4D MINECRAFT WILL BREAK YOUR BRAIN! - 4D MINER

[@DamianSiIvers]

That cave is a really good example of how incomprehensible the fourth dimension is, it looked like you closed off the cave but it still had an opening you couldn’t see

[@ozymantiasVI]

you get used to it if you use hypergeometric concepts some times. But it's still really trippy to actually see one way it could look like

[@Philly_Gamer]

Ahhh hypergeometric concepts. why didn't I think of that before? Now I get it!

[@michealfreeman9714]

That's what the starting tutorial was trying to teach

[@outofthebox9699]

Wish I could imagine it, lucky you Ghosts!

[@christopherg2347]

I have heard about this game before. Two remarks: - There are 4D glasses. They highlight where enemies and loot is, in the other planes. Ideal to not miss anything - You have to build your house in all 4 dimensions. Otherwise 4D spiders can still just walk in.

[@BrazenSolar]

Unfortunately building a house in 4 dimensions makes it look ugly in 3 in this game - I've rarely seen someone build a decent neat looking house in this game haha.

[@DragonMagiccircle]

@@BrazenSolar The good news is that you don't necessarily need to to be spacious in the 4th dimension. It can basically be a crawl hole with walls on either side.

[@baseballjustin5]

wait how does building in 4 d work? I get normal 3d which is base minecraft. but how does 4d work

[@igorjosue8957]

@@baseballjustin5 there is tutorials about how to make a 4D house, but for me, what i did was just think a situation a 2D guy makes a 3D house, and just following what he was doing but at 4D, on a 4D house 2 of the walls need to be versions of the house but completelly filled or there would be 4D holes

[@BrazenSolar]

@@baseballjustin5 When you build it does place 3d blocks so if you build something and then "rotate" in 4d the thing will disappear. So you need a lot more blocks than normal, I guess based on how long each side is. If you have a building that's 4x4x4x4 you need 12 for the foundation (2d) 48 for the regular build (3d, no roof) and... i believe 192 for a 4d build, because you're adding another 4x length to it. It breaks my brain too but I guess that should be how it works

[@Kulabaluka]

The metaphor with Mr forg at the beginning really helped me understand this.

[@kalebscott282]

Same here. Im so glad they included that into the game

[@darthvaderyan]

The health bar being a Klein bottle is hilarious

[@PierceArner]

That was such a spectacular little detail!

[@blitzobean5146]

It makes me wonder if the health truly decays at all or not It's still a rlly good detail!

[@betabenja]

"if I look in this direction, it appears like I'm enclosed! that'll keep out all those guys that can see all directions by default!"

[@HAXMINATOR]

This must've been real interesting to program, really cool!

[@LazarusOasis]

Definitely lookup the creator's youtube. Mashpoe

[@Swm9445]

The hyperspiders getting hit kind of sounds like a mix of Yoda and Simon doing a funny voice

[@PierceArner]

The initial introduction was such a great way to preview the dimensional relationship in gameplay. I'd really love to see these sorts of mechanics being used in a limited capacity in a game like _The Sinking City._ That game's _Arkham Asylum_ style detective mode could be what allows you to shift through the dimensions present in an area where there's been some weird goings ons. That would let you potentially experience a range of oddities from somewhere like this that slips into the fourth dimension, or something more like the non-Euclidian experience in _Hyperbolica_ depending on what's happening in the area. By doing that, it starts to make sense that you're drawing more attention to yourself from the Eldritch horrors that are nearby and can't be perceived by humans normally, and why the risks of seeing and learning more about the Lovecraftian horrors slowly has you descending into rambling madness when you try to explain it to anyone else.

[@voodoominerman]

This. This level of incomprehensible nonsense is exactly what I want from lovecraftian games. Rather than what we get, which is normally just a shooter with fish men, and some occasional wavy overlays on the screen

[@Emperorhirohito19272]

definitely cool in concept for a game like that but as we can see from this just applying the maths correctly gives you very weird and imo not great looking results. I think some stylisation would be welcome for a narrative game. Both this and hyperbolica are more like gameified maths or physics lessons as they are

[@Theflashinapan]

My 5 year old asked me what this game was. He said it looks like broken minecraft. So, I tried to explain dimensions to him. He said he would defeat the 4th dimension. I believe him.

