4K Rant about why Chinese EVs are bad (warning: entertainment only)

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[@bluefoxtv1566]

I agree with the sounds. EV's offer a quiet ride and they spoil it with constant sounds.

[@Moolers]

I love it when I can tell exactly where you are at the beginning of the video. I was cross country skiing on the other side of that fence two days ago.

[@RuffyDotOne]

Yooooo, what’s up 😂😂😂. You made it, thanks for the video 👍 (kept your word 😊👍). Next will be rant about German cars? Like: kWh/h or OEManufacturer lag or „not possible to do OTA because the car stands not on flat ground” or… 😂

[@Jonathan-un4yy]

More of podcast videos!!

[@SwamiSoeiroJr]

I had an experience with BYD. I think they are strangely “musical”. I didn’t like it. Maybe they are designing them with an eye on US because Americans love musicals.

[@darkho0]

I have the MG ZS EV european version. I think the "lack" of software on it actually makes it good. Too much bad software (like the MG5 / MG4 or the new MG ZS EV) ruins the experience. Very satisfied with the lack of software in my "old" MG ZS EV.

[@jansun999]

So there’s a «Yo!» mode on Teslas ? 😂 hoping for a «whassup?» mode in the model 2!

[@nickfish4385]

It’s a cost issue for the slow charging. Higher speed of charging requires higher cost components. In the end you get what you pay for. If Xpeng G9 is released in Norway, it would be very interesting to see if there is any place in Norway that can match the limit of the charging speed of this model. Saw their own charging station began in operation charging up G6 crazy in China.

[@karlitono]

Coming Q4 23 We do have 350kWh chargers, but not 480.

[@richard--s]

@@karlitono it stops after it has charged 350kWh? ;-) I think, you mean 350kW chargers. Yes, that's really fast when the car can handle it - or it's even still fast when two cars share a charger, 175kW max for each of the two cars at the same time - in case charger sharing is done there. Or one car is nearly full and it takes less than 80 kW and the second car just arrived at that same charger and it can take much more from it. That makes sense!

[@mario_supermd6504]

I appreciate your fair view without bias over all cars, Tesla included! I’m not Joke-ing 😂

[@insevanhouts]

The Hyundai Ioniq had a terrible start up and shut down sound too. Located and disconnected that speaker ASAP.

[@ani_b]

Chinese EVs grinds Bjørn's gears 😂😂👏

[@dennislyon5412]

Chinese cars have nice looking interiors, and sometimes there’s some strange things that show up in them too. Suspension is too soft. Maybe that’s why Chinese like American Buick cars?

[@Thulebeez]

Yo Bjorn so the conclusion is Chinese cars good value for money , while Germans better execution of technology ,while the Americas Leading in everything expect quality. Any future rants about Japanese EV looking forward to that one.

[@madspedersen214]

Hei! kan du gjøre en Road Trip med model y og henger "med litt vekt" ? :) planlegger ferie med yp og campingvogn..

[@NizarFaizul]

The loud chimes even extend to the door locks. German & Japanese cars have perfected the lock ‘beep’ or half honk chirp (mercedes) and it’s tolerable. Some China cars however, like Geely has no shame in giving a LOUD honk every-time you lock & unlock or forget the key fob in your car. I live near a commercial zone and I can guess the car by the noise it makes when the owners lock them. It’s just madness, and certain things like the cornering lights- they’ll just blast full on LED fog lights every half turn of the steering & unfortunately Volvo now also does this, not surprising since Volvo is part of Geely. If you’re waiting for an oncoming car to pass through a narrow street dodging parked cars the LED fog lights come on and off like a mad light show. I notice German & some Japanese models would fade the corner lights on and off and it’s not so jarring even with LED’s. And goodluck if you’re waiting at traffic lights and the oncoming car has their turn signal on, or their steering slightly turned, their cornering lights will blind you

Except Mercedes for the Germans. They do the honk too.

[@stefanvanvuuren3931]

Lol, and then my ad on this video is from BYD.

[@Wofinet]

Great rant. If I had a spit like that I’d be in all sorts of trouble. But you owned it. 👍😂

[@rui569]

Chinese car's software have ways to go...

[@thomtheunissen5827]

I agree with your argument 👍

[@lunlar]

In Thailand it is because slippery road, and tiers without any 》》》

[@kycl]

And here I am thinking I'm the only mofo taping up these speaker holes on my kids toys.....haha 🤣 so true.

