The part of the video showing the train leaving the quarry is a good demonstration of Harmonic Rock the often occurs around 15~18mph depending on the length of the car and rails. The cars near the locomotives are stabilized by the strain on the couplers which dampens the rocking of the cars. But as you go back through the train, the strain is less and the rocking is more pronounced. But that last car with no cars behind to help dampen the rocking is left to rock as much as it wants, hence it's wild rocking.
@shawnpowell58762 жыл бұрын
Great catch of the Maryland Midland GEEPS working hard pulling that HEFTY consist of Rock Cars! Have to say they're very lucky that last car didn't go over bcuz that could've been a domino effect for other cars! I like how it ran right through the town of Westminister! I'm a BIG FAN of "STREET RUNNING" as well as of the colors of those GEEPS! Thanks again for sharing your videos with us along with your time and effort CP!
@brilliantman794 жыл бұрын
Awesome job! Thank you for your time and effort chasing the stone train. It’s not often anyone shows a train from start to finish. This has got to be one of the best train uploads on KZbin!! Thank you!
@old_bayrailfan53123 жыл бұрын
Stone train become a pain in the ass to chase after the sun sets
@meruliouslacrimens51544 жыл бұрын
Love the way it just cuts across the road at Westminster, MD . A few great shots of progress there. So often you don't get a full shot showing how many wagons are on, but you surely delivered. ( also good that we only get the true loco sound and not any stupid music that wouldn't do it justice anyway.😅👍
@samuel_towle4 жыл бұрын
It was a happy train. I saw it wagging it's tail. Shipper overloads every car to offset transportation costs.
@196Stefan24 жыл бұрын
The last car doesn't only spill stones, the wheels are lifting-off from the (shitty) track when rocking. A derailment is a matter of time. Apart from this, the cars aren't loaded equally.
@spaceage10604 жыл бұрын
Yard track is usually bad, I wish rail companies changed that -_-
@scdevon4 жыл бұрын
Why do so many trains seem to deliberately travel at the exact speed that harmonic rocking occurs? A 5mph increase or decrease in speed seems to eliminate the rocking, yet you see these trains frequently just loafing along rocking themselves almost off the rails for extended periods.
@danielrose13924 жыл бұрын
@@scdevon Assume all trains are the same, a train at line speed will have a certain harmonic and cause damage matching this harmonic. Any further train similar train at line speed also matches the harmonic.
@scdevon4 жыл бұрын
@Dan C. Harmonic rocking causes derailments and rollovers in some cases. It's not as if you don't need to worry about it.
@lawrence18uk4 жыл бұрын
@@scdevon I assume the harmonic rocking causes the track to dip in places which emphasise it even more. Especially when the rolling stock is identical every time.
@eugenereinard79574 жыл бұрын
This is the first time I saw any of your videos and I was amazed at the quality of your photography and all the beautiful scenery absolutely some of the best I've seen, just one video, and I have already subscribed. Thank You
@DonkenAndToivolaRR4 жыл бұрын
In some countries "lifting a wheels flange above the height of the top of the rail" is part of the definition of a derailment.
@scdevon4 жыл бұрын
This constant rocking is hard on equipment too especially the suspension and springs. These cars may have only rocked for a short time, but they rock all day on some other lines.
@tractorsmachinesro14054 жыл бұрын
Absolute great work...True rail therapy
@joshperu24733 жыл бұрын
Legend has it that last car is still dumping stones to this day.
@TheFront40Alaska4 жыл бұрын
Alaska Railroad would never let us fill our cars that full.
4 жыл бұрын
but thats due to bad level of rails
@reidselby25694 жыл бұрын
Great to see some Carroll County railroading. Thanks for posting !
@AMPProductionsVideo4 жыл бұрын
This was a great video!
@old_bayrailfan53123 жыл бұрын
Carroll county best county
@erniemitchell35464 жыл бұрын
The rear axle, last wheel, got some air, about an inch, with those low joints (cross level defects). GOOD TRACK!! Good for 20mph!! LOL That's like knocking the head off a beer before it is taken to the table, but in this case before it rolls across the country.
