5 Hidden Backups BG3 Devs Made For 0.1% Of Players

[@Bafila]

For anyone trying to replicate the Iron Throne exploit; MAKE SURE TO UNGROUP YOUR PARTY BEFORE JUMPING. Failing to do so will cause them to autopath into the hatch and start the timer. I was able to do it by stacking 3 chests on the hatch and using Nyrulna. No featherfall or enhance jump needed (though if you have low strength you might need enhance jump).

[@asyme9717]

That needs a bit more explanation - or... the tactic does. I didn't bring a 3rd crate on my honour run so I could see that pushing you through the roof and enabling jump - not sure how the trident would help? Or... how the tactic with enhanced jump would work. Tried that (and feather fall but no path available)

[@JPKloess]

This might just be something wrong with my game, but the iron throne glitch didn't work for me because Omelum's cutscene triggers which forces the countdown even if you jump out of the sub.

[@Bafila]

@@asyme9717 The trident gives extra jump distance (3m iirc) and immunity to fall damage

[@zotegaming5041]

@@JPKloess same, did you manage to find a way around that?

[@JPKloess]

@@zotegaming5041 No. Although if I play the game again I might try not interacting with Omelum (in Act 1) to see if that makes a difference.

[@starwarslover015]

To be fair with that Saravovk backup. In my evil dark urge run where I became an unholy assassin, he told me to come back and talk to him after I killed Orin, and when I did he attacked me so he could be the uncontested chosen of Bhaal.

[@ProxyGateTactician]

Yeah I think many people will find 1 of the 2 backups, but the odds of finding a 2nd one is kind of rare. As if you kill the entire orin temple you see 0. It's not very logical to kill half of the temple, and leave the other one alive.

[@yeast7485]

@@ProxyGateTactician I decided to be blessed by bhaal only after killing Orin, did a good guy durge up until that, and a fight with Minsc and Jaheira and harpers took place on the bridge to the temple of Bhaal after that. I think the first failsafe charachter died there, since I had the blue haired person at the final act giving me the buff. So maybe only one of the failsafe bhaal cultists at the temple joins that fight and can die while other stays behind? Didn't pay attention to her position during that.

[@TheCuriousFan1]

Ah yes, the video of Proxy Gate covering weird failsafes he's run over while trying to break the game over and over. Very good.

[@ProxyGateTactician]

Yeah pretty much a tuesday

[@formatomi]

And gets picked up by a lazy game journo a week later :’)

[@TheCuriousFan1]

@@formatomi A week? I'd assume they have the AIs primed to make a video summarising whatever he releases within the hour.

[@rafaszmuda669]

I wanted to give a like to this comment but I have seen 666 likes already and decided against it for numerological reasons.

[@estoyboy]

@@formatomi that's the most grating part. That kind of journalism really pisses me off, just give me the link and I'll watch it myself how do they make 400 words out of it with 4 ads, and 6 hyperlinks to tenuously related articles

[@Arby117]

8:17 There's a similar situation where the narrator summarizes what was said if you're a Bard and visit the Chromatic Scale shop in Baldur's Gate. If you select the Bard option while talking with the shop keeper, the narrator will describe you losing track of time discussing music with him.

[@ProxyGateTactician]

Didn't know about that one! Thanks for sharing

[@tinycatfriend]

i love that one! all my party members disapproved too, which was a hilarious touch. not sure if every companion is coded to disapprove here, but i hope they are

[@Arby117]

@tinycatfriend I was playing multiplayer so the only companion in our party at the time was Gale. He didn't disapprove. I guess it's possible that he excused it because I'm romancing him, but I also feel like Gale would understand regardless.

[@tinycatfriend]

@@Arby117 hah! yeah, him being cool with it makes total sense either way

[@ProfessorLink64]

Oh yeah just had that interaction last night in my honor mode game and nobody disapproved (I had Minthara, Astarion, and Gale with me). Thomas C. Quirkilious is a real happy fellow though absolutely love the guy!

