5 of the Most ANNOYINGLY AVERAGE Trains Ever 🚂 History in the Dark 🚂

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[@scottfranklin4408]

I swear, half the reason I watch this guy is to see him break down over BR, the other half of course is the excellent train-based content

[@TankEngineMedia]

Same

[@Monst3rNetwork]

I totally agree 🤣👍🏻

[@fanofeverything30465]

Completey

[@Kingofdestruction2019]

Why does he hate British railways?

[@4-8-4Northern]

Same

[@jacobwhittington2462]

Maybe your newest train list should be "The 5 most Gorgeous Trains Ever"

[@Sigil_Firebrand]

I'll second this, accepting that the idea of beauty is subjective!

[@Vextrix739]

Il put the DR 18 201 in it and maybe the daylight 4449 and absolutely have to put n&w 611

[@rivertownproductions]

@@Vextrix739 don’t forget the Dreyfuss Hudsons?

[@xri0tt]

maybe lner a4?

[@amtrakisveryepic]

Yeah the SP Gs-class 2 through 6's are stunning😤👌

[@Simon-Davis]

The thing in the GP39s favour is that turbocharging helps when working at altitude. The problem there though is that with altitude comes grades, and grades are cruel on B-Bs, so the GP39 was already at a loss vs the SD40 and even the SD39.

[@BoaFilmsPlc]

I started my railway career on the Western Region in 1990. I often got told that "There's BR, and then there is the WR". The GWR was always an oddball, originally laid in 7ft 1/4inch gauge instead of 4ft 81/2 as all other lines were etc.

[@olivercook9663]

One thing I love about this channel, other than the sheer amount of effort put into each video, is the fact that it's not just American stuff, so many channels ignore the rest of the world, but this gets it just right. Kudos

[@nilo9456]

I note DtC doesn't spend much time on locomotive's that don't originate or operate in English speaking countries.

[@tim3172]

@@nilo9456 On locomotive's what?

[@prjndigo]

I can get behind this series. Make another! I'd argue the GP35 was a little more average than the GP39. Being on the side of the ICG I'm familiar with the GP28's excessively averageness but the 28's were never annoying.

[@roberthuron9160]

Note(s); The 0-10-0's in the US,were used in heavy switching,and as hump engines! The NYC,C&O,B&O,were the main users,but there were a few mine railroads that also used them!! The 2-10-0's,initially were used for pusher engines,on the Santa Fe,and later,morphed into 2-10-2's,as was better going downhill in reverse,since the trailing truck,guided the engine! The area,where all the experiments,was done,was the Raton Pass,and other heavy gradients,so there is some more history,now overlooked!! The British,in some ways,were students of American practice,as the GWR,and G

[@sweetroll1723]

Man I just found this channel a week ago and this guy is absolutely pumping out content. And it's all good! Most impressive.

[@Gordanovich02]

I absolutely have a soft spot for the Alco PAs, despite me being British. As a child I had a book of trains around the world - it was mostly pictorial, just with maybe a half page of text for each section. Anyway, in the North American Passenger Trains section there was a picture of a Delaware & Hudson PA-1 running alongside Lake Champlain, and I just thought it was an amazing looking thing.

[@michaelosgood9876]

The Love of Trains by Hand & Edmonson. Mostly pictorial, but The best of train photography to this day. A book I got for Chrstmas in mid 70s & refound this book, in mint condition, in a 2nd hand book barn coupla years ago for NZ$3!

[@Gordanovich02]

That's the one!

[@IndustrialParrot2816]

actually the problem with the PAs was that their prime mover's were very unrelible this problem also plauged the RS-3 and FA

[@rapcreeperproductions3269]

You should do something on Union Pacific's superpower addiction. Like their turbines, diesels, and steam engines (the largest of them of course).

[@jacobwhittington2462]

Is it possible to do a list of "The 5 Worst Construction vehicles Ever"? Or "The 5 Worst Semi-Trucks Ever"? PLEASE

[@jacobwhittington2462]

@@sirrliv for which list? Semi-trucks or construction vehicles?

[@zacharybogle2473]

5 Worst Cars Ever would be excellent

[@jacobwhittington2462]

@@zacharybogle2473 Actually, that specific list is done to dead on many other channels. Just sayin'

[@jameskubajak9628]

Clearly, the "-2" version of the GP39 was more successful. The interesting thing was that it was introduced in 1974, instead of 1972, like the others!