[@WoodlandDrake]

I can't wait for aliens to come to Earth and be like "You dudes are wasting so many resources, you barely tapped the oil reserve in Ecuador, just dig around a little in 4d space!"

[@kayonesoft]

Just rotate your view in the 4th dimension a little and bam, hollow Earth.

[@Poldovico]

There's no guarantee the Earth exists in other spaces of 4d hyperspace.

[@stiiinkyray]

aliens come and tell us that from their POV, the earth IS flat

[@Zappygunshot]

_And_ the Jedi are evil! But hey, who knows, perhaps the reason we never encountered any aliens is because they're all 3D creatures on a different slice of 4D space

[@TheKojiOyama]

@@Zappygunshot the jedi WERE evil. they upset the entire balance of the force.

[@Leptons_]

The dev "Mashpoe" has some pretty cool videos about the game & making it if anyone's interested. And if you want more 4D games, I think *Miegakure* is finally almost ready for release.

[@bierrollerful]

_crafts compass_ "So now... I can tell... *[heavy breathing]* ... " Yeah, I felt that.

[@natalyst]

they really need to fix the enemy spawning, it seems annoying that the hyperspiders just constantly spawn and attack you lol

[@totallycarbon2106]

They don't spawn on top of you, you just can't see them coming a lot of the time since they can move along all four axis while you can only do 3.

[@natalyst]

@@totallycarbon2106 oh i know, i just think them being able to spawn constantly is kind of annoying. minecraft has it so mobs only spawn at night and lose interest if you're too far away, i think this game should do the same. it would be cool if they had some lower-level 3D enemies that exist on a single plane during the day, maybe, so you can easily hide from them if you don't want to deal with them though

[@TheAwes0meo]

@@natalyst I think they just need an ambient sound so you can hear them coming before they are on top of you.

[@applepiesapricots3109]

I wonder if the author got inspiration from the 1884 novella Flatlands by Edwin A Abbott. The 2D explanation at the start is very similar to how the novel explains how the 2 dimensional characters experience a third spatial dimension, and it plays with the idea of higher spatial dimensions. EDIT: Oh, Tom mentions it.

[@RipJaws1]

Yeah, I almost instantly thought of Flatland-the movie with Martin Sheen and Kristen Bell. It's such a good way to explain dimensions in geometry

[@distantignition]

Tom: "I'm never playing Minecraft again." Tom from other dimension: "Let's play Minecraft!"

[@AbsolDorogan]

What I think is interesting is that when Frank is exploring the third dimension, the world's 2d representation looks fucked. The lands all broken up, seemingly appearing and disappearing at random and the widths of blocks are rarely consistent, all just because Frank can't see in 3d. So what it makes me wonder is if a being that naturally can see a full 4d image would see objects as being consistent, sense they wouldn't have to 'rotate their slice', since they'd just see the whole object just like we (humans) do in 3d.

[@DeepTalksPodcast777]

Been watching the development of this game and it's pretty insane how he has it programmed.

[@Scio_]

Can't wait for Miegakure to release in 4567 AD. In the meantime, I welcome every hyperspatial game people would make for us :)

[@BlareWolfgang]

The “Step dimension bro, get outta here” got me pretty good

[@cloudsora]

This looks friggin wild. Also Tom, a way to think about it is 4d is the ability to look inside and outside at the same time I guess. So closing a cave in one dimension is not safety unless it's closed in all dimensions from the horrors.

[@Fangamer1254]

Funnily enough we live in a 4th dimension. Because time is 4th dimension which basically contains all 3D past with mapping it in 4th dimension shows you know.

[@ozymantiasVI]

I like that you kept calling what you can see a "plane"! Cause it is a 3d hyper plane, but, as you can see on your compass, this plane looks like a volume. And a lot of people would just use volume automatically

[@MKBCelestial]

I feel like he's calling them planes because its d&d terminology, there's the material plane, the plane of positive energy, the plane of elemental fire etc. They're all different worlds existing in parallel along the 4th dimension. But in d&d the planes don't really overlap the way they do here.

[@xanosghoul]

Honestly this is terrifying because not only do you have to deal with the horrors of the 4th Dimension crashing into itself but now you have to deal with the most terrifying enemy of all. LOW RENDER DISTANCE.

