5 of the WORST TRAINS EVER 🚂 History in the Dark 🚂

[@HistoryintheDark]

Just in case ya'll missed the description, this is a reupload. The original was hit with a copyright strike and removed so I had to edit it.

[@Gravity461]

Dang, that sucks

[@KitsuneCentral]

So, what did you have to remove? Just curious.

[@the_autism_express]

:(

[@roshasensi2220]

oh

[@roshasensi2220]

wait who the fuck will copyright strike a train video

[@XenithXenaku]

6:03 The start of a _long_ feud between Darkness and British Railways...

[@jaymz5267]

I laughed way too much at the 10800 saying “I don’t wanna work today, it’s just…I don’t feel like it.”😂😂😂 Great video btw!

[@peterwhite9546]

you forgot to mention that the 6-2-0 crampton also exploded because the boiler was too thin

[@mikofox9798]

The *what*

[@solar_9878]

Thats just a *minor* detail it’s definitely not *important* and definitely *doesnt need to be told* to *new* operators

[@r.srailfilms2559]

I remember when the I used to see the pacers almost every day, and I could hear them from my classroom, almost 2 miles away. And that was only 3 years ago, and the only reason I stopped hearing them is because I moved to a new school. I can credit Pacers for not putting me off railranning, but instead fuelling my passion for trains. Long live the Pacer.

[@jollyjohnthepirate3168]

Regarding the AA 20. Nothing says Soviet Union like " we will show the decadent western capitalists. We build biggest steam engine in World. What does it work,,,,,,that not important. The dictatorship of the proletariat will crush them."

[@HistoryintheDark]

"Come, comrades! Listen to the sheer steaming power of socialist might and watch it go nowhere!"

[@BazilRat]

Half the reason BR are on both the 'best' and 'worst' lists is... well, there were made *so damn many* different types of train made here in the UK.

[@Xalerdane]

I heard it was because some imbecile decided that the number of diesel locomotive models had to match the number of steam engine models. _Despite, y’know, the fact that most of those were from before BR even fucking existed, when every railway was privately owned and designed its own rolling stock, which isn’t a factor when you’re both the only player in town and switching to a technology with radically different designing parameters._

[@BazilRat]

@@Xalerdane Would make sense, considering the stupidness of BR at times.

[@Foxstar1387]

Both BR and BL would screw themselves over out of incompetence and over reaching. Even the simple things got made into a complex mess

[@BazilRat]

@@Foxstar1387 But at the same time, both of them made/commissioned some truly amazing vehicles.

[@Foxstar1387]

@BazilRat yup. The potential was there for both to becone total powerhouses in their given sectors.(possibly even globally) But failed to realise that potential.

[@mrmoviemanic1]

So this is why Diesels are the more villainous engines in Thomas the tank Engine.

[@laszlokaestner5766]

The reason for the Leaders box like shape was not to mimic the trend for diesels and electrics it was so that it would fit through the carriage washers of the Southern Railway the idea being this would save on the cost of cleaning the thing.

[@BotLiquor]

So there's a Berkshire from the B&M, it had Big Boy numbering, T-1 classification, and a bad trailing truck. I don't know if you want to talk about it because no one should go insane over bad engines, but it did exist, and it's shaped rather strangley.

[@NW2174Fan]

He already did, in Part 4 I believe

[@billymcmedic4221]

6:06 the beginning of a wonderful relationship

[@emeraldzebra9360]

The Pacer was one of the best trains on my local lines up in the Pennines, they consistently did their job, you got exactly what you expected, and they were really great fun! Plus there is not & never will there be again ANY train on UK rails that gave as good of a panoramic view of the incredibly scenic area I live as you commuted.

[@spacecase13]

I was just here, again. Glad to note that this is a re-upload, I thought this was ep. 11 that somehow sounds like ep. 1. I shall uncross my eyes now.