[@orbitronsorbitrons]

I like how the footage from this video is with the characters from previous challenge runs. It was fun being able to go "oh wait I recognise the mutton chops of that halfling, or the unfortunate hairline of the gith". Also entirely unrelated but your videos got me to try DOS2 and now im 80 hours into it lol

[@ProxyGateTactician]

It's a great game, glad someone found it because of my content! I always wondered if people recognize these guys lol. I just had all these saves at various points of the game so I'd rather use them for footage. My files are a complete dumpster fire to look through.

[@JLeeRiddell]

I love these videos. Yesterday I followed Valeria out of Sharess and... took care of her there. When the sanctum opened and I was given a chance to become an Unholy Assassin, her lifeless body was chained to the platform. When I talked to Sarevok he congratulated me and told me to hop into the blood bath to finish the ritual. I expected to meet a new celestial NPC.

[@morgantaylor84]

Instead you discovered the true limit of Murder Hobo in that quest line as Larion realizes that murder hoboing isn't satisfying if every NPC just gets replaced lol so sometimes they just don't

[@Besieged1927]

Oh you mean the 5 hidden backups BG3 Devs had to make because of you? Absolute mad lad breaking the game in every conceivable way!

[@ProxyGateTactician]

Everytime I try to break it and find that they had accounted for it I'm more and more impressed by them. A lot of love went into this game

[@Besieged1927]

@@ProxyGateTactician It really was a labour of love, they thought of almost everything. Just finished watching SlimX's latest and between you two it's awe inspiring at the level of details Larien put into all their games but also disheartening when you see the slop that gets put out today by other studios.

[@BigDaddyWes]

Most games don't give the player nearly as much agency and ability to have an impact on how things go. But even when they do, it's very rare that there's this amount of attention to detail. They really did everything they could to make whatever decisions the player makes to actually feel like they were the right choice. It almost never tells the player no.

[@tinycatfriend]

and even when it does tell the player no, it's usually in a funny way! like the prism bouncing back into your hands, or getting yelled at for dropping the netherstones at the morphic pool. these don't feel like impediments, just the devs going "ok but we need that actually"

[@sarrach94]

@@tinycatfriend Dropping a netherstone in the iron throne has a funny failsafe where the emperor helps you track it to a fish that washed up on the shore, and then says something like "Do you have any idea how lucky you are?"

[@caesarczech7920]

@@tinycatfriend Yep it feels like DM going, I want to give you as much freedom as possible, but this would literally destroy the plot with no way to adjust, Nope not throwing it away.

[@sujimayne]

Most RPGs do. Particularly CRPGs.

[@Caiyde]

Larian: "We made a whole NPC you only encounter if you murder six fan-favourite characters in a row, just in case our players decided they wanted to do that." BioWare: "We removed worldstates because writing codex entries and alternate dialogue is too much work for too little payoff."

[@Ksa_gamerx]

"Gender stuff." Oh man, when i saw it online, i knew that bioware was affected by sweet baby inc (cancer of gaming industry) .

[@SilverEye91]

The first one makes a lot of sense as a not terribly unlikely scenario when you consider the game's co-op mode. It is absolutely very likely that someone would board the boat and go on without the rest of the party, and then get themselves killed. Of course another, more boring, way to fix it would be to teleport everyone to the boat so it's still nice to see that they did this.

[@Dimitrius1991]

About Obelia's dialog: I remember seeing in the game files for "Act3i" (the Iron Throne) something about lockpicking the entrance. So it wasn't supposed to be a continuous fight at some moment.

[@ProxyGateTactician]

I always wondered why it's like that in the first place. There's even an alternate dialogue if you travel there while gortash has travelled to the morphic pool that plays out, where his followers will talk to you instead of him on that intercom like normal.

[@Dimitrius1991]

@@ProxyGateTactician Yeah, I like those metalcore vibes. "The Iron Throne must be destroyed!🤘"

[@sarrach94]

There's a lot of dialogue in the game that shouldn't be reachable, but is due to exploits. You can tell Isobel that you killed the Nightsong, despite Last Light falling if you do so (but you can skip that with the silence spell). And Wyll and Karlach have unique dialogue if you talk to her after raiding the grove with Wyll in your party, at which point he should already have left (but he can be kept through killing him and then petting Scratch before reviving him after the goblin party).

