5 Creatures to Avoid in Commander | Magic the Gathering

It might be best to steer clear of these creatures for Commander; they are not quite worth playing if you're looking to power up your decks, so enjoy today's #shorts video!
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[@Elentirion]

But consider this: if someone tries to remove your plat angel, just ignore the effect. You literally cannot lose, go ahead, break any rule you like.

[@brandonbrooks779]

Just say "did you read the card?"

[@zackkelley2940]

5 seconds later... "You're disqualified, but don't worry. You didn't lose... technically."^^

[@altrekzz9870]

The big story of the Honolulu Pro Tour wasn’t Kazuya Mitamura’s $40,000 victory in the finals...

[@Playingwithproxies]

It’s says you can’t lose not at that you can just cheat irl

[@reno2934]

@@Playingwithproxies yea but the penalty for cheating is losing the game, "points at platinum angel".

[@UniversalJuan]

Remember kids, don't run cards at all because everything dies to removal, or something

[@darkperihellion]

I was thinking the same with his weak explanations xD

[@TheJcjonesacp]

Disagree with sheoldred, she’s great In Re animation decks

[@Fizzimals]

Yep one of my favorites and messes with everyone

[@BlepSSBU]

I put Sheoldred in my Myrkul deck, that way she doesn't even need to stay on the field to get the effect

[@zannothefox]

I agree I use her in a deck that non stop forces opponent sacrifices in order to keep board control and use nasty reanimation on my side with her too.

[@TheJcjonesacp]

@@zannothefox I mean at best if you do get her out and she is removed, you're draining your opponent's resources, but if it's late age she's a great closer. Either way, your opponent is forced to act, or can't do anything to stop her.

[@therevenant8533]

I run her in my Scorpion god deck

[@diabeticmonkey]

Sheoldred is an absolute powerhouse if you can cast her with flash, which is stupidly simple

[@daltooinewestwood6380]

All you have to do is go turn 1 sol ring, turn 2 buried alive for Sheoldred, Burning-Rune Demon, and any creature based Sacrifice outlet. Turn 3 you play lightning Greaves and animate dead on sheoldred and congratulations. You now have a nearly untouchable reanimator combo that will allow you to tutor your deck for 2 creatures per turn, one into hand and one basically onto the battlefield

[@funnfungusie9622]

​@@daltooinewestwood6380 Yep sounds like a consistent combo that happens in most games you play

[@daltooinewestwood6380]

@@funnfungusie9622 there are more ways of getting this combo than just the cards I’ve listed here. This is just the example

[@iocsparkfire0075]

Why the abilities trigger on upkeep

[@victorperezurbano9504]

Also, you can reanimate her and 7 mana is not that much actually. He's totally wrong on Sheoldred

[@DAsrada]

Hard disagree on Sheoldred. Amazing card in Muldrotha Lands, especially with a full graveyard in a long game, grindy match up. Use with Bazaar of Baghdad to more or less decide what you want to bring back out of your hand and top 2. Any removal spent on it is removal not sent at Muldrotha the Gravetide.

[@olivermeloche2042]

While I love the idea of embracing the true spirit of edh by using a broken thousands of dollars land to make a 7 mana bad mythic work sheolred is pretty bad even in the scenario you listed, but with casual edh it's sometimes good to have broken enablers with horrible payoffs

[@namrepusprime6793]

Agreed, also if I have enough mana to bring her out then chances are I've got something more evil in my hand. I love mono black.

[@DAsrada]

@@olivermeloche2042 Dude, just because the card doesn't combo with Thassa's Oracle doesn't mean the card is horrible.

[@HomeCookinMTG]

@@DAsrada no but giving your three opponents a chance to do something about it before it really has an impact makes the card bad. Living death only costs five mana lol.

[@vulpinegoliath9672]

@@olivermeloche2042 You can use Geier Reach Sanitarium or any other looter. It doesn't have to be the thousand dollar land.

[@howardwu4582]

This is such non sense, in the right decks, cards like Plat angel and Sheoldred really shine, Nitpicking Nerds really need to know thier stuff better!