[@fredrik7814]

It can be hard for Bjørn to cross the chinese border in the future

[@bjornnyland]

Why do you think I want to go to China?

[@fredrik7814]

@@bjornnyland Jeg tror ikke noe som helst . Veit bare at det er ingen som er mere hårsåre enn kineserne. 😁 Jeg kan ikke spå fremtiden men intill det motsatte er bevist skal bilen være tysk

[@willmac5642]

Cdnt buy a car which reminds me to Build Your Dreams everytime I shop at Big C

[@CaryInVictoria]

Oh, Bjørn, you're in trouble now! BTW, surely not Geely.

[@JustMeTalking]

It would've been funny to just cut the video at the end mid sentence

[@jeffreyhampton9130]

I saw something about rust issues with some BYD models. Anybody have info on this?

[@essentials1016]

Chinese often dont build to last. Thats why it is cheap.

[@allan8490]

Yep,saw this on The Electric Vikings channel and Australia does not salt roads in winter

[@felgen24]

I heard some chatter about it also, will be interesting to know more.

[@dr.andersonsghost4315]

Are you referring to the wrecked ATTO3 that had been bought from a junkyard by a salvager? If so, that car had a crash and landed in the sea, which caused salt water corrosion to the damaged bodywork.

[@Lucas-wp2ph]

@@essentials1016 Just like German cars. Both are POS. Friends w213 have not reached 100k km yet and has faild inspection twice here in Finland. At the moment the engine is out for a vacuum pump failure that caused brake malfanction. If you want poorly made shit, buy Chinese and German.

[@randomdriver]

Have you tried any Zeekr 001 Chinese EV yet? They could be quite similar than Volvo/Polestar since it is made by Geely. I wonder if those too are too ding dongy and annoying.

[@hyy3657]

Geely is more traditional

[@ericvet8b]

And when it goes below a certain percentage, and stops showing you range

[@Zedus-rl9hp]

They just copied the wrong german car 😜

[@bjornnyland]

Also applies to many Japanese cars.

[@kycl]

@@bjornnyland reminds me of those speed limits beep in the jap cars back in the 1990s

[@hwanju94]

Is it right to pronounce 'x-peng' in english? I've found that some koreans call it more like 'Shao-pung'. I want to know which is right.

[@hwanju94]

@@user-mj9tr3ym5t thanks for information! By the way, is it any difference in pronunciation between ciao/xiao/shao? I'm not Chinese speaker so it sounds all same to me.

[@Hvitserk67]

​@@user-mj9tr3ym5t So the name is pronounced Xiaoping like Deng Xiaoping only with an e instead of i at the end of the word?

[@theWebmasterify]

@@hwanju94 yeah there is and it's a pain to learn as a European 🥲

[@tpn3561]

The founder said you can, but to me it's not right. Peng is his name and xiao means something like "little...junior" and it's often used in front of the names. You won't find any chinese pronuncing it ex-peng (also the original pronunciation is nice, the other i find it not nice at all)

[@zachlafond2652]

Toyota seatbelt noise will make a person drive into oncoming traffic. Very annoying. Sometimes i don't feel like wearing my seatbelt (short drive thru the neighborhood) yet i have to because i'll go insane from the noise.

[@yhfsywfit]

Seatbelt alarms should have a 30-second snooze button.

[@zimben8]

For u then , the car should not even start.

[@pawefiett2468]

Chinese EVs are just like Chinese smartphones - 250 megapixel camera but no good software behind it. And then you have iPhone with its 12 mpx and way better pictures. Hyundai - Samsung, Tesla - iPhone, X-peng - Xiaomi, NIO - OnePlus...

[@huboz0r]

Didn't know you speak fluent Mandarin. :D Awesome podcast - we need more of these ! Chinese cars are just not 'world class' yet, they lack refinement and a globally acceptable user interface. Judging from all the reviews they seem primarily designed for the domestic market. You may see the odd Chinese car in some pro-EV European countries, but there is no wide adoption at all - it's not the target market (yet). They can not be compared to the scale Mercedes, BMW or Tesla operate at globally. But at the speed things are going, might not be long before we see some serious world class competition.

[@JPetr94]

5:11 😂

[@Timo-qb1gf]

How about the spongy brake pedals and boat like handling, while still being harsh? Haven't driven them all but the driving dynamics in general are just poor.