[@C4xR34]

12:30 that fish has some moves. Even did a frontflip.

[@aryman6589]

I find it funny that there are so many failsafes, yet the game has the opposite problem all the time where characters you never met in previous acts talk to to you like you've known them for life. My first playthrough I never met Mol or Alfira or Voss in their intended locations, yet in later acts they spoke to me like we had met.

[@ProxyGateTactician]

Well Mol has the other kids who tell her about you. If you saved any kids then she is told by them about you. Mirkon is even seen in this video telling the kids about you saving them so it’s not something u need to even guess that happens. I’d assume they told alfira too. Plus if they’re alive for later acts it means you had saved them from the goblins and usually have a party where all of those people are invited although it is possible to skip that party

[@aryman6589]

@ProxyGateTactician My point isn't that the characters shouldn't be around in later acts,it's more so that they probably should have a line or two introducing themselves to us if we haven't met before. It's a little jarring to have a character talk as though I know them, and it definitely confused me a little my first time around. Mol and Alfira spoke to me with extreme familiarity, and when Voss appeared at camp after I slaughtered the creche having never met him, it would probably be good to clarify who you are! But yes, I definitely met the conditions for them to be around.

[@sujimayne]

​@@ProxyGateTacticianOk, Mr. Fanboy. The dialogue is really poorly written in BG3 and scripting is abysmal, with hundreds of bugs. You praise these fail-safes like such things haven't been in RPG games for the last two decades. The reality is that there are quite a few immersion-breaking situations like OP describes and your attempt at an excuse doesn't cut it. None of the characters act like someone told them or they overheard it. No, they act like certain dialogues and cutscenes, which didn't occur, happened.

[@galegorgeous8857]

@@aryman6589I had a problem with Mol too. I don’t want to pay her to get my items back when her kids stole them, so she got angry with me and sicced the guards at the Emerald Grove on me. But when I ran into her again in Act 2 she vouched for me and was super happy to see me. Weird

[@Jyleslow]

@@sujimayne Fanboy vs doomer

[@NataliaNeeSama]

Bhaal: "Yeah, murder is good!" Also Bhaal: "Stop murdering my followers! No buff for you!"

[@jaimer0514]

I've actually encountered Trinoda in every single one of my playthrougs because if Roah survives act 1 and 2 but you kill her in the Minsc figth (which I always do) Trinoda automatically appears at the guild hall later and the zent leader never shows up

[@saranonymous91]

Me too. I’ve always met Trinoda and she locked me into battle immediately. I never encountered Roah‘s other backup character.

[@Wirbesonders]

I find it odd that if Seravok dies, the NPC to provide aid isnt your butler. I mean, i guess he isnt the best help physically, but at least then you would (if thre previous three died) know Baahls got your back

[@MirOmran]

That Iron Throne exploit will be fun to do, proper "calculated" run of the place

[@ProxyGateTactician]

I spent about an hour searching the place, and trying to cast speak with dead on every single corpse in there. Nothing super interesting though

[@justaperson8781]

Yea gonna have to do that in my current run

[@tinycatfriend]

@@ProxyGateTactician question: can you free omeleuum before the fight starts? i know the gondians bug out, but does he? having him with me would be awesome

[@ProxyGateTactician]

@ he also bugged out when I tried to

[@tinycatfriend]

@@ProxyGateTactician damn!

[@TheFranciscoFm]

The Sarevok one (atleast the first guy) should be quite common, since Sarevok tells you to come back to him after killing Orin. And when you come back, he wants to fight you.

[@ProxyGateTactician]

True one of the 2 is probably common, but I doubt many people would see the other one unless it's by mistake

[@sodedra5855]

Proxy has played this game so much, Larian probably got him confused with a permanent NPC in game

[@ProxyGateTactician]

That'd be a dream come true. An NPC in a Larian game where it's just an NPC who asks stupid questions. Can a Cat beat X? Is Y a myth? Where is the hidden Z. A man can dream.