[@deliathrana6212]

I mean Being nitpicky is their whole thing

[@smurffy5330]

It’s their opinion tho, beezy is a good magic player and I take his words seriously 😐 perhaps plat and other pet cards are good in specific decks, but he’s basically saying you can’t just run it willy nilly 🤷🏼‍♂️ it’s a card that pretty much says deal with ASAP and makes u a threat more or less lol

[@shade0mirth]

I generally avoid their content as I actively disagree with almost anything they have to say. I like Sheoldred, so I play it. I play platinum angel in my 'can't lose' tribal mono white. That's really all that matters. If someone wants to only run cards they deem to be good given some predetermined notion of how to play edh, I'll run 'bad' cards that are amazing when used in odd ways.

[@smurffy5330]

@@shade0mirth you just described what I had said tho, u run those “bad” cards in decks that abuse them lol beezy said there bad cuz they don’t go in most decks 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@shade0mirth]

@@smurffy5330 ah, I wasn't thinking of Sheoldred or platinum angel as bad (sheoldred in particular can take over a game by herself). I'm more speaking in general about cards that most people would look at and describe as jank at best. I also was trying to say that I run cards because I want to, not because someone on KZbin deems them to be worth running. Edit: my main problem is with the mindset that cards are good or not good based on how many decks they fit into.

[@leoperazabo]

Platinum Angel in a Kaalia’s Deck has saved multiple times 👌🏾

[@davidfirth6325]

Sheoldred in my Sefris recursion deck does WORK!!

[@werothegreat]

Exactly, if you can cheat her out, run her. I've got her in my Erinis/Scion Monster Manual deck, which is all about cheating out big chonkers.

[@laharlfan71]

i had a bastard pull a turn 3 culling ritual into a Sheoldred, we got instantly locked out of the game, not fun lol

[@wadewilson5712]

i have her i a few decks and she does work very well

[@bossjacob9667]

My flatmate got Sheoldred out turn 4 in his Sefris deck, that’s not even the start of his big creatures either

[@Abomb1987]

A lot of fun in Sataro also

[@Akario3]

nighthawk: still good, makes people not want to attack you and you can run both him and his upgraded cousin pridemate: on lifegain he is still good, on lifegain cats even better Scuttes: its slow sure, but you only spend 1 mana lol, sometimes the unasuming cards are the ones that get the most value Angel: its niche Sheldred: people in the comments have already said it better

[@Nova-zk5gn]

I agree with all your commenta except Plat isnt a niche card. It can be evry impactful. In so many decks

[@joshdamighty]

1 mana to become a removal target later? Easy bait bug. 😁

[@randorookie8587]

I’ve got a non commander black white vampire deck that uses nighthawk and if he gets played and you can’t stop him right then and there game it’s over and done granted the deck can do that with just about any of its creatures provided set up is correct but nighthawk does it quickest and easiest

[@Epiclesis]

Sheoldred works, why is this dude comparing it to a sorcery?

[@atk9989]

Yea, compare it to other permanents they always have to have some slight downside for the recurring effects.

[@w4tch0ut10]

Objectively speaking it's not a good card. Sure it can work. But that's due to the nature of most EDH decks being simply not good decks and not because Sheoldred is any good ^^

[@atk9989]

@@w4tch0ut10 you're toxic and I hope you don't ever play in casual pods. And I say you're toxic because by your own words you are saying only cEDH decks are good and winning is the only thing that matters. I fail to see how a 7 mana 7/7 with swampwalk, every turn straight to battlefield reanimation, and every turn 1 sided sack creature removal is bad. I play sheoldred in nearly all of my black in them decks and every time I see it in a game either mine or others it is either a must counter or the biggest threat on board and a must kill. So how is a card that is usually the biggest threat on board because it gets you back your combo creatures or other big threats right back, how is that a bad card?

[@daltooinewestwood6380]

@@w4tch0ut10 you’re incorrect. She’s good in commander because commander decks can get her out by turn 2 or 3 and make her nearly impossible to remove. Most commander decks aren’t “bad” they’re just difficult to make consistent. And that’s entirely because most people who play commander don’t want a game to be over by turn 4. We’re the type of magic players who want a game to last 3 hours

[@w4tch0ut10]

@@daltooinewestwood6380 3h for ONE game? 😳 This is going to give me nightmares 😅. No, seriously, how often do you play commander then? Like one game a week? :d I like to try out different decks and strategies. That way I'd never be able to

[@bigspagheti4119]

Glad to see you getting ratioed in the comments on this one. Sheoldred and Platinum Angel absolutely have their places.

