5 Problems with SUPER TRAINERS

Running Shoe Talk is back. Today's subject is Super Trainers. I would tell you all five problems but then why even watch this content I worked oh so hard to create. Not that anyone reads the description but if you do, I buried ten thousand dollars in backyard under the apple tree. Just kidding. I don't have that much money nor do I own an apple tree. I do own a lot of running shoes. In this video I mention the SC Trainer v1 and v2, the Boston 12, the Hoka Skyward X, the Adizero Prime X Strung, the Endorphin speed 1 and the Endorphin Pro 4, all of which I own. This is just my opinion. I may be wrong. It happens a lot. But it is my experience.
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Shoes discussed in this video:
Saucony Endorphin Speed, Saucony Endorphin Pro, Adidas Boston 12, The New Balance SC Trainer V1 and V2, the Adidas Prime X Strung, the HOKA Skyward X.
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[@SagasuRunning]

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[@MidLifeRunner]

Nice! Got something to listen to on the way home from work 🧑‍🍳 💋

[@SagasuRunning]

@@MidLifeRunner This one has lots of graphics and charts… there is a progression.

[@MidLifeRunner]

@@SagasuRunning it’s crazy how much we were on the same page. Ultra genre/mad max etc… since I’m newer to running , I really love the historical context you give in a lot of the videos

[@noeidee924]

“When everyone is super, no one will be.. “ one of my favorite quotes from the Incredibles.

[@MilesLangley]

You’ve clearly nailed the KZbinr sit down transition.

[@tgibridays]

It's one of my favorite gags. It must be tiring to film though. 😂

[@MidLifeRunner]

Thank you, Miles. It is really just preventative anterior pelvic tilt work I should be doing in the gym but I’m too busy talking carbon plates into the ether

[@nicholas5396]

I got 5 on it for the inevitable Neo Vista super trainer review ❤

[@MidLifeRunner]

🙌🏼 Nick at this point you’ve almost bought the shoe for me. It. Is. Inevitable

[@AlistairEldred]

Heartily agree - The Endorphin Pro 3's are mu supers.

[@MidLifeRunner]

Stellar choice .

[@jameswestmoreland9717]

Ok, you misspelled my. I thought that you were informing us of the latest, tech to to hit the market: MU. I should know better, I miss-spell muh shoes all the time. MUH: Southern speak.

[@i.p2088]

Alphafly V1 is the definition of SUPER 🎉🎉🎉

[@xti2020]

Been looking forward to the next one since the last one

[@MidLifeRunner]

Good to hear. I’ll have to make these part of my regular rotation

[@tono1665]

True Words 👏🏻. Interesting perspective

[@MidLifeRunner]

🙏🏼

[@nicholas5396]

That og endo speed was special for sure🎉

[@Joe_Souza]

Love that you bleeped the wrong word.😂

[@MidLifeRunner]

It’s in the details for me 🧐

[@LuisBecerra79]

No no no you are special 🤜🏼🤛🏼😁

[@mattbeier]

I would consider the ASICS Magic Speed 3 as a super trainer. Race day upper, superior training foam that feels great with the carbon plate, and a thicker outsole in the same configuration as the MetaSpeed shoes. It feels great at all paces for me as a midfoot striker, but the roll off the toe makes you want to push the pace. A great all around shoe and reminds me of the feeling I got with the Endo Speed 1.

[@MidLifeRunner]

Thanks for looking out Matt beier. Similar to this year, I always run out of money when the Magic speed releases and never circle back for it. You had me at endo speed 1. I’ll have to pick it up when it’s on sale - maybe instead of socks or cologne I’ll get magic speed 3s for Father’s Day

[@mattbeier]

@@MidLifeRunner That sounds like a great plan. After seeing the Magic Speed 4 and the massive changes, I would rather have the Magic Speed 3. It is a slightly more aggressive shoe compared to the Endo Speed 1, but it rolls so nicely at speed especially when you hit that sweet spot. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on it in the future.

[@mattwells4294]

Why do I feel like I just went to a therapy session?

[@MidLifeRunner]

That’ll be 40 dollars, Matt. Please, I need more running shoes

[@JohnBirtchetSharpe]

Adding a superlative at the start of each shoe name let's you charge 20-30 dollars RRP .. didn't you realise it. .. Funny enough my favorite trainer of the last 12 months was the topo cyclone 02 .. a low stack of pebax with no need for a plate as it was low enough to the ground not to need a stability aid .. go figure .. quite like the rebel v4 at the moment (and yes I do have a wider foot) , a bit thicker but blends a little peba into eva for a nice but of return.. Likely I am just not super enough to see the justification for the 70's 300g + platform trainers .

[@MidLifeRunner]

I ran out of money before I could get the topo cyclone and then it wasn’t available in my size. I really want to try that shoe. The rebel v3 was one of my top shoes of 2022 and I bought a back up pair just to remember it as shoes get more and more structured. I want to make a video on what is becoming a more traditional “low stack” running shoe. I like the brooks Hyperion tempo, the trinoosa, and to a lesser extent the vomero 16 and floatride energy 5 from Reebok. I use them for the gym and for the treadmill on Mondays .

[@allheartrc]

Lookin razor and looking like sub3 is right around the corner!