[@connorswetala5703]

There is another point in which the narrator will take over and tell you what to do next. In the cursed lands of you walk with karniss and then turn on him with the Harper's and in the fight all but the long haired archer dies. (I am not sure exactly which NPCs need to die for this this is just how it happened for me) The narrator takes over much in the same way as for the gondians

[@ProxyGateTactician]

Ohh good one. I don't think I've seen that one as I either saved them all or killed them all each time

[@LondorShade]

Why would the back up for Bhaal's boon not be Sceleritas? You literally can't kill him permanently, he in fact wishes you would kill him more.

[@Evanz111]

Amazing that they put this much effort in, although I can’t blame them for letting some slip through the cracks. Like in the Tavern in Act 2, I rolled some really difficult skill checks to lie about having the Artifact, and yet the woman ends up talking about it anyway once you progress in the quest :(

[@JRandall0308]

The level of patience it must’ve taken to assemble this video is astounding. I salute you, sir!

[@ten5h1]

One strange thing they missed. In the dream of Cazador you have playing an Astarion origin game, you can actually open the trade option. He has no goods to buy, but he does have gold. If you sell him stuff, that stuff isn’t in your inventory when you wake up. You also still have the gold you made from selling that stuff.

[@Machuell_DuLac]

Honestly, I end up being that less than 1% quite often, so I'm thankful for this level of detail in the game.

[@hamoobdi0405]

just more proof larian put so much love and passion into the game. best game devs ever

[@AtticaKish]

Wow, I had no idea Mitchia was a backup of a backup! She's the ally I got in the upper city when I tried out the Sins of the Father Ending. I'd used a save where I already killed Sarevok (and Rycke, I suppose)

[@OrigamiAhsoka]

I actually found another scenario of the narrator taking over in my honour mode playthrough-if you go with karniss to moonrise but then choose to side with the Harpers at the ambush, the narrator will take over for all of the Harpers if the one with the moon lantern dies!

[@sallyelizabeth5070]

Oh wow, I actually got Unholy Assassin Mitchia as my final ally in my embrace!Dark Urge game without actively trying and didn't realise she was a backup of a backup at all! Larian truly are amazing.

[@niknak2475]

I only learned about the iron throne beach because for some reason when I was playing through it with a friend for the first time, my Tav wasn't able to get back to the sub in time but she woke up on the beach at critical health with the various dead bodies with us so confused where she was and why she was still alive.

[@ProxyGateTactician]

If she was alive she had The Blood of Lathander equipped most likely

[@elenalizabeth]

Did you have death ward, survival instinct, or the blood of Lathander mace on that character maybe?

[@predwin1998]

8:11 Although not as overt in stating what is said, the narrator voices all the crime-related dialogues.

[@Crownofhearts237]

With the Sarevok one, he tells you to return to him after you slay Orin if you become an unholy assassin as Durge. Then he tries to kill you so he can become Chosen. So I imagine it's actually more common than some of the other scenarios here.

[@ProxyGateTactician]

true, but he does have 2 backups, and if you killed all of Orins temple you'll see neither. Most people dont just kill half of the temple

[@bob-rogers]

Thanks! I'm on my second playthrough now, and I've found a lot of different branches. Next time I'm definitely going to jump to the Iron Throne though. Cool.

[@teawithsunny]

I have to assume the interaction with Obelia Toobin when you jump out of bounds is left over from an older version of the Iron Throne that might have existed. Judging by the dialogue, maybe Gortash would have asked you to destroy the Iron Throne or something?

[@ProxyGateTactician]

That would have been a really cool idea actually. Was really surprised she said anything at all when I got in there like that

[@ReisskIaue]

I really would have loved, if Larian had chosen to use Biff the Understudy, at least on time, if you accidently killed a key character (in BG 1Biff stepped in in sequences, when you accidently (or on purpose) killed an NPC before the sequence started. And in BG2 he was a member of a theatre posse).

[@RobinDragonryder]

How was there a pcgamer article about this less than 5 mins after it was posted??? Regardless, badass!!

[@ProxyGateTactician]

lol no ur joking....... right?

[@kingofgrim4761]

Bro what??