[@bengarcia6880]

Vampire nighthawk has superior artwork and will continue to be chosen first for me

[@ianoneal3543]

choose both of them

[@jimbeer7390]

Platinum angle is great with Myrkul, lord of bones it turns the creature into a enchantment with the same text

[@cozymosss]

THIS, especially combined with Fountain Watch (an absolutely BROKEN card paired with Myrkul that makes all enchantments, including itself, have shroud)

[@TinyLokiGaming]

I also have it as a 7 drop in my Eldrazi Cascade Cascade, why not have a level of redundancy in big smashy

[@superstandardman]

"No matter the power point of the deck" casuals: you under estimate my power

[@zotmaster]

Grave Titan approves.

[@thatonenecromancer4044]

Something sorta important to remember is that your deck doesn't need to be optimized or powerful to be fun! Depending on the table playing a bunch of pet cards like platinum angel is hella fun. I made a kaalia entirely made with a bunch of old classics like Serra Angel and shivan dragon which is still probably my favorite deck I've made.

[@P3rvenc]

I've seen a lot of people saying this "your deck doesn't need to be optimized to be fun", but I have NEVER seen a person with a non optimized deck have fun, while everyone is doing cool stuff, playing 3-4 cards a turn with a bunch of synergy, the "fun" non-optimized deck just either play land and do nothing, or play his 6 drop flying trample that does nothing and don't even attack with it until its removed

[@tntsantana57]

@@P3rvenc I think this applies to your playgroup/pod though. If everyone is playing lower power or "fun" decks then it should be fine. Idk though just thought I'd reply, have a good one!

[@CorsairJoshua]

Now this is a person I'd love to play EDH with.

[@smurffy5330]

@@P3rvenc you haven’t played enough magic then buddy 😂💀

[@thatonenecromancer4044]

@@P3rvenc it's highly dependent on the playgroup, I wouldn't shuffle up my more super casual decks with a random group at fnm but like with friends who have similar decks its super fun and kinda relaxing to tone down the power

[@TheSilverTiger510]

unfortunatly, I can't agree about sheoldred. there are decks that want sheoldred. sure, most decks will want other cards that help them win the game with seven mana, but there are decks like tergrid that this is a great card you want to put in.

[@daltooinewestwood6380]

I’ve literally never seen anyone hard cast a sheoldred. She always comes down turn 3-5 with a reanimator and it’s always a nightmare. OP doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

[@Kryptnyt]

Platinum Angel from Whir of Invention will forever be a great way to stay in the game in response to some "I win" trigger

[@lysander3262]

Yes...but you could also Whir into -Relic of Progenitus or Grafdigger's Cage (if they are about to mass reanimate/cheat into play) -Ensnaring Bridge (if they are about to attack) -Spine of Ish Sah (if it requires a permanent) -Oblivion Stone (if it requires many permanents) -Platinum Emperion (if it would do damage/lifeloss) -Null Rod (if they are trying to Scepter) -Elixir of Immortality (if they are milling you) -Temple Bell (if they are trying to Thoracle) I ran Plat for a long time, it's great. Run it if you like it. She's a beauty. But it's always going to be like the 4th most relevant Whir target.

[@w4tch0ut10]

@@lysander3262 this

[@stevencouture1481]

Ajani's pridemate is actually a great card. It gains a counter anytime you gain life. Plus you can give it an easy aura, artifact, or enchantment giving it hexproof, shroud, etc.

[@mentaloasis]

Yup, this exactly. Pridemate can become huge quick in lifegain decks that optimize multiple triggers. Hes a beast in my Patron of the Kitsune deck.

[@ElijahKlar]

As a high level edh player, this, while informative, is only valuable in a vacuum. It completely disregards synergy

[@w4tch0ut10]

Not really. All of these cards are objectively bad. Especially when viewed from a higher level perspective.

[@victorunger]

@@w4tch0ut10 lmao vampire nighthawk was so good for so long they made a new one. It is not a bad card now nor was is ever.

[@Garl_Vinland]

Consider someone is going to get a Thoracle win. You cryptic gateway in a Platinum Angel, denying them the win and they instead lose the game. So even Platinum can beat one of the highest tier strats

[@ACrustyCount]

"Avoid nighthawk and use this instead " Or I can have both for good blockers and lifegain effects I can draw more often

[@jaxsonbateman]

This was my biggest issue with the video. If one of them is good enough to make the cut, then both of them are.