@cdavid81394 жыл бұрын
This is an industrial lead. For many industries....this is FANTASTIC track.
@brandtfj4 жыл бұрын
best video I've seen in a long time! thank-you
@ronf.61802 жыл бұрын
Very cool. Thanx for sharing!
@tommyhunter18173 жыл бұрын
The orange plague. Love the 45’s though. Classic look. Those close quarters and tight clearances in town just make the place seem inviting to me.
@edcew82364 жыл бұрын
Spill is at 3:00
@kleetus923 жыл бұрын
Nice catch. I sometimes do some work at the Lehigh Cement plant and catch a couple of engines switching cement covered hoppers around down at the bottom of the hill, but this was nice to see some of the spots I drive by, but never get to catch them at. What you saw where the last car launched some stone was the 14 (and later 28) mph harmonic oscillation that sets up with jointed track and the spring rates of the cars. The fact the track was worse than average, and the cars were loaded I'd suspect well above their max fill level which further raises the center of gravity exacerbating the oscillation problem, you almost caught a wreck on film. If they had started their acceleration out of the quarry 2 engine lengths sooner, they'd have likely been on the ground.
@kleetus922 жыл бұрын
@Ronald Lee Kuehne You know they changed the line into the plant now? It no longer runs through town, it goes out on the opposite side of the plant, up and over a huge hill down to the main on a new wye that was put in at a farm. I think that's why they have so much more power on the line, to make those moves possible.
@havochiawatha33754 жыл бұрын
2:57 Nobody: The clumsy one after the bar:
@duganc25814 жыл бұрын
Nice to see a couple of clean de-powered ‘45s. Too aggressive speed leaving the quarry and overloaded cars to boot. Great video!
@AMPProductionsVideo4 жыл бұрын
I like these locomotives too
@bushranger513 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the driver could of crawled out of the quarry, he had to know about that poor track going in to pick up the train, so he should have made allowances for it, a couple of extra minutes at a slower speed may save a future derailment there.
@WJack972244 жыл бұрын
I like the red brick building. Ancient architecture is soooo neat.
@tookitogo4 жыл бұрын
It’s not ancient. “Ancient” means “extremely old”, which no building in USA is.
@HugsBach4 жыл бұрын
Favorite crossing has to be Westminster, Maryland. What a unique crossing! The White and the brick building seems inches away from the train 🚆. It would be a great layout on a small model railroad layout, IMHO
@old_bayrailfan53123 жыл бұрын
Back in the western Maryland days Westminster was a big siding
@metalhead_modellerm48044 жыл бұрын
What is the location at 7:22 ? That would be a cool scene for a model diorama.
@8QUAU4 жыл бұрын
Westminster Md. Liberty street or Ridge Rd and main Street. Looking across from parking lot at Sherwood square
@metalhead_modellerm48044 жыл бұрын
@@8QUAU Thanks!
@railroadskater28964 жыл бұрын
Nice K3LA horn! Sounds exactly like Winchester Western's 576. I'm surprised that the crossing where the stone spilled didn't have the crossing bells working.
@suduputha6594 жыл бұрын
Thanks 🙏 for your video
@enginerd804 жыл бұрын
That train is awfully loud -- I mean, the screeching cars are louder than the diesel locomotive! Was that normal? Did the screeching come from the bearings, or were the flangs constantly hitting the rails? The way I've understood it, the flangs are only supposed to hit the rails at tighter "corners". Also, do trains over there constantly blare the horn? I live some 200 meters from tracks in Finland, and pretty much the only thing I hear is the diesel engine a couple of times per day. A train horn is heard maybe once a month. I think they only use it if there's someone or something on the tracks. Though, to be fair, the trains around here rarely carry stone, so I don't know how they would sound like under a really heavy load like that.
@old_bayrailfan53123 жыл бұрын
Trains are loud in maryland
@danielgannon95024 жыл бұрын
Fun video to watch, thanks. Subscribed.
@stewarttrains984 жыл бұрын
Most all of the cars on this train are improperly loaded as not properly spread in the car. Hopefully they where not going to interchange. Quite a few even appear to be overweight. I see these type on the GNRR on a regular basis hauling marble.