[@coopergates9680]

While render distance is configurable in this game, my GPU can't stomach moderate to high levels of it. Lol

[@jordan6508]

Love the fun videos, thank you for your work Tom and Josh.

[@8BitShadow]

if you build 2D walls along each 3D perpendicular axi to the first 2D wall and fill in between; you create a 3D wall. if you build 3D walls along each 3D perpendicular axi to the first 3D wall; you create a 3D room. Extrapolating this: if you build 3D walls along each 4D perpendicular axi to the first 3D wall and fill in between; you create a 4D wall. if you build 4D walls along each 4D perpendicular axi to the first 4D wall; you create a 4D room. Thus you make one 4D wall out of 4*solidity 3D walls (or one 3D room) that are made of 16*solidity^2 2D walls; where 'solidity' is how many walls per rotation, the more walls per rotation the more 'solid' (or 'filled in') the wall is. As an example: one wall of your house is made up of 1 2D wall every distance between each atom (which depends on the material the wall is made of). which is essentially what tom started doing there at the end but made the equivalent *not* of a one walled house - but the frame of only one wall.

[@jamesog15]

Looks like a fantastic game concept but the hostile mobs could do with a good bit of work to be sure!

[@LineOfThy]

AI or appearence?

[@ВадимЛукомский-ъ1ь]

1:19 - this is a 4D-Spider that have 32 legs I just noticed that that's Spiders are actually 120-cells with legs

[@spencerwilkie4218]

Tom you know all the cool nerdy stuff, I've always loved flatland. First thing I thought when you started playing! I've always wanted to see a representation of it in the video game in relation to us

[@Garfield_Minecraft]

Blood in klein bottle is really cool How you can fill your blood in there?

[@stewartgames6697]

So this is why Superman and James T. Kirk could travel backwards in time by spinning around a celestial object really fast!

[@julianemery718]

The whole "building a house" thing could be explained like this: Imagine a 2D being in a 2D room. Lets also assume this 2D plane is vertical, so the being has a floor, two walls and a roof surrounding him. To him, he is completely surrounded and safe with no way in or out. But to us, a 3D being, we can see him and his house, as he is just a flat being inside a hollow square. For this 2D being to be completely incased he would have to build copies of the room to the left and right of his plane. However if he just left it at that, he would just have a square tunnel. To make his 2D house into a complete 3D one, hed have to "cap" the sides of his 3D room with completely filled in ones. This analogy works the same for us and this game. To make a 3D house 4D proof youd have to make copies of it to the left and right and cap it off with filled in ones. Well, actually there is one big difference, instead of "capping off" our house, you'd have to completely surround your house with filled in copies to make it completely 4D proof.

[@whoahanant]

The health bar is a Klein Bottle which is a nice touch lol

[@S4B3R117]

Hey Tom! Have you ever seen the movie From Beyond? The same crew that did Reanimator did it immediately afterwards. It's like like what you were saying at the 4:30 ish mark, with higher dimensional beings, HP Lovecraft wrote the short story the first 5 minutes of the movie are based on.

[@TechnoGhosty]

this video is actually hurting my head, it doesnt know what to comprehend 😅

[@KingBobbito]

This seems cool as a tech demo but I can't imagine a game in 4D actually being very enjoyable. Having to constantly rotate to get even a slight sense of direction seems really tedious.

[@Zappygunshot]

You'd have to make the rotation super intuitive. As it stands, the scroll wheel approach ain't the dream

[@Emperorhirohito19272]

You don’t have to give the ability to move in the fourth dimension to the player. Instead you could have 4 dimensional objects and creatures interacting with your 3d player character

[@tungleson7066]

@@Emperorhirohito19272 Imagone being hit by a 4d entity, knowing that it can attack you from practically anywhere and it is impossible to foresee it before it actually connect. That is the futile of dealing with 4d entity without ability to access them. If you can access them, then the amount of confusion already defeat your purpose anyway.

[@Hawk_of_Battle]

Just wait until some genius crafter builds a 4d maze in this game.

[@Poopdahoop]

THE MUSIC!!!

