5.7L Hemi - Install Front Crank Seal - Main Seal - Harmonic Balancer - Part 1/2

[@ryanericw]

BTW this is the puller in the video OTC 6667 Harmonic Damper Puller www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000P6UT2I/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[@karljonas7018]

I’m just reassembling Ram 5.7 after tearing the motor down. Rebuilt the heads, new cam & lifters. Dropped the trans, replaced all motor and drive train seals and a bunch of other incidental maintenance & repairs. Chilton manual 20405 says, on page 2B-8, the spring side of the seal in towards the engine. So the install in this video appears correct. My mahle seal has a seal lip on both sides. I originally installed it opposite of this video. After second guessing myself I found this vid and reversed it. I nicked up the face of the new seal a little getting it out. I’ll probably go to the dealer and get a mopar seal and ask the mechanic for clarification on orientation. But like I said, Chilton says spring side in. Thanks for the video!

[@ryanericw]

exactly, this lip is very misleading, maybe all of them don't look like this one I used, but the spring side always faces the crankcase, which is what I did in this video

[@glockman8091]

I think I’m the second one to say that the seal was installed backwards…the protruding part of the seal that touches the shaft on any seal goes towards the engine so there’s not a chance of oil getting past. I’ve installed these seals more than once.

[@somanynamesilltrythis0180]

Well, this video help me considering I've never replaced the crank seal in my 2005 4.7 V8 Ram. Thanks for the video, it really helped. Sidenote for anyone who has the same issue I did, I had to go to AutoZone and had a hell of a time finding the right puller I needed. I ended up having to combine 3 kits, 27306, 27139, and kit 27019. Combined (removal and installation) they work and just like the guy in this video, I didn't remove anything other than the belt and it took less than 2hrs.

[@ryanericw]

It's not backwards. Someone probably put yours in backwards. Look at the image here: www.walmart.com/ip/Genuine-OE-Mopar-Front-Crank-Seal-53021585AD/280846373?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=100001408&adid=22222222227286025645&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=344660656041&wl4=pla-704045576345&wl5=1016783&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=129377702&wl11=online&wl12=280846373&veh=sem&gclid=Cj0KCQjwyLDpBRCxARIsAEENsrLc39ccEbpoJemPIFrPh4sBT6kB5iEi4QbVadMke3bktEzjRx6D5NEaAvt2EALw_wcB The spring for the seal always goes inside

[@somanynamesilltrythis0180]

@@ryanericw I see your point. Your seal just looks different than the one I installed. The spring in my seal was facing inwards. My apologies, you're right.

[@mrhyde0705]

Had a shop do my new balancer because I didn't wanna hear the wife complain about more random parts in the garage, now it's leaking from under. Gotta get it a diaper until I can get it back and have them replace the seal. No new car parts in the garage but there is a small pond forming under my yacht 😂

[@danielaugust3966]

Sorry to be a downer but you did install that seal backwards.... i have built multiple rams and commanders and if you would like to check on it you can google 5.7 timing cover with seal it will show you the proper install direction.... would just hate to see someone install it that way and have it leak....... sorry to throw shade because the video had good tips but when you flip that seal and use a socket you will damage the seal dust ring......

[@jaybee5832]

I've replaced many many seals. This seal was obviously installed correctly. Depending on the brand of seal you are using, it may have a circular protrusion on the outside of the seal that may make appear to be Installed incorrectly. The sure way to have it correctly positioned is for the Spring side to be on the inside not air side. Paying attention upon removal is also worth noting.

[@murderyurface3595]

What if the ‘spring side’ was on the air side when the timing cover came off and the driver hadn’t complained of an oil leak yet did complain abt excessive noise from the timing gear? According to him, I’m the first mechanic he’s had change the CS seal on his 5.7 Hemi...

[@LS-Noe1200]

Is this the same for 6.1 hemi

[@dred5375]

The seal is installed backwards, I guarantee it!

[@jaybee5832]

@@dred5375Lmao! Not.

[@dred5375]

@@jaybee5832 I am looking at one right now from the factory! Lmao your wrong, the metal flashing that's on the seal goes towards the motor the lip seal faces out towards the crank pulley! This is a factory built motor that's never been apart! I am 100% positive that the seal in the video is backwards

[@karljonas7018]

A follow up to my comment a day ago about the seal orientation. I went to dodge a picked up a new mopar front seal. Unfortunately the mechanics were gone so I couldn’t pick their brain. And parts didn’t have a detail diagram. But they did have a timing chain cover with seal already installed. And it was installed the opposite way. The smooth side with the larger seal lips in towards the motor. My other comment was about Chilton saying “spring side” inside towards motor isn’t to helpful. This mopar seal doesn’t have a spring like some of the other shaft seals in the drivetrain. It just has a steel band running the OD with the seal molded around it. I’m not saying you did it wrong. And you commented in part 2 of this vid that it hasn’t leaked yet, so I say send it!

[@tejanschaar170]

I enjoyed the video and the good intentions, however you did, indeed put that seal in backwards. Seals are never cup out and the seal always applies inward where the pressure is applied.