@missmadness5644 жыл бұрын
Good job and good shots
@MilePost1064 жыл бұрын
Great video!!! Loved it, thanks for sharing
@richardturk7162 Жыл бұрын
Why do they blow the horn so many times? Those tracks at the first intersection need repair plus loading the cars so high the center of gravity becomes higher and more likely to derail and cause a turn over. Those hopper cars look like they have never seen any maintenance in 20 years.
@JawTooth4 жыл бұрын
Wow, that was cool!
@6777Productions4 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@GerardWassink4 жыл бұрын
Cool? Or coal? ;-)
@thejack64694 жыл бұрын
Awesome sound and interesting service! Greetings!
@robertvertacnik99894 жыл бұрын
Classic example of harmonic rolling.
@spaceage10604 жыл бұрын
If there was a longer car at the end, do you think the effects would be mostly cancelled out?
@robertvertacnik99894 жыл бұрын
@@spaceage1060 Not if it was loaded as badly as the rest of the cars in the train.
@michaelsmith49044 жыл бұрын
This was really fun to watch a 3x!
@mikes76394 жыл бұрын
So dull waiting for a derail ?
@scottnathens63774 жыл бұрын
cool video and scenery ...
@milesboehmer99694 жыл бұрын
The entire train was rockin ,talk about being over loaded wow !
@TheBeeMan19944 жыл бұрын
The rock was caused by the crappy track work right before the crossing, you can see there’s a few low joints in a row, with the way they are spaced (every 19.5 ft with 39 ft rail) 13 mph will cause what’s called harmonic rock, the cars aren’t overloaded just cause they are loaded over the top, as long as they aren’t over weight. The low joints right before the crossing caused the cars to harmonic rock across it, spilling the rock, not the fact they were loaded over the top. The shortline I work for we have ballast cars loaded up like that, never had spillage issues unless it was across really bad rail
@meak134 жыл бұрын
Did you notice he wasn't waving as he went by the first time?
@MarylandAreaRailfan4 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the 4K gang!👌🏼
@kishascape4 жыл бұрын
STFU nerd
@old_bayrailfan53123 жыл бұрын
@@kishascape STFU girl
@csxtrainfan3194 жыл бұрын
How did that rock car spilled it’s stone
@railfanninginohiowithjessi98444 жыл бұрын
Awesome video
@Florida84994 жыл бұрын
I don't think it would have derailed but it sure was rocking.
@grampus21124 жыл бұрын
The wheels of the last wagon never left the rails .it would have to tilt a lot farther than that before contact was lost and the rear wagons are loaded with quarry dust not stone
@whiteknightcat4 жыл бұрын
Look again at full speed. The wheels of the second truck of the last car did lift off the near rail about an inch for a fraction of a second, showing daylight between the wheel and rail.
@rjl1109195814 жыл бұрын
thank you for detail video
@daciatravel.6474 жыл бұрын
Very good video!
@ChefKevinRiese4 жыл бұрын
Oh my! That was so exciting.
@toby0704 жыл бұрын
In Michael Angelis' voice: "Then there was trouble! The old truck wobbled and stone spilt everywhere!"
@sd90mac614 жыл бұрын
Hi Toby, where's your partner DIESEL, LOL👍
@aaronb76314 жыл бұрын
@@sd90mac61 Being bothered by the "troublesome trucks"!! LOL
@kamilkarwat27064 жыл бұрын
I never realized how much travel a train car truck suspension actually has. They usually seem very stiff.
@WJack972244 жыл бұрын
Rockin' and Rollin' RR style. I like it and hey, spreadin' a little grit on an icy road ain't all bad. Hey, is the rockin' and rollin' due to the road bed or the hopper suspension or both? What say you? It does appear that that last hopper was a bit too overloaded.
@ericposey37824 жыл бұрын
Them SD40M-2 were painted in Lyons, Georgia on the Georgia Central.
@norbertdx4 жыл бұрын
So the SD45's were downgraded to SD40? I guess that makes sense, they didn't need that kind of power on those rough tracks.
