5 UNITS THAT ARE BETTER THAN THEY SEEM! - Total War: Warhammer 2

[@zaki_imansyah]

"Watch a 10 hour loop of Treekin vs. Ironbreakers" It wouldn't be a loop

[@minhpn5711]

You underestimate my power.

[@wetbrick3394]

7:20 *record scratch* *freeze frame* “Yup, that’s me. You’re probably wondering how i ended up in this situation.”

[@miguelmontenegro3520]

"Sometimes all you need to get in a tough situation is having your emperor leaving for a few days, and letting an elector's son in charge. Well, let me tell your this story. Ready? Here we go (...)"

[@narxes]

That guy has the same face I had when my best friend hooked up with my ex.

[@brandonfrancis1941]

@@narxes That's rough buddy. Honestly I'd laugh and say buckle up if any of my friends dated my ex.

[@neerGdyahS]

I was thinking "WAITWAITWAIT I thought this was the Mordheim videogame! 1v1 me dammit!"

[@acheron16]

7:22 "They're right behind me, aren't they?"

[@thesuperginge1348]

Hahaha

[@TheGlenn8]

7:20 "Fight for Sigmar they said, protect the empire they said."

[@Aredel]

"They're just Greenskins, they said."

[@MrSafior]

It's that a mother f****** Astérix référence ?

[@shyamsundarrajan2469]

I wish i could super like this

[@mastery7901]

Some time stamps to help out. 0:26 - Grenade Outriders 2:29 - Sepulchral Stalkers 4:57 - Nasty Skulkers 7:48 - Tree Kin 10:42 - Witch Elves 👍

[@randomunusedaccount3153]

It’s people like u that take time to make our lives easier that deserve respect

[@andregon4366]

9:55 The best match of the game.

[@actualcat1409]

Wasn't there chapters 2 years ago?

[@calebcampbell9280]

Finally someone with a platform extols the virtues of the grenade launching Outriders. They are crazy good.

[@chack321]

Yes they are. I thought everyone knew already though.

[@the_boar_king8990]

Same, was surprised to see them on the list. But I suppose maybe he just meant they aren't used as much as they should be.

[@acheron16]

I think they are considered good by a ton of people, at least in singleplayer. On multiplayer, they're probably overpriced, but then again, I dont play multiplayer.

[@doktarr]

@@the_boar_king8990 I've seen a number of people trash them because they don't get a lot of kills. They have a tendency to thrash the health pool of a unit pretty badly before the model count starts to drop.

[@Wingman4508]

I love them, its just that they do take a lot of attention to really use to full potential. Their engagement range is short enough that a hostile unit can close range and get into melee surprisingly quickly if you're not paying attention. At least thats my issue, but my micro game is also absolute shit.

[@owenmorris9306]

I’ve never played multiplayer, but the treekin were the absolute bedrock of my last woodelf campaign. You’re basically bringing along a mobile castle. Plonk them in a line that you don’t want the enemy to cross and you can forget about them to focus on the damage dealing / micro-heavy units. Really satisfying

[@Zerkovich]

Haha mobile castle. Probably steal that. You'll get your cheque in the mail.

[@easytanksgaming3238]

Yeah, I was surprised a lot in one of the fights, where they holding against tons (literally tons) of swordsmen. And lost only 1 tree from each unit for 20 minutes battle

[@shimorimurisarain8942]

Exactly!)))

[@crazyshak4827]

My favorite use for them in campaign is in Alarielle's army as High Elves. They don't get all the bonuses they get with Wood Elves, but they're still nearly impossible to move, and anchoring a front line while Alarielle's souped up Sisters of Avelorn rain death on the enemy line is fairly devastating

[@kinixys2546]

When I first got into this game, one of my more experienced friends set up a line of grenade outriders right in front of me and instantly crushed my front line. I've been terrified of them ever since.

[@theknightstar8640]

Other way around for me actually. Absolutely crushed his eleven front line with my grenadiers

[@magron8029]

Sounds like you need more skavenslaves

[@thurbine2411]

Z O once used a penumberal pendulum on 4 or 5 darkshards with shields when my not so experienced friend placed them in a very nice line

[@nicholaswalsh4462]

For the memes: A two v two battle. Only treekin and ironbreakers.

[@shadowwarriorshockwave3281]

Nicholas Walsh lmao

[@andrzejwilk7316]

optional runesmiths with runes of negation

[@scroople8488]

I wonder who would’ve won

[@greatcornholio]

The satchel charges could do well against the treekin so a proper army of ironbreakers would most likely win (also the numbers would allow you to cycle units to keep fresher units in the fight)

[@blaster23456]

It would be literally just a bunch of trees, staring down a bunch of grumbly dwarfs.

[@lordioftotalwar657]

allright treekin vs ironbreaker ASMR is needed and demmanded

[@colossusslayer1234]

in all fairness about the grenade riders, i imagine the explosion rework probably gave them a huge boost. Also, stalkers werent great overall until very recently as well so yeah.

[@darthralin]

Yeah, I remember being excited to have a cavalry that blew shit up in game 1, and I was pretty disappointed at their performance then, and basically stopped using them after that. But then, my one unit of grenade boyz in a confederated army got so much work done after the rework that I can no longer resist including them in my Empire armies.

