughed at Karen Scott “She was my Best Friend”… & then Karen not want to interview for her BEST FRIEND … Right Karen! We know you did it !!!!!!

[@Daria_Es]

Nobody knows who did it!! As you could see in the movie, the sister didn't know a lot of things about what K was doing and who she was close friends with.

[@southernmom1506]

Have they thought about checking the piece of glove for DNA and using familial DNA to find someone they're related to? I think that may be the only way to solve the case. It perked me up watching this story when they told about the cut and paste letter was mailed from Augusta, GA because that's where I live. I sure hope they solve this case. I felt so bad for her husband and the fact he left the house like it was. I think he left it like that because it was her there as creepy as it may sound to others. He was so heartbroken I don't believe he had anything to do with it but I think that woman claiming to be her best friend definitely could have. The thing she had to gain was Hal. I think she wanted Kay's life. I believe she didn't think Kay deserved Hal.

[@craigime]

what piece of glove?

[@jaycole5353]

The person had to have left something somewhere

[@jaycole5353]

​@craigime The rubber glove piece they left. Probably a finger piece

[@kristyhines7443]

As soon as they mentioned they found pieces of a latex glove, I thought the same thing. They didn’t say anything about testing it for DNA.

[@infinitefiresflyinghigh7294]

What is this for investigation? What type of glove, what size of glove, what type of dna was in there?

[@betsy1947]

I still don't discount Hal hiring someone to do it.

[@awillis244]

But he or her sister did it-expect the unexpected.

[@bamin93]

i’m not buying that the husband was not involved 🧐

[@George39gmail.]

Hi bamin🌹 How are you doing?

[@surpriseimblack]

Exactly

[@surpriseimblack]

She literally changed her plans at the last minute. Not only that but the perpetrator had to be EXTREMELY comfortable in the home..

[@suesuepake6002]

The composite sketch looks a little too much like the guy sitting next to her in the picture that was found. This guy needs to be identified and interviewed. It’s possible she was being stalked. Stalkers use things like car trackers, spyware cameras and listening devices. Tapping into your cellphone.?I had a stalker who did all of those things.

[@robertelliot4196]

He ripped off a lot of wealthy people, and one of them was angry enough to take from him what he most loved. The hired assassin is utterly cold-blooded, seems to enjoy his work. It will never be solved. Too many suspects.

[@craigime]

assumption

[@DaRkHoRsE-_-]

Good point

[@PinkGrammarGirl]

She wasn't supposed to be home. How would the killer know that?

[@maryanne7161]

​@@PinkGrammarGirlHe was seen in that area the day before as well.

[@alteredcatscyprus]

But how did they know she stayed home that day?

[@ShannonsJourney]

Have they tried to test if there was any DNA inside the glove pieces? I also absolutely think a woman could have done this brutal crime.

[@mrsx7944]

I'm sure they did.

[@laurariley7071]

Rest In peace Al and Kay. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@Carolyn-d5p]

I think she was expecting someone that morning. I hope they find out who did this awful crime.

[@enterprisemarinerv2608]

Apparently, there were no surveillance cameras available around the house. What about surrounding areas? Nothing?

[@ms_needle]

Yeah esp rich ppl usually have a surveillance camera installed on their house that might have caught vehicles or ppl on the street etc

[@alexandria65]

This was back in 2008.

[@litlbrit717]

@@ms_needlethey rented the house and it was 2008

[@AlexAndra-iy5zu]

My mother was removed by ambulance 11/2020 She passed away December 6 from Covid. The house remains exactly the same. I now live with my father because he needs medical attention and I’ve yet to do anything to the property because I want my dad to live in a house that he and Mom lived in . Why in the world would I change the house around it’s what is comfortable to Dad. So that part I don’t understand?? I guess everyone’s different

[@milmomterry]

So sad they haven’t solved this case. I pray the family gets justice for this beautiful lady.

[@orionxtc1119]

Having so many affairs is inviting trouble

[@Bigboro]

@@orionxtc1119And fun at same time 😅

[@meleasepolete7509]

Regardless These should not happened too her.

[@meleasepolete7509]

Super sad She could had make patient mad In here CARREE as a nurse.

[@pizzaearthpancakesandother2549]

I pray to. It's also sad that Hal was getting "slippery seconds" if you follow

[@milkshake1993]

A multi millionaire real estate developer renting a house? What?