[@uncinarynin]

Having grown up in (southwest) Germany, DB class E40/140 immediately comes to mind. A 4-axle electric locomotive predominantly for freight, conventional electrics, no regenerative or otherwise dynamic brake, without particular issues, built from the 1950s to the 1970s and a good number of them lasted beyond 2000, some are still used by other operators. Longevity means they're not particularly bad, but they are also kind of low-tech and not particularly powerful or fast. Just "sufficient for the average flatland freight train".

[@robertwilloughby8050]

Didn't a few also do passenger work? And I know that I'm in danger of fragmentationitis, but wouldn't that come under the new category "Locomotives that were good - but boring"?

[@laszlokaestner5766]

The Western Region certainly saw itself as the direct descendent of the Great Western Railway and thus better than the rest of British Rail, a "fact" they revelled in. They enjoyed winding the rest of BR up and rubbing their noses in it to the point that the lead of the Class 52 D1000 was (I kid you not) named "Western Enterprise". I mean why didn't they just unfurl a banner saying "This is us, we' are better than you"? All the class were named in a two part configuration with "Western" followed by another word (so not just regular Enterprise, but Western Enterprise). A couple of highlights that show just how much the Western Region thought of themselves being the aforementioned Enterprise but also Firebrand, Champion, Gladiator, Reliance, Renown, Dominion and Stalwart. In theory all these names were were taken from noble titles, warships and so on. In reality the Western thought they were reflecting themselves. They were actually capable of 100mph working but the ride could become quite violent as their bogies were not really up to it hence they were officially limited to 90mph. Western Stalwart however was known as a fast runner and in "unofficial" speed tests could maintain a 100mph+ average on long runs with heavy 15 car trains. Once useful asset was that like the Warship Class (42/43) they had dual engines and gearboxes. This made them more complex but also meant that they could still move when they suffered a failure. They were also designed on a modular basis so that an engine change and other repairs took a lot less time than their counterparts. Less useful was the lack of Electric Train Heating (ETH) as mentioned elsewhere in this video. They were flawed but were only considered an interim locomotive by the Western Region who had plans for an even bigger, faster variant that should have cured many of the problems associated with the 52's. It was mostly malice from BR that killed them off. They were replaced by the class 50's which while diesel electric were less numerous than the 52's so non-standard themselves. It is also notable that BR later went back to hydraulic transmission, reintroduced dual engines on the HST and made modularity standard in all new types showing the Western actually were really ahead of the curve. In many respects the Westerns represented the final hurrah for the old GWR and lineage from Isambard Kingdom Brunel.

[@mikethecabbie8476]

Spoken like a true Western enthusiast... I loved them; the noise they made, and with a traction effort to make a "47" weep, they were awesome. The other advantage that you touched upon was that on the testing Devon and Cornwall stretches, they could limp to Newton Abbott or Plymouth Laira if they developed a problem. When they were superceded by the hideous class 50 "Hoovers", they frequently double-headed them - in case! Loved watching the "Warships " and "Hymeks" too...!

[@richardrowland2898]

There are two ways of doing things, the Great Western way and the wrong way.

[@Mattfly1980]

As a PRR lover I think the K4. It was an amazing locomotive and the few streamlined ones are really cool . But as much as I love it, it is a plain engine, not exciting. Granted it was one of the best Pacific types.

[@IndustrialParrot2816]

yeah simple but effective

[@uscgtankerwhitmore8777]

id say the problem with ALCO diesels wasn't the type at all, but the 244 engine. If the 244 was built properly and went through the proper test instead of rushing out the door, ALCO would have held on longer.

[@irishtank42]

Good addition to the video list! S160 is the American stream locomotive version of Johnny Cash's "Everywhere" song.

[@ashleycordery2976]

British rail has no end... 🤣

[@Gordonjamesheneryproductions]

Seriously is there any way for him to escape British rail

[@TB76Returns]

Another one for this list to go on with Darkness' BR Running gag is the Class 31, they had some issues at the start but they evolved to become better

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

The Class 31s had none of the issues you are hinting at, that was the production batch of Class 30s.