[@RubelliteFae]

yeah, not sure how they are getting away with that, tbh

[@IndigoWhiskey]

man you could do such a sick castle where rotating south facing turns everything but the outer walls into open courtyard gardens so you can always heel turn for a bit of nature. well i say south, south in terms of your 4d rotation and generally lining it up with that good sunlight but i suppose 4d grand designs is skipping ahead a few chapters. ill have to remind myself not to bother tomorrow.

[@RedReaper666OG]

That compass might need a hint of colorization to help clarify dimensional orientation for comprehending.

[@heyheyitsjae2475]

If I remember right someone a few years ago managed to make 4D Minecraft inside regular Minecraft. Didn't even need a full mod, just a datapack! I think the main difference was their's was a pre-built puzzle map while this seems to have a randomly generated world

[@coopergates9680]

They can do that, but from what I see, there isn't a smooth transition between 3D slices, it's an immediate switch between hyperplanes that are at 90 degrees to each other and at integer coordinates, so each view just looks like normal 3D blocks. Probably much more compatible with Minecraft than more versatile code like this game.

[@wildlyagressivedeckchairs]

Thus is cool would love to see it become as popular as Minecraft was in its hay day

[@melelconquistador]

Looks like my dreams. I dream of voxel worlds sometimes and but over all everything environment of mine looks like it transform with my movement while I'm not constrained by gravity like everyone else. It's useful as I can out-maneuver anything because nothing in my dreams moves to the same extent I do. Mind you I have no nightmares but I'm always lost and never quite reach the expected or same places. Its alot of fun because I can do alot of mischief. For example, sometimes biengs try to capture me or I get alot of attention because to them some guy just appeared before them and he drifts through the air. Anyway I can take others with me and their reactions are mixed, some are unfazed while others freak out. Some are unfazed because they can move like me but at a limited capacity. Alot of it looks like I'm phasin through objects to reach places, like that mirror world in doctor strange sort of.

[@jondw]

imagine playing this game in multiplayer and just hiding away in a 4th dimension

[@tungleson7066]

You can't hide again the 4d glass.

[@steffenballe4285]

I loved this.. thanks for playing this, tom!

[@nazamroth8427]

Unfortunately, higher dimensions are even worse than counting in different bases for me. Yes, I understand the principles, but as soon as I try to work with them, brain.exe crashes and needs a restart... (Base2 being the exception)

[@P108A]

Wordcels get out, this is a game for shape rotators only

[@dafoex]

There are 10 types of people in this world, those that understand Hexadecimal and F the rest

[@FriendlyKat]

KZbin thinking this is actually minecraft.... It almost is a direct rip off. Almost. 7:36 the editing here is genius.

[@Erhannis]

Oh, nice. I've been waiting for Miegakure for like, over a decade now; I'll take another 4D game while I wait

[@TheBlymp]

Holy shit, I watched the guy develop this game and I never thought you would play this. I'm ecstatic

[@bdbdavis2000]

I've been following the development of this game for a while now! I knew Tom would like it!

[@larryishere1]

Tom STOOOOP! Your brain toooo smooooth for this

[@Cyadragon]

Man, castleminer z has had some updates since the 360 days

[@user-rz4kl4fv3d]

this is like 4d chess in that i have no idea what is going on

[@Derpingmuffin]

epilepsy warning on the animation for the creatures getting hit

[@MrFoxnine]

13:33 tom calls the game 3d miner ,, ahh tomm never change

[@cou0010]

Mandatory Algorithmic Comment Because We Love Tom (And The Editing!) Xx Also; This game looks amazing .

[@valkatra]

This looks like an extra level of unneeded stress for this type of game

[@Bhargos]

Tom finally plays Minecraft yay.

[@Retr0Whiskey]

Came back here after watching someone try to explain a 4d klein bottle (don't ask me to try and explain it - it gave me a migraine just trying to understand the idea of how it wouldn't Intersect with its self, given a fourth dimension.)

[@Leptons_]

7:34 Tom! My G502 sometimes makes that beeping sound when I scroll super fast too! Anyone know what it is? I've never actually bothered to figure out what the beeping is from & why it's doing it.