[@efranklin755]

It seems so obvious to me that the husband Hal kill3d her. That letter sealed it for me, reminds me of a movie where the suspect sent a letter bashing himself & the victim to divert attention. Hal planned the perfect murd3r; putting up reward money, hiring detectives, holding on to the house/ her things…all a ploy to look like a distraught & devastated husband. We’ve seen it before. He may have experienced guilt afterwards which could explain some of his actions but I personally think it was all an act. He could’ve been obsessed with her, tired of her cheating, fetishes, or it could’ve been as simple as a fight leading him to hiring someone.

[@asmichi8516]

I was just scrolling through the comments and looking for this, thank you! isn't it super obvious? Like, from the very first moment

[@Yui789esss]

@@asmichi8516I agree, I watched hundreds of forensics and suspicious letters always come from the spouse or family members, from the top of my head miriam helmick Brian hummert Christopher Porco Chris Coleman were all convicted and had sent letters to their victims to get suspicion off them …. The husband will be most likely or one of her siblings

[@sbiheanachor4646]

Q1. Are the investigators saying because a cell phone is at home a person must be at home? Not true.

[@nancyann1014]

To her sister: Please don't give up. ❤❤❤❤

[@brittanymitchell6948]

I’m not sure how this case will be solved but I have feeling it will be. So strange

[@sammychem5920]

They should have examined Hal more closely. Did he benefit financially from her death (e.g. was she an over spender, did he collect insurance $, was she controlling of how he ran his business, did she keep a tab on how he spent his $, etc?). His smiling demeanor at 12:50, is quite strange. Only a person very close to her would have known that she was sick that day and acted quickly. Only a person well aquainted with that house could have pulled it off without leaving evidence.

[@bischnou]

I also thought it was odd how he smiling the police interview.

[@541pew]

This is my grandma. What an insane time these years were.

[@laurariley7071]

I am so sorry for your loss

[@clannadgirl46]

I am also sorry! 😢❤

[@AmandaQuincey-xy2kn]

Who do you believe it was?

[@iwonawalaszek3029]

😢

[@OikPoinFive]

wayt, what? who did it?

[@gulserocak]

I think he kept the place the same for law enforcement in case some day they needed to investigate some evidence…

[@VictoriaMarch13]

I feel like if Hal was really involved he would've immediately cleaned up the blood. The fact that he didn't and left everything exactly the same makes me think he was completely innocent.

[@nellyb2434]

Don't you think he'd look more suspicious if there was no blood??

[@pjnix5618]

You feel that way ?!! lol Obviously not how HAL felt.

[@steveknick1978]

Feels like there’s no hope with this one, have seen this episode multiple times over the years. It was definitely personal & violent…comes across like it could be a paid hit, but it’s too violent & personal for the killer to not have a grudge with her specifically. Maybe she was having an affair that turned sour & the other man did it. If there were doorbell cameras back then & they got his car on video, they probably would've solved it. EDIT: after finishing watching it again, I only have 2 theories: 1 - recent affair gone sour, or ex boyfriend from distant past carried out a long held grudge 2 - Karen hired a hit, hitman didn't have access to a gun so he used a knife, Karen didn't benefit financially afterward like she thought she would. #1 explains the violent nature of the crime only #2... - also explains the violent nature - explains the profiler saying that a female sent the magazine letter - explains the letter trying to redirect cops focus to an affair as the motive - explains Karen constantly checking with the police for case progress - explains Karen calling Hal away from the house the morning of the crime - explains Kay's autopsy showing no recent intimate activity (no affair).

[@kimlarso]

Not if ur paid to make it look that way

[@aruglaempire2518]

@@bobzelley5100 Who has the money for this calibre hired killer? Not any physical evidence left. Hubby had money and maybe other past hook-ups did as well.

[@AlexAndra-iy5zu]

The info says no vehicle 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@steveknick1978]

@@AlexAndra-iy5zu Right, he was canvassing the neighborhood on foot. Still, he had to have a vehicle somewhere, even if it was outside the neighborhood (unless he rode a bike or took a bus).

[@cannablissdreams]

​@@steveknick1978there are NO busses in RICH whyte neighborhoods!! come on now..

[@bonniecreighton4163]

She decided to stay home that day. Why? Was she expecting someone she knew to come to the house? In regard to her "secret life" (based on what they found in her wardrobe)...when and for whom was she role playing using that wardrobe? Was she part of a "swingers club" (without Hal?), Where did she play out her fantasies wearing those items? Private homes? Private Clubs? With someone in her own home? A one hour portrayal of a case like this is of course never going to be enough time to explore all the questions still unanswered in addition to the ones continuing to be asked. My heart goes out to her sister and I pray the day comes when whoever did this is caught and brought to justice.