[@lazydroidproductions1087]

@@jaxsonbateman well it depends. If there is a really tight cutoff, go scavenger over regular nighthawk, and sometimes you’re also looking for that second creature type of rogue or shaman. Rogue has a bunch of synergy that only one gets to use

[@jaxsonbateman]

@@lazydroidproductions1087 Definitely agree with Scavenger if you're only including one - seems obvious - but what are the odds that you're only wanting one of those two and not both? Slim to none, I imagine. If one of them isn't good enough to not make the cut, usually both of them won't be.

[@lazydroidproductions1087]

@@jaxsonbateman Like I said, rogue synergy. I’ve got a vampire rogue deck. One of these hits two creature types, one only hits one

[@lazydroidproductions1087]

@@jaxsonbateman Like I said, rogue synergy. I’ve got a vampire rogue deck. One of these hits two creature types, one only hits one

[@lilyireland3510]

Sheoldred is somthing to never avoid. Great card if you’ve baited removal already, which isn’t hard. Play a low mana, big synergy card for your deck, watch it get stopped, and play her. Big ups

[@distranthegloriouslydeform9259]

I had a game where Sheoldred keep me alive for like 5 turns at 1 life

[@Felhate]

Casuals: I'm just going to ignore this.

[@Cujucuyo]

EDH is a casual format though...

[@vulpinegoliath9672]

Literally. I like to view these videos just to pick up some janky cards to put on my decks.

[@jasonrustmann7535]

@@vulpinegoliath9672 ditto lol i have either seen these, or had some of these, not just help, but straight up win games, only one i haven't seen was that little green bug, which I'll be rewatching just to get it's name and go pick up one for my Targ Nar deck lol

[@jaxsonbateman]

IKR. Narrator mentions that it's been underperforming in every format they've tried it in; other people are like "my anecdotal experience says it's good" as though they've analyzed it to the same degree. 😅

[@w4tch0ut10]

This 😂 just read the comment section. Lmao. "Sheoldred is a powerhouse" - yeah, my ass it is 😅

[@mr.joesterr5359]

SHEOLDRED?! You guys are actually smoking something good share with the rest of us

[@slowggles]

imagine being told you're playing casual wrong

[@Infernoblade1010]

Sheoldred is an absolute star in morbid/reanimate style decks. Reanimating her for 1 black and 7 life turn 2/3 pretty much shuts down most non-competitive decks.

[@victorperezurbano9504]

In no CEDH Sheoldred is a house. This guy is so wrong

[@simplyprism5854]

​@@victorperezurbano9504 with Carmen Cruel Skymarcher out now Sheoldred is busted. If Sheodlred gets removed, Carmen will bring her ass right back on the next turn and they wasted a removal. If they remove Carmen, which I run plenty of hexprrof/indestructible for Carmen so eventually they will have an extremely hard time doing, but if they do, they still have to deal with Sheoldred and then I can just recast Carmen next turn or let her go to the graveyard and reanimated Carmen without commander tax. Either way Sheoldred is like having a mini Carmen + fleshbag marauder in the deck just minus the +1+1 counters and the need to keep sacrificing and recasting

[@johnstarinieri7360]

I still think these cards have their niche, I run Vampire Nighthawk in my Kathril deck for those sweet keywords and Scute Mob in my Grist deck because it’s a cheap insect card

[@benshearer1710]

Yeah it may take time too build up but yeah it also cost one mana I've had it doo some damage too

[@AngeloRosales64]

Sheoldred? Really? Every time you play her, it’s always super impactful.

[@NoFlu]

Yea. I'd say the fact that she immediatly becomes the target for removal by your enemies speaks to her overall strength. Yea, she might not pay off turn 1, but removing her becomes necessary or the costs will stack up

[@hithropyro9051]

I almost feel attacked. I have a deck that runs almost half of the creatures listed.

[@benshearer1710]

Preach

[@ProAverageJoe]

I believe the sheoldred is only put in there because he wants to stop playing against it 😂😂😂

[@AnonymousAnonymous-kq5oc]

Sheoldred is really nice in a reanimate deck, especially in the 99. Once you put her in the bin, puller out for a cheap reanimate spell. Turns out a turn 4 sheoldred can be really back breaking.

[@Jayjordancomedy]

There's a part of my brain that is always screaming that these shorts are market manipulation in some way, but these takes are too bad to sway prices

[@vasylpark2149]

Vampire nighthawk and platinum angel are pet cards and Ajani's pridemate is in my Lurrus deck so that's not coming out.

