4MS Meta Module first impressions

[@OmriCohen-Music]

As I mention in the video, I’m working on a whole series of videos about the Meta module, so please let me know if there’s anything special you would like to see, and if you have any questions about it.

[@GeorgeLocke]

What happens if you patch it in an audio feedback loop? There will be some delay, just curious how easy it is to control. Also, ask Leonardo if he would consider Vult modules in there.

[@Trollgaldrer]

I would like to know if it is possible to just use this as a standalone unit 😅

[@bonaventura_AKA_ben]

Just sent a note to 4ms asking to get involved with development of the Meta Module. Hope they respond!

[@chitlun]

@@OmriCohen-Music Are you able to sample into it? A looping function would be amazing!

[@OmriCohen-Music]

@@chitlun I think that samples will be added later on, but you can already loop with the DLD, for example

[@phelper4554]

This module is build for you ❤

[@barono9552]

🤣😂🤣😂

[@christofd6600]

Exclusively 😎

[@PatternMusic]

I'm so glad you are covering the MetaModule. I can't think of anyone more qualified to look at this. This module seems to have so much potential. I am excited to get one this week, hopefully.

[@chitlun]

The words “Game changer” come to mind. Wow, just wow!

[@DextersLab93]

It truly is a game changer. Not even the sky is the limit with this one!!

[@paulegan7392]

Great to hear there’s a series of videos planned! It would be great to see how the module could render the ‘steevio’ technique more efficient in hardware, without all the need for matrix mixers, switched multiples, precision adders etc.

[@mit136speichenumdiewelt]

That's what be cool!

[@DextersLab93]

This is so freaking cool!! So many possibilities... I recently picked up your eurorack basics course, and I'm really, really enjoying it. Thank you Omri for all your great content ❤

[@OmriCohen-Music]

Thank you so much!

[@petejandrell4512]

This is next level

[@Flackon]

very meta indeed

[@tColorsinspacerecordings]

just purchased and my favorite part of the module is the USB C port charges my Teenage Engineering TX-6! I’m stoked!

[@BrokenSines]

This is good, thanks for this man! Great run through and was wanting your opinion on this one for sure. This covers the main things I think I was curious about, but I am looking forward to the series. Very cool indeed!

[@OmriCohen-Music]

Cheers!

[@augustopalma]

This is just insane. What a time to be alive!

[@discophone_6214]

When Omri does something it all seems so easy ♥️ thank Omri for this wonderfull demo and patches!

[@OmriCohen-Music]

Thank you

[@laika6340]

yoooh love the new camera setup.

[@postpnd]

Hi Omri, I was very glad to see you start a video serie about the Meta module. Are you planning to continue or give up with this module? thanks, cheers

[@OmriCohen-Music]

Thanks! I'm very much going to continue, yes. I'm just waiting for the next update :)

[@reggietelly]

Holy crap this is amazing. Truly amazing

[@HansiModular]

Hi - I would like to know the requirements for a VCV module to be meta module ready. Maybe a selection of modules which cannot be used (and why).

[@CinematicLaboratory]

Super interested in seeing you explore any aspect of the module. I've also been thinking about using just a few module we'd all like to have in euro, but have not. So for me, personally, it would be cool to see a video like 'the top 10 modules in VCV that will change your eurorack experience'. A top 3 is fine too :). Also, I did not see a clock-in. Can it be clocked from the outside?

[@bonaventura_AKA_ben]

Well, Omri, FINALLY! I've been pitching this idea, of using VCV Rack in a hardware module, for soooooo long, on VCV forums, with various youtubers, various hardware devs, even you! My questions/comments to you on midilar, running VCV headless, etc etc. were all about running VCV without the overhead of Windows/mac os/linux. Honestly it all seemed a no-brainer to me, so much so that I tried doing it myself, with raspberry pi, esp32 devices like the Daisy, a dedicated mini pc with a touch screen, and so 4ms finally did it. Hooray! Now, my brain is already doing the what's next, because the Meta module is still not a one complete VCV patch, but a set of VCV modules. So 4ms could offer a standalone module with enough cpu horsepower to do that. I'm sure you will be doing at least another video, so what is the Meta's "OS" (is it Linux), can the OS be grafted onto other hardware, like a mini pc? Not sure if Andrew is okay with the licensing issues, but this could all open up a VCV Marketplace where devs can license their modules to end users to use on general purpose eurorack hardware, or even on pc's running the 4ms Meta OS. So cool!

[@TMeier]

Amazing! I was hoping you'd do some videos on this module. I'd love to know about recording (once it's available) and tips for quadraphonic mixing, panning & FX. Cheers!

[@blitzkreiscollective520]

Really looking forward to your series on this module! I'd be interested in a modular mixer with maybe three sends into internal/external effects, into a looper and then with as much end of chain processing as it can handle :)

[@stevereightler4126]

This module is a game changer imo.

[@LarsBjerregaard]

Great demo Omri!

[@mr-huggy]

When I sawe Valley was in it all i thought of was Omri and Reverb. Looks a sweet module with many possibilities.