[@RobinDragonryder]

Apparently it was an old article that happened to pop up.on my feed just as you uploaded this lmao

[@ProxyGateTactician]

@@RobinDragonryder lol okay. To be fair they've made like 10 articles about my vids by this point so I wouldn't have been surprised. They even basically re-posted one of mine to Tik-Tok after editing my video's footage....

[@kittyshippercavegirl]

@@ProxyGateTactician I love gaming journalism....

[@dragonlordtux]

I actually ran into Mitchia during my latest "Burn it all" Durge run, strange because I've never even knew about Rycke's existence. I've only killed Orin and booked it immediately to Sarevok (only to find out he'll betray you anyway. Stupid old man, you asked me to come over after killing Orin, I expected tea)

[@Noneyo-Bidness]

Larian seems to me like a company that excels at worker synergy. That's the only way I can explain that they would follow tiny strains of logic to their end. Larger devs and publishers seem to accelerate the production by delegating using a "patchwork" production, and then finding strains of narrative logic to flimsily tie the independently created elements together to form an apparent whole.

[@mal2ksc]

When I was in charge of handing out character paths on a project, I made everyone submit TWO of them: the usual one if their character was chosen as main, but also another version if they _aren't,_ so everyone else can consistently account for what this character would be doing if left to their own devices.

[@katlewis7440]

Great video! I ran into another narrator takeover. In my honor mode run, I entered the Shadowlands via the mountain route and walked down the path with Kar'niss. When we got to the Harper ambush, I switched sides and helped the Harpers, but I guess enough of the Harpers died during the fight that after it was over, a random Harper ran up to me, and the narrator told me how to get to Last Light Inn. They really thought of everything in this game.

[@drdrako98]

Your videos always give me TheEpicNate’s old Skyrim fact video vibes. Takes me back to better times.

[@MajorCinnamonBuns]

Even when I try to do everything through multiple playthroughs I always find something new. Videos like this show just how much work Larian did and why it's the best game ever.

[@kyuven]

Also my favorite back up is that absolute insane number of tieflings intended to fill in for a dead zevlor, added almost entirely because EA players kept coming up with increasingly convoluted means of killing him.

[@eviem5658]

Didn’t know most of these but the only truly surprising one is Rycke because I’ve killed Sarevok several times and only ever seen Mitchia

[@sirflimflam]

When I first played, both the bard and the little tiefling had died. Had no idea there was more to that hideout the children were in

[@swineflu652]

OH LMAO Mitchia is a backup?? She showed up in the finale on my siding-with-bhaal playthrough and I just assumed the temple had sent their very best blue haired messenger. I remember killing Sarevok, he started it. I don't remember killing the other guy, but thats how it goes for a murder hobo ig

[@bixusmaleficus]

Excellent work (both to Larian and Proxy)!

[@Empinada]

There's also the one where the dm appears in-game as a judge and you have to convince them you're not up to anything fishy if you've been trying to break a certain combat encounter early in act 1. Many rolls were failed trying to persuade my way out of that one.

[@cookiecrispsssss]

In regards to the narrator taking over and describing what a character is saying, another instance of it can be triggered if you side with the Harpers against the caravan in act 2 and the main Harper guy ends up dying

[@ericmyrs]

This is very interesting. I got one of my characters shoved to death during that boat fight, and with no corpse I assumed they (and more importantly their gear) were gone forever, and I rage quit and restarted. Next time I fuck something up totally, I will just roll with it, and see where it goes.

[@DemianCorvus]

That first one I got with some friends. One of our group gets easily distracted and wasn't with the party when we boarded the boat. After we lost, we had a rematch on the shore.

[@TFalconwing]

I actually killed both Zhenterrim leaders in my first playthrough by chance, so I didn't even realize that was a rare interaction or that there were backups set up.

[@eleanorcooke7136]

It's cool that Cerys arrives to replace Zevlor but even when he doesn't doesn't die, she shows up in act 2.

[@Dmanbradley]

Ran into three of these in my last playthrough. It was my first time refusing to save scum to save NPCs, but also a year since my last playthrough. I didn't notice any but the Mother Brain guard one. That character wasn't focussed on in the fight yet randomly moved the story along. It felt off.