[@werothegreat]

Vampire Nighthawk is fine, power is largely ignorable on a deathtouch blocker, which is what it is.

[@Esper_Compleat]

But for three mana, you can just run a removal spell, or a creature that might block more than the once

[@mibbzx1493]

@@Esper_Compleat nah vampire nighthawk is good, it baits out their removals because it has deathtouch and its a flier than can gain you life or keep other fliers fromm attacking you because you can trade. You get more value out of nighthawk that just going 1 for 1 with a removal spell 🤣

[@Esper_Compleat]

@@mibbzx1493 If someone decides to remove it later, you're going one for one, but when they want to, rather then waiting on a real three drop The incidental lifegain isn't of much consequence, even like 10 life will almost never change a commander game You being able to trade off requires someone to have creatures that aren't very evasive, that are more important than your three drop, and and for them to not just attack with other things

[@mibbzx1493]

@@Esper_Compleat we can agree to disagree then, i got him in like 5 decks 🤣 he puts in work. Every time he’s on board they be like “oh he got deathtouch? Im not swinging at him. Which is EXACTLY what you want in a commander game to help you get extra few turns to build or setup your game plan. Then he’s a vampire and a rouge so tribal in edgar markov or even evelyn the covetous now this card gets more value, please waste your removal on my vampire nighthawk so my commander can actually resolve 🤣

[@werothegreat]

@@Esper_Compleat it's a removal spell you can pre-play. so you're not just holding up 2-3 mana every turn.

[@nimenpalac454]

plat won me one game, i owe her.

[@boots4snootin571]

Platinum angel is my baby

[@ryanbrackett6463]

He lost my respect when he dissed Ajani's Pridemate

[@jamesgreenwood1703]

Lost respect for them ages ago. Then again the channel name describes them perfectly I don’t know what I expected

[@DUxMORTEM]

Im sorry what? Sheoldred is amazing, one of the better praetors right now.

[@haftashaft]

Yeah this is dumb and assuming you hard cast her which you never will in a black deck. Hell entomb exhumed dark rite is a turn 1 sheoldred.

[@w4tch0ut10]

And why the f would you ever waste those spells on a Sheoldred when you could get Razaketh, instead?

[@DUxMORTEM]

@@w4tch0ut10 razekath doesn't force your opponents to sac stuff, doesn't reanimate and doesn't have swampwalk(which matters if you have urborg). Also you can bring razekath in with Sheoldred because razekath is more expensive.

[@w4tch0ut10]

@@DUxMORTEM but Razaketh can tutor for your win con (or whatever it may be you need at the time) the very moment it hits the board and in response to removals. With Sheoldred you need a lot more setup (important creature in your own yard, creatures (and ideally no tokens) on your opponents board. And a lot more time to get your value out of it +, which means (typically) 3 opponents can have their own turn to draw into removal or cast a Grafdiggers Cage/similar and reduce Sheoldreds value. I'd just say that, in comparison of the two cards, Razaketh is very rarely not a good play while Sheoldred seems a lot more situational and slow.

[@DUxMORTEM]

@@w4tch0ut10 okay if we are talking like that ill just run all the black tutors and find twin\flame dualcaster mage or thoracle\consulatation for the win or just play Godo and literally just cast my commander to win before you even get a whiff of razekath.

[@wizzedsoup4277]

Vampire nighthawk is amazing in Obosh though.

[@origaminosferatu3357]

Woah what a great idea. Never thought of that.

[@yavivanov6650]

1. Every evasive odd mv threat is good with obosh 2. Scavenger is still better

[@atk9989]

@@yavivanov6650 why would you not run both anyway? Both made the cut in my abzan keywords deck and my strefon deck.

[@daltooinewestwood6380]

@@yavivanov6650 that isn’t even a fair comparison in the first place. They’re literally the same card but Scavenger is just objectively better even in a vacuum. What makes Vampire NH good in commander/an obosh deck is the fact that you can only have 1 copy of any card and this basically allows you to have 2 copies of NH scavenger

[@andricaion9036]

Well, Plat Angel is a must in an Angel Deck I think.

[@Garl_Vinland]

You think the Nitpicking nerds Stan for angel decks?