[@robertwilloughby8050]

@@neiloflongbeck5705 Agreed, but they were a bit sluggish (having 1470hp in a 109 ton unit will do that) and when they went, they went, unlike some classes that could limp home. Oh, and the door windows tried to assassinate their drivers (I think, somewhere out there is a documented occurrence of a driver being killed by a Class 31 door window snapping back up ) But I am not sure where to put it! It could fit in all three, from the worst of the worst, to the best of the best.

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

@@robertwilloughby8050 they may have been sluggish but that's probably more to do with them retaining their original electrics and 1470hp being the max that it could take. Having said that the engines were never over stretched making them fairly reliable.

[@robertwilloughby8050]

@@neiloflongbeck5705 Fair enough. It's just that I don't know what to make of them. I do have a favourite 31, though - 31 411. Never had a bad journey behind that one.

[@blanetrain9584]

People seem to stereotype that the 244 was an unreliable prime mover yet the Southern, a railway that didn't purchase any new ALCOs after the first-generation, kept a sizeable fleet of 244-powered RS-3s running into the early-mid 70s after many other railroads had stopped running them altogether (L&N did similarly but they also had second-generation ALCOs and ran some into the early 80s). Although there's no denying that EMDs are built rugged, ALCOs could definitely hold their own when cared for as seen with many other minority diesels that have kept their keep after bigger railroads spun them off decades ago. Regarding the PA, I would say a bigger issue was that they used a less common 16-244 compared to the more common 12-244 along with reaching the end of most of their leases around the same time that passenger services nationwide were declining heavily thus giving less reason for railroads to keep them around (E-units did tend to stick around with some lasting into Amtrak, but they were similarly worn if not more by then) Although the GP-39 itself didn't sell that well, it did serve as a good base for the 39-2 given their altitude performance and related fuel economy as the 70s saw fuel costs rise plus gave EMD a direct horsepower comparable locomotive to the GE U23B developed around the same time

[@micoasters]

The alco f/pa are actually my favorite diesel locomotives after the emd f/e units

[@officialpennsyjoe]

I have two Broadway Q2's and I love them. I think as a possible extinct engine being brought back for records sake, it would be a great publicity and tourist attractor.

[@airgunzel4430]

The reason why British Rail Western Region went with diesel Hydraulics is because of the Dawlish coastline (The Railway between Exeter and Newton Abbot that ran along the coast on a seawall) which often ran through heavy swells and ALOT of water. Hydraulics are useful as they don't suffer "electrical problems" when the get wet. (Unlike diesel-electrics which regularly do break down currently on this line.) The management of the Western Region wanted locos that could work even when saturated in seawater. Hence the class 35, 42, 52's. British Rail in their short sightedness simply wanted "standardisation", and clearly not reliability!

[@Trainman10715]

While that is correct, it was only ever a theory that diesel electrics would break down at the touch of seawater, br went for standardisation once it became apparent that diesel electrics were generally fine with the sea water. Look at the diesel electric HSTs for example, there're videos of them being absolutely battered by waves at Dawlish and yet still working perfectly

[@MrMiz1113]

From what I've read, the major issues with the Q2, beyond those already discussed, were that they were extremely thirsty. Additionally, one of the major driving ideas behind duplexes in general was to increase speed potential by reducing dynamic augment. However, the speed limits on the Pennsy prevented the Q2s from really taking much advantage of this. At the speeds allowed for freight along most of the lines they worked, they didn't perform that much better than a J1.

[@NBRailfan]

Next time he sees the BR logo he’ll just scream at it

[@ashleyjiscool]

Bet

[@Funni_Slime_Human]

Im gonna scream too.

[@Reptilianmaster-1120]

''History in the dark'' Discover a british rail locomotive History in the dark'' Oh s**t here we go again

[@davidgriffin9412]

The GP39s only problem was it was turbo charged, which really helped at altitude. The cost of maintaining the turbo was why more weren't sold. But when fuel became more expensive the GP39-2 came into being as it was more fuel efficient than a GP38-2. The PRR Q2 had the problem that they only were ever operated a medium speeds. If they had been bought by the UP and used where the Big Boy's were, they probably would have been very efficient and quite powerful as they could achieve and maintain full power more often.

[@troyglazathefurry]

The picture for the gp39 is the copper basin railway and I have an old book from 1991 on that railroad!