[@MajorTanya]

Notification Squad reporting for duty! Thanks as always for your videos, Proxy ❤

[@omnisel]

withers reviving players is simply a backup-backup. I'm sure the thought process was for players to always be able to revive their party members and not _have_ to rely on withers. This would also be why party members falling into chasms allows their spirit to float back up to be revived. I guess they could have done that for that Ebonlake fight too, but I suppose they already had a system in place to have the bodies wash up to avoid players being unnecessarily careful with the enemy bodies during the fight, so they just used that instead - and it's cool.

[@ProxyGateTactician]

EA withers couldn’t revive people is why that was made. It was the only backup at that time

[@omnisel]

@@ProxyGateTactician Ah, I didn't know about that, that makes sense. Though that backs up saying that withers revives are backup backup.

[@gr_avery656]

Oh the Zhent one is interesting bc I dont think I've never not killed those characters so I didn't even know they were supposed come back in the new locations

[@orelas167]

We've come a long way since Biff the Understudy.

[@Joe-um7sx]

4:10 'nerd face' if you side with said disgruntled duegar, then side with nere against them he awards you a tadpole after they are defeated. before leaving (maybe just before long resting) if you then fight nere you get his. 2 for 1 baybeee -nere's allies are unusually ok with hostile actions towards them while facing the duegar... not hard to thin them down to just nere during the fight. -gnomes are fine... assuming you didn't harm them in battle/literally tell nere to kill them (they may not be fine after that)

[@spellandshield]

I think at this stage, BG3 is like breathing for you.

[@kaebear313]

I got the Fist Griff failsafe on my first playthrough. I got really confused on my second run when some random gnome lady started talking to me after the fight, but I thought I'd just misremembered. Now I know I wasn't crazy. Thanks, Proxy!

[@bunnyboygamille]

I regularly encounter the third backup Zhent 😅. I for some reason got the blue haired Bhaalist in spite of only killing Orin inside the temple (I killed Sarevok because I wanted to know how he'd react if you side with Bhaal and then go bother him again... immediately hostile). The beach in Act 3 was an accidental discovery due to Shart having the Blood of Lathander equipped. And now I need to go loot the corpses on the beach in the Underdark because I've never ventured back there once I get to Grymforge. Just a lot of visits to the Miconid Colony to buy stuff from Derryth.

[@DinkLink]

This is interesting because, for me, Manip failed a check and died trying to deliver "her" lines But since she started speaking for about 0.02 seconds before dying, no other NPC showed up to speak So I had no clue what happened and had to look it up online

[@little_valkyrie]

Meanwhile I'm going: "There's a doppelganger that gives you instructions for the Unholy Assassin quests?!" I somehow missed that guy both runs, even my Durge one. I think I just found that quest via the murder investigation.

[@ProxyGateTactician]

Yeah if you kill one of the victims from the list he shows up to tell you about the quest

[@guessforyourself]

nothing like a proxy gate breaks baldur's gate 3 video

[@Haferkoko]

Meanwhile on my first playthrough my game got bugged bc I killed Kagha before killing the entire Goblin camp and rescuing Halsin. He sent me to the shadow realms and told me he'd meet me later. He never met me later. He was considered dead for the rest of the game! And the best part... Minthara had memories of raiding the grove with me, when in reality we never even talked before act 3! All I did was kill the goblins and knock out Minthara.

[@FinlayDaG33k]

And then, there's the netherstone fish.

[@adrianlayman892]

2:46 Is this Nappa?!? God Bless you ALL!

[@sesimie]

A year later and we still finding out new stuff. BG3 definitely set a standard in feature rich gaming!

[@PeteB90]

they wash up on the beach?! man, sometime i should go back to "finished" areas lol

[@LivadaNiki]

I started my 3d playthrough not that long ago and by some weird chance of events my Gale's icon picture on the side of the screen shows him naked instead of fully dressed up. Not that I'm complaining ahah

[@SergeantStark]

I got Kirgrath in my first playthrough because the other guy died, I had no idea that Kirgrath shows up out of nowhere and just assumed he was a character I glossed over lol

[@JPKloess]

I feel like I've killed Roah Moonglow in almost every single playthrough, but her exact same model keeps popping up in act 3 no matter what.

