5 Problems with Shipping Container Homes

[@devonloerop]

Seriously... AG1 is no joke. I dare you to try it!

[@Darydude10]

Proved to be a scam lol

[@torpedohost]

@@Darydude10i had it lab tested all filled with cheap fillers and very minimal traces of the expensive stuff. they never show the actual ingredient amount

[@BadBoo22]

Yeah theyre no joke, theyre scammers.

[@Mista808]

3:44 Stop lying. We get that you need to make money from sponsors and ad revenue. But it's so exhaustive watching KZbinrs, podcasters, and anyone with any sort of following try to sell us products that they don't bother with using themselves but pretend as though they do. It's gross! I wish KZbinrs would just stick to making money from the regular KZbin ads rather than pretending to be salesmen themselves. AG1 is trash! Huge waste of money!

[@Boyhowdy875]

The swindler thinks he passes. How much usury do you get?

[@Keasbeysknight]

If I was wanting the Pacific bin look, I'd just make it out of wood and clad the siding in something like roofing material that gave the look without all the hurdles. Best of both worlds. The idea of reusing something like a shipping container is awesome for people worried about waste and who want to reuse a product, beyond that, to me , the benefits arent there. Great video, though and I look forward to the next buildings you make.

[@brie1987]

True. I have read that. I only want a few as one story L shape or add another for a middle courtyard deck. Still can make it look cool like you suggested without using container .

[@carlcarter4084]

Devon, I really appreciate your brutal honesty and thoroughness of your videos in detail, your container home builds are truly awesome and beautiful, keep up the wonderful builds Devon!

[@devonloerop]

Thanks so much! Just trying to be real. Love chatting it up with you guys about all stuff building. I seriously love this stuff

[@DIYDaveT]

The mistake here is doing things without having leverage. This mistake usually starts with "wouldn't it be cool if I could have....". This open ended statement treats leverage like an after thought. People who want to use shipping containers probably need to save money. So they should not stack or do anything else that blows money out the window. So what do I mean by "leverage"? Well, I am building a few short term rentals in the Bahamas on the saltwater canal. Storm surge of several feet can be an issue. So can 150mph winds. The reason I am using containers to build these rentals with is that they are bunkers that can withstand any storm. Put them up on 8' concrete pilings and bolt them to the pilings. Buy the double door kind of 40' HC with double swing open doors on each end. Why? So I don't have to cut any windows or doors. Just put up sliding glass doors on each end and 85 % of the lighting is handled naturally. Also, when a storm comes around, while most people are putting up plywood and other exhausting tasks, I will just close the double doors on both sides of the rental unit. But containers are narrow, right? Yes, right. And hotel rooms are small. People will put up with that for a short term rental. Do you see how leverage is working for me instead of me having to work around thing after thing after thing? That's because for my application, which is to let people dock their center console (meaning no place to sleep) fishing boat at my dock and then have an air conditioned place to sleep and use the toilet and shower and do some light cooking in a kitchenette. And all this will be built for about $45k per door. Bottom line, look at what is available and spend the bulk of your time figuring out the leverage any given plan of action will gain you and if it has no leverage, don't do it.

[@nono-i7t]

Most benefits are gone once you start deviating from the container formfactor and adding metal work. If you make clever use of the structural integrity you don't have to invest nearly as much into the foundation either.

[@DIYDaveT]

Bingo. Don't use the container for something that destroys the native leverage that using a container gives you!

[@Sanity_Faire]

@@DIYDaveT what about the weight of the home in a tornado?

[@Cuz.im.batman]

​@@Sanity_Faire what about it... its all about layout, design, and materials used... wood is cheaper than steel 80-90% of the structural steel he used could have been wood... but if he had stacked one on top of the other, 50% of that structural steel wouldn't have been needed

[@billlovelace1522]

I BUILT A 5 CONTAINER HOME, DUMBEST THING I EVER DID. TURNED OUT NICE. AGREE WITH A LOT OF YOUR COMMENTS. WISH I WOULD HAVE BUILT A BARNDOMINIMUM. WOULD HAVE BEEN CHEAPER AND FASTER.

[@DemetriusHayes-k8b]

Thanks 👍

[@raughboy188]

If i decide to build home out of shipping container i can tell you one thing: I have no intention of making things complicated. I will stack them in a way they're meant to be stacked. Building materials you'd need along with containers aren't getting any cheaper instead prices are going up insanely.