[@jamihcustodio6808]

Me looks at the comments: let us show love on our waifu sheoldred my phyrexian brothers

[@ultratog1028]

I think the best commentary on Platinum Angel is Tron perfectly curves into it and Tron NEVER plays it.

[@Winterwarriorc]

Sheoldred I’ve had a lot of success with in my Umezawa ninjitsu deck

[@drunkgerbil9962]

I'd like some suggestions for a Sheokdred replacement 🤔

[@semberspirit]

Toxrill

[@MultiCrisper]

Animate Dead, Reanimate

[@Balmungxcx]

Rise of The Dark Realms

[@victorperezurbano9504]

​@@semberspiritin a deck that wants Toxrill you ALSO play Sheoldred

[@TPhoneHome]

Yea platinum angel is literally one of the best tabletop cards ever made. I’m shocked to see it in here. You are never supposed to play PA alone, you need to play it with enchantments or other protections so it serves as a horcrux.

[@MultiCrisper]

PA is not powerful, efficient, or fast. It requires build arounds, and a setup to do anything. It has no protection or redundancy. It costs 7 mana. It's also an artifact, meaning it can be targetted by more than just creature hate. There are a myriad of cards viable in EDH that outclass PA in every way. If you however run PA because you enjoy it, then that's fine. You don't need to justify it on the internet.

[@wigglytuffgaming]

@@MultiCrisper lightning greaves, indestructible? Like yah it's a little more work but you can literally make yourself unable to lose unless they have multiple instances of A/E removal or mass exile.

[@Garl_Vinland]

PA is a powerful card, just not necessarily a staple. If you’re playing against a solitaire “I win” combo/aggro deck, they can’t do much about it, and are basically forced to conceed. There are ways to recur it, protect it, flash it in. It’s vastly underated when you play it in a deck that likes to pay life to kill your opponent, or with other “you lose” cards that simply get ignored. The problem you have with PA is it is not inheritantly an offensive card. It’s not a Craterhoof. Defensive cards always get a bad rap, but consider Craterhoof does nothing against an opponent with a PA on the field.

[@NightOfCrystals]

Man, I remember when OG Sheoldred was a powerhouse in commander. It’s been a while, but power creep has also been big.

[@victorperezurbano9504]

Nah bro, she's still amazing in no cedh

[@gr1nder07]

I really do love dropping sheoldrid in my tergrid deck. It has won me the game my conceding more times than by running the game out especially because I run a lot of protection

[@w4tch0ut10]

And here I've just dismantled my entire Tergrid deck, because it was just way too weak to be any fun 😭

[@bububu__]

Sheoldred is one of my favourite cards, sad to see it get so outperformed :(

[@DUxMORTEM]

Shes an amazing card my dude, these guys have no idea what they are talking about.

[@awsomeman350]

She doesn't at all. She was my first mythic ever in the first pack I ever bought. She still does a ton of work in graveyard and reaminator decks. These guys are just wrong

[@basilniebla5535]

I like Scute Mob because it’s one of those “can get out of control if it isn’t taken care of” sort of cards. (In a board state with more obvious threats)

[@kendrickvickers2610]

as soon as i played sheoldred i became the enemy of the table and as soon as she was gone i wasnt anymore

[@TransparentEclipse]

Bro I literally won a game against a sweaty arcades deck using nothing but a plat angel, a few counterspells, a thassa, and an archeomancer. The dude had me at -3000 life and had a massive imposing board and I literally just sat there countering all of his removal for my plat angel. Waited until his value engine put him at like 20 or so cards in his deck then just cast blue suns zenith targeting him. I wouldn’t have come even close to winning that game without the plat angel in the deck

[@qurangreen7041]

Hard disagree with Sheoldred. I literally bullied a whole table with a Sheoldred/Junji combo in a Kamiz deck with Lurrus, Animate Dead, Dance of the Dead, and Necromancy as back up. Another player copied my Sheoldred and guaranteed the Gishath and goad decks never got to pop off. If you can't close with Sheoldred on board then it's not the card/deck its the pilot 😏

[@philvess6376]

Scute mob is a beast in my "Brokkos, aspect of forever" deck... Its not great in every deck, but this is one of the fun aspect of EDH, finding good synergies with non-obvious cards.