[@Momo-nz7xe]

I believe the husband is the scorned lover here and he probably found out that she was cheating on him or told him she was going to leave him and he had her killed. The note was most probably made by the best friend because she gained a lot from her death. Unfortunately her husband did a great job in throwing off investigators by his involvement in the investigation himself.

[@lelemurray5320]

Yea I absolutely agree. The husband killed her.

[@survivorship4290]

I'm thinking along the SAME lines

[@lena_muravei]

The fact that it was done with a sharp object doesnt mean it wasnt for hire. It just means that whoever ordered it really hated her and maybe wanted it specifically that way

[@chrismanspeaker9372]

If I hated her, why would I use a nice sharp knife? Why not use a rusty spoon?

[@maryanne7161]

​@@chrismanspeaker9372Would the rusty spoon hurt more?

[@RobbieAmerican]

​@@maryanne7161definitely! You'd have to saw!

[@theylied1776]

As a long-time member of the Baker Street Irregulars, I don't trust anyone named Moriarty.

[@LeahHa8]

😂

[@patriciabradford4067]

If they were so wealthy, why renting? Why renting a house she didn’t like? The financial aspect doesn’t make sense.

[@ridgequinn9435]

My intuition is the husband. Paid in cash a professional. Could have told her another business friend or someone was coming over, perhaps why she let them in. He put up the money because he had money and if he hadnt, immediate suspicion would be on him. Maybe the wife was greedy or unappreciative?? Maybe he figured she'd leave him because she was unhappy with the house and she had history of cheating. Maybe he wasnt satisfying her. Idk this is speculation of course. The note could've been sent by the hired hitman. Definitely another guy. Less likely to blab to others(sorry) and because the overpowering strength. It's almost always the husband. He was a cool cucumber though as most successful business men are. Not their first rodeo. Obviously has no problem lying about financial stuff. Not that im the judge. Just my opinion. Take it or leave it.

[@crishuez]

Trauma makes people do some strange things. It doesn't make them murderers

[@maryanne7161]

What trauma?

[@joeking433]

48 Hours is great on KZbin!

[@iot577]

Erin Moriarty..a very irish name! Great presenter, greetings from Ireland 🇮🇪

[@antisocialmermaid]

I think it was the husband

[@teresacatherine3811]

This may be far fetched, but could the husband have done it because he was having an affair with Karen and all his and her actions afterward were to make it seem like he was the grieving husband and she the sorrowful best friend? The fact of the towel with blood on it upstairs seems to say this person knew where things were and they didn't make a mess in the house? I don't want to believe that he was the perpetrator but stranger things have happened.

[@nellyb2434]

He's my no 1 suspect but I'm not sure he was having an affair but I might be wrong. I think she may have said those things in the letter in arguments maybe...like he was 'old and fat' and he felt she only married him for his money. She had also been cheating. I think he put the hurt in the letter and also it deflected from him. I think he hired private detectives to make it look like he wanted answers but he felt confident enough they wouldn't find any. I think Karen helped him and possibly 'made' the letter.

[@mightymouse1005]

Why would he keep the house the same, spend tons of money on solving it and no signs of his having a relationship. People talk, if a neighbor or friend, coworkers thought he was having a relationship, they would talk

[@nellyb2434]

@@mightymouse1005 I'm not convinced he was having an affair, but I think she had affairs and of course this is just a theory, but if others knew she hated her house and this appeared in the letter - well that was a bit of an alarm bell to me. I wondered if she threw it at him in arguments and perhaps called him the names that were in the letter..and that she was only with him for the money sounds like he could be feeling that way...he felt that that's the only reason she was with him. I thought he might have had enough of feeling used and verbally ab*sed. I think anyone would spend money on a PI to make it look like they didn't do it if it meant they stayed out of jail and they had the money to spare! As I said, just a theory, but the letter felt a bit odd to me and I thought perhaps Karen might have helped him out with that part.

[@justlyfaith3454]

I feel bad that the killing of Kay exposed her “private side” to the world also. Hope justice is found.

[@jenniferlawrence9473]

But it's her private life that might have put her in danger. It's a necessary part of the story, but yeah, I know what you mean.

[@justlyfaith3454]

@@jenniferlawrence9473 so true embarrassing but true.