[@JosefK2275]

Don't you think that it'd be best to place the container underground with poured cement around to provide insulation provided theres a piped foundation underneath?

[@arlingtonbutler9511]

I'm currently wrapping up a first if it's kind 5 container home on a remote Cay in The Bahamas 🇧🇸. It's been a steep learning curve for sure and challenging endeavor for my construction firm and the client. I'd advise that persons do their homework and be prepared to have to be creative in their build...

[@devonloerop]

congrats on wrapping it up! The world needs more container homes. Research is so key! Especially in hot/cold environments.

[@xo.caribella6400]

I would like to no how it turns out as I also am from the Caribbean; interested in one and worrying about the heat cause well you know 🥵

[@KEOCAY2K]

Oooooh can I visit?

[@DIYDaveT]

Remote Cay? Wow, logistics nightmare unless you have a landing craft. I'm building in Bootle Bay next to Blue Marlin Cove.

[@done.6191]

1) keep it boxy 2) route plumbing, hvac and electrical in conduit outside the home 3) use external insulation. Benefit of steel containers:fire resistant. Earthquake resistant. Less foundation required. With planning, expandable.

[@orlanmedina3693]

Well said. I believe of you only seat down and watch all these things u can come up with ideas. And ofcourse the most important one. Common sense! For everything you do in life

[@CHRISTIANS1977]

Im an architect and I am just starting to study these containers and different set ups, MEP coordination to make it nice and cheap, it’s dosble, we just have to spend money investigating options and solutions !

[@CHRISTIANS1977]

Im an architect and I am just starting to study these containers and different set ups, MEP and structural coordination to make it nice and cheap, it’s doable, I just have to spend time on my drafting table investigating options and solutions ! Once I figure it out I can design and build compact cozy and cheap cabins , I guess ! Wish me luck

[@7outhopdaddy289]

I know it must have been a pain to build that house every step of the way. But man it sure does look good and you did a great job!

[@Mythoughtonpoliticaltopics]

I am building a container home.But I am doing it professional. I can not do steps so all of my rooms are on the ground floor. I have have a mansion just as good being single floors than being stacks.

[@josephjoe9088]

So are there any benefits in using a container for a building if you are not doing a simple block I guess for lack of definition. Great job BTW It really looks beautiful

[@MartinTabanag]

I have been binge watching your videos for 2 hours now!

[@devonloerop]

Love to hear it! Welcome to the fam!

[@MartinTabanag]

so glad to be part of it@@devonloerop

[@Sanity_Faire]

@@MartinTabanag I’m about to…

[@kevinlewis5194]

Great video about being transparent about container homes. It's very appealing when you see other vids claiming under 10k container home. But, reality sets in when you have to do it correct, like you did. Keep up the good work. And, beautiful house brother.

[@carolyngarcia6292]

If I buy the plans will it be ready to take to the permitting? Because this bypasses an architectural design, is that right? Would I still need a structural engineer? So this would save me on needing to hire an architect?

[@devonloerop]

You'd have to check with your local building department on what's required as it's different all across the country. But most times you'll need a local engineer to stamp the set with your address confirming that everything as it's drawn is acceptable for the plot of land you own. But everything in the set I'm selling what all I needed to get my building permit issued.

[@msnpassjan2004]

2:10 Do you need closed cell spray foam both inside on the ceiling and outside on the roof, or can you just do the roof?

[@M13x13M]

By the time you build an insulated interior and windows you have built a house anyway. The only thing you save is siding

[@MrSteeDoo]

And that is some pretty expensive siding.

[@Lyudtaru]

Yeah. This is the hard truth, but they're still awesome.

[@TheRealAndyB.]

Don’t give up bro your work is amazing

[@sule_imani]

Other than cost, all the other issues could be solved by having an architect running the project. When you do something you've never done before of course it's going to be difficult. That is true for most things. But for a qualified professional it's fairly straight forward

[@projectsgalore]

Yes, but I think he mentioned that it may be difficult to find one to do that local to your build, depending on where you live.