[@MidLifeRunner]

MK! You think Cole or Evan can come pace my sub 18 attempt on Sunday? 🤣 I relate to their workout videos because we are running such similar splits, even though I’m training more by effort

[@i.p2088]

I have the Cielo X1.. Very close to the Alphafly V1 so Supershoe?

[@MidLifeRunner]

I’ve heard it’s got a great underfoot feel but it’s too heavy for the marathon distance. I will purchase it when it goes on sale

[@TimGrose]

So with the likes of the Endorphin Pro 4 do you still "like" it and are pleased you got it and will get good use out of it despite seemingly not wanting to use it for its apparent reason - to race in? Or is it more you will use it as it is OK and may as well get some use out of it but really you wished had not bought it?

[@MidLifeRunner]

Im going to have to circle back to this one as I haven’t run in the shoe at various paces enough to be sure of a final verdict. Confident in the first impressions but I need to race in them. (I do have a 10k coming up). These shoes were actually sent to me (not by Saucony but still, a rarity. So, it does influence the answer, meaning, if I had bought them, I would have likely anticipated a race day shoe (as advertised) and felt some way about them coming up short maybe. As it stands, I had no expectations when receiving them and I’m grateful to test them out. That being said - I do like them more than the pro 3, which gave my Achilles some fits and was a little too stiff and controlling. The more pliability of v4 is a positive for my foot 🦶. I feel like I have more control. I’ll do a full review later in the year at some point. How’s your training coming along ?

[@TimGrose]

@@MidLifeRunner ah thanks. Part of the reason for the question might be apparent in my next video. I quite liked the Pro 3 and even did one low key race in it and some intervals. It was OK for "easy" but not really a shoe I would consider reaching for too often for that. So I decided to pass on the Pro 4 as although looks promising felt it might well just turn out to be another expensive super trainer for me. Running not going so well. Got a bit of a foot/Achilles/arch issue so your plantar vid struck accord as is "sort of" a similar area.

[@KeithEstep]

Nike Tempo was the first super trainer imo

[@MidLifeRunner]

You’re right. It was already out when I got into running so I missed the train. Endorphin Speed was the 2nd one

[@i.p2088]

Wonder how the Mizuno Neo Vista will be?

[@nicholas5396]

Really really lookin good so far on other reviews.

[@MidLifeRunner]

I do wonder that a lot. Heard a little mixed reviews but mostly positive . I wonder if the foam is as dense as the sc trainer v1 with good rebound or if it’s a bit softer and I will sink into it more. Only one way to find out

[@nicholas5396]

@@MidLifeRunner 😂😂😂. There's always posh mart if it doesn't work out

[@bassgroup6841]

The problem with last year raceday shoes is that the aren't available anymore. Or you have euro size 50.

[@MidLifeRunner]

😂 that’s true . They do sell out awfully fast. And ASICS run a tight inventory so they’re never on sale

[@i.p2088]

Mizuno wave Rebellion Pro V1 is a Supershoe.

[@MidLifeRunner]

Yes I have only tried the 2 but it may be my favorite super shoe this year

[@snowwalker9999]

Thank you I thought I was the only crazy person who bought the Endorphine Pro 3 & Deviate Nitro Elite 1, both on sale for training only. I have not picked my race shoe yet. Super trainers are glorified daily trainer. I wish I could buy all of them. But I really don't think they are necessary in your rotation for any purpose. Mach 6 Rebel V4 Novablast 4 Triumph 21 can do everything a supertrainer does.

[@MidLifeRunner]

💯I would take the Novablast 4 over the Boston 12 and sc trainer v2 any day. I bought the deviate nitro elite v1 for threshold runs too. The sc elite v3 is a zesty lil number too that doesn’t have super shoe punch but I love training in it . Nimble.

[@snowwalker9999]

@@MidLifeRunner Great minds think alike, midlife's wisdom. I've been looking for a SC elite 3 my size. I moved a little too slow.

[@snowwalker9999]

@@MidLifeRunner Midlife's wisdom. Great minds think alike. I moved a little too slow, can't find a SC Elite V3 my size but glad I got the other shoes.

[@jonhopkins6061]

Prime x 2 strung my guy

[@MidLifeRunner]

The best of the mad max shoes. I like it over SC Trainer v1 and skyward x

[@jameswestmoreland9717]

My beef: Super trainers that use the same foam, even a similar/same plate as the company's super shoe/ racer. So gues what? They wear out as quickly as the racer models, maybe more quickly with a lot of "-plodding miles".

[@tav4755]

would you say theres a plethora of super trainers guapo

[@MidLifeRunner]

☠️ oh yes - el jefe always carries a plethora of super trainers

[@ThomasWake1]

I find the latest obsession with super high tech gear in running to be kinda gross. Whatever happened to soul runners?

[@MidLifeRunner]

I imagine there will be a trend eventually that returns to more minimal and soft surface running. I’m here for all of it

[@Wings_nut]

I will not use a plated shoe during a training block. I don't want the shoe to do the work for me. I'll only use a plated shoe during a race when it matters.

[@benstevens1718]

I prefer duper trainers...

[@MidLifeRunner]

🤣

[@user-sx8rv5pz7u]

Dont like to bulky shoes