5 Tips on how to PRICE YOUR MURALS, Get PAID & Not Get SCREWED | The Business of Murals Part 2

On this part we talk about how to get paid for your murals, how to price your murals, how to not get screwed as an artists. We also talk about art deposits and some other tips and insider secrets on painting murals.
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[@TenHundred]

Part 1 to this video can be found here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rYCbeJuog8l0ncU

[@eig1979]

Have you done any album art for anyone? And how would you go about contracting a deal with a music artist? I have people asking me to do cover art for them all the time. But they want to get away with paying me a one time payment, of like $40. Half the time I tell them I want royalties. A small percentage of the prophet of each album sold with my art on it. Most of the time, these people really don't appreciate the work they are asking for. Any advice would be appreciated.

[@samuelmuiga3101]

This is some very professional advice,wonderful!

[@mariusskrupskis2042]

Hey, thanks, needed this right now, the part about projects that fall through.. :D Maybe a Vid about red flags when chosing clients? :]

[@fleurdeb7803]

Have you done a #3 on this topic yet?

[@tubbstercole4987]

Next tip for artists is to make sure and not get carried away with a job. Sometimes you get so excited about a possible job that you go above and beyond and try to do way more than requested of you and create all these complex and intricate designs that you're proud of only to then have the client not like it or fall through on approving the project. Be sure to find the balance between offering a quality service and being adequately compensated for you expertise

[@NormanDurkee]

This, this so much. I wish someone explained this to me when I was younger and starting out. As a passionate artist it is so easy to fall into this cycle. I would wast so much time with a "potential client", and when they showed just the smallest bit of interest, I would rush to the desk and draft up a handful of different designs. Without even talking to them first about what they even wanted or ever getting any real "your hired" from them. Just the excitement of a possible client takes over and your off. Needless to say, those clients would just never email back after that overwhelming initial email lol. But were all young once, and these are mistakes we all make. You learn and grow from it.

[@thomasrainbow]

Yes! And that goes for emails.. Keep it very simple and to the point! These people are busy like you are!

[@tiwantiwaabibiman2603]

Another tip: The contract should include a clause that the mural can not be intentional destroyed or covered up without notifying you/the artist prior to removing/painting over the work. If the person/company commissioning the work doesn't own the building/wall they need have permission from the owner and hopefully get them to agree/sign the contract that they will contact the artist to repair/freshen the art work and that they will not remove/coverup or destroy the work before the artist has a chance to document/photograph the work or a way to remove it (i.e. if the mural was painted on detachable panels). Never sign away your copyrights or Intellectual Property Rights for original/concept art!!! Unless the client is willing to pay double or triple the price depending on who it is and what they're going to do with images of your work. Also include a line that you/the artist will receive name credit for any images of the mural (whether partial or full) appear in print or digitally.

[@JacyndaMinor]

This is a big one, I had a mural covered up when a new business moved into a building and it was heartbreaking. The original mural had the name of the business included in it, so I sorta see why they did it, but it didn’t make it any less of a bummer (especially since I _really_ didn’t want to include the business name in the first place, but they really insisted) I also think it just looks bad to have your work covered. I really like the added part about including credit in any images shared in print or online, I never would’ve thought of that and it’s MAJOR. The whole point of a contract is to create a written and enforceable doc that lays out all the shit you assume/hope will happen anyway. I really need to let my lawyer buddy make me one. Do you bring it to them on paper, and stand there and wait for them to sign it? Or do you send it over and let them get it back to you later? And then where do you store it? I hope these aren’t too legallish of questions, I see it more of a logistics thing. I never know how to go about it, like bring it up and get it done and get it back and all that. So I’ve skipped it- and as you can guess, this has cost me *thousands* of dollars over the years.

[@randomshit65]

Who cares 💀💀 it is a damn job

[@tmb9126]

@@randomshit65 Yeah, I agree with you. Once they've paid me, they own it. They can do whatever they want with it. It's a bit egotistical to say they can't remove it or paint over it. They can do whatever they want. They've paid me and I'm able to pay my bills. When did artists and musicians start acting like they were so worthy of being worshipped and idolized. I supposed this mindset has been going on for a very very long time. We provide a service. No, they can't sell prints of my work like they own it that way, but there's common sense and then there's an egotistical mindset.

[@MHTutorials3D]

Hey TenHundred, I am not a murialist but as a 3D artist I found your video very helpful and applicable to digital artist. Thanks !