[@colossusslayer1234]

@@darthralin yeah, I started with WH2 like 10 mmonths ago or something and pretty much did the same thing. "Grenade launchers?? COOL- nevermind they suck ass" XD im glad theyre good now

[@zzxp1]

I remember them being pretty meh on the first game. Now that i think about it, none of the explosive units were good at dealing damage for that mater, there was no reason to pick a rocket battery unless it was the RoR version over cannons. What change they made to explosions? Are irondrakes and flame cannons useful now?

[@oneringtorulethemagicarp7199]

@@zzxp1 iron drakes are super good, but suffer from quite low range, so you have to be careful. if you can get them firing on some high model infantry tho you can deal A LOT of damage. flame cannons are still overcosted, but their damage is fine

[@ryanmaris1917]

The outriders with grenades have to be my favorite unit.

[@medicyukisuna]

Grenade outriders are definitely my favourite empire unit. When i play coop my friend usually plays empire and i love having control of his grenadiers. Manually controlling them gives you SO much impact.

[@born2hula325]

Skavenslave slingers - they do the basic slave job just as well as the others but also melt lightly armoured units and anything they can flank.

[@shuaguin5446]

melt lightly. You mean tickle ?

[@born2hula325]

@@shuaguin5446 They melt units with light armour, not melt armoured units lightly XD

[@Apt00]

That outro was immaculate, angelic even.

[@Macfierce1]

the best total war channel. can't wait for the greenskins rework. CA to release this already!!!

[@alexandersekula6909]

the longer we have to wait, the better it gets

[@jakkeboonen773]

Played my first online battle thanks to you, was building against Dark elves at first with my favorite + most played faction : Greenskins. When I was done with my army build, the other player changed his faction to Greenskins as well!!! Thanks to your guides + tactic video's I was able to snatch a victory with my simple, yet balanced build. Love the work and insights in every video, can't wait to play against you sometime!! (When my confidence is a little higher xD)

[@winndypops]

I adore the Tree-Kin, I use them a lot in Avelorn's Campaign but have yet to do much with the Wood Elves.

[@drakefire6675]

4:10 Can attack air units. Shoots at land target.

[@Malakith]

Avelorn can also recruit Tree kin, it's a pretty good way to spice up your spearman frontline for that faction as well.

[@FiendMatadorSlayerOfNoobs]

I believe the reason people don't really use Outriders with grenades is because they are unaware of the change to explosive damage that came with Hunter and the Beast, or shortly after, hence why other units like Zombie Deckhands with Bombs are also terrifying.

[@darko-man8549]

The rework to the stalkers was just.....just one of the best things ever

[@WRanger87]

Dark O-man the stalkers are crazy value. I feel like I’m cheating when I use them

[@evilyisus8433]

discovered your channel quite recently and i was always wondering where the Treekin vs. Ironbreakers references came from, glad i found it

[@doktarr]

Very cool stuff on the strategy for using the witch elves.

[@harjutapa]

Grenade outriders are amazing for breaking infantry formations, smashing other skirmishers who are dumb enough to come in range, and demolishing ranged infantry if your opponent is paying attention.

[@FrizFroz]

Finally Sepulchral Stalkers are getting the recognition they deserve! Been a long time since they've been a meme. I've had two units of them take on two units of grail knights and won.

[@TheRewasder97]

How did you know about dad's... friend?

[@amilitarymind]

Zerk man, you always have great bloody camera angles, just makes your videos that much more enjoyable, plus that has inspired me to get my own awesome camera angle during my battles. The game is much more awesome when you get to see the action up close.

[@naves4122]

I didnot knew they buffed the grenade outriders till very recently when I recruited 2 units of them on mistake in Golden order legendary campaign with survival mod. They turned the siege battle upside down by throwing those grenades over the walls and on top killing hundreds of skaven. Now all I do is bring some artillary and couple units of outrider. Artillery smash towers and long range units while the grenade cleans walls. very effective against VC sieges.

[@lucask9651]

i really appreciate the info on how witch elf rampage works! I disagree a bit about the tree kin ( though i see what you are saying ) but one note is that i was a bit disappointed you didn't bring up Nasty Skulkers other ability! ( which i myself recently discovered ) it's a quick recharging automatically used short duration buff that's pretty good! something like +12 melee attack and +25% percent AP damage! which is sick as their MA is low, only thing is it's only used if they are winning combat. To me it's a big boon to them and something that deserves mention in a video like this

[@jukahri]

I loved nasty skulkers in my Skarsnik campaign, easily the one unit I relied on the most. Sure you don't get much use out of the smoke screen against dwarves, but AP damage and stalk always come in handy.

[@lavrentivs9891]

I'm almost exclusively a campaign player, but I find Tree kin to be my favourite defensive unit, especially when playing as Avelorn as I can combine them with Sisters of Avelorn and some cavalry on the flanks.

[@IEnjoyBeingNaked]

Wouldn't really say grenade launcher outriders are underappreciated. Everybody I've seen thinks the grenade launcher outriders are awesome. They have by far the best elector count variant too imo.

[@Tucher97]

The ripperdactyls are a unit I never used until recently, they make for great harassers for light archerers and siege crews while making for great heavy supports

[@arturobantugan1907]

10:16 dang, an arrow that can defy the laws of physics

[@whitecreamymilk8436]

I think