[@kingprone7846]

considerate is the word you are looking for

[@markumbers5362]

May I add this too please. The interior bling of the BYD Atto 3 and Dolphin is really stupid looking. Those oversize air vents are hideous and what is the point of the strings on the doors. It really makes the car look cheap. Now there is a rust issue.

[@MKTED62]

are there any people in Norway I've never seen roads so empty...

[@bjornnyland]

They are in their caves

[@teslarossa2896]

ABC - always bash chinese

[@tzeimet]

I don't have any problem with Chinese EVs for now. The European makers are ripping off the customer in countries like Germany where there are heavy EV subsidies. My Peugeot e208 cost 32,000€ (before Peugeot increased the prices to benefit more from the EV grant). The exact same car costs 35,300€ today, and comes with less features as standard (e.g. the 11kW OBC isn't included any more). Now some people are going to squawk on about how the costs have gone up, but all the while Stellantis (Peugeot's parent company) made 16.8 billion € in profit in 2022 (record profits despite war and chip shortages). Now MG, offers the MG4 Luxury for roughly the same price in Germany, with better charging, more range, more features and better comfort. The Chinese manufacturers and Tesla funnily enough are helping to offer cars at a good price, and hopefully correct the poor business practices of the European manufacturers.

[@Hamdad]

Well I hope they damn well improve quickly because they're the only EVs most Americans can afford currently

[@RTH1992]

When are you testing nio ET7?

[@chengcao418]

@@user-mj9tr3ym5t he said it's going to be tested along with a bunch of others before April

[@leluyaa]

Think he already tested it, remember him going: Yeah, it is strong/ Fast 😅

[@mario_supermd6504]

What about the chime when putting on the BMW i3 (aka the ancestor), i found it amusing..

[@garrycroft4215]

I coded my i3s Bongs to the Rolls Royce chimes.

[@foreverwhisper]

Just a reminder to Bjorn, when you compare different models from different makers, take the retail prices into consideration, not the prices in Europe, but in China, before 2023.

[@CaryInVictoria]

...but Chinese car manufactures are learning fast. I'm old enough to remember that in the 1950's and 60's Japan had a reputation for producing nothing but junk. We all know where they are now. Later South Korea and Taiwan came on strong, producing high quality, innovative products. Right behind China today are India and many other countries. Sadly, Russia is not one of them.

[@DEEPNNN]

I'm hearing rumors the BYD Atto 3 is exhibiting surface rust in less than 6 months. Electric Viking is where I heard about it.

[@dr.andersonsghost4315]

Are you referring to the wrecked ATTO3 that had been bought from a junkyard by a salvager? If so, that car had a crash and landed in the sea, which caused salt water corrosion to the damaged bodywork.

[@DEEPNNN]

@@dr.andersonsghost4315 Thanks, it might be, though this is the first I've heard of that too. I live in Canada and that type of surface rust usually doesn't show until after five years of salty winter roads. I'm speculating a salty submersion of a brand new car, that was probably removed from the sea rather quickly, would show that much corrosion. That's me looking at the pictures and going by experience. I can't know if any of the information presented is accurate, including yours.

[@dr.andersonsghost4315]

@@DEEPNNN We don't know what kind of damage the crash had caused to the body, and we also don't know how long the car had been parked at the junkyard, and whether the junkyard is also close to the sea. Salt water corrosion is no joke. I lived in Galveston, Texas back in the 90s, and any part of your car that has exposed metal (e.g. from chipped paint) would get rusty in a few short months from constant exposure to moist salty air.

[@frodeandersen1842]

@@dr.andersonsghost4315 It's not only one car. See this : kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKTLmpWfa7loo8U

[@zeyuli5470]

Xpeng G9 charges at over 300kw. Wish you test it in the future.

[@Jajalaatmaar]

Yes please. Quite hyped for this car in Europe.

[@jungleent1972]

You're so getting ballooned

[@giorgosa]

is it the 1st 4K video of the channel?

[@bjornnyland]

No

[@nettlesoup]

I've suddenly started seeing a lot more 2160p options in videos recently on mobile. I wonder if it's just KZbin offering upscaling from 1080p rather than native 4K recording?