[@northernhillbilly2882]

Something you could do for "best Trains ever" are the Great Northern's (USA) O-8 2-8-2 Mikados. They were Mikes that could out power 2-8-4 Berkshires. With them having 75,000 lbs of tractive effort, compared to NKP 765 having about 65,000 lbs of tractive effort.

[@gyralite]

I'm not sure I'd say the ALCo PA model was "average" on the Espee. Espee loved the PAs in many assignments where they found EMD Es not satisfsctory--such as the Shasta Daylight. As delivered the Shasta had EMD E7s, but harsh tunnel conditions and grades soon favored the PAs for this service. The PAs were the preferred passenger power from Oakland and railroad east to Portland and Ogden. The Espee Es were mostly relegated to LA, though some notable exceptions in the Bay such as the Queen Mary. In total, Southern Pacific Lines (SSW/T&NO/SP) had 52 PA1/PB1 and PA2/PB2. The UP didn't care much for the PA design and only rostered 8. The Santa Fe had 28. If I'd say there was an "average" design, I'd point to the ALCo FA or the unibiquitois EMD F or later GP7/GP9s. The locomotives that broke steam were excellent and became the new average.

[@nickdrake527]

First off the Altoona Locomotive Works documents state that the Q2 made 8500 hp. Also I think the Alco PA would be better if it was engine swapped with an EMD motor. Always love your content. If you make another horrible engine episode add the Q1 and the PRR steam turbine. Another average engine that should be mentioned is the GP49

[@krismangila1594]

A more appropriate engine swap is what Doyle McCormack did to his PA-1: He put a 251 motor in it, taken from an ex-BC Rail Alco. Alco had plans to replace the PA-1's original 244 powerplant with the 251, but then decided to discontinue the PA altogether.

[@Amigafur]

Fun fact! No one seems to know where the Alco PB steam generator (the last Alco PB unit) is. IIRC the company that did that no longer exists.

[@tjmfarming9584]

This I can get behind, a loco I may suggest for the next episode would be the Midland Railway of Western Australia (MRWA) F class, built to replace their fleet of steam locomotives in the 1950’s and are strikingly similar to the BR Class 20. They were under the ownership of WAGR post 1964 when MRWA was merged/bought by WAGR and continued to operate until the 1980’s. They weren’t the greatest in the world nor were they the worst, so it would suit the list

[@thehorrocksbranch9888]

(Don’t quote me on this but-) I’m pretty sure the UK has one of the best preservation to running ratio, aka, a lot of the ones preserved were restored and run/ran after they were sacked from their original company.

[@dominicbarden4436]

I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case, we do have lots of locos kicking around. Heck, some of them still haven't been restored to this day while others have only been used as spares or as parts donors for new builds.

[@bluerodan561]

I know this probably is a bit too broad, but what would a "5 of the most mysterious locomotives" go? Like just ones that were confirmed to be built, but almost nothing is recorded about them. The only thing i was able to truly find for this was grew's ice locomotives, so not sure how it would work. If it's stupid ignore it, just had the thought a while ago and wanted to offer it (also sorry for your unicycle lion curse but thank you for having the reactions you do, my sister and I both watch these videos and it makes our days)

[@robertwilloughby8050]

So something like the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railways projected 2-10-0 of 1916 - also known jokingly as Hughes Handcart! That would have been a fantastic design, if a tad ungainly.

[@olly5764]

Most of the diesel hydraulics were actually pretty good, not just the 52s, but the Warships and the hymeks, what the 52s lost in grunt at the top end, they gained in the way hydraulic transmission puts power on the road, meaning they would accelerate like a bat out of Hell. The fact that BR went over to Hydraulic transmission for many of their Diesel Multiple units in the 80s makes you wonder if dispensing on the Western region's big locos was as much of a good idea as they thought. The Western region, or what it has become, can still be a bit rebelious74 years after the company which is the route of that rebelious nature ceased to exist

[@griffinrails]

How about the Xtrapolis 100? Melbourne bought hundreds, but most of them are labelled as interim rolling stock. It’s just a bit more, then a bit more, then a bit more, then just a bit more, then... They’re good for reliability and have great destination boards, capacity and speakers, however the seats are AWFUL, some have no priority seats, the lights are an ugly yellow and the gangways are garbage and primitive.