[@jackdidcote1858]

Really appreciate the mc music

[@JohnPaul_kun]

the longer I watch this the more I just wanna go ape sh*t from how confusing this is

[@TheMperor5]

Tom! Please use your new knowledge of the extra dimensions to bring us more call of Cthulhu. Would make my day 😊

[@Gothic_Analogue]

Those spiders/dimensional horrors sound like C1-10P (Chopper) from Star Wars Rebels.

[@Cyberpansy]

That’s gotta be one of the coolest games I’ve ever seen.

[@farshnuke]

Okay that is really cool and a great way to get kids into maths and higher dimensional physics.

[@Temprael]

Love to see Tom putting the ol' brain to use.

[@toonco1096]

I get the ability to rotate your plane of existence, but how does this work in 3D? Can someone please explain how this works

[@donovanmahan2901]

The X'Z' component of the direction you are looking at is rotated towards the direction perpendicular to your hyperplane, W'.

[@toonco1096]

@@donovanmahan2901 I have spent the last 15 minutes thinking and drawing random diagrams, I think I understand. Essentially you are looking at the rotating 3 dimensional plane? This is still confusing as all hell but slightly more understandable, thank you 🙏

[@RoosterFloyd]

3rd dimensions, 5th G's, man, what will science make next!?

[@kennethbeal]

It's a lot of fun. Would be better if we could hit a control key to change "mouse left-and-right" to scroll in the W axis, instead of the X axis. Have begun work on a game myself, to see if I can do that. Very beginning stages. :)

[@coopergates9680]

More like, there are three rotational freedoms that impact the direction the camera is facing in. Two of them change this vector such that it stays within the same 3D slice, but the other component requires that slice to rotate so that it still contains the camera's look direction. I wrote my app so that it projects from 4D to 3D instead of slicing, but if I took slices, the 3D slice would be viewed as everything that can be expressed in terms of the look direction and two axes orthogonal to it. This would leave a fourth axis which is perpendicular to that whole 3D slice. Each of those four orientation axes depending on the camera's rotation will usually have components in all four Cartesian axes, it would rarely just be a W or X axis. My version of your idea is a toggle key that 'rotates' which freedoms the mouse uses, so the mouse parameters cycle between 01, 12, and 20, if you could index the freedoms 0 to 2.

[@kennethbeal]

@@coopergates9680 Nice, I like it! Do you have a pointer to your work? Thank you! I'd prefer a normal "two-way" toggle switch and of course, I'd make it user-configurable e.g., so I could have one key change the X axis to the W axis, and another key change the Y axis to the W axis, and allow those keys to be configurable, as well as "which axis changes to which other" if that makes sense. Might need further thought/a first coffee. :)

[@coopergates9680]

@@kennethbeal Oh, so you'd rather have two toggle keys rather than one for cycling, or the other option is a configurable boolean so the same toggle key switches a different freedom with rotating the slice. I wanted just one toggle key for that since I used another toggle key to influence which strafing directions WASD applies to, since there's an extra one of those also... I did upload a video with mine but it's also quite tiny, it's a bare bones software renderer, so it could be attached in an e-mail or really all over the place.

[@kennethbeal]

@@coopergates9680 Well, my initial thought was a single toggle key that would change either the X or Y axis, to the W axis. From your comment, I added a second one to give more flexibility. And your requirement makes sense as well, not wanting to add too many extra keys. So I'll reduce mine back to a single, configurable key. Which could be a 2-way toggle, or 3-way, or heck let the user "write" the order that it toggles through, e.g., text field "XYZW" etc. :) I'll check your video, thanks!

[@kennethbeal]

@@coopergates9680 Haha, love it! Am 7 minutes into the first of your two videos, and you just mentioned starting around 6:30 that you mapped toggle keys to the extra dimension; AND, that you didn't want to use extra keys! That's so neat, seeing our conversation in your video from three years ago. :)

[@Deathnotefan97]

“It’s not dimensions, it’s planes” It actually isn’t, “plane” specifically refers to 2D For 3D, it’s called spaces

[@Zephei]

Hyperplanes, actually. A space is something more general.

[@patrickoreilly3012]

13:33 Wait... this has been 3D mining? Now I'm really confoursed 0_o

[@shakajolt1173]

New from TomCo- STONE! "The other kind of dirt!"