@old_bayrailfan53123 жыл бұрын
@@norbertdx yeah class 3 short lines normally don’t and considering the last track replacement was in 1999
@EdWhizAviationTrains4 жыл бұрын
Great footage, really enjoyed watching - I Liked & Subscribed 👍😎
@ericdaniel70694 жыл бұрын
I am new to the channel. Great stuff!
@Buck19544 жыл бұрын
You get a little good-bye toot. Nice!
@captainecho7644 жыл бұрын
Those cars were getting half an inch of air there at 2:55. Kinda dangerous
@mikejw584 жыл бұрын
OMG Did I see what I think I just saw ! ! ! I dont know if i'm going to be able to sleep at night anymore
@meTimetraveler3 жыл бұрын
GP38's I have been to the Union Bridge yard
@BaltimoreAndOhioRR4 жыл бұрын
I was on the wrong side 😣 great editing job! ✔
@richmondrailfan84444 жыл бұрын
BRO YOU GOT VERIFIED LETS GO YESSIR
@hreindustries Жыл бұрын
I know exactly where that keymar bridge is, I had no idea it was operational.
@southern207hobbies4 жыл бұрын
The loader operator is at fault for overloading those cars
@aaronb76314 жыл бұрын
That, and the crew who needs to come by and fix the ballist!
@internazi4 жыл бұрын
im of the opinion any run thru residential commercial would also include weight limits that keep the load well off every car i see here loaded is easily off a mark perscribed, some look like they are 10,000lbs in difference by the attempts to pile it on....gotta wonder what the feed operators were on
@trapperjohn24624 жыл бұрын
Very odd! I've never seen an SD40-2 in that configuration. Normally, SD40-2s have large decks at each end. Not so with 3451.
@trainzguy24724 жыл бұрын
These are former SD45 rebuilds, as evidenced by the flared radiators.
@trapperjohn24624 жыл бұрын
@@trainzguy2472 Makes sense. I was thinking they look more like SD 45s.
@vmiley14 жыл бұрын
A little over filled in the back half of the car.
@SuperPanther344 жыл бұрын
Damn.. Those things are filled up too high.
@jeroen25353 жыл бұрын
In the Netherlands it is not even allowed to load a wagon so full.
@leskeegan90334 жыл бұрын
Little more sway in them springs
@MustangsTrainsMowers4 жыл бұрын
Looks like some of the rock could have spilled into the flangeway of the crossing.
@cdavid81394 жыл бұрын
most flangeways in these operations are always full of rock
@steamgent45924 жыл бұрын
Spilled stone = free ballast
@Dproud27004 жыл бұрын
One of the locomotives looks like a former SP locomotive
@mikejw584 жыл бұрын
Did you get written permission to stand there?
@old_bayrailfan53123 жыл бұрын
no 😎
@MrAudienceMember26620154 жыл бұрын
Gravel train is rockin’ it to an old track.
@brandonoswald23924 жыл бұрын
Harmonic Rockin!
@warthog234 жыл бұрын
They should really get rid of those old hoppers, and should use Gondolas Instaed right?
@old_bayrailfan53123 жыл бұрын
No
@K-Effect4 жыл бұрын
That was one of those self-leveling/load limiting cars. They rock back and forth like that to either level the load or to kick off extra weight. They were really popular back in.......NEVER!!!
@ScottTaipaleRail4 жыл бұрын
Nice chase but Genesee & Wyoming gets unfriendly pretty quick if people are filming while standing in the gauge, even if its a yard track.
@old_bayrailfan53123 жыл бұрын
Yeah but Maryland Midland employees are cool
@ashrafulhaque87594 жыл бұрын
I am getting sea sick watching this train!
@robertgregory26184 жыл бұрын
How do people sleep at night when them horns blast like that.
@brucescott26494 жыл бұрын
After awhile you just don’t pay attention to them. Coal trains run by here twice a day. Never pay attention to them. You do hear them your brain just edits them into the background.
@old_bayrailfan53123 жыл бұрын
We sleep with a smile on our face
@tryithere4 жыл бұрын
Man, they sure do load those cars.