[@keithjones589]

quick someone find an underwater Brittish Railway train. lol

[@pastaweasel5088]

Ok I have the perfect engines for the next list. The Caledonian 49 and 903 Cardean Class 4-6-0s. They were meant to replace elder 4-4-0s but weren’t much of an improvement. One was involved in the Quintinshill Rail Disaster.

[@robertwilloughby8050]

As George Hughes said when he got hold of them for the LMS - "Good, sometimes very good, but not great". Ps, the small wheeled version that was used on the Clyde Coast expresses was better, a lot better.

[@trainfan-ks5hk]

9:31 in Warbonnet paint ain’t no contest for the beauty department

[@noooo_safechat2589]

The class 52 is still in service to this day

[@Trainman10715]

no theyre not, they were withdrawn 45 years ago. D1015 Western Champion is mainline registered and does the occasional charter, but thats it

[@formulahbupz9211]

Never thought I would hear a grown man cry over British rail

[@starfishorca2975]

6:07 Best crying ever since British Rail 15, 16 and 17 LOL

[@MayoHosko]

Wow this guy has a good personality and knowledge. Subscribed

[@chrislaarman7532]

That BR locomotive reminds me of those "we stick to..." opinions that exist in every field. To remain on topic: Germany has "always" more or less stuck to diesel-hydraulic traction (within diesel, obviously) and the Netherlands (where I live) is diesel-electric country, like the UK. (Yes, the Netherlands have had their diesel-hydraulic stock, most of the remaining ones sold to Poland.) A similar "matter of opinion" may have existed with steam engines: compound or not. (I wonder if there's a topic in these regional differences.)

[@crystalrock18]

Listening to Lord Darkness himself constantly cringe on British Railways is why I stick around to watch these videos. But also in Lord Darkness’ defense; BR is just something that should just give up and let the big 4 go back to the big 4.

[@sirmagnumcat4996]

BR isn’t a thing anymore….

[@crystalrock18]

@@sirmagnumcat4996 the fail boat has left the harbor in one shape, or form.

[@Ty-yt3lj]

I love how you actively said 0-10-0's were merely rare in the UK... There were 2. Only 2. No more, no less. The first of those engines being the Great Eastern Railway A55, built purely to prove steam locomotives could get to 30mph in 30 seconds and nothing else. It barely lasted a few years, being rebuilt as an 0-8-0 and scrapped regardless. The other was "Big Bertha", the banking engine on the lickey Incline. Built in 1919, she led an average career shoving trains up the Lickey, being withdrawn in 1956 and being replaced by a 2-10-0.

[@tidepoolclipper8657]

When it comes to mediocre land vehicles and ships, I can think of; land vehicles = Examples potentially include Little Willie, Mark 1 tank (it had back wheels that constantly got entangled), Panzer 1, Churchill tank, Sherman in its original configuration, Staghound, Boarhound, KV-2, T28, M6 Heavy, Chiefton tank, Leichte Kampfwagen LKll, M2 light tank, M3 Stuart, M24 Chaffee, BA-I, BA-3/6, BA-20, D-8 armored car, T-37A, T-38, Fiat 3000 tank, Carro Armato L3/33, Carro Armato L3/35, Carro Armato M11/39, Vickers 6-ton, Carro Armado M. 14/41, T-27, T-34 (Cold War era), BT tank, Guy armored car, Guy Lizard, Grille artillery, TOG2, Humber Light Reconnaissance Car, Humber Scout Car, KhTZ-16, Komsomolets armored tractor, Light Tank M1, M13 Multiple Gun Motor Carriage, Marder 1, Morris CS9, NI tank, 40M Nimrrod, NKL-26, Wirbelwind, TKS, 40M Turan, Vickers medium Mark 1, Vickers medium Mark 2, 43M Zrinyi, NASCAR stock gen 1 and 2, Ferrari 1 2005, Ensign N180, Arrows A2, Renault R27, Alpine A521, Aston Martin DBR4, Ford Mustang gen 2 (despite the bashing it gets, it's safer than the Pinto. The real problem is that the car was given the famous Mustang name), minivans in general, many SUVs built in the 2010s, Ford Ecosport, Ford Ranger, later Volkswagen Beetle car model years (though it's still sad to see the Beetle name get discontinued), Chevy Spark, Nissan Armada, Nissan Sentra, Acura ILX, and Acura MDX. ships = Examples include potentially include Yorktown class aircraft carriers (except for Enterprise), Deutschland class battleship, Taiho class, Hiryu, Andrea Doria class battleship, Bearn aircraft class, Minas Geraes class, Almirante Latorre, Vittorio Veneto class, Dunkerque class, Bretagne, Wickes class, Connecticut pre-dreadnought class, Fuji pre-dreadnought class, Mississippi pre-dreadnought class, and most 21st century cruise liners.