[@manweilermusic]

I was so happy to see the Geodesics was coming out with the first release. A large part of my current physical rack is being designed around the META (Dangerous, right? Zoia is the backup if this bugs out), so it's arrival in less than 48 hours will makes that rack finally able to start being realized.

[@koma2000music]

Whoa, that's innovative, cool idea!

[@echodub81]

I would only buy it for having Plateau standalone 😅

[@gold_torizo]

Check out "Campestria Versio"

[@VirtualModular]

Interesting, thanks for the overview! Good to see you can use VCV modules to process external audio, but I imagine the most common use case for this will be people that have quite a few hardware VCOs already and want to use the generative sequencers in VCV. Could be good for live use too, avoiding the need for a laptop on stage. Personally I'm still not tempted to go hardware, but it's a cool development.

[@proxxyBean]

I am curious about polyphony between physical and virtual modules through the Meta module.

[@LarsBjerregaard]

VCV Rack polyphonic cables are not supported so everything needs to be split and broken out in the meta patch.

[@catscanmeow]

Whats the knob resolution, im seeing a lot of knob turn values show values on the screen that go from 0-100

[@jaysgood10]

I know this isn’t the disting but it sure is going to put a damper on the sleepers.

[@CatFish107]

It's ok. They're experts.

[@biocore01]

I think the idea is interesting, it would be to compare it to a touch tablet under Windows or Linux with VCV rack

[@Quarkburger]

This is cool! Can I get a VCV Rack version the 4MS Meta Module?

[@Inhibitd]

i believe that is coming yes

[@OmriCohen-Music]

The Meta is already available for making the patches for the module. I'm sure it will be in the library soon enough

[@CatFish107]

I will certainly be curious to see where the load limits are, with cpu intense processes. ( how many paralleled plateaus before it hangs?)

[@LarsBjerregaard]

You can see it in the Loopop video. Hint: It's definately not as powerful as your computer, but you wouldn't expect that. It's all about which modules you use. They are very different regarding CPU consumption.

[@CatFish107]

​@@LarsBjerregaardThat all makes sense. I just think it's good to have a solid idea of exactly where those limits are, so you know what you have to work with. Cheers!

[@tapaaz2012]

This module is WILD 👽

[@agentterror]

Great video as always Omri! I would be very interested to hear your thoughts on how this compares to using an ES-9 with VCV Rack on the computer. I know you did some videos on a hybrid setup with the ES-9 a while back, but the Meta fills a similar role in that regard. My rack is always right next to my computer, so would this offer better latency for instance? Any need to calibrate anything? etc.

[@OmriCohen-Music]

That's a great point!

[@na-dj6ob]

@@OmriCohen-MusicDid you mean to respond to op’s question? I am also curious what your findings are for latency of the meta vs an expert sleepers hybrid setup? Thanks!

[@banyarling]

It looks really cool, but I don't see a reason to replace my ES-8 with it. Not yet, anyway. The advantage for performance use, by making a computer unnecessary, might be negated by the many bugs (mentioned by Loopop).

[@CatFish107]

Is the vult stuff ported over? How about mutable instruments? Surge XT? Squinky labs? Any Befaco modules? Pretty sweet that valley, geodesics, and count modula are in there.

[@OmriCohen-Music]

Yeah, Befaco and Mutable are already there

[@CatFish107]

Ace. Thanks for the show and tell Sir.

[@angrytoken]

Omri can this module replace most of the modules in the box and what it definitely won't replace?

[@OmriCohen-Music]

For now, there are only a selection of modules available, but I'm sure more will be released with time.

[@Trollgaldrer]

Would it be possible to just get this module and a 26hp case and that’s it? 🤔

[@OmriCohen-Music]

Thanks!

[@na-dj6ob]

@@OmriCohen-Music i think you replied to the wrong post lol 😉

[@paterfiets]

The idea is brilliant and has lots of potential...,if only it wasn't a 3u module. I get the reasoning behind the eurorack size, but I would prefer something like this as a standalone unit. Something like the mpmidi controller but with a built in audio device with dc coupled in and outs...

[@thelanavishnuorchestra]

That's a cool module. I'm sticking to in the box cuz I'm not made of money, but it's def cool. I've also seen modules that run puredata patches, which is another tool I've played with a lot. I made a CS-80 emulation in both VCV Rack and PureData and the VCV Rack was very heavy on the computer, but the PureData one was no load at all. Granted PureData is much more complicated. I guess my question is how well this will scale.

[@barono9552]

I think you have to have the module, I think it's a bit expensive but if you think about how many modules you have with it, it's ok for the price. I am also enthusiastic about Befaco Oneiroi, wow, that will be expensive :) Dear Omri, thank you very much for the video, Cheers my friend^^

[@CatFish107]

Can it be used as a usb audio interface?

[@OmriCohen-Music]

For now, it's not possible...

[@advaita9156]

Thanks Omri. Are there any mixers available with the MetaModule? Also is it possible to use 2 modules from VCV within MetaModule at the same time…say a sequencer and a mixer for example?

[@OmriCohen-Music]

Yeah, there are a few mixers, and I'm sure there will be more added. I will try to make a video about this also. And yes, you can use multiple modules at the same time, even if they are not connected to one another. You can connect them independently to the ins and outs.