[@thegraytergood]

Thus video is amazing, thank so much for sharing your knowledge and experience! Something else I’ve found incredibly helpful is to add in a late fee for any late payments - it can help that company’s accounts team magically work faster 😅

[@SMOENOVA]

ohhhhh yes - thanks for the video, I can underline everything you said. Especially doing photomontages decreases a loot of problems - BUT NEVERRRR NEVERRR let the client alone with your print and the finished mural... Dunno why, but they start to compare, like they want to find a "mistake"... Destroy the print immediately when you are nearly done. And never let the client compare... this seems to be some psychological thing... good video - in case of pricing it is a little bit more complicated, but having a fixed price is always better than getting money per hour - especially if the client is staring at you while the whole process.... looking forward to more videos like this!

[@clmclachlan]

That bit about the concept and the finished product - there can always be a clause in the contract to cover a disclaimer that concept is CONCEPT and doesn't represent a warranty that the final product will correspond precisely to it. You never know what might come between your concept and the finished art - substrate, bad lighting, paint availability and quality (if you're buying in a foreign location) anything can screw with the perception of the final product.

[@SMOENOVA]

@@clmclachlan customers don’t care, the find a “mistake” and they are unhappy.

[@AshSchultzArt]

I've been doing mural work for someone that themes and manages airbnbs for almost a year now. Looking at branching out on my own now and Im finding your info on the subject really helpful.

[@chosenland]

You're top notch, Ten Hundred. I love your amazing artwork, but your super positive attitude tops everything. Thanks for uplifting the digital universe with these vids.

[@muchukunda108]

Legendary advice. That last one is gold!

[@TENZING_]

Super valuable info! Your channel is growing so fast!

[@TenHundred]

Creativity Weekly thanks dood!

[@artistjazz]

Im an illustrator and multi media artist (I do small murals on the side) and all of these tips are sooooo true! I had my last nightmare client and they taught me (I taught me afterward) so much about protecting myself and making sure we email eeeevvvveeerrryyything! If they can not communicate via email or messaging and thing We are going to just verbally talk about what they want... I run in the other direction. Thats been about 2 years ago and I haven't had that or any other major issues with clients since then! Just a bunch of angelic clients! Also keeping your ownership. I have illustrated over 200 books and unfortunately did not know how valuable I was. I no longer offer "Ghost" illustration after I saw my illustrations on a best selling book with another person as illustrator made me sick to my stomach! Yuck! You have as new Sub right here!

[@danjones3009]

More Real, straight forward Art and content like this please.. Back to basics. July, 2022. Thanks, brother.

[@JuniorTempletin]

Yea the not get screwed part bruh,,,,Yeeeeea as a creative i take it were all gonna go through the get screwed over phase,which sucks!!! but its more of a learning curve for us all ay.... thank you Ten Hundred for sharing this with us.

[@acmulhern]

This was some really good advice and applies to most art jobs. Quality content as usual!

[@XRAYCAT]

Really appreciate you making these videos..

[@2gigahijau]

You always sharing what matters! thanks man

[@streetartavenue8656]

Super great tips. Appreciate your willing to share and help 🤜🤛

[@mariaechevarria6675]

Man, thank you for being the best teacher ever and a huge inspiration :)

[@kujibur]

You're awesome. Just sharing your experience and being a professional made me want to watch more. Keep it up!

[@davidduits]

Hi TenH, many thanks for the video. I just started full-time as an artist after ten years of painting. and I learned some things I never thought about. thanks! greetings from Belgium

[@joes1920]

Awesome video with very helpful tips, thanks!

[@thomasrainbow]

Great info! I have experience painting murals and all of these tips are great. Being very professional and organized goes a long way and protects you and shows you care about your client and your work!

[@christian6067]

Honestly mate, youve got one of the most inspirational youtube channels, Im a Landscape architect and I always look to your videos for inspiration!! Keep it up bro

[@littlestbroccoli]

"Do more dope stuff" - Ten Hun's permanent life advice ✌

[@robertdufour2456]

These are amazing tips! Thank you very much!

[@robinaanstey3734]

Fabulous tips Peter, and thank you for sharing your expert advice. And folks, pls don't forget to get half up front before starting the job. That was a hard lesson I learned when I first started commissions a few yrs ago.

[@fredericapanon207]

Thank you for your tips, Peter! They are helpful for any artist. Great way to promote professionalism.

[@keniaalvarez5623]

You are so informative! Thank you. Please upload more more of these.

[@Profets]

oh yeah!! On the money man, I am literally going through this process right now. Super helpful yet again brother. Thanks.