[@SassySmith-gf5bq]

@@jenniferlawrence9473 foreal

[@laurahoward5426]

Her private life got her killed

[@BigBadBrains]

So, basically, they were swingers, and one of her "friends" turned out to be a jealous creep and a monster. I really feel bad for Hal, too. Because of their lifestyle choices, few people likely understood how much they loved each other, or why their marraige was so successful. He seemed devastated to me.

[@lindas5964]

Yeah I got a weird feeling they were swingers when the husband said “line 30 guys up and they would all fall in love with her”.

[@malibudolphin3109]

You have a strange idea of successful marriage

[@Desantisgogoboots]

The autopsy didn't show any recent sexual activity though and no digital/online footprints that would show this was true.

[@PinkGrammarGirl]

@@Desantisgogoboots How recent is recent in a search of the body? She may have been rebuffing one who was too close and he knew she was home and came over the argue with her.

[@MrPocketfullOfSteel]

@@lindas5964 *lol* Me too. "Line em' up!" Indeed!!!

[@linedanzer4302]

@ 41:09 Dude in the suit never let the other guy speak. Why did they even bother to sit him there to stand mute if the other guy was going to do *all* of the talking?

[@JodyFidelis]

Her husband was trying to pin it on the ex-husband. But Hal is clearly involved - I think he hired someone, and had the hitman ready to do it when she would be home alone. Very few people knew she would be home alone that afternoon. The cut-out letter supports Hal's theory that it was the ex hubby - yet I think Hal glued those letters and mailed it from Augusta. WHY? He disparaged himself (fat and old), he knew she didn't like their house (how many would know that??) he knew she was married before to the "jilted" ex hubby who wrote about it. Hal AGAIN is accusing her ex-husband, but the letter is a RED HERRING written and mailed by Hal. JMO. I also think Hal's conscious bothered him afterward, and he died 2 years later from guilt.

[@helena3631]

i agree the husband has the money to get kay taken care of she was embarassing him cheating this was his get back

[@cereslight219]

If it were a robbery, I think the person would not have taken traceable items. Was there any money found in the house, or was any known missing? It was said jewelry and credit cards where there, both traceable. Could someone familiar with her known if she kept large amounts of cash that was accessible? Possibly in the closet in her room?

[@angelicavasquez3870]

It’s obvious to me whoever was his beneficiary did it. Does he have kids? They probably didn’t want her to get their money.

[@LaMostraVia]

Good theory 🏆

[@moniqueloomis9772]

​@@LaMostraViaThanks, Goku.

[@T4KE_A_BREATH]

The letter is giving Scorned Woman! Mentioning of the family and the house, the fact that Kay clearly got around, and all men were allegedly so in love with her, the amount of blood found in the home and the personal and savagery of the attack is giving a woman did this.. maybe the wife of one of the men she was screwing… I hope they find the person…

[@palehorse6250]

Clue 1: Perpetrator knew her, was comfortable in the home, not afraid of being caught. 2: Was aware that she was home unexpectedly that day, not her usual plan. Possibly they spoke with her and convinced her they had to meet that day and she skipped work so they could meet. 3. Her ex-husband was trying to meet up with her, and was super angry that she wouldn't meet him. Would she have taken the day off to meet him to appease him? Was he so mad that he punched her as soon as he walked in the door? The letter: The language is important to identifying the writer; who thinks of her as a gold digger, and who in her circle uses the term 'white trash'? Who would say that? It could be someone trying to appear as though the husband wrote the letter. Whoever wrote it, they either have a lot of magazines around, or they went on a magazine shopping spree before creating the letter. And, anger at her family, blaming them for the end of the relationship with Kay. That could definitely suggest the ex. Definitely suggest a history, with her and her family. That's someone with a longer relationship with her.

[@surpriseimblack]

It was Hal

[@maryanne7161]

​@@surpriseimblackMaybe Hal and Karen were having an affair?

[@AislinnM10]

This is 20 minutes from my home and this is terrifying. How have I never heard of this

[@jamesmattingly6089]

It’s mind blowing there isn’t cameras on the same street that could’ve caught something. Crazy.

[@Honey-Hush]

Cameras still weren't very popular in 2008 like they are today.

[@loribrooks202]

My husband grew up in Lawrenceville since he was 8. Went to collins hill high school. We lived there at the time of this. We got married at our Lawrenceville house in 2005. We left that area around 2017. Gwinnett was just getting too bad. We’ve never heard of it either.

[@Autumn_Forest_]

It amazes me how many mansions have no security cameras, while I once saw an incredible case of a smart woman living in a trailer park whose astute sense of BS and security camera led to the capture of a murderous woman.