[@MrTheanimekiller]

I play sheoldred in my kaalia stax deck. I just make a lot of treasures and use artifacts for mana while destroying other people's lands or using things like winter orb and smothering tithe to make it as hard as possible for others to have mana to counter what I'm doing. Once I have my sac outlet running and the unhallowed out with my solemnity then the game is pretty much over

[@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299]

LOL Scute Mob is great as long as you play it on t5 forcing an opponents reaction to a small window. I like using Scute Mob in Volrath Shapestealer or Brokkos :P

[@AliveElement1122]

Sheoldred in a reanimator deck out at turn 2-4 is pretttty good one of my favorite cards atm.

[@moviefan2236]

From first hand experience, Sheoldred is a force to be reckoned with in the right deck. A guy I used to play with had a Gisa and Garalf deck with the main piece being Sheoldred, and after he made the deck more efficient at getting her out, he could only be beat by one other person. I came close once and had him at 1 life point, but he managed to wipe my board and kill me while everyone else, who had agreed to kill him but barely did anything against him even though at least one could have, and that was the one saying we should take him down, scooped. After that is when he tweaked the deck to be faster because of me.

[@aranhahumana6545]

What should I exchange Ajani pridemate for?

[@Shane16784]

If you are hard casting Sheoldred perhaps, but as it happens black can reanimate pretty effectively.

[@tylerwolf42]

Sheoldred works wonders in my Sarulf realm eater deck. Opponents have to choose between Sarulf or Sheoldred to remove. If they leave them alone, she really helps Sarulf get bigger. Say what you will, she's awesome.

[@Gnomkiller2000]

Platinum angel coupled with helm of the host and multi token cards aka create 9 more of them per turn works nicely also you can add the seraph that gives all flying invincible and the angel that gives all creatures hexproof couple it with spells that lets you cast creatures from your deck

[@BioRoot]

Vampire Nighthawk holds a special place in my Bio-Quartz Spacegodzilla deck. 6/6 with Deathtouch, Flying, Lifelink, & Trample that does commander damage is 👌🏼

[@kaseybennett7415]

Sheoldred has been an overpreformer for me pretty consistently so I'll just choose to disagree on that one

[@burningpapersun1]

But how am I going to survive thassa's oracle and leveler? Need dat platinum angels

[@Marsdend1]

I have platinum angel and Sheoldred in my Myrkul, Lord of Bones deck. They both work wonders if you have a sac outlet and a way to play them at instead speed (Monster Manual)

[@gallantduke6393]

Platinum angel is a must have in my Karn the silver golem deck.

[@thesquirrel4257]

Platinum Angel looking really mean with the new Myrkul, Lord of Bones commander.

[@Aros-pr2xr]

What’s your opinion on the Baldur elder dragons?

[@NitpickingNerds]

They’re alright, they all REALLY want haste though and some decks can do that better than others

[@seiryubox4996]

Platinum angel is part of a set of cards best run on a deck that protects things. I actually ran it as a part of a funny reanimator deck and could have it in play at instant speed along with the demon that says opponents cant lose the game.. As a result a lot of combo decks got turned off and I got a chance to remove their decks from existence on turn 4-10. Yes thats slow for cedh but I also made friends and had a good evening despite hard countering my opponents with the most bizarre Sharuum deck theyd ever seen lol

[@Fausto_4841]

I've got a Dina deck that has both those vampires in it. It's on a pretty tight budget. I can't ever get to the late game with it, I start getting triggers early while people still set up, then they see me with 55 life and remember all those triggers. Aside from spending a lot of money, what are some good later game things I can use?

[@ospero7681]

Valentin / Lisette, Sproutback Trudge, Tivash and Defiant Bloodlord come to mind.

[@bryanwoolbertmusic]

Scute mob can be OK in certain counter-based decks, especially if you have counter doubling effects in play. It’s also a great way to pop off fight rigging, though it is slow because of the five land minimum…

[@danimitetwitch]

I have a voltron Urza deck and Platinum Angel has saved my bacon a few times. I admit it’s situational, but it works when you can protect it well.

[@brandyourfan9244]

Scute Mob is low key amazing. Since it is a vanilla one drop, most people just ignore it. I had a game where my opponents spent their removal early, and my Mob grew to have 29 power. So satisfying when I dropped a Return of the Wildspeaker.

[@Sun-ng7gj]

Vampire nighthawk has got me through early game playing mono black vampire tribal many times.. I have both of those though ha

[@wyvrenkiller]

sheoldred and platinum angel in a yennet, cryptic sovereign deck

[@BornFromEmbers]

I Sheoldred in my Ratadrabik deck! Ratadrabik will just make a token of her if she dies, so it’s much easier to untap with her. Pair that with gift of immortality or any reanimate spell and it’s pretty easy to have like 3 out at one time.