[@CHRISTIANS1977]

@CHRISTIANS1977 hace 0 segundos Im an architect and I am just starting to study these containers and different set ups, MEP and structural coordination to make it nice and cheap, it’s doable, we just have to spend time on my drafting table investigating options and solutions ! Once I figure it out I can build these easy!

[@danielmalinen6337]

Legality. Many countries and building regulations have a negative attitude towards container houses.

[@devonloerop]

this is true big picture wise, but the county I work with has been very receptive!

[@Alber6959]

Some negativity comes from being a cheaper shield, durable, can stand wing, storms, won't Rot, all the opposite of wood homes, in that case would perturb the big mafia business of wood homes, just by buying the container You already have around 15 to 20 % of the home done without expending on labor

[@Trash-Castle]

These are the same issues I had. I own a saw mill so I was able to CUT my costs a lot. I built the one I live in by hand…I’d do it again, but wouldn’t build another one for someone else

[@devonloerop]

yeah, I'm with ya.

[@tiwantiwaabibiman2603]

I'm 4 mins in and I'm already tired and turned off about stacking shipping containers for residential (or as an art studio). I'm happy to attempt side by side configuration. NEXT!!!

[@hermesperez3905]

I know you sell the plans but would you consider writing a book? I think it would be helpful to many people including tradespeople. Just a thought. Thanks for all your advice.

[@ltarmenia4ever]

I wonder if it would work as a grandparents unit. Put two down in the backyard sort of thing as place to live when my parents retire. There's a shipping container place like 4 miles down the road from me, so I've been thinking about it.

[@MrSteeDoo]

You can frame up an 8ftx40ft structure in a weekend. What do you gain?

[@Oh_Kimberly]

I still think shipping container homes have a greater advantage. Beats out these new prebuilt hotcake homes that break down in less than 2 years. 😶

[@devonloerop]

very true!

[@madmaximus2836]

Regardless of the issues, just did a fabulous job. Congrats!!

[@devonloerop]

Thanks so much! Overall, love the home. Just a little more to it than what meets the eye.

[@KJInvesting]

Awesome tips. Thanks for sharing!!

[@iankear736]

In a union carpenter, i want to say a guy I knew got a container for dirt cheap at the end of the job, it had some dings but nothing else, they just didn’t want to transport it so he took it off their hands for like 500 bucks or something along those lines

[@devonloerop]

wow, $500 is a great deal

[@Herowebcomics]

Wow! Looks like I will put all my shipping containers in a corner to corner stack if I build a house out of them!😊

[@obscuripesnation8458]

just watched a video from Architectural Digest about an 18 container home in Brooklyn by Lot-ek. They skipped over some of this!

[@rickyjames7355]

How much would it take for you to do 2 container to make a house and get it contracted?

[@JuanGelogo]

You can build shipping containers brand new for less than buying a beat up one. Its crazy to build a shipping container home

[@Theyayan28]

Would you say a barndominium is an easier/cheaper approach?

[@devonloerop]

Interesting idea 🤔

[@amremnant]

Great video, you explained your points very well. I've watched a few "anti-sipping container home" videos and this one was the best. I may have changed my mind lol. Thank you.

[@rogeliosantayygodragustino9692]

How do you guys make the containers to last since they start to decay after time since their metal

[@johnhamilton2914]

They are a special steel for shipping on the ocean. Rust not an issue.

[@Michael-uc2pn]

@@johnhamilton2914 they're not rust proof, just rust resistant, I've seen plenty of them with serious rust issues from neglect. However, it is usually only an issue when you don't do any maintenance on them (most shipping containers in general use for storage), I'd assume as long as you keep it properly painted or treated like you would any other metal on your house, it won't be an issue.

[@ItsDaJax]

I'm interested in building and designing shipping container homes, and through all these videos, I've came up with some improvements and work arounds. Some designs and layouts work better than others. One key is as a home, not making them more than they are, they aren't supposed to be luxurious and elaborate, you're working with something utilitarian and being repurposed as a home, the same way a school or warehouse/factory would be. Also one could use fiberglass insulation-- various busses use it.

[@devonloerop]

Wrong, absolutely do not use fiberglass insulation. You will 100% have mold problems if you do. Also, I built a unique luxury short term rental property not a conventional home for a single family to live in, if you know the short term rental space, unique and luxury is a very nice market to be in. :)

[@ItsDaJax]

@@devonloerop I understand what you're saying. As far as the fiberglass goes; it seems transit and school busses, and coaches use it with no problem, from the tear downs I've seen, is there a difference I'm not seeing? I'm no expert, I'm still learning these things. Could it be busses are just tighter built?