[@LadyAngela678]

Id really love to know who did it. Update when possible.

[@MsTygame]

So she’d been around the block numerous times. Way too many people are a possibility.

[@tinamarie1948]

I definitely think the husband KNOWS something

[@redrumhum]

Former model? What did she model, bug spray?

[@alexandria65]

She was in Playboy.

[@netta96]

They're all former models

[@TexasLyoness]

@@alexandria65No she just worked at one of the Playboy clubs when she was younger.

[@carolking6355]

America has a very different attitude to English speaking countries. Why do they divorce so much? My husband died after we were married for 60 years. The longer we were together the better it got. Teenagers was fun. Then we worked hard to give our children the best education. Finally we enjoyed our time together having fun again. Travelling, sharing hobbies, having a wonderful time. I’m in my 80s now and in poor health. I looked after him and he looked after me. Sadly he went first. His last words to me were that I was the only girl ever for him. It’s taken me 3 years to feel at peace. I just can’t understand how people can jump into another marriage sooner. My friends agree. There just isn’t true love in the beginning. If I am wrong I am sorry but do Americans for money or status? We come come from and have a family of doctors. We were not poor. But oh how we loved each other.

[@cathymcglasson6947]

I'm sorry but I do believe this is an inside job. Money can buy very professional help and still act like a victim. Furthermore anyone can wear a disguise. Men also cut and paste this could be hired out with the promise of payment at a later date when things died down or he could of had cash money already to hand over once the deed was done. In my opinion there is something her husband is not saying.

[@George39gmail.]

Hi Cathy🌹 How are you doing?

[@ItCantRainForever2]

I agree 💯

[@kitwarjri7086]

Its really embarassing wen yr secrets which you thought its safe with you forever end up being exposed to the whole world to see but the sad part is that how embarrassing it will be to the whole family members.

[@r.c.miller6161]

No home security videos???

[@grundged]

The husband did it. He hired a professional killer. Then he paid for his own investigation team to keep any suspicion off of him.

[@jgunn03]

Agree.

[@KDMeowmmy]

My thoughts as well.

[@025Gamx]

How will she allow a stranger in her house and turn her back while leading the stranger in?

[@jgunn03]

@@025Gamx YEA! It's not a true video until we got a miso come in the comment section and blame the victim!

[@GoGHTalkwithAbenaa]

Exactly, my thought.

[@rubyredlopez4]

He was willing to pay because he knows the killer isn't going to be found out because, it was a professional killer that he hired!

[@ItCantRainForever2]

Exactly

[@MexicanTeTe]

It happened in 2008, and the husband was in the business of real estate... wonder if it was someone negatively affected by the financial crisis with a personal grudge against him.

[@AlexAndra-iy5zu]

With so many crime sleuths I hope this can be solved. Most channels are story tellers, unfortunately. Hopefully someone can find the killer. I know the husband is the first suspect but there are so many cases were the husband is innocent This whole nonsense of a secret life is ridiculous The secret part is ridiculous. Everyone knows everyone’s business Neighbors are nosy

[@cannablissdreams]

this is DEMONSTRABLY false.. people lead double lives allllllllllllllllll day every day.. ESPECIALLY rich people and people into kink

[@jaycole5353]

​@cannablissdreams410 The husband could have did it. Paid someone to do it because she was cheating and the reason he left it the same is because he knew she hated it. The husband probably did it, especially if he kept staying in the house. Because if he didn't move that would show some off about him. No person that actually loved someone would stay and lived in the house the person they loved was murdered. Nope they wouldn't want the reminder. They need to look more into the husband

[@AlexAndra-iy5zu]

@@jaycole5353 Most likely husband is the killer. He did a great job covering his tracks if it is in deed he.?. If it’s not the husband? I’d say look close at the sister 🤔 as I am watching her speak I am realizing she’s a very jealous envious sister. Watch her closely. With my mother passed away I realized siblings can be the most devious people of all. I’m just putting it out there 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@manichairdo9265]

HE DIED 2 YEARS LATER.​@@jaycole5353

[@soniasharma9177]

go check where the letter came from like that post offcie cctv who came to post the letter

[@Lukesmommy]

This case is mesmerizing!!

[@mtsflorida]

Somebody had a record of being sued and criminal acts.

[@polynesia8733]

How does a hobby lobby manager have the lady's phone number? Unless she gave him her phone number? I don't give out my phone number to random store managers?