[@GarcBomber]

Seal is most definitely backwards, numbers/letters always facing visible. Double seal lip so probably didn’t leak bad if someone was putzing around not building high oil pressure at operating temperatures.

[@butlerataustindotrr]

@8:20 you advise to lube the end of the damper. This seal is made of Teflon. Teflon seals need to be installed dry or the lubricant will burn them up. This is according to Chrysler. The same goes for the rear main seal on this motor, it is Teflon.

[@ryanericw]

That seal sees regular contact with oil.

[@butlerataustindotrr]

@@ryanericw I hear what you're saying, common sense would tell you to lubricate. Talk to Chrysler. Their OEM seals are Teflon.

[@ryanericw]

@@butlerataustindotrr I get it, but that doesn't make sense because as soon as you hard stop the truck, oil sloshes up and gets all over the front cover (back of the seal) so it really doesn't matter

[@Jandjspeedshop]

@@ryanericw Butler is correct among all the OEM manufactures you DO NOT lubricate teflon/PTFE lipped seals. They are to be installed DRY because PTFE is self lubricating and oil/silicone/grease can damage the seal surface

[@loricunningham8357]

You installed the front seal the wrong way I did the same way and had a major oil leak

[@Team_MFH]

Thanks man. I needed a visual for the install.

[@shark70007000]

So, since there is no key on there like most other engines I have ever worked on, it doesn't matter what angle or anything like that? Just put it on? My 5.7 is on a 2011 Charger RT. It has three threaded holes so I used a stand old fashioned puller. This special tool makes no sense to me. I would think just impacting it on would do the job? So how does it balance it when there is no key to make sure it is lined up properly to be harmonically balanced? I just did the lifters and cam change. So my radiator is hanging down with one side touching the driveway. So there is room for the impact. Barely. I noticed video 2, but you still didn't answer my question about lining it up. So I will leave it here for you to read my question. Am I going to need to pull that seal back out and put RTV in there, as mentioned on video 2?

[@lubacotemobile]

Having issues trying to figure out which side of the seal goes towards the motor...😅

[@Chriselectricfingers]

Did ur seal had a metal side to it ? Nd if it did is that side facing theoutside of the crank after install!! Bc i have a mahley seal is bout just under 3" bore but it has a metal ring in it nd on the other side is has that rubber lip! Not sure which side shoukd face me after i install on crank looking on the crank i think i should see the metal ring on the outside ! Let me knw what u think great vid btw 👍🏼😊

[@timwiltse365]

Not a bad video. The seal is installed backwards though!

[@Zach-k2p]

I know this is 5 years old but would the seal be the same size on a 2010 hemi? In regrades to needing a 1 7/8 socket

[@claymoreroomba]

So wait how do you pull the crank seal out? Do I need to drain the oil first or is it negligible to do so

[@TopRankSeoSanAntonio210]

Just pulled the seal out a 04 Ram HEMI 5.7l it was installed the same way as this video but I think it should go in with lip facing inward. Does anyone have a definite answer here? The direction of the seal installation isn’t specified in AllData neither.

[@rafaelfuentes7572]

Nice video does I have a 07 charger 5.7 and I’m have trouble installing the new harmonic balancer on the crankshaft. That special tool you have is that good for my vehicle or is it only for trucks.

[@procharged6.122]

Sorry to say, the seal is definitely backwards. I just did my hemi seal today. It was stock from factory and the opposite side was facing out from factory. Though, maybe it works just the same.. 🤷‍♂️

[@ryanericw]

Guys, look I know this isn't the best video in the world, it's just a guide to try and help you all out do the same job. In regards to the seal, it's definitely not backwards. I know, I know seals usually have the lips going outwards, I've replaced tons of seals in my life and I know exactly what you're thinking. This is the first I came across that had a protrusion coming outwards on both sides. The fact is you want the side with the spring to be facing inwards to be protected from the elements. That's exactly how it's installed in the video Check out the pictures here for reference: www.walmart.com/ip/Genuine-OE-Mopar-Front-Crank-Seal-53021585AD/280846373?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=100001408&adid=22222222227286025645&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=344660656041&wl4=pla-704045576345&wl5=1016783&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=129377702&wl11=online&wl12=280846373&veh=sem&gclid=Cj0KCQjwyLDpBRCxARIsAEENsrLc39ccEbpoJemPIFrPh4sBT6kB5iEi4QbVadMke3bktEzjRx6D5NEaAvt2EALw_wcB

[@dred5375]

The seal is backwards in the video. I just pulled a motor that was factory sealed and the lip seal is on the outside

[@ryanericw]

@@dred5375 which side was the spring facing?

[@dred5375]

@@ryanericw spring goes inside cover

[@ryanericw]

@@dred5375 do you see a spring on my seal?

[@boardstretcher6526]

I think you put the seal in backwards inside out

[@ryanericw]

truck has had this seal installed this way since the video came out, it's been 6 years now? no oil leaks. The spring side always goes towards the crankcase.