[@anomalyalice]

Love you 10Hun. Watching and taking notes in my artist notebook so I can level up!

[@ame3690]

Good luck with all the new fans :) Thanks you for the valuable advice.

[@swollgunsmurphy]

Super happy I found this channel. Thanks for the info.

[@northstar_lighthouse8057]

Subscribed. Your content is helpful & wonderful. Thank you

[@walkinsol4707]

Im about to do my first mural for this local shop where i live. Went immediately to this video for tips. Thanks ten hun ☺

[@eno_7206]

Sending positive vibes bro. Thanks for the info.

[@jonesmichael7799]

Another great video!! Thanks for the value

[@DavidPuckArtist]

Awesome video man, thank you! :) Concept art point is a really good one. I've made fast (bad) concept art before assuming that the client will be able to jump the difference from that to my usual quality, like its just a sketch for subject/composition, but its not necessarily the case and people can react weirdly. Much better to spend a good time producing good work even at concept level like you do. Your point in general to not assume anything and to communicate clearly is gold for this and for communication in life in general.

[@davidsierra6682]

Great info! Thank you for putting this info out there!

[@emmakendall2019]

love the ending especially! thanks for this video.... really really interesting and useful!

[@LuelleLlorens]

This was great. Thank you.

[@ShanaramaNS]

Brilliant advice! Thanks so much from London, UK✨👌

[@bobbygranito9475]

Thanks bud great advise across the board!

[@ernakristin7916]

Amazing info and a great video. You are the most generous person sharing your experience. Very thankful for you! Loved "Live and let live." And move on.

[@TenHundred]

Thank you. I'm glad you liked it and I hope it is helpful to you and others.

[@majgatomg752]

Good tips Ten Hundred Loco!

[@vock6531]

These videos have really given me a lot to think about! Thanks man! Really helpful!

[@MindfulAttraction2.0]

The best promo ever lol i can totally see myself doing this in a few years. It's cool seeing artist work, specially your video where you worked with an unknown company. It helps me see how difficult it was for Michelangelo to do his sistine chapel. It's quite beautiful

[@quikdon]

Dope video, thank you!

[@fromthecapsule4624]

Loved this video my man ..

[@joebelotte4893]

Respect bro!! Sending positive vibes your way

[@arthurskinner373]

Bro this helped alot. We need more videos like this

[@user-dj9id6ly3h]

Really helpful n straight up very profesional yet informative. Answered my questions n it made sense. Im barely going to start my own walls n start up my business as well.

[@rohitive]

Tip number 3 was really helpful. Thanks dude

[@andreparris6498]

I like all your opinions on these subjects!

[@Dunelailamusic]

Really glad I found your channel. Just got the gig fro my first mural so I have really been learning from your vids! A video about how you make your concept art and apply it to buildings and walls on photoshop would be really helpful :)

[@airohernandez9906]

Yo 10 hun your my hero bro straight up

[@joshaw3753]

You are awesome... just what I needed to know - THANK YOU!

[@suehanrocks]

Wow!! This help so much. I'm doing my first mural and checking youtube for tips... lol . You explain so well thanks!

[@kd1687]

Great videos!!! Thank you for the info. I've learned the hard way about contracts and my time& effort being just as valuable as my work.

[@abbywillart]

Thank you so much for this video!

[@mahergabal108]

A true artist 🎨 soulful work 👁

[@HeARTsake]

Great tips, thanks! I'm just getting started with mural art 😁

[@diandrearoberts5803]

This has been really helpful as I'm now venturing out to do Murals as a job.. Thank you

[@arcangelmaaze7804]

Dope

[@vouserra_8203]

Fantastic content. Thank you!

[@xDraZtiCx]

Holy shit, you're not only an amazing artist.. you're an amazing person with that speech about not blasting everything online if something goes South with a job... keep on being you!

[@vinceromero7208]

hey i wanna just say thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge with us its super usefull for beginning artists like myself thnx... ur killin it by the way most pro

[@desaryuartha1235]

thanks for sharing man, so inspiring for me as artist. may you always healthy

[@trishamody2792]

Been following your work religiously! Absolutely love the work you do, would dream of being at that level. It’s so inspiring to see the dedication and passion with which you work. Each piece is so unique but your style is consistent throughout. I wish that I could watch you work in real life some day! #no1fan

[@krispy_dreemz]

Keep up the good work homie. It's gonna be exciting to see where this artistic path takes us, and it looks like you've got a good foundation established to build from.