[@advaita9156]

@@OmriCohen-Music ah brilliant, thanks for response Omri

[@wimwijn1]

one module to rule them all 😁

[@floatingsketches290]

is the dual looping delay on available on vcv? I couldnt find it in the libary. Or is this exclusive for meta module purchase?

[@OmriCohen-Music]

It's available here (hopefully will be in the library soon) - metamodule.info/downloads

[@floatingsketches290]

@@OmriCohen-Music Thx!

[@yannickroulin]

Looks great ! How does it handle polyphony ?

[@LarsBjerregaard]

VCV Rack polyphonic cables are not supported so everything needs to be split and broken out in the meta patch.

[@angrytoken]

Hot module! 🍄

[@valley5956]

It finally happened: Plateau is (more or less) a hardware module 😁

[@biocore01]

do you plan to use multiple modules simultaneously?

[@OmriCohen-Music]

Yeah, in the video I'm using multiple sequencers, multiple processing modules, and multiple voices.

[@biocore01]

@@OmriCohen-Music ah yes of course I expressed myself badly I meant several Meta modules from 4 MS,

[@OmriCohen-Music]

@@biocore01 Oh, ok. I think that for now, I will stay with only one. Depends on how things develop, it might make sense to have more in the future.

[@guysmiley7289]

What is the latency ?

[@edtotman2952]

Very low. The hardware is purpose-built for this, in part to keep latency low. And startup is very fast too.

[@ShapeNoise]

Made in Portland! ❤ Shoutout to my homeland 😚🤪🍄🍄🍄🍄

[@tabs1913]

Wow. Had no idea such a thing might exist.

[@pauljs75]

Seems pretty neat. Should be fine as long as you don't do something like make a 20,000v control signal via some accumulator module. (One of the silly things VCV would let you do that doesn't quite make sense. Pretty sure this thing really wouldn't do it though.)

[@CatFish107]

Hahaha, I might guess it would just hard clip it at 10V.

[@CatFish107]

LoL, "Look Mum No , er Scratch That, An Arc Welder!"

[@Paintopia_VR]

i think it would have been better if they made the virtual moduels to specifically be used with the interface as knob per function so the metamodule felt like a purpose built module for each different virtual module it could be. Like how you can flash the noise engineering modules bios and change what they do because they share a common interface. Having it just use vcv modules makes it too clunky and time consuming to setup and use.

[@davidmacdonald7679]

On the contrary I believe the tie-in with vcv is its strength. There are are other multi-purpose-virtual-studio-in-one modules and patch creation is a menu-diving nightmare to set up. Here you have the alternative to prepare everything on a large monitor then export it. You can see the difference in Loopop’s video.

[@Cyrax89721]

This module is like Expert Sleepers' Disting EX on drugs! Some stream-of-thought questions from watching the video, Do we think 4MS could ever allow an external monitor via that USB port? Can VCV's Host module work on this module if I had a folder full of VST's? What about the input/output modules? I understand that the CPU percentage at the top is helpful to gauge its limitations, but it would be cool to see some real-world examples of how many modules you can fit in this thing before it suffocates. Also, what happens when you hit 100%? Does it just start glitching out? Were you sent any of the expander modules? I'm specifically curious about the reliability of the wi-fi module.

[@OmriCohen-Music]

I didn't get any expanders, but Loopop got the WiFi expander and it works quite nicely.

[@echodub81]

Can i double clock the like button? ❤

[@BrandonTrenthem1]

Imagine running vcv host in meta module... Module inception

[@Inhibitd]

near instant latency in this module (no OS slowdown). crazy thing.

[@AndrewAHayes]

This is using emulation, it will sell well, but what will sell better is an FPGA device which gives you the actual device you want to copy!

[@GabberBurgundo]

❤

[@Hellseeker1]

To me this module in particular begs the question "What are we doing?" Someone somewhere will build an entire system with these and I'm just gonna SMH. Whatever.

[@danspound]

I'm looking forward to when 4MS will finish their collection for VCV! Now some of their modules (I personally checked only PEG) crash VCV! And, as it seems to me, PEG is much inferior to emulation from SOFTUBE.

[@danspound]

Fix! Today's collection update fixed the VCV crash! This allowed me to get some crazy audio rate feedback modulation from PEG (one instance)!🤩

[@alphakamp]

meta indeed

[@JoeyBoey-ri3jq]

hey why did you get yours before me lol jk. Im waiting for them to start shipping out.

[@CatFish107]

Oh, looks like no chronoblob2. Sad discovery

[@na-dj6ob]

Maybe they will add it later.

[@OmriCohen-Music]

Yeah, I'm sure many modules will be added slowly

[@Probbie]

Interesting but scary. Kind of feels like the beginning of the end... 😮

[@adrimathlener8008]

But the $650 price tag........

[@edtotman2952]

I think that's cheap when you consider how many different quality modules you can now add to your hardware rack, including almost all 4ms modules.

[@xenb0s]

wtfffffff

[@000aleph]

A module by a sadistic seller for masochistic buyers 😂