[@steelblue8]

I reckon you'd absolutely LOVE the 4-4-6 Thuile locomotive. Originally proposed as a *6-4-8 with 3 metre driving wheels*, it was instead built as a 4-4-6 with 2.5m drivers. The huge drivers meant that the boiler had a cross section shaped like a peanut (bad because uneven pressure dispersion), this thing had 2 cabs- one at the front for the engineer and one at the back for the fireman and breakman, meaning no communication between the two was possible. It probably would have ended in disaster, except the trials for it were stopped because the guy who invented it leant out the side, slammed into a lineside pole and died

[@alexhajnal107]

The original design also had the driving wheel axles going *through* the boiler. The as-built design is slightly saner. 🇫🇷❤

[@SiqueScarface]

Railbuses were a thing in the after WWII in many countries, sometimes even before WWII. France for instance introduced railbuses already in the early 1930ies, like the X 5700. After the war, you got the likes of the X 3800 and the X 5600. Germany put the VT-series on rails (most famous the VT95), and East Germany had a similar design running as VT 2.09. Because they were mainly used on rural relations, they had nicknames like "Ferkeltaxe" (piglet cab). As you said: They were cheap to build, cheap to operate and replaced the old tank engine pulled trains on relations which were too small to operate with full trains or DMUs.

[@cbolanz1]

Listening to this guy suffer in agony over British rail is hilarious.

[@jonathansanger862]

The Pacers were often quoted in numerous past magazine articles and books as being cheap to run and saved many branch lines from closure. This is now usually misleading according to one more recent article written by one engineer whom has worked on them. Coupled with their costly introduction, they costed a lot more to run and maintain than the Sprinter type trains in view of the longevity of components concerned and they did not save branch lines from closure.

[@badkittynomilktonight3334]

#3 the Crampton layout was crazy popular in France and lasted clear into the turn of the century on high speed express locomotives.

[@abrr2000]

unfortunately, the energy efficiency of a steam train compared to modern motive powers is woeful. The only advantage of a steam train today is that it can use renewable fuels (wood) that also don't add Co2 to the carbon cycle. Unfortunately, this can also be achieved with eletric locos as well.

[@wesbrackmanthercenthusiast4695]

And that is exactly why mackwell locomotive in New Zealand is working on a steam system for locomotives and tractors

[@Pdstor]

Lots of steampunkers out there who love trains, too. There's massive overlapping with a community of siren lovers, which has BIG overlap with ... us, the stormchasing community. The nerdiest community I've ever seen has been the city bus community. They also knew the most obscure, trivial things right off the bat that I've seen out of ANY community - there are busses out there with service records that may as well be Medal of Honor-laden military careers from what they say.

[@TheBrightSkittle]

What’s the music for the pacer train segment

[@the_autism_express]

0:21 Hitd: **says liking trains isn't something to be proud of** Me: that's false That's the comment I posted on the original upload Haha reference go *AAAAAAAAAAAA-*

[@silvertamman3218]

"Listen to that horn!" Funny as hell.

[@ElliotSpencer-q9h]

The reason the Pacers were finally withdrawn was because, a change in the law required them to be fitted with disabled accessible toilets which would have cost £16,000 per vehicle. As they were close to the end of their working life, the expense could not be justified. There are several preserved on heritage railways and some converted to other uses.

[@305ayeee]

In the case of the pacer trains... Ain't nothing more permanent than a temporary solution

[@amtrakproductions-mx9ib]

First time british rail appeared in a list

[@alexhajnal107]

01:53 Philadelphia ran Pacers too! (SEPTA)

[@Jack-hg1hq]

people in the north of england are starved of wealth while everyone in london is obscenely rich. this is why there's no budget to have nice trains

[@caydencat5823]

I was so confused at first then saw the description

[@stevenplyler6306]

Something about the back round music you played in the video talking about the failed British rail designs is probably the same music that the Dursley's played at Vernon and Petunia's wedding and continued to play during their leisure time as well !

[@Mariazellerbahn]

3:50 The GM Aerotrain was ALSO made up from GM bus bodies on a 4 wheel freight chassis.