[@robertwilloughby8050]

The Chieftain was pretty good, its problem was that it came in-between the glorious Centurion and the stunningly reliable Challengers. The Centurion was becoming a bit of a blunt instrument, so the "Chiefy" was an attempt to make a MBT with a few more bells and whistles on it. The problem was, at the time, there, frankly wasn't enough new bells and whistles to incorporate into the new design, so the poor "Chiefy" looked like an unnecessary and ham-fisted re-jig of the Centurion concept. Luckily, most Tankies (but not all!) loved the Chiefy, and to say that some considered it a bit of a stopgap, it's not exactly annoyingly average, more an amazing unit that didn't stand a chance, in this case because that innovation hadn't gone far enough ahead to justify the complete re-design that was the Chiefy.

[@therailfanman2078]

I feel like the Britannic was average the time she was built. she was good, but she just wasn't famous good. Still my favorite white star line ship

[@tyler_bt3326]

I don’t think little Willie is fair to put on that list. He was just a proof of concept after all, and at the time nobody really knew what a proper tank was supposed to look like

[@wisdenandpompey7373]

Wonderful, if you are going to worst, best and then average it can only mean one thing. You have to cover every diesel British Rail ever made or even conceived. It will be endless. Bring it on.

[@tidepoolclipper8657]

He would also have plenty of British air frames or co-developed designs to cover if he does the same for airplanes.

[@nathanchan4653]

Here’s another suggestion for 5 most annoying average trains, the SD39 same dilemma as the GP39

[@305ayeee]

These truly are the trains of all time

[@tonymento7460]

Boston MBTA lease 4 of the D & H PA engines before they went to Mexico for the commuter rail lines out of South Station man all the railroad buffs were out there taking pictures of these I have pictures of them working for D & H RR running between New York and Canada these were X-Santa Fe PA - 4’s

[@trainglen22]

The PA series of locomotives were beautiful. The GP39 really was a good locomotive as the GP39-2 was owned by Santa Fe, Delaware and Hudson, MKT, BN and the Reading who needed good locomotives that were fuel efficient and the turbos were helpful in higher elevations used by the Santa Fe.

[@centredoorplugsthornton4112]

And how much horsepower from the 12 cylinder engine in the GP39 without the turbocharger? MARC Maryland commuter rail has 6 GP39 units originally built as GP40s. Delaware & Hudson bought 4 PA units from Santa Fe, New York state paid to have em rebuilt for Montreal train service in the 1970s, by 1977 the mix of railroad owned equipment on an Amtrak train was replaced with new Rohr Turboliners and ridership on the NY-Albany-Montreal route sort of quadrupled.

[@roberthuron9160]

[Continued],GNR,were based on contemporary PR

[@SirThanxalott]

In real life the e2 tank engines from the London Brighton and South Coast railway were annoyingly average.

[@bonerlad]

We've now have had good bad and mediocre British rail, when are you going to do a british rail tier maker? it would make a good live stream if you ever wanted to do one

[@dominicbarden4436]

That's a nice idea actually, I'd be up for seeing that. Question is, what would the tiers be and would we include the Standards or just stick with diesels and electric? And how far would we go, all the way to privatisation? That would mean a good 50 years of trains to choose from.

[@fanofeverything30465]

​​@@dominicbarden4436 He'd probably do separate tiermarkers for steam, diesel and electric and only include locomotives built during the nationalisation period

[@dominicbarden4436]

@@fanofeverything30465 Including or excluding Big Four designs built during that time?

[@fanofeverything30465]

@@dominicbarden4436 Including

[@KoolKonland]

You should make a video about the Soham rail disaster in England

[@roberthuron9160]

[2nd Continuation],PRR,and Alco practice,as Alco made the K29,that became the K4s,as modified!! Long history,but relevant! Thank you for your attention ☺️!!