[@tobias..6688]

Bjørn has native 4k

[@SuperEgleh]

EV journalists praise fast charging speeds, but the battery science, while young, still is pretty clear; dc fast charging is harmful for long term battery soh, and especially done in very low or high temperatures. I strongly doubt all these journalists know more about the limits than the engineers actually making choices about batteries, charging and hvac systems. it could very well be that manufacturers have prioritized long term SOH over getting the absolutely fastest charging speed, like toyota probably did with the bz4x, but more or less lied about the practical range. the problem is that we as consumers will only know the truth about longeviety many years from now. so, for me, a car with low fast charging speeds isnt necessarily a bad car, it might even be an indication that it will be a long lasting car, in other words "a good car".

[@lucas7793]

To be honest, the Tesla Autopilot on/off sound annoys me even in your Livestreams. Classic Ioniq is also a little bit annoying with the sounds. Interestingly the German cars are the least annoying, when it comes to chimes and dings. My Mach-E also has some annoying sound, but I'm okay with it.

[@bjornnyland]

*To be honest

[@kingprone7846]

I really like Teslas AP sounds and the error (du du du) sound

[@claessjostrom565]

I do love the way the CATL battery chargers in the Tesla RWD, I agree with you about Chinese being very noisy, in Hong Kong we call them mainlanders.

[@zimben8]

lll

[@OrikkO78]

5:35 You ment "considerate" I think.

[@Toyopet3]

I was thinking “subdued”

[@charlesbridgford254]

Respectful.

[@AndreaDeBernardi]

The solution is shwapss!

[@Lee-il9qk]

I think the GB/T 20234.3-2015 (Guo Biao , National Standard in China) limits the maximum current of the charger to 250A，that‘s why those cars charge slow. Even the VW ID.series are limited to a maximum of 91kW by the charger.kzbin.info/www/bejne/anu1dJ6Cl71lj9k But BYD Han,Tang,Seal and Xpeng G9 are the same as hyundai ioniq 5, use 4PIN rear motor as inverter, battery pack voltage reaches 550V-640V. BYD seal can reach 150kW on 250A charger, Xiaopeng G9 can reach 200kW (3C battery version,the 4C version has a maximum of 480kW in the Xpeng charger).

[@vettivadivelrajavadivel8730]

Hi Bjørn, I am getting a Tesla model Y next week. Do I have to worry about ''phantom breaking''. Is it still a problem in Norge?

[@Lascarnn]

I don't see why it would relate only to some countries. :) Tesla is not doing any significant progress with autopilot. Phantom braking will happen or will not. Or some other problem can happen. You don't know. This is their approach, they're kinda testing it on customers. edit: Thanks @John Doe, fixed

[@PaperCoffeeTable]

It can still happen, but it has been massively improved over the years. I haven't had any phantom braking since last summer.

[@JohnDoe-xr8dz]

@@Lascarnn it's 'braking'

[@RM-sd5yw]

Hey Bjorn can you do a test drive on the EL7 please 🙏

[@Valgraph82]

Random unnecessary noises is always there on cheap chinese electronic knockoffs. :P

[@raghuramkalyanam]

Nice, want one more rant from Chinese cars.

[@tuomomakitalo5128]

So a Chinese car is like an European EV from Wish? Not that well copied.

[@JackPan]

I am Chinese. Chinese cars are indeed crap.

[@fredrik7814]

😆

[@tridruankham2657]

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[@Brandofviti]

I would not dare to buy a chinese EV. Sure the noises aka notifications time and time again might cause me to "accidentally" shoot it.(I fear that part would not be covered by warranty) It is not about the quality . It is about Russia.. I see how we sanction them for Ukraine. And I do not trust China not to do the same to Taiwan. Yeah, if I need parts for my car? I would really really not want to have my car sanctioned.

[@byddf]

1. Not very fast charge as Tesla. 2. Not very fast acceleration as Tesla. 3. Chinese EVs are both Chinese-made product and Chinese product, then they are not trustable as Tesla or Western/Japanese/Korean EVs. Launch oversea factory/factories may helps. 4. Chinese EVs' lifetimes are also in questions. There are many 2012 or older Tesla cars that shown how long lifetime and how good durability and reliability Tesla cars are.

[@patrickmaartense7772]

had a bunch of chineese neighbours in my Apartment in manila, loud is an understatement :-)

[@vlad2838]

And that’s not even considering the rampant rust spots on the BYDs. Shee-it.

[@mdjey2]

Salz smutz 😁

[@bob-qi4nr]

wooohaaaa

[@moestrei]

Always remember that Chinese cars are cheap for ALL the wrong reasons.