[@alexhajnal107]

Its riding characteristics were much the same.

[@Trainboy17]

The curse where British Railways never leave your list

[@ItsDaJax]

Gods damn the way that Pacer moved reminded me of the articulated busses that UPS Worldport used to transport us employees around. These weren't transit busses mind you, imagine something like an airport/party bus pulling another one with the front end lopped off with a coupler like... well probably the Pacers.

[@Techno-Universal]

6:03 Somehow the body design very closely resembles a locomotive designed to run on deep level tube lines in London! :)

[@hypergolic8468]

The Pacer, actually comes from an very advanced bit of design. In the 1960's in the UK there was a realisation that the work started pre War by the London Midland & Scottish (LMS) and London North Eastern Railway (LNER) in a joint facility at Derby (it had a wind tunnel in the 1930's) had pointed the direction to science and theoretical application of science on the railway. The UK had started to introduce continuous welded track, but in doing so had experienced a sharp rise in derailments. One type of cement wagon ("Testrol") was becoming well known for this, and throw in a couple of serious accidents, a scientific investigation was launched. In the end it was found that traditional jointed rail damped the hunting osculation of wheels on track, which up to that point was a poorly understood problem (the Japanese were starting to experience it with the Bullet train and developed a cone profile wheel). To cut a long story short, in rail engineering, the ideal solution is a wagon/coach with four wheels, 2 sets at either end, that's cheap on cost to build and cheap for maintenance and hopefully track life. If a high Speed Freight Wagon could be built that also had only four wheels and could travel at a 140mph then this was ideal. In the UK, research modelling at Derby (by now the Railway Technical Centre) led to HSF1 - High Speed Freight Vehicle 1. On a test rig it reach a 140mph, and most importantly, proved that the new theory of track to wheel relationship was correct and that the "worn wheel profile" stopped the hunting oscillation which led to derailments. At the same time the UK was involved with building the tilting Advance Passenger Train (APT), and the work with this knowledge on wheel profiles was to be used in the bogie design. One of the APT stipulations was no flange contact with the rail on a corner! For a whole host of reasons the freight market ended up pursuing other options, and the APT ended up on another trajectory, and the work, whilst critical went no further..... Until someone was looking for a way to keep rail lines open in the late 70's early 80's. By applying the design principles of HSF1, as as I understand it, drawing on some features very heavily, and the bus design, a low cost train could be put on the track with **acceptable** ride behaviour. I rode on Pacers for 10 years, they are hideous and horrible, but, and this is the point, they could keep close to line speeds on busy routes (Leeds to Doncaster / Leeds to York / Trans Pennine - extremities and core) so paths still existed for fast trains and they could do commuter traffic. They kept rural stations open, and many lines survived because of them, we should never forget that. But at the core of the idea was a four wheel high speed wagon design, may be the addition of cardian shafts, engines etc prevented the ride quality that they maybe should have had. The Sprinter family that came on behind (mostly a modified High Speed Train MK3 coach) with Bogies, were far better and it has to be said, are missed.

[@HFStuart]

Genuinely fascinating, thanks. Agree the 150 /155 / 156 sprinters deserve to be on a 'best of' list. They are a bit tired now but were revolutionary in the 80's.

[@GDGRailway47712]

Not many people are so balanced on the subject of Pacers. It all seems to be mostly hate when they are mentioned. So, thank you for putting the history and a balanced view forward.

[@ItsDaJax]

I don't think the Pacer is ugly, but I do like busses, so my opinion is probably biased.