[@kevwebb2637]

Though, for the case of the Pennsylvania railroad's Duplexes, the Q2 and Prototype T1 are the best ones out of the others that Pennsylvania Railroad had(Q2, Prototype T1> S1, Q1, Production T1). By the way, Incase you might not know, Japan did had some Streamlined steam locomotives(mainly streamlined Variants of the C53 and C55). C63 was never built, but, the Number plate is at a museum.

[@MiddletownBranchProd.]

the 0 in a wheel config is pronounced oh, not zero

[@railstofails1396]

hmmm i wonder if a train has ever had any form of incident with space crafts?

[@stevekenilworth]

check out the sound of the Class 52 'Western' diesel-hydraulics. they do sound great. i do wish you show moving clips of the trains as many do sound great. check out youtube vid MAYBACHS IN THE WEST or even a cab view and drive DRIVERS EYE VIEW CAB RIDE OF THE SEVERN VALLEY RAILWAY WITH CLASS 52 'WESTERN' D1013 WESTERN RANGER both show the great sound they make

[@ZeldaTheSwordsman]

IIRC the PAs climbed hills better than their E-unit counterparts

[@nilo9456]

I can't figure out if the BR "love" is just an poise or perhaps real.

[@tidepoolclipper8657]

An idea for a new video series would be vehicles that represent the beginning or end of an era, battle strategies, mindsets, an even the way things were constructed.

[@justinlynch3]

I wonder if you could come up with a 5 Worst Bicycles list XD

[@dannyjones3840]

It's a shame Alcos 244 sucked, because the PA and FA engines were gorgeous!

[@tidepoolclipper8657]

More ideas would be experimental or prototype airplanes that proved their own worth, what vehicle proposals or variants that should have been made, vehicles with the greatest platform flexibility, old vehicles that are completely impossible to upgrade any further after having received upgrades (like Panzer 4), no longer manufactured vehicles that conceptually could still become better (like the Pennsylvania T1; though there is a replica being made for that currently), vehicles that introduced specific features or were the last to have the specific features prominently, features that never made sense for war vehicles, vehicles that deserve functioning replicas, buildings that were given better purposes later in life, vehicles that lead to a significant change in any industry, and even vehicles that carried a significant piece of equipment or cargo that lead to an important event.

[@CoalChrome]

the Q2 was the best duplex loco (there was only Q1, it was a prototype for the freight duplexes) their downfall was the fact their boilers were kinda meh, they didn't last very long, and ended up being superceded by, get this, leased ATSF 2-10-4s.

[@number9-sk921]

First type (0-10-10), RU or USSR version was never used in ČSSR because we had enough our loco manufactures(ČKD, Škoda and etc.) ČSSR even exported trains for USSR mainly T669.0 with 2000 mm gauge instead of standard. So, NO theese were never used in ČSSR.

[@tidepoolclipper8657]

For mediocre trains and airplanes (mainly warplanes), I have some potential examples for future parts: Locomotives = Pennsylvania Railroad class D1, PRR class D2, PRR D5, Pere Marquette Santa Fe 2-10-2, Baldwin DRS-6-6-1500, GE U30B, EMD SW7, EMD SW9, EMD NW2, British Rail class D3/7, BR class 97/6, LNER class Y11, DR class V15, DR class V60, DR class V 100, SNCF class BB 63400, SNCF class BB 63500, SNCF class BB 66000, SNCF class BB 66700, SNCF class BB 7100, SNCF class BB 325, SNCF class BB 1-80, SNCF class BB 1800, SNCF class BB 25150, SNCF class BB 1100, FAV class E.440, FS class D.341, EMD FT36HCW-2, ChS2, ChS3, ChS4, VL8, VL10, VL11, VL15, VL80, CD class E 458.1, CD ES 499.1, TU8P, and Commonwealth Railways NT class. Airplanes/Warplanes = Bell P-39 Airacobra, Douglass B-18 Bolo, Grumman F4F Wildcat (better than the Buffalo, but not the Zero slayer that is the Hellcat), Lockheed F-94 Starfire, Northrop F-89 Scorpion, Albatross B.l, Phonix C.l, Fokker M.7, Fokker A.1, DFW Mars, DFW B.l, LVG B.l, AEG B.1, Sablatnig C.l, Albatross D.l, Halberstadt D.ll, Fokker D.1, Boeing P-26 Peashooter, Fairey Fulmar, Vought SB2U Vindicator, AEG C.l, AGO C.l Aviatik C.l, DFW C.l, Friedrichshaen F.33 Germania Cil, Halberstadt C.l, Vultee P-66 Vanguard, AEG N.1, Curtiss SBC Helldiver, Curtiss FllC Goshawk, Naval Aircraft Factory TS, de Havilland Comet 2 (people at least remember the original, even if for not very happy reasons), de Havilland Comet 4 (ditto), Douglass Dc-7, Mig-19 Farmer B (the middle child of the more successful Mig-17 and Mig-21), Airco DH.1, and Armstrong Whitworth F.K.3.