[@kyuven]

Its notable that the gondian failsafe is in act 3 where theres a lot of half-finished content. They probably intended for there to be a way to access the iron throne without being in combat while working for gortash (thus obelia's line about ignoring Gortash) but scrapped it before they finished since the section was probably taking too much development time.

[@Hydereal]

This video has made me aware of Mirkon's existence for the first time after countless of hours

[@MargaManterola]

I encountered the Zhentarim backup, but I think it was because I managed to kill the other Zhentarim before they managed to escape in the fight with Minsc.

[@4m4n40]

The best backup is one that doesn’t exist until they’re required

[@Bobbobbob984]

The first scenario also covers the much more likely scenario you somehow yeef yourself info the water

[@Quxxnstars]

Wait now I'm curious how a run with only meeting failsafe npcs would look like

[@sakurabloosoms]

I really needed this man thank you

[@clutchedbyanangel]

7:53 omg it's Schmaradin! 8:10 Any time you are witnessed committing a crime and accosted by a guard, Narrator speaks for them.

[@kieransligh3204]

11:22 never knew he was supposed to show up there. My first time playing dark urge, I went to talk to him after I killed Orin because he had asked me to and he tried to kill me to become Bhaal's chosen. After this, whenever I play dark urge I just kill him out of spite.

[@sarrach94]

I've only done embrace durge once, and of course I killed him because I wanted to see what happened/didn't know he could show up at the end. I did spare him with one of my resist durges because there's so little info about when he shows up, but he was't there obviously. He does write a pretty interesting letter to you in the epilogue though.

[@django3422]

Trinoda is a general backup for that Zhent fight. If you leave Roah alive until the fight with Minsc, then kill her during, Trinoda will show up at the Guild hideout all the same.

[@golfclubthatkilledjoel706]

They probaly just made an mission and got any guy questioning what ifs like an kid wanting to win against you in a game of scissors so they just realized the situations that can happen to come up with those

[@shadow11829]

So that's why I didn't get the boon of Bhaal in my game, jeez, and here I thought I was being a good Durge by killing as many people as possible.

[@flaming_manticore]

11:22 You actually don’t have to be a murder hobo to get assassin Rycke to trigger. If you are durge siding with Bhaal, Sarevok will encourage you to come back to him after you visit Orin but just tried to kill you instead lol

[@Dylamn]

2:51 Never knew this harpy encounter existed.

[@surr3ald3sign]

"If you didnt have withers by this point in the story" thats physically not possible as entering the underdark is one of the triggers to force him to appear in camp

[@surr3ald3sign]

There is almost no way to make it that far into act 1 without him entering your camp bc act 1 is absolutely littered with trigger points that force him to spawn

[@ProxyGateTactician]

Interesting I didn't realize that. I knew he joins at the goblin camp, but didn't know about the underdark. I guess it's more of an early access thing then because withers couldn't revive people during EA.

[@elisitchin3279]

Have you ever considered doing a challenge run where you kill every living thing in the game? There would probably be dozens of failsafes you'd discover!

[@ProxyGateTactician]

Someone else has already done it and I try to do things others haven’t done

[@elisitchin3279]

@ProxyGateTactician Do you know who has? I'd like to see if I can replicate their results.

[@ProxyGateTactician]

@@elisitchin3279 I believe Dumpykong did it in a 3 part series. Not sure if he got 100% of the NPC's but he did try

[@LeoTheDarkAngel]

I don't think Manip Edenosa chose to help the people because she is a fist, I always thought that was the brain talking, being freed from its shackles and refusing to take orders from a random Bhaalist. Since she says "we do not serve" in a very weird way, as if the brain was talking for the collective, not the Manip talking for the Fists. But that's just my interpretation, yours may be correct; it just never occurred to me because I thought no one can resist the brain's command once tadpoled. (unless you are the main character of course)

[@bukojoetheslapsoils8273]

Both Sarevok and Mitchia were in my pre-final fight room.