[@thatguy-uv7cv]

I honestly haven't seen any busses with fiberglass insulation. Maybe it depends on the type of bus I guess. On conversions to tiny homes I've seen some things that look like fiberglass but aren't like Havelock wool. When it comes to a metal build like that though I do know it isn't about how tight it is because with the change in temperatures the metal itself will condensate on one side or the other depending on where the heat is and the cool so spray foam would be the most ideal because it would seal that off completely so that it can't happen. Fiberglass doesn't mitigate moisture levels the way you'd need behind a metal wall unless maybe you learned to do vapor barriers in AK. That method will help but not be perfect. Just my opinion based on what I've seen.

[@StopSnatchin]

Location is everything

[@charonstyxferryman]

I think that shipping containers are good for storage, and nothing else. I live in the colder part of a temperate climate zone with a *lot* of moisture every single day. The primary pain points are rust, corrosion protection, and insulation, and a lot of it, so using containers as a building material for constructing homes isn't a good choice here where I live.

[@Sanity_Faire]

Near salt water?

[@LeeQuesada-CoTGaming]

On cost part, why didn't you say the actual cost it took?? Cause I've been looking for a place to live for bout a month. Thought about the Barndominium route, but since my advisors don't like the idea of me designing my own floor plan and such, they want me to pay for an Architect, spiking the build up to around 150k minus cost of land (40k for the plot i want), and I been trying to stay under 100k. This is going to be a build for me and me alone, 1 Master suite, and an open floor plan living space/kitchen that is partly the garage as well (proper ventilation of course.)

[@platinum1389]

I Am in Canada.. I want to do this So bad..

[@johnmaurer3097]

Awesome video for being honest with the work and problems, we don’t see enough of that. I think shipping container homes and “van life” are quickly becoming the carpeted bathrooms of the 2020s. In 2-3 years they’ll be looked back as “I cannot believe people did something this stupid. And they celebrated and encouraged it”

[@Peter2k84]

Shrugs, the outside ladder to get up probably cost more than a used container. Making them more unique will undoubtatly add significatly to cost. A unique way, but still keeping costs in control, might have been to use a U shape and extending the middle with a glas roof all the way, or a winter garden of such a size.

[@thermitebanana]

But you can't build with used shipping containers, so what's the point?

[@oman4229]

How is it in a lightning storm?

[@jianpanglam570]

How does insulation work in those houses?

[@michelles.kennedy9122]

Your place is AMAZING! What STUNNING work you do! WOW.

[@devonloerop]

Thank you so much!

[@pnwpaths2925]

My biggest question is how much did you have saved when you started this process? I got a decent amount in stocks and I am tempted to pull the trigger on some property but it’s a big leap of faith it seems 😂

[@devonloerop]

I had about $150k cash on hand! I say go for it. It's scary no matter what!

[@MrXoco83]

Does a container home match up with the fair market value of a regular built home?

[@Alber6959]

Cheaper

[@thermitebanana]

It has to be more expensive because shipping containers are a constraint rather than a new invention. Architects are already free to design houses with an unlimited number of components which are shipping containers, and equilibrium number of shipping containers is almost universally zero.

[@sdog306]

How much was your total cost for building this container home?

[@tomnuytens925]

Looks nice and cool, but few constructive problems. Condensation will ruin the house fast...

[@devonloerop]

been running it for two years and zero condensation problems. Vapor barriers (ie closed cell spray foam) and proper ventilation are key. Same thing for a normal home.

[@snakebyteOne]

Nice build. Probably not too many NIMBY's in this neck of the woods. An outside deck on a raised 2nd floor level would be killer for AirBnB. Surprised there was no plan to put siding on the exterior.

[@mattbrown837]

Insulation?

[@ListedInTheSouth]

Lots of trials & tribulations, however, it was worth it in the end.

[@Natedoc808]

AG1 is great, as is framing out of lumber instead of shipping containers

[@saultorres6969]

THEY NEED TO BUILD CONTAINER HOMES IN FLORIDA👌👌👌

[@samantha_paige]

As a FL born and raised resident, that's what brought me to this video.