[@roadrash8334]

look at all that gasket maker tho hahah my gosh buddy, worried bout it leaking are ya

[@Chriselectricfingers]

Ok but which way do the seel go on to the crank ? Which way should the seel face when i look at it installing it on to crank? Ty

[@mr2law]

thanks for sharing . It looks like the seal was installed backwards? At least the oem seal I pulled out was installed the other side facing the engine

[@wdtony]

Same here. Took out original factory seal and it is opposite of what’s shown in this video.

[@loricunningham8357]

And I went to the Dodge dealer and got the front seal and I told him which way I installed and then they said it was the wrong way

[@kingjon7124]

Did your hemi have a woodruff key or keyway slot on crank or pully?

[@loricunningham8357]

In the other way is it right or wrong should I change it

[@lubacotemobile]

Omg. Too many tools that I don't have.

[@carlosmay2951]

hey harmonic balancer can cause vibration

[@Tucson20]

Seal is in backwards

[@scottfulk7104]

How do you get the old seal out?

[@evanranshaw4659]

I use an admittedly somewhat questionable method, but it has worked for me every time. You just need to be careful: Get a short wood screw (maybe 1 inch), and drive it through the seal right near the edge, then use a claw hammer (or other suitable carpentry tool) to pull on the head of the screw and the seal should pop out with it. There are certainly plenty of opportunities to do damage with this method: Don't run the screw in far enough to contact anything behind the seal, you only need one thread of engagement. Don't run the screw in between the seal and the bore that the seal is pressed into, else you'll damage the bore and cause problems with oil leaking around the outside of the seal. You can drill a tiny pilot hole in the seal near the edge to give the screw some place to start. This will make putting the screw in less precarious, but the first two warnings above apply even more strongly when drilling that pilot hole.

[@tt-rs1457]

Mornin Ryan, how did you torque the centersrew, it gets 180NM ( 133 inchlibs). So, how did you counterhold the crank ? V/R Andreas

[@ryanericw]

You can stick a short prybar through the crank pulley to hold it Another way is to get a serpentine belt holding tool that wraps around the pulley. They sell themnat harborfreight

[@tt-rs1457]

@@ryanericw Thanks Ryan, unfortunally we don't have Harborfreight in germany. But I know them, from my last time in China-Lake. V/R, Andreas

[@tt-rs1457]

Another question: Do I need the long Installer Kit ? Or is it possible to install the Balancer with the srew, that will hold the Pully in place ?

[@asafavraham2040]

by any chance, is there a video of you removing the seal?..

[@ryanericw]

No, just grab a seal puller and yank it out, super easy

[@asafavraham2040]

@@ryanericw will would be oil spilling out once pulling the seal?

[@asafavraham2040]

and i know yours is 04', is it the same for that engine on other years like 2008?

[@ryanericw]

@@asafavraham2040 nah, no oil will come out it should be similar, can't say if it will be the same exactly

[@evanpetersen4016]

Hey Ryan, could you give me a rough estimate of what this would cost taking it to a mechanic?

[@evanpetersen4016]

It's an 05 durango. Crank seal is leaking pretty heavily suddenly

[@ryanericw]

1-2hrs of labor @ 100/hr plus $30 at most in parts

[@lillost2295]

On a 04 Durango with the 5.7 do you have to take the oil pump off to replace the timing chain tensioner?

[@BWADaniel]

Yes. It’s very very simple though.

[@loricunningham8357]

Should I redo it any advice

[@loricunningham7831]

i installed other way noleaks

[@HannsGruber]

Part # for the seal?

[@LS-Noe1200]

Is it the same for a 6.1 hemi??

[@loricunningham8357]

It's not leaking

[@that_guy89x89]

Update plz!! Was it holding and not leaking!

[@ryanericw]

it's fine

[@that_guy89x89]

Cool!! How do you know how far to insert the seal and harmonic balancer? Will it stop once it's inserted all the way in!! Took my truck to a mechanic looked fine then started leaking so tempted just to do it MYSELF!!😕

[@ryanericw]

Insert it until you feel resistance from it bottoming out

[@seanshipley4424]

You put the seal in backwards homie..

[@ryanericw]

The seal is installed correctly in this video, the dealer even specified this is correct after I had an issue the first time. The first time I had an issue because the crank snout had buildup

[@ronniestine]

@@ryanericw yeah thats backwards

[@ryanericw]

Well if it is, its working with no leaks so lol....I asked the dealer which way it installs thats what they told me :ohwell:

[@jaybee5832]

@@ryanericw 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽

[@garyloring8825]

@@ryanericw the dealer was FUCKING with you LOL

[@joshschacher5739]

You got to be kidding me. I just watched this video to see if I put the see in the right way and realized I put it in wrong that's why it was leaking. So I installed it like this video shows and now it is just puking oil. If you could edit the video that would be much appreciated 👌

[@ryanericw]

Then you fucked something up. I still drive my truck with the same seal and it doesnt leak.

[@JimmyLoose]

You put the seal in backwards. I just did this job. I don't know why you won't just admit you f*#^ed up.