4K | Pilot's View | My First Landing at Aspen In Bad Weather

Challenger 300 landing at Aspen (KASE), descending through thunderstorms and winds gusting on final. Filmed with the Hero 9
0:00 - Descent
10:26 - Approach Set Up
14:04 - Visual Approach
17:31 - Final
19:46 - Taxing

[@kiddi3smalls]

“No need to explain just go”😂

[@martinporter6478]

This comment alone shows how poor the captains crm was. Clearly hasn’t got confidence in his own flying. If I was his FO, id be your control boss, you show me how its done

[@quackgarage9551]

Lol, I cringed at that moment. Great video but overall some pretty terrible CRM, I can almost smell the captain's weirdness and lack of confidence, waaaaaaaaay too flustered and insecure. I would absolutely NOT feel comfortable flying with that guy.

[@keyboard5494]

I remember the 80s when I was approaching Aspen in a simulator...Solo Flight on a Commodore 64. Two lines on the green screen for the runway and some triangles for the mountains. Thank you so much for your video and happy landings from Germany.

[@IrishDave]

This is the first time I've watched any aviation landing on KZbin and genuinely felt the stress of the approach. Great job man. I bet the relief when handing over to captain after landing for taxi was nice.

[@jaytee6960]

lol same. I've watched a LOT of landings on YT and I actually felt stressed. Good job.

[@musamali7858]

What a magnificent landing! The communication is on point and having you guys always offer assistance is great! I hope to be an amazing pilot like you someday! You have amazing skills in the cockpit.

[@leonolasco8284]

x2

[@martinporter6478]

I would disagree here, the guy in left seat clearly doesn’t have confidence. Correcting the guy every 2 seconds, speed, flaps, no do that, pull the speedbrake, etc only throws the flying guy off. Unless he was critically unstable and not correcting. But clearly hes a rated pilot and probably doesn’t need as much correction. This isn’t the best crm

[@austinroberts2403]

@@martinporter6478agreed. A very poor example of CRM… very much micromanagement at its finest. You can hear the FOs frustration “Yep yep yep!” With every minute command from the captain.

[@liltimmyvr6328]

Omg all I here is yap yap from you two above me. In case you guys don’t know the person on the left is the captain who is in charge so when the senior officer or co-pilot does something incorrect the captain has priority. Plus it was a great landing.

[@6ix782]

@@liltimmyvr6328 still unnecessary on some inputs. Its not all what he said but how he said it. "No need to explain, just go." That is not how you make a crew feel comfortable. Further exacerbated by the micro-managing inputs of the captain. Nothing to shoot your confidence down than someone sitting there telling you everything youre doing wrong right as its happening.

[@pillarobert]

You are the best, always quality and professionalism!

[@Aviate68]

WOW! That was incredible! Lots of communication between pilot flying and pilot monitoring. Love it! This will be an invaluable resource for me while getting familiar with the CL650 in Xplane 12.

[@DW-od8jx]

That was Awesome! Aspen is no joke. Good job on the landing!

[@pillarobert]

wonderful and your my inspiration; thank you for your expertise

[@paulocabral094]

Fantastic and to stress. Good job.

[@CaribFLYChannel]

Wonderful landing man. Earned a sub !!

[@TheChallengerPilot]

Thanks! appreciate it

[@KingSDott]

Wow nice work!

[@jameslanning8405]

'No vis on anything,' had my attention! You want to get down out of the clouds... But in that environment, the terrain, could be a nasty surprise if you're in the wrong spot! I bet you had the anti-ice on in that mess! Leading edges, props, pitot heat, windscreen if you had it, all going! It sounded like ice until you got a bit lower. You could see the big rain splattering!

[@yantauyantau4324]

Smooth landing!

[@zeroniner6m76]

beautiful landing mate

[@fingerhorn4]

Incredible weather and flying. However not so sure about the CRM. It's not clear who is PIC here and who is not. Agreeing on something is fine, but it sounds like an instruction flight with left seat barking orders that are way more than friendly advice. Nevertheless mighty impressed how you got down in what look to be nightmarish conditions.

[@TheChallengerPilot]

I get what you are saying, it was a tricky situation for the captain. It was my first Aspen landing in pretty poor weather conditions, so I bet he wasn’t feeling 100% comfortable. Im guessing he was decreasing the margins for possible mistakes by not letting the plane get away from us.

[@adamcaminata6251]

Completely agree. Didn’t hear a lot of “standard calls” that bombardier teaches either. Still, good communication..Pulled it out in the end.

[@swingtheB]

Pretty poor CRM from both pilots. Captain dismissing when you discussed the valley and the turns you are going to make- he should be receptive to that and make sure what you are conceptualizing is the same as what he is. Also when the captain kindly offers to give you some guidance and you decline it that’s in poor form- just because you’re visual doesn’t mean you shouldn’t use all available means to help you get down- l even more so since you’re not on path. In any case thanks for posting- it’s a tough airport and a good teaching tool.