[@Darydude10]

They do

[@jesssimone6135]

Yep, here from Florida looking at videos as well and considering

[@LEELUNK-IS-A-HUNK]

THEY ALREADY HAVE THEM , GO VISIT A HOMELESS SHELTER

[@aldenecampbell5457]

There are different types of shipping containers they can build shipping containers in a factory that is not like that one that is much cheaper than the shipping container you are using.

[@crhu319]

To me just stacking them is a dumb waste of steel. Girders into the ground lifting the first one up like 5 meters in the air, then another 3 meter girder set lifting the next one up 3 more meters, gives you FOUR steel floors rather than the two you would get from just stacking them on tbe ground. The steel & concrete and build would cost about the same as more containers BUT youd have no foundation cost other than the posts and a huge sheltered storage, parking etc area below. Building this two containers wide lets you take out four long walls to use as sides of the middle story. Or, as floors with the containers set further apart and girders spanning the space between. Insulation should go outside since the thermal mass inside is helpful.

[@TrainerAQ]

Houses like that actually depriciate in value over time. Just like a car. You're not going to be building equity with those things. Yea you have a roof over your head, but a car can pretty much do that too. And it won't cost you an arm and a leg to do.

[@devonloerop]

False** this is a single family home and fully permitted. I just had an appraisal out at the property and it's valued higher than comps in the area.

[@ricardorodriguesrr18]

Don't talk about something you have no clue

[@johnliberty3647]

I found I can build the same thing with lumber for less.

[@MrJearley6]

This is NICE NICE NICE !!!!

[@arizeeleven1690]

This is the last dream home for us

[@mjbucar]

A good video - informative and concise - thank you.

[@sliqangel2714]

Love the back color please to let me know what's the name of that matte black colour

[@dharryg]

Thank you for the honest appraisals derived from your personal experiences. Well do e!

[@devonloerop]

of course! not many people transparent about the negatives of these homes.

[@mrcusa]

don't do it! Once you get past the novelty of "ccol aesthetics" .We've been there done that.The experience is worth it ,as long as you don't fall into a financial hole and/or can't handle the stress.

[@Juan-oy3fo]

Do vid ( do = talk about ) a house boat.. Must be 1pontoon 2 pipe 3 floats

[@dorriebanks792]

Are you in virginia? Would you consider making and shipping?

[@animal245533]

Oh no I just watch the first one yesterday and fantasized about building my own. My mind was set! This is terrible!

[@stavropulos]

Great build. But to say there’s no container home like it is false. The Box Hop in Hocking Hills was built prior to this and has a very similar look.

[@devonloerop]

Box hop is similar but much smaller. I love what Seth and Emily have done with box hop but my home is one of a kind.

[@matthewsemenuk7544]

Very Nice place tho. Im sure there are a lot of budget friendlier, rougher, builds.

[@MikeMillan-e2q]

Yoooo idk if you might reply but the first video I saw of yours just before this one was the Cedar Hollow Beauty Breakdown!!! Your my idol rn...but I am currently working on a project at my home looking to remodel a shed on my property to house 2 rooms and have a shop down below and incorporate it with an airbnb as a welcome to The Shop vibe while guest stay at my short term rental. I know I have to figure out making the idea sound proof but the shed can fit 2 RVs and would love to break it down with you and ask for advice, I've got the bread saved up to get it started and do it myself. would be a pleasure to collab.

[@me-xx7th]

What about expansion and contraction of the metal in places of temperature fluctuation? Ie. winter and summer extremes.

[@MrSteeDoo]

That is the deal breaker. CONDENSATION.

[@bijoudeaux1]

How does work in the Caribbean context? Has anyone from the Caribbean done this? I'm talking about Windward Islands Caribbean (Dominica, St. Lucia, Grenada, SVG).

[@ejo5294]

I love your house. There seems to be a lot of jealous guys in the comments.

[@Sanity_Faire]

There it is! 😅Yes.

[@MossMini]

6) Poor resell value

[@devonloerop]

Just got an appraisal and it valued 10% higher than comps in the area. The structure greatly exceeds building code because it's a custom structure. Plus I'd never sell it as a single family home as I'd sell as part of my business, which a multiple on the income will make the resale way higher than a single family home.