[@henrikibjensen3869]

The perp could be an experienced burglar: nice well off houses, he visited day before to find how to get in & out, find best house; he expects house to be empty and uses the bell to find out; she opens & he kills her immediately because she saw him. Goes upstairs to wash his hands. Leaves without taking any valuables because now there is prison for life with any stolen goods.

[@jvnbrk]

I don't want to disrespect anybody's name but when you get into situations like that it brings trouble, if you're married just live the boring life. And I mean that in a good way, if you still want to play around don't marry. Jealousy is probably the no 1 thing that gets people killed either by the spouse a jilted lover. Times always been dangerous in that regard but is getting worse, the less people you put yourself out there to the less danger a person has. Nothing wrong with a typical married life, drama free.

[@vivalaleta]

What nonsense. Watch the hours tick by. Having a drama free life is a big yawn.

[@jvnbrk]

@@vivalaleta lol you can still have fun just do it with your spouse and that applies to life in general. Enjoy your kids, grandkids, dogs whatever. Vacay..there's so many things a family can do that's not boring. When your're 60 and married that's not the time to think you're 20 again. How often do these shows show a jealous someone killing somebody..probably 90% of the time.

[@craigime]

@@vivalaleta hey, do you love... be a th0t- ain't nobody stopping you

[@molly5262]

@jvnbrk - agree 💯!

[@AnnafromHungarylvNW]

This is called victim blaming. They even said it that they found no evidence that she was having an affair. And honestly, if there was, it looks like the husband would have been involved (fetishes, swinging, etc.) Karen seems quite suspicious to me, I would think she planned it and her husband carried it out.

[@robw2486]

It was likely a male ex-lover who was likely obsessed or angry with her. Usually there is some sort of electronic trail, such as text messages or emails which could be traced back to the suspect. I am thinking she could have met her killer at a sex party it was implied she went too (with her husband) who became obsessed and secretly started stalking her, and turned up at her house one day, and murdered her, She likely recognised and opened the door and allowed entry, and this would explain why he has never been traced. It would be really hard to trace somebody if you met (and had sex) with them once or twice, never communicated with them via phone or email (as you met them at an event), and never mentioned them to anybody as they were just one of many men you have 'swung' with so to speak.

[@roxanaescobar5645]

People are just savages...we no longer care about each other.

[@aruglaempire2518]

Don't say "we" unless you mean YOU. It is the CRIMINAL mind.

[@jonandra678]

It's amazing how many times people divorce/remarry/cheat, even though it exponentially increases your chances of being a victim of a violent crime. Yet they still do it. RIP though.

[@laday4792]

She needed to be desired and admired which resulted in affairs while married to all her husbands. I don’t believe her husband did this. I believe that in the end she found her fatal attraction....a secret lover only known to her. Unfortunately he may never be held accountable. Rip Kay.

[@craigime]

yeah, that's why some women need therapy before they enter a relationship

[@PinkGrammarGirl]

Sadly, it's the strongest option, IMO. I think she was calling it off with someone, someone who knew she was home (maybe she cancelled on him) and he came over angry. They probably exchanged some verbal words before he attacked.

[@l.mckenna1034]

You didn’t pay attention… her autopsy showed that she wasn’t sexually active - at her age, the vaginal cavity contracts when there’s no “use”

[@craigime]

@@l.mckenna1034 they didn't say she wasn't sexually active- they said she hadn't had sex recently.... But that doesn't matter anyway. Her not having sex doesn't automatically rule out a spurned lover

[@williambranham6249]

@@l.mckenna1034 Sexual activity is not limited to the vagina. If fetishes are common than there are also other options.

[@jamig.7254]

My scenario: 1. Gansters wanted to buy the mini-shopping mall. They first encountered the wife for discussion. Hal turned down their offer. Other events unknown to us took place...Then the hit was made. 2. The mini-mall was a money laundering business for Hal, gangsters, and Karen. The wife might have become too talkative. Karin could of informed the gangsters, and the hit was made. Karin was actually working for the gangsters as an informant. In other words, a lookout for potential problems.

[@Sara-wo3pd]

That day she said she wasn't well , stayed home....maybe cause she was waiting for someone

[@einienj3281]

Very sad, that Hal died beforegetting answers..

[@surpriseimblack]

He killed her

[@mysticmama740]

Hal seems so guilty...and he is a known liar! Smh...

[@joeframo3347]

48-hours a great program it's very put together good❤

[@Mojtala41]

About the letter, you should think about the person who needs to send such a letter. The letter is not sent to help the police but to divert its attention.