[@Alex-nk8bw]

Didn't know about the Iron Throne exploit. It's one of my favourite quests though, so I'd never cheese it. ;-)

[@ProxyGateTactician]

It's worth trying just to explore it one time I'd say. I found it pretty interesting to see it all

[@Alex-nk8bw]

@@ProxyGateTactician yeah, you're right. I'm not doing another Honor Mode run, so it's safe to try, and then reload if I really want to. :)

[@JoshSweetvale]

"Manip" isn't a name. It's Flaming Fist Roman for 'Sarge'

[@ProxyGateTactician]

Ohh I had no idea. I saw today another character with Manip and thought that’s weird. This makes more sense

[@rustyjones7908]

Another narrator failsafe: if you fight Karniss and take the Harper's side in chapter 2 and your only surviving member is a hireling the narrator will take over. I imagine there are others if a hireling is the only survivor but I haven't tested it.

[@infected89]

Yet when you immediately head to moonrise towers in act 2, free the prisoners and join them on the boat, celebrate with Rolan at the inn, Rolan will still take off afterwards and possibly die in order to save his friends... that he just left behind at the inn. That scenario isn't even unlikely if you immediately call for spiderman and tag along to the towers, because nothing else besides blind exploration will take you to the inn.

[@ProxyGateTactician]

Pretty sure in that scenario he takes off out of frustration and being drunk to prove to others that he is capable still. He isn’t celebrating he is stubborn and angry at the player because he was going to do it himself. Unless I’m totally misremembering how that dialogue goes down when that happens? It’s possible I am

[@Emma-se5wm]

@@ProxyGateTactician I got this dialogue last night and it was really immersion breaking. I entered through the mountain pass, and didn't trigger absolute caravan dialogue so there was no harper ambush. It was just our party when the drider group showed up so I forced him to give me the lantern. Then we went to moonrise towers before even seeing LLI, freed the prisoners and rode the boat with them to LLI. Rolan, Cal, and Lia had a happy reunion. I long rested, then took the road into the town and Rolan was there with the shades. He told me he was trying to save Cal and Lia.

[@wave6553]

I remember playing bg3 for the first time when I got to grymforge I realized there was some things I forgot to do in the starting area of the underdark so I went back there, finished my business, took a long rest, and travelled back to grymforge only to find literally everyone dead. I was so confused as I hadn't even talked to anyone besides the one conversation it forces you into when you arrive.

[@ProxyGateTactician]

Yeah they did end up fixing that, but for a long time that was the case.

[@raginglevi]

There's a failsafe NPC in Karlach's Act 3 romance, the date. I am not super knowledgeable on the NPC' origins, but the waiter can die at some point, and if he dies, another NPC much like the first one will be the waiter instead. It's kinda funny

[@ohthatguy9701]

I haven't tried it yet, but I've heard if you drop one of the Netherstones in the Iron Throne, some Sahuagin will have them.

[@kittykat123425]

And this is why Baldur's Gate 3 won Game of the Year

[@LeoTheDarkAngel]

Ngl, when this video popped up, I was feeling a little nervous, as I'm doing a kill-all-run and I already had to redo dozens of hours of gameplay because I missed a failsafe or a story npc that is linked to a certain outcome and I was afraid this video would make me redo a lot again (I'm roughly halfway through Act 3 at this point), but so far everything seems fine, I did discover the failsafe for Edenosa and I killed the Bhaalist recruit just to see if there would be a failsafe for him, but haven't reached that part of the quest yet. As to if there is another time where the narrator speaks for the npc instead of the npc themselves: Voiceless Penitent Bareki has such a dialogue. But since he's voiceless and the narrator explains his movements rather than reiterates what he is saying, I'm not sure if this qualifies for what you meant. Edit: There are also failsafes for the harpers and fists that attack moonrise after you freed the Nightsong, in case you didn't know about that. But they are listed in the wiki, so I assume they are relatively common knowledge.

[@senittoaoflightning4404]

I genuinely thought Mitchia was the back up for Saverok, I have never seen the other guy.