[@slatecollins2254]

Love your vids

[@BrokenIET]

The leader was made by Southern Railway, and Oliver Bulleid's name is pronounced "bullied", deservedly, in a way, just as its Bulleid's Leader, probably should've been "Bully me leader" tho ngl. I've heard them described as "A London Underground battery loco on steroid, jacked up on bricks"

[@wesbrackmanthercenthusiast4695]

11:50 you really need to talk to mackwell locomotive in New Zealand he is developing a modern steam system for locomotives and now because of the great sickness farm tractors but he isn't going to get very far if we don't help him

[@DaSpecialZak]

In my opinion they should of made the aa20 a 4-6-8-4, 4 steering wheels, 6 driving wheels with a gap and another 8 driving wheels then 4 trailing wheels which would of been much easier

[@NW2174Fan]

Maybe they could've used to make a prototype for the P38's, which were 2-8-8-4 Yellowstones. They were built in the 1950's when it was obviously still around

[@dylanwhite3383]

We need to have more wooden trains that are more like some of the trains in these lists

[@paulnicoll1791]

The pacer was based on bus body panels ie the Leyland national. Being 4 wheel long wheelbase chassis they were referred to as "nodding donkeys"

[@mattthesedg4238]

Pacer trains and similar types on the west coast line in the lake district are aptly named 'West Coast Boneshaker'

[@laserhawk64]

Meanwhile I'm sitting here in a tiny town in the rural part of an upper Southeastern US state and wishing for something as nice as a Pacer. Public transit here is so bad it's literally unusable for me, and I can't drive and don't have friends to drive me. Being Disabled and 'needy' is a good way to not have friends BTW.

[@dr.toxicgamingmadscientist]

The Wonder Engine. It's a wonder how this engine even existed in the first place despite BR's lack of competence.

[@Dulaman107]

I hear you like the idea of a modern steam engine. Boy, do I have an idea for you. Induction heated, partially computer controlled steam engines

[@philrisbridger919]

Without the Pacer, a lot of rural passenger services would have stopped

[@DeetexSeraphine]

The 10800 reminds me a lot of the Dutch class 1000, aka Crippled Mary. They even share some looks

[@tommcglone2867]

Oliver Bulleid was a maverick. But for every disaster like The Leader, there was a masterpiece like the West Country's, Merchant Navy's, Battle of Britain's and probably his best the mighty Breadloaf the Q1. The Q1 was (im not 100% on this) the most powerful 0-6-0 EVER to enter service. And despite its unfortunate looks, i mean the boiler casing is practically shaped like a loaf of bread, it was successful. Glad one of the Q1s got preserved

[@Alcorob]

None of them were under water?

[@stekra3159]

They also had the bigest rocket in the world for a time

[@michaelriley7395]

10800 was subsequently purchased by Brush Electrical Engineering and became the testbed for the first asynchronous locomotive.

[@northstar1950]

They arnt trains, they are locomotives. Trains are what they pull.

[@wdd6864]

Did you ever look up the Baldwin Centipede? They had a bad reputation

[@NW2174Fan]

Yes, it was on the latest installment (which as far as I know is Part 12)

[@KevintheGreat125]

What Music Did You Use When You Were Talking About the Leader?

[@Tyme_Whyrlwynd]

This is where it all began.

[@mark31334]

Loving the video

[@DOTD-Ko7382]

WE THREW THE TEA IN THE HARBOR, BUT IT WAS 200 YEARS AGO

[@AustinLineKJB]

8:18 For the Liter locomotive (didnt catch spelling), the designer should've just made a classic-style steam locomotive design, then built a box car around it. It probably would've performed better, and would not have the safety hazards you mentioned, not to mention being much more cost effective.

[@amogusisntfunny1464]

Where did you get the footage of the Leader class motive systems from?

[@SouRwy4501Productions]

I don’t know why, but the 10800 looks like a weird ALCo diesel.

[@Bungle-UK]

I always quite enjoyed riding a pacer, you never had a dull ride. They were also incredibly reliable workhorses.

[@lorumipsum1129]

What’s the tune that plays during the leaders segment?

[@arkie74]

the pacers probably rode on track that was effected by deferred maintenance. lol judging by the condition of the cars. they are nasty.

[@jiarongxie5954]

SR Leader Class: Emotional Damage

[@DrFruikenstein]

Did they use hot bulb diesels in the 10800?😂🤣😂🤣 That would explain the wonder if it'll go thinking of the crews. The 6-2-0 looks like something I've seen in a cartoon.