[@KitanaCollins]

@devonloerop 😂 great comeback

[@MossMini]

Very sure home buyers are looking for Container box style homes. Should be easy for you to sell when you're ready to let go. I'm not an expert. My prediction: container built homes will age like milk.

[@retroflambe]

@@devonloerop appraisals are great, and no question, they're amazing builds. However, I would like to see some one getting a mortgage for one of these, so please post when you actually sell one or two of them.

[@Trash-Castle]

I don’t know dude, I have 80k into 1850 square feet, i don’t plan on selling it. But my resell value is there

[@alevaldes6589]

Whats the final Price please and how long it take ?

[@devonloerop]

Go check out my cost breakdown video, it's super detailed. Took about 9months from permit to first guest staying in the home.

[@kimkirksey3018]

Devon do you build shipping container homes?

[@devonloerop]

@@kimkirksey3018 yeah! In Washington I will. :)

[@vickierogers4462]

Hey, I'm really think about this need your help to start this Project

[@projectsgalore]

Can you please help me understand why you cant add an addition on to one, as in a bump out? We already have a 48' container on the property for storage while we built our log cabin....now it is empty, and im dreaming of options. I don't want tk have to add a container on top, but wider somewhere along the span of it would be nice....if you care to throw out thougts about that. Thanks!

[@devonloerop]

Hey! I sell my container homes plans online at thepacificbin.com/plans (code BIN70 gets you 70% off, since you're only going to need them for the connection detail) but you could pretty much put one next to it, cut out the walls in between (using my structural details), then you have a huge open space. Hopefully that helps!

[@alexderval4900]

Thanks

[@HeidiRobinson-ft7vl]

Thank you for this video

[@justicesims8462]

Would you help someone else make their hom?

[@devonloerop]

Shoot me an email [e-mail] :)

[@bmanz8117]

With all this complicated build, what is the point as apposed to a well built traditional build?

[@devonloerop]

As a short term rental unique is very important and yields higher daily rate

[@WRIGHTWAY5280]

Im looking to possibly purchase a container home that is finished inside but isnt plumbed. Will it be more difficult to add it at this stage?

[@devonloerop]

Ehhh, idk if I'd do that. Kind of backwards processes there.

[@ricmucha9096]

Thanks for the tips

[@devonloerop]

Of course!

[@DEADMELLOX]

Good selfie video.

[@MicThinksTiny]

Love this! Super helpful. I appreciate your transparency. I’ll definitely share this video with others who are considering shipping container homes! 👏🏾

[@devonloerop]

Glad it was helpful. Great chatting with you the other days. Excited to see the podcast come out!

[@Mark-gg6iy]

Home design choice is affected by natural insects (such as termites) and ambient climate.

[@JTMary]

I’m wondering if they are good for tropical savanna climate? Hot and humid

[@devonloerop]

Yeah great! As long as you properly insulate

[@JTMary]

@@devonloerop Thank you. Going to email in few months, love your work.

[@devonloerop]

@@JTMary looking forward to it

[@JeronWhite]

Cool house

[@kimkirksey3018]

Do you have the contactors that you used?

[@devonloerop]

@@kimkirksey3018 yeah! I did most everything besides electrician plumbing, hvac. Shoot me an email if you're interested in a consult. [e-mail]

[@tommygamba170]

Good. Most of the time it's not a reasonable build.

[@MajidMagi-fj5ux]

I’d buy it

[@MartinGandy-k1t]

That is good information about the shipping container homes tk s.

[@devonloerop]

You bet!

[@davidrains6751]

so just dont stack your containers when building it ? whats so difficult

[@devonloerop]

doesn't look as cool just as one level.

[@sallya.rhodes8592]

Very good job!.

[@thermitebanana]

That looks cool. So basically Belinda Carr is right, shipping containers aren't building materials

[@santoakapoppawilly]

THank you

[@davidcantu9727]

Love your stuff and get so excited anytime I see a new vid!

[@devonloerop]

Will be ramping up to 2 videos a week by end of the year. Big things planned!

[@Chachausatoh]

Good job 😊

[@MuletTheGreat]

"Sweat Equity" The rest of us call it labour. There's nothing fancy or shameful about working hard.

[@roguecaptor8734]

No need to do more than 1x2 framing in a container