[@giantent763]

So, uh, what if I said this is actually a 5D game? Time is an element of the game because you are allowed to move around and the world can progress. The thing is that 4 of the dimensions can be altered freely and the 5th, time, can only progress forward (in this case) at a given rate.

[@totallycarbon2106]

Is it possible to slide your slice along the fourth dimension instead of just rotating? In demo with forg it shows the 2D slice being dragged back and forth, and I feel like that would be nicer than how rotating messes with the shapes.

[@purebloodedgriffin]

That's just turning your lice 90 degrees, walking forward, and turning it back

[@jalyco1656]

Sliding might make you suffocate in walls or suddenly fall a lot. But aside from that issue, I agree it would be nicer

[@LineOfThy]

they did add it!

[@devennasso7022]

Forg's cross-section rotates about the y-axis to allow him to explore the 3d world. How many axes does the 3d cross section "spin" around?

[@Jpteryx]

It spins around one axis... you could call it the alpha-axis.

[@donovanmahan2901]

The Y axis and the axis to your left/right compose the plane that remains fixed as you turn ana or kata (4d analog to left/right)

[@Stanehable]

759 . This terrain shifting is making me sick . Strange. I like it.

[@alexandrubusuioc6800]

Can't wait for him to play the new update :D

[@DivineDragoon]

Thanks, I hate it. Watching you play this broke my brain but it was a fun watch.

[@Brandonwarking]

I've never seen a videogame that made me feel this dumb before

[@BigBigBigJeff]

Here after watching hatfilms latest worms episode about 4d minecraft

[@Boxland_]

So, if I understand this correctly, you have one dimension that's parallel to gravity, and three dimensions that are orthogonal. Wouldn't it be nice if you had a way of aligning yourself with each of the 3 horizontal dimensions?

[@LineOfThy]

there is

[@Boxland_]

@@LineOfThy Really? I saw him aligning himself with one of the dimensions. Can it be used for each three of them?

[@LineOfThy]

@@Boxland_ i'm pretty sure there are a couple of shortcuts to align yourself along each dimension.

[@Terrakinetic]

One of my life goals is to create a complete 4 dimensional shape in my imagination.

[@RIPDixie1865]

I am both intrigued and disgusted by this game.

[@TheBlackwolf5011]

what a cool concept

[@LetsFailAtStuff]

I love this because moving in the fourth is kinda like moving in time, so, you can imagine as you scroll wheel time passes so quickly stuff literally changes around you. Its not you moving, its the world moving.

[@HaralHeisto]

No, it's not like moving in time. People sometimes refer to time as the 4th dimension, but the 4 dimensions in this game are all spatial dimensions, time is just moving linearly as "normal".

[@Mechanisttm]

This hurts my brain

[@harryparker9330]

Waiting for Simon and Tom play The Quarry!! :)

[@pogolizard]

Hooray 4D Tom!

[@darkpixel1128]

And i thought the 4d chess game was fucking incomprehensible.

[@AimYTYT]

i'm already about to barf

[@MrJay_White]

congrats. you are fighting mangoliers

[@Trevor21230]

Man, this game is wild!

[@synchc]

I need you and Si to play The Quarry.

[@otto_ueue]

Can someone give a game awards for Mashpoe?

[@dafoex]

Does this game have multiplayer? It'd be hilarious to play with Matt Parker of Standupmaths

[@darvazar2155]

Hey Tom when are you and Simon going to play together again? Y'all are my wife and I favorite duo!

[@sj0r5]

do you think there are spiders hiding in the 4th dimension from us in the real world? 🤯

[@cthulhoops]

I don't know if people who understand 4D space entirely could play this game well haha

[@bodhi4094]

Ow, my brain

[@LividBunny]

This weirdly peculiarly fun. How would you make a 4D building tho?

[@PixlRainbow]

to build a 2D building, you need four lines to make a square. To make a 3D building, you need to repeat that six times to make the six 2D faces of a cube. To make a 4D building, you need to repeat the the cube another eight times to make the eight 3D volumes of a 4D hypercube. To a 3D player, it would feel like your house had eight rooms all overlapping on the same space, each accessible by "rotating". But to the 4D enemies, you have a single room that's walled up on all sides.

[@LineOfThy]

@@PixlRainbow and completely filled