[@_pocketsand]

awesome vid!

[@brunogt1982]

Scare stuff thanks to technology makes everything look’s easy, and awesome pilots like you guys.

[@pvpparticle2623]

Bravo 👏 that was a really good landing. I can't even do that in the sim.

[@shaiayalon6221]

well done mate

[@Joeshu1000]

Had to work for that one. Well done.

[@adolforuiz3723]

Excelente

[@FL510_J]

Nice job, definitely a high workload approach. Can see the winds shift over the highway, from a stiff crosswind, slight tailwind, and then calm. That's common when you have winds out of the west on final. The blue "Anti Ice Fault" and ATC calls right at transition level made for a nice distraction from setting the altimeter. One thing that stood out CRM wise, I got the impression @13:00 and again @13:40 that the PF was expecting a right 360 to join final approach. But the left seat guy knew otherwise, so was prompting for early gear and flaps straight to 20°. But maybe not. Speaking of the approach, ASE isn't the place to be loading the FMS visual. Especially with the default 3° glidepath in the box. Just load the LOC DME-E and request that (straight in). It is used more than the current RNAV-F approach. That way you have vertical guidance up to the FAF. Then when you report the field in sight (hopefully at or before DOYPE), join the PAPI. No need to dip below it and get 4 red (it looks steeper than usual, as it is a 3.5° PAPI, but can still make the same turnoff). Plus, with the approach loaded in the FMS, you have a missed approach ready if you get told to go missed. And hopefully a late go-around was briefed, as you don't just fly the published procedure at that point. Oh, on final, forget the "follow the highway and fly down the valley stuff". When tower said "line straight up on final", they say that for a reason. Opposite direction traffic off of RW33 is often on the LINDZ departure procedure that wraps around the final approach course for inbound traffic to RW15. The Challenger does great at Aspen, especially with the ability to use spoilers with flaps. Just don't mess with tailwinds > 10 kts! Not sure if you have the optional multi-scan radar, but that is a big improvement. Again, nice job dealing with a busy approach in the weather.

[@TheChallengerPilot]

Appreciate the feedback, first time into Aspen. We loaded the procedure into the fms just for the go around. Our plan was to cross Red Table VOR and then descend to the Valley as the challenger can't do that 6.6 degree approach and the company only lets you land visually at ASE. Wanted to give myself a little extra room in terms of approach steepness, so tried to lose altitude quite early to not even entertain the possibility of a go around if im too high. I was honestly expecting a right 360 or something like that to lose some altitude cause that's how I pictured it in my head from all the preparation we had for the flight (which most wasn't in the video). Once again appreciate the feedback

[@FL510_J]

@@TheChallengerPilot Sure thing, extra room is always good going in there! FYI, that's a common misconception on the Challenger. The limitation is on "approaches with a Glidepath of 4.5° or greater" and does not apply to approaches that don't have an actual GP, such as the LOC DME-E. The advisory glidepath won't even be shown in the final segment of that approach, passing DOYPE. I think the Bombardier Advisory Committee / Pilot Liaison group put something out on that years ago.

[@danielhawley6817]

INTENSE. The approach is touch enough - throw in turbulence, low ceiling and a gusting crosswind and you have about 9.2 on a scale of 10 difficulty.

[@dvsteve71]

Great job. I wonder how many passengers kissed that tarmac when disembarking.

[@simonbellamy67]

What a rush! Liked ane subbed i think this channel is worth it......

[@TheChallengerPilot]

Thanks! appreciate it

[@idekav.]

Such a beautiful cockpit

[@danmoretti8898]

Geez man! Crazy shit right there, great job

[@IsraelLiveNews]

Dayum

[@oksoripc]

랜딩기어 언제 펴나요? 스위치 작동 장면 못봄 ㅠㅠ

[@regain2acontrol562]

Aspen....mmmmm, California.... Great communication and teamwork!

[@yta7777777]

Wow, excellent job!!! Unreal!!! Subscribed😊

[@TheChallengerPilot]

Thanks, appreciate it!

[@Dan737MASTER]

I don’t see any problems with CRM here. Aspen can be gnarly, especially for your first time there in bad weather. On approaches like that, I’d rather have over communication than lack of. Nice work 🤘🏼

[@theclassicliberal1915]

1 of my favorite airports to land at in Microsoft flight Sim. I land the C-17 there and the approach is fun and takes a lot of concentration. So incredible props for landing there in real life and with weather.

[@yta7777777]

I've been practicing with the Working Title CJ4. So much fun... if I get that under control I just might try the C-17😊 MSFS is a blast!