[@tmyrdal]

All chinas car have software and all that they whant us the user to fit ourself to theirs system. The chines car manudfactores do not chacne the software and costrumize it to the country they sels their cars to. They have it that you the costumer most costumize your self to the way the chines car manufacturer whant you to behave and use their cars. All other car brand is costu8mizing their software to the cxountry they are selling the car to. So it fits the users in that country. Chinise car brand never do that.

[@niklasbartholet8544]

As a german i Support german Automobile 👍

[@bobo-san]

My big concern about chinese cars: they just copy technology and don't bring smart technology by themselves; like in school when you are copying from someone who knows the answers 😂. The other big thing: I wonder if the cars has a hidden kill switch... think about Huawei is suspected and lot of countries don't buy Huawei hardware any more 🤔

[@zyrtec455]

It’s about employees talents as well. If you are really good at software development western car company ex.tesla would likely offer a higher salary which increases the cost and reflects to the higher price of products

[@vjungesz1]

I am sooo agree about Chinese people :D and in a same time also about Japanese people

[@Toyopet3]

The Chinese people in the market for an EV would prefer, and will buy, an imported EV. But only they can afford it. Otherwise they’ll settle for a locally made EV. Somebody said this, but I can’t remember who. It may have been you, Bjorn.

[@leobreevoort9151]

This used to be true (for ICE) up to two or three years ago. Then the foreign brands dominated the market with about 65% market share, sometimes even 70%. Since the arrival of "Weixiaoli" (Nio-Xpeng-Li Auto) things are changing very quickly. These brands have become the highest in reputation, beating BBA (Benz-BMW-Audi). And in their wake, homegrown brands have flourished. I think year-to-date, Chinese brands have over 50% market share, so the foreigners lost at least 15% in three years. There are a couple of reasons for this: -Domestic cars used to be based on outdated technology left over from the joint ventures. But the Chinese set up their own R&D and have caught up with the foreigners (mostly). -Chinese buyers generally find the foreign cars lacking in digital technology. Bjorn complains about it, but in China it apparantly works rather well. They think VW or Toyota is not as advanced as Nio or Xpeng, or even BYD (that used to be considered a budget brand). -Chinese designs are more adventurous than foreign ones and domestic brands react to new trends much quicker. BEV market share is not equal for all segments. Cheap city cars are already 100% BEV and every single one of them is domestic. No foreign brands even available. BEV market share in the premium class (Tesla and up) is somewhere around 40 to 50%. Big players here are Tesla and "Weixiaoli", with the Chinese legacies now entering the game with new premium brands (Voyah, Zhiji IM, Feifan, Avatr, Shenlan, Aito, Zeekr, Yangwang, SAR, etc). BBA used to dominate the premium segment, but their EVs are not selling well. The main battlefield remaining is mainstream, where BEV has around 10% share. The foreigners still have a chance here, but the door is closing very quickly. BYD and Aion already scaled up massively, NIO is coming to town with Alps and Firefly sub-brands and budget startups like Neta and Leapmotor have their first models in this space. The foreigners need to hurry up, else they'll be marginalized. So far, Tesla is the only foreign brand considered to be in the same league as the domestic newcomers and even they can't be certain of their market appeal.

[@byddf]

I think this video or this story should have the Thai version. 1. To stop some Thai people from buying Chinese EVs. 2. To make Western/Japanese car companies understand that some Thai people decided to bought Chinese EVs because you (Western/Japanese car companies) don't sell EVs in Thailand with the good prices, not because they preferred to Chinese EVs.

[@MAR771N]

Japanese ev are shit and western ev are too expensive

[@Quak3cry]

The largest issue is supporting the Chinese state and letting them have all control they'd like over the car. Never know what they're able to do or not. Especially since the chinese state is granted insight into and control of all chinese companies. Perhaps there's sanctions suddenly and they brick your car! Chinese are only able to copy what others have done, they cannot make something from the ground up themselves.

[@Lucas-wp2ph]

And they also have the most patents approved year after year😁

[@theolich4384]

I see you’re good at copy pasting from the flip card. You Chinese?

[@silversill1323]

The Chinese government will even hack into your brain, with the help of some stolen American technology!

[@Quak3cry]

@@user-mj9tr3ym5t enjoy your newly added social credit score!

[@ensteffo]

The largest issue is indoctrinated western supremacy with its hundreds of years of extreme racist orientalism always finding new excuses which obviously are reducing the market choice for western racists.

[@gladarambo4898]

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[@KrisDouglas]

Third lol

[@tridrean]

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