[@johnhood3172]

The leader looks like an London tube train on the top half .

[@stelerElk]

I knew what the leader was as soon as I saw it because i drove one in a game i play once in a while

[@flickcentergaming680]

So the AA20-1 was basically Henry in his first shape but on steroids.

[@wolfie773]

Idk about anyone else but i live in Britain and from these videos make me question some of br locomotives

[@budwhite9591]

9:00. Safety in those days. Lol. OSHA? Who’s that? Sounds like the new Chinese guy

[@joshuaW5621]

Bullied soon made a similar locomotive in Ireland called Turf Burner.

[@True_NOON]

What a blast from the past, intresting to see how his mic and intro changed, but not his mood while filming 😁

[@Coarstan]

Living in Weston the ere is a rail way next to my bedroom and not far from me the train station runs and there has only been like 4-8 engines I have seen property running and doing a job on the rail way

[@gfletcher6183]

Pacer Train - I enjoyed working them, I signed from 2008-2020, I can tell you the ride could be interesting and the rear cab ride wasnt any better The bus seat sets were considered "westy" sets the Yorkshire sets had 2x2 sat configs which were better

[@invisibleman4827]

You're not picking on us, BR was in fact that bad.

[@Foxstar1387]

and is being resurrected in the guise of GBR Great British Railways.

[@invisibleman4827]

@@Foxstar1387 Dammit you're right! 🤦‍♂️

[@s.p.d.magentaranger1822]

@@Foxstar1387 So you're saying they're like the Simpsons in that they refuse to die?

[@Foxstar1387]

@s.p.d.magentaranger1822 pretty much. Though the new BR as GBR. Is a totally new entity. With nothing to do with the old BR. As the bulk of the operations will be done mostly by contracted companies. GBR will be like the host or government department-branch.

[@s.p.d.magentaranger1822]

@@Foxstar1387 I see. I just saw an opportunity for a funny joke.

[@terenfro1975]

I rode a pacer. I thought it was because their rail system was just poorly maintained.

[@SMichaelDeHart]

At 11:29 did you say four "Training" wheels?? I always thought they're calling "Trailing"!! However, for the Russkis maybe that's what they did call them, lol.

[@liamcollinson5695]

I live in the UK used to go quiet regular to Leeds on the train one time I had to ride this pacer tracer train home that honestly was older than I was they was a awful draft and no toilet it was horrible and almost put me of trains for life. I got charged the same price as well

[@mikewolf7288]

So is the SR Leader Class basically like if British Railways sucked at trying to develop their own SP Cab Forward?

[@RodrigoSousaFerrovias]

Excellent vídeo my friend ! Greetings from Brazil.

[@davidmoorman2468]

In the States we never refer to a "locomotive" as a "train". Is this common word usage in the UK?

[@sgthree]

How many times have you included Pacers now? They seem to feature on all these videos.

[@HexAyed]

Worse trains on Earth apparently. According to the American... who has never ridden them.... or their replacements....

[@CrisisHedgehog]

@@HexAyed You’re saying... *That the trains made to replace* the fucking Buses on train van axles... *Are somehow worse than the buses...*

[@HexAyed]

@@CrisisHedgehog No, they were perfectly serviceable and extremely reliable

[@bleeksbentbits3150]

I HAVE ridden on a train that bounces & bounds long worse than the BR 'Pacer' that is still (for now) in every day service.. Personally, I would be looking more at the piss-poor condition of the Mid-North Coast line in New South Wales. The train in question is the soon to be discontinued XPT based on the BR designed Intercity 125 High Speed Train, which has previously featured in another of your clips (Best trains you've never heard of?) Which brings me to- THANK YOU! First time commenting on your channel but been watching for a couple of weeks now... Found you thanks to a thumbnail featuring a NSWGR C38- not one of my favouritest of that fleet, but have been pleasently surprised to find a few of our Aussie loco's featured now! Thanks again! Tips/my opinion on locos; NSWGR C30 (NOT the 'T') & SMR10 class are the best looking tank locos ever to my eye. Garratt's are better AND more sensible than Mallett's & while it may not be pinicle of Garratt's- you've gotta go a LONG way to beat an AD60++ (NSWGR again! :v ) The prettiest Garratt, besides the original K1 & K2, would have to be the 8cylinder TGR double Atlantic M class of 1912... Oh, & Cli-Shay's are better than both Shay's & Climax's!