[@glimpseofgood2464]

unicycle lion 💀

[@railmastergaming]

you know its bad when darkness itself starts crying because of BR

[@CoalChrome]

i dont think it's fair to put the PA on this list since it's only downfall was the lack of expertise maintenance crews held because EMD had a monopoly. by default, the ALCos are more reliable because they're 4 stroke rather than 2 stroke, and the D&H had them until the 70s when it was bought out (30 years of service is a long time for a covered wagon). the secondary downfall of the PA was the 244 engine, which was a great engine, albiet not a high horsepower engine. the 244 was rushed into production to replace the 539 and 539T, and as a result couldn't handle much power (see tale of the RSD-7 demos for details on this).

[@miles_da-tractor_man]

Plz do 1 episode on British rail’s worst locomotives ever

[@Cnw8701]

You wanna' know some more average trains or locomotives? Phase 1 SD70Ms, SD75s, and Phase 1 SD70MAC hauling coal trains.

[@MrHunterPOLSKA]

How about Fablok 6D or DE6400 or T448P ?

[@survroproductions200]

talk about small engines that are terrifyingly more powerful than average workhoses good luck

[@forestllwong4789]

How about a list of 5 toughest trains... Basically trains that just can't be broken...

[@JesusGarcia-ch9gl]

History in the dark can you do history of this locomotive the PRR class D15 built in 1892

[@billmilligan1705]

What no BR class 26, 27, 76, 77 or 303?

[@davidty2006]

Why is the western on here?

[@billmilligan1705]

@@davidty2006 because they are not diesel electrics

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

@@davidty2006 because they are over rated. Same as the Deltics.

[@ordinaldragoon]

@@neiloflongbeck5705 Ehhh, the Deltics aren't really overrated TBH. They're amazing at what they do but the only issue is that they were a small non-standard class sadly.

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

@@ordinaldragoon they are by me

[@Arturobrito0502]

Will you add the class 42 warships for the next part?

[@kingofthepod5169]

Feels like an April fool's episode

[@greenyodais]

I am not getting a lot of train content recommended and I'm not sure how I feel about it.

[@solarflare623]

Could you do the GE genesis series? They were pretty good but they were nightmares to repair if they crashed.

[@neilsonthegreat]

Put the PRR K5 in the next list

[@MisterlincolnTX]

I like the f7 more than the pa Santa fe

[@glimpseofgood2464]

eurekas. add them to the next list.

[@launcesmechanist9578]

Would a list of most accident-prone locomotives be out of the question? It'd HAVE to be better than my previous suggestion of a list entirely comprised of British Rail.

[@saucypan-8796]

Are there any 0-10-0 left in the us? and are there any engines that have 10 divers? In Australia?

[@tylergreen4843]

we have a 0-10-2 from the dm&ir that's preserved

[@p2nth3r]

what about Olton Hall in a video?

[@lashondatalbert8271]

Can you but big bertha in one of your videos

[@mrsaturngamingandstories]

I like and secretly hate the 0-10-0 and Q2

[@vornamenachname727]

2:29 Can someone please tell me when, where any why they were used in Germany? As far as i can tell (from 15 minutes of googling), 700 locomotives were build by German locomotive factories, but they got ordered and used by Russia.

[@erikaitsumi3852]

I like the idea of midcore trains

[@FranquitoMV2004]

Im thinking of something, who thinks that a TOP 5 retired steam excursion locomotives could be cool?

[@Gordonjamesheneryproductions]

Okay I'm getting tired of British rail a list suggestion top 5 worst American made locomotives