[@theclassicliberal1915]

@@yta7777777 flying in MFS right now. Incredible sim. DCS as well

[@alladin6164]

Nice job, great control and exceptional CRM. What aircraft is this ?

[@gunterchain]

Challenger 300

[@alladin6164]

@gunterchain Thank you, Sir.

[@kinetic693]

That shit was no joke. Was this some sort of training flight? Unless the other pilot was just helping with info so you could keep your eyes out the window.

[@TheChallengerPilot]

Complicated approach, first time there, he was just giving inputs for the safety of the crew, better be safe than sorry

[@d47m122]

I was stressed just watching that.

[@christerry1773]

This guy musta had the time of his life

[@natebot321]

Nice job man. I’ve made approaches in similarly challenging conditions. It’s definitely a workout! Phew.

[@TheChallengerPilot]

you bet, my right hand was a little sore after this one

[@scottallen8950]

I would've been freaking out in the back.

[@louisdaniel4515]

well done bud. id always turn of the FD when flying Visually, it just distracts

[@TheChallengerPilot]

I get what you’re saying, wasn’t looking at it at all obviously 😅

[@topofthegreen]

And they wonder why pilots make so much money, nicely done!

[@LazerDon271]

Regional pilots don't make a lot honestly. $50-80k.

[@craftykoala]

Bad day for an anti-ice fault, what ended up happening with that? Appreciate all your videos!

[@TheChallengerPilot]

played with it a little and it came back, not sure why it decided to give us some trouble worked on the ground test before departure

[@evanm6739]

Why do you keep the discontinuity in the computer that erks me

[@TheChallengerPilot]

usually we keep it to remind us that we are on heading mode and not Nav

[@evanm6739]

@@TheChallengerPilot I see

[@Erik-jx2gt]

What kind of airplaine is this?

[@TheChallengerPilot]

Challenger 300

[@Erik-jx2gt]

@@TheChallengerPilot ok thx

[@hariranormal5584]

What plane is this?

[@TheChallengerPilot]

Challenger 300

[@oksoripc]

B737 기종 맞나요?

[@JIMJAMSC]

That landing gear lever is small with no length or throw to it.

[@atp6064]

Flight directors would be turned off for a visual approach in my company!

[@TheChallengerPilot]

Inget what youre saying, wasn’t looking at it at all obviously 😅

[@elliotverhaeren1945]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/nIqTamV4f7ilisU You can tell they're not very comfortable with the approach.

[@TheChallengerPilot]

Sure had to fight with the plane quite a lot on final approach, winds were gusting up to 40 knots in a direct crosswind

[@elliotverhaeren1945]

​@@TheChallengerPilot "Oh yeah okay, we didn't see on the dashboard that there were gusts over 40 knots. Well done. Honestly, was your heart really pounding?"

[@austinroberts2403]

I’m not sure if this was your first time coming into ASE, but my god the captain is doing you a major disservice with all of the constant chatter and directive attempts at CRM. He needs to relax a little bit with the CFI style of pilot monitoring. Correct it if it’s an issue but he doesn’t need to tell you every second what to do.

[@TheChallengerPilot]

It was my first time there

[@austinroberts2403]

@@TheChallengerPilotyou did a great job. Good communication of your intentions, good ADM with the weather!

[@TheChallengerPilot]

@@austinroberts2403 thanks, appreciate it

[@Amuzze]

Jesus Christ this captain is nervous in the service… gusty conditions and he wants you flying exactly Vref the whole approach… then talks about speed being low when your at ref on short final…

[@swingtheB]

You’re supposed to fly v ref as you Cross over the threshold at 50ft- not when you’re on approach. That’s what v app is for…

[@briand3837]

Not the definition of a stabilized approach. If there are that many rain showers surrounding that small valley creating downdrafts, turbulence, and crosswinds, maybe not the best day to land there.

[@Amuzze]

The approach was perfectly stabilized… have you ever landed at ASE before? This was one of the better wx days I’ve seen there.

[@737SFP3]

God I hate the challenger glareshield, looks so cluttered and toy-ish. Nice approach though!

[@dennisstoesz]

Bad weather ????

[@TheChallengerPilot]

Bad weather isnt always very low visibility or extreme rain. The descent was quite turbulent and with icing conditions, plus relatively low ceilings over an already complex airport environment including crosswind up to 40 knots with gusts on final, so I would say that its pretty bad weather.

[@yta7777777]

@@TheChallengerPilotAbsolutely that's bad weather! First time into Aspen... wild!!! Excellent job man. This is the best Aspen video I've ever seen! Subscribed and hoping for much more content😊

[@dennisstoesz]

Overcontrollingblike a madman.

[@FL510_J]

That's not over controlling. Normal yoke movement in gusty conditions. Mix of traditional ailerons with electronically controlled roll spoilers that are operated hydraulically. You often have to put control inputs in until it responds and then take them out.