[@KBJade39]

I wish they hadnt scrapped the AA20 Something that fekin big was begging to be in a museum for just the shock value.

[@lelandnanny967]

Four "training" wheels? I guess you could call them that.

[@apexqc04]

The 10800 was better and more reliable than the class 15 and 16 locos which followed it. And the pacers were amongst the better trains when they first came out. Great for short journeys. I will miss them now they are gone... bus seats ana all.

[@marcopolanco6398]

Nice research!

[@crabby7668]

Nice video of the leader

[@dalekinthewater4708]

What about the CoBos?

[@HexAyed]

Class 28s were successful locomotives with teething problems with the Crossley engines, far from the "WORST TRAINS EVER"

[@dalekinthewater4708]

@@HexAyed but bad in design. I mean three in front and two at back? Not efficient

[@HexAyed]

Actually it was, the Co-Bo was alot more powerful than the other locos in its classification due to the CoBo set up

[@calvingreene90]

Once Stalin died it was safe to say it was a bad idea.

[@seeroger5]

Did you reupload

[@andrewwatkins4852]

I have a suggestion for the next entry Br class 40 or d-261 nicknamed bowler

[@Tek_777]

Serious question, what is the biggest train ever made if it is not the AA-20? I’ve heard of the 9000 class and S-1 so I’m really curious how they all compare to each other. Also, how is that measured? Wheel setup, tractive power, length and width, weight? I’m new to this so forgive me if it’s a silly question. Cheers!

[@kimpatz2189]

The triplex design defeats everyone in length and tractive effort.

[@Transportationspotting]

Bullied is pronounced bull-id If someone British was doing this, the Pacers would be at number 1…

[@LordoftheBadgers]

You sure? I was chatting online to his grandson who told me it was bull-eed

[@Andrewjg_89]

Not all British built trains and locomotives aren’t as bad or worse. But some do have such weird appearance. Interesting video.

[@derpmaniak7823]

Zillertalbahn. Change my mind

[@JBofBrisbane]

Wuppertal.

[@PreciousAlpschindler]

Wow I bet the Pacer shakes more than any Burmese train ride

[@ZeldaTheSwordsman]

The Leader could probably be pulled off with modern metallurgy and machining

[@tyler_bt3326]

I want a billionaire with more money than sense to make it happen. Oil fired so you aren’t cooking a fireman every trip, modern boiler efficiency. It would be a monster

[@bertmeinders6758]

The Pacers are a good example of the trap of "Make it Cheap!" GM gave up making cars in Europe after a succession of American general managers at Luton and Rüsselsheim competed with their predecessors in cost-cutting. Vauxhalls after about 1970 were crap (I had a Chevette) and Opels after about 1985. The Ural was touted in the 1970s as a Bargain BMW (After owning one of these Russian abominations briefly, I now ride real BMWs. No comparison!). On rails, the NZR rebuilt G class was crippled by no one being paid to sort out the blastpipe/funnel proportions, so that in service they had to be thrashed to get enough draught to steam well, and this exacerbated weaknesses in the frames and cylinders.

[@calvingreene90]

This can't be the five worst locomotives or self-powered trans they're not all diesels.

[@schudder1623]

isn't that the first episode?

[@HistoryintheDark]

Yes. I had to edit and reupload due to a copyright strike.

[@MCZGStudio]

Yes it is cause BR Pacers didnt like it

[@davidty2006]

@@MCZGStudio I think it was northern who didn't like it. They are known for operating them.