[@TenHundred]

Krispy Dreemz thanks so much! :)

[@suemacloud9863]

Dude! U are awesome! I love to see someone so successful and yet so humble. U and the wife are living my dream, 🤜

[@marianeaquino394]

Amazing video, thanks!

[@mindsightpublishing8333]

Murals look dope! Good video to display your talents.

[@rjartwear]

I've been commissioned to paint my first mural and I am stoked and overwhelmed. Well, I'm so happy I found your channel, and I'm a Seattle artist too! I'm feeling a little bit more prepared every video I watch. So thank you so much for putting out this content!!!

[@rjartwear]

@@snailkid-bz6cf I fly out to Arizona to paint it in December! Right now I’m practicing acrylic on a small scale so get used to the medium. It’s going to be a challenge! Luckily I’ll have an assistant coming with to help. It’s going to be a 20’ x 24’ wall and I’ll have 5 days to complete it. I’ll need all the luck and practice I can get. 🤪

[@andrewamer447]

You're awesome love your positivity subscribed love your channel

[@gibranvr8365]

This is gold

[@vesnaveberic737]

OUH; now, it`s already here! THANKS a lot !!

[@FutureLaugh]

really good advice here, you are a true professional 10hun

[@tommylagha2973]

Bro you have no idea how big was your help , thanks a lot brother good luck

[@FULSH44]

Dope! very helpful and Fantastic wall.

[@dstrct3742]

Freakin love your channel. SO inspiring 👌

[@wakokaine6976]

Good advice I'll keep it in mind

[@jkgaudia]

Dude, you will be the reason I get into murals...actually working on one I will try to send to you when it is done

[@unlink1649]

This is super important insight for any freelancer. People who design websites or software, take notes, this one is for you too.

[@sylviapineda6717]

Awesome ,thanks calif

[@CharlesAlexanderCollections]

Informative! Stay Blessed bro!

[@TenHundred]

Chucc Brown thank you!

[@ZeldaMaphike]

Hey my name is Stevie Cray i am a rapper from South Africa who is look to get in to mural art and thanks for the information you've provided to me about the profession and I'm looking forward to see taking it to the next level ❤

[@ymaclean706]

Hi Ten Hundred! Love your work, love your style, love your shares - thanks a million! Keep sharing its a beautiful thing you're doing. I’d like to ask a few tech info q’s... for out door murals.... 1) what paint do you use to prep a brick/ concrete block wall (super thirsty, porous)... and 2) what paint to you use when it’s not aerosol? Thanks for being an inspiration. y

[@bikeenthusiast3541]

thanks a lot Buddy! God bless you more...

[@luciana4862]

Sos un genio! Thanks for your work, you inspire me

[@gonethegoner3913]

Thank you! I really appreciate this video

[@TenHundred]

NICE! Thanks for watching

[@LewisBurns]

Thanks for the advice about not airing bad gigs on line.

[@teresal.anguiano1947]

Thank you ...super helpful. Love you and wife team...there should be more team couples like yours👍🖌🎈

[@saso_arts]

Thank you for the vid! It's super helpful! :D

[@TenHundred]

You're very welcome

[@anabonn3044]

Super dope video, and you are super dope. Thank you!

[@thewayofken6501]

Yesss!! Been waiting for days

[@TenHundred]

Kenneth Cabuyao thanks for patiently waiting and watching 😬

[@tubbstercole4987]

I own a wide format printing company. For example we do the vinyl wall wrap prints etc. lol everything you mentioned in the video was spot on. It may not sound necessary or you may think there's no way that particular client would ever do you wrong but trust me it happens. Always protect your downside on every job, especially with deposits. ALWAYS make sure to collect them. There's nothing worse than putting in work for a client and drafting sketches etc only to have them fall through.

[@artisticgoldcreativeconcep9957]

Cool video! Thx!

[@robertcabase455]

I really inspire your mural concept Hopefully i can do this at home.

[@victordambre3713]

Hey dude, I discovered your channel this week, and I really enjoy your style and creative vision. Hope you'll get where you want, keep it up ! Peace

[@TenHundred]

Thanks so much! Appreciate you watching :)

[@olivierroubieu]

I agree with all you said, and That's how I price, though the contract scares away smaller clients, and I also give a price that covers everything in the UK where I live, but when I work abroad, I normally get the client to sort ou the paint, transport, flights, hotel.

[@freshiscool8734]

Thank you. Helpful video. Greatly appreciated.:)

[@TenHundred]

Freshiscool you’re welcome! Thank you for watching