@yrunaked44 жыл бұрын
if you look closely, the last wheel of the last car, grabs a little air at the joint
@timdaugherty59214 жыл бұрын
No bells at crossings??
@babalui668 ай бұрын
I'd love to live in some of these places that are on the tracks. They are distributing the coal for Christmas stockings.
@raymondleggs55084 жыл бұрын
Free Model railroad scenery material!
@ruffian29524 жыл бұрын
If you have a roofing shingle manufacturer nearby, the grit used on the shingles comes in all sorts of shades. I used some for ballast in a yard and along the line. Scenery next.
@albertcyphers15324 жыл бұрын
The loader operator needs to learn how to balance a load
@fastcsx14124 жыл бұрын
I don’t think it’s as much as the load and more just the speed on that type of tracks
@aaronb76314 жыл бұрын
@@fastcsx1412 Someone needs to fix the ballast!
@rasputinlenin66994 жыл бұрын
That’s what’s known as careless overloading. The quarry can be slammed with a massive fine and the railroad can get slapped by a huge fine for not stopping the overload and and potentially causing a derailment due to continuing the trip with a severely overloaded train. In all of my years driving I have never seen a fellow engineer to have zero respect for his/her job.
@DarkVoidIII4 жыл бұрын
I wonder who loads their stone cars for them? It seems that a few choice words from their boss should get them to load the stone on the cars a little more safely. Oh well, maybe the management at the stone quarry doesn't care.
@23Skadoosh4 жыл бұрын
It was just pouring one out for the homies
@franceselainethurston16064 жыл бұрын
These cars look very old and tired; that surprises me as I thought trains were well kept.
@JsMisc4 жыл бұрын
New cars are more expensive, that is why the MMID bought secondhand CSX cars.
@JsMisc4 жыл бұрын
@@iandenton1406, I didn't understand that sentence but ok.
@taslimchoudhary12534 жыл бұрын
Awesome Video 🌱🌱🇮🇳🌱🌱
@Lucileiagomes8154 жыл бұрын
this horn looks like mrs, all, brado, vli, vll brazilian railway company
@Lil_Pennsy4 жыл бұрын
It’s like a whip😂😵
@robertpurdy7019 ай бұрын
At 5:35 another foamer is standing in a switch. Very easy mistake to make that can get you killed messing around on railroad property. Stuff like that is why the railroads dislike buffs.
@jimbroeker37944 жыл бұрын
That train was geting its rocks off
@JsMisc4 жыл бұрын
Signals at New Windsor must've seen better days.
@old_bayrailfan53123 жыл бұрын
oh yes
@lw72384 жыл бұрын
Are you stalking that last car, sure seems to be.
@sd90mac614 жыл бұрын
OMG, 😯😲😱😵that engineer needs to slow his ass down jus a bit, with those tracks a bit off level and off set overloaded cars, thats a receipe for disaster, my goodness, that was some scary shitt😱😵!!!! And of all places right at a crossing, that's jus bad, bad, BAD!!!!!!!!! THAT'S WHY YOU DONT STOP RIGHT IN FRONT OF A CROSSING, IVE SEEN TRAINS BOUNCE UP AND DOWN ON THE CROSSNS AS WELL, PRETTY SCARY STUFF I TELL YOU😭😭 THANKS FOR SHARING THIS WITH ME, great job.👍
@michaelcharisseguymon19234 жыл бұрын
They need a slow order on that section of track until it can be repaired.
@kevineckert60734 жыл бұрын
It's on now 🤣
@old_bayrailfan53123 жыл бұрын
ok
@geosutube4 жыл бұрын
MOW problem at the yard.
@HuntGamingProductions4 жыл бұрын
5:39 unless thts manual never stand htere
@CrossbuckProductions4 жыл бұрын
That part of the switch does not move, and all of MM’s yard switches are in fact manual.
@HuntGamingProductions4 жыл бұрын
@@CrossbuckProductions ahh ok never know till you say so
@Railfan2254 жыл бұрын
Nice
@wonst1864 жыл бұрын
Last car over-filled on the end, person doing the loading not capable of doing their job, or (most likely) doesn't care...