[@verbugterherrderdunkelheit6086]

Pridemaid is super great in Queza Commander decks, because you constantly get 1 life. Combine it with a wedding invitation, which already fits great into this deck, you get a potential unblockable swing of 20 or even higher with just a 2 mana investment.

[@joebaumgart1146]

That's why you run multiple redundant copies of Platinum Angel effects. Gideon of the Trials, Cloudsteel Kirin, ect. Then run Lich's Mirror and Enduring Angel.

[@edschramm6757]

Platinum angel is in three decks I've made. It has been a consistent performer in my 4 color Lich deck (funny, I want "you can't lose" next to cards that can instantly end me), and in my Etrata the Silencer deck. It is a little less consistent in the Shalai, Voice of Plenty deck, but I have to wonder how much of that is it's only really been handled by a relatively new player, or by me in a test where I'm using decks against each other

[@Linky609]

Sheoldred and platinum angel can be useful in the right shells. Sheoldred is really only good in some kind of reanimator to avoid the cost. I've run platinum angel in kaalia at times, easy yo cheat in and pair it with greaves and avacyn pretty much gg.

[@justarandomcommenterdontmi4485]

I once used a scute mob to destroy an opponent without attacking once via it powering up, dying wish, and doom blade

[@that_skyguy]

Plat Angel will trigger the new Eldrazi commander coming in august so she’s on my list for that. And the effects are fun.

[@michaelcollins4534]

plat angel is great in my bosh deck. (mid power)

[@TheCommandSphere]

Vampire nighthawk in the new indominus Rex deck

[@EidoEndy]

Alright, time to make a deck with all 5 of these bad boys.

[@thetrugoblinking]

i like the pridemate in my orzhov incremental life gain deck with Alyi eternal pilgrim at the helm its been a while but she can sac a creature and you gain lofe equal to itd toughness so it becomes a great target to sac.

[@Onimura123]

I don't know a Plat angel with commanders plate kept us at the table till we decked out due to them having hex proof

[@samcarp7815]

Platinum angel in Kalia and having avacyn on the battlefield

[@reubs3240]

Really like Sheoldred in Satoru decks. Get some damage in, then end turn to possibly get some sacs in.

[@cadenbolin9567]

Platinum angel won me my last game. Got milled out but that gave me time to create enough tokens for lethal. Definitely a good card.

[@ericaferguson7169]

I still use Sheoldred in my Tergrid deck. Fits perfectly 😂

[@fooltheroyal8691]

Scute mob seems kinda insane- It's a 1 drop and ramping up to 5 lands can be done as early as turn 3. That means turn 4 they got a 9/9 that can have 1/1 counter effects on it like menace and trample. There are plenty of 1/1 counter decks out there since they're so strong and this card seems insane.

[@panthrosantech1540]

Sheoldred is killer in my Satoru deck. Swing in with an unblockable or flying 1 drop and BAM you are hitting for 6 and on upkeep getting another creature back and then having 1 less creature on each of your opponents turns to deal with. And bonus points if your opponents are playing black as you smack for 6 unblockable and can swap Sheoldred back into your hand to do it all over again.

[@irinamilanvishevsky7575]

Nighthawk works perfectly well in Edgar Markov. Good early game, and a good midgame blocker, as well as some life gain

[@ibetyoufivedollars]

Yeah it’s just a rock solid vampire card, I don’t see what’s wrong with it

[@Cookie_Magika]

Plat angel does work in my kozilek deck. I can get her out turn 3 (thanks tron lands) and if I can counter an opponent's ultimatum with her as the fodder

[@yuyano2009]

im running Sheoldred in my deck. i barely cast her since my deck focuses on reanimation.

[@lukesveen5269]

"Predictable timing" vs me who just raw casted Progenitus in my Jodah deck and legendary cascaded into Sheoldred instead of my 50 4 drops like Questing Beast or Sakashima.

[@flatline9737]

i'm currently trying to break platinum angel, making it impossible to remove, but it's easier said than done

[@testaklese]

Sheoldred is only bad because everyone cries and targets you as soon as she sticks.

[@victorperezurbano9504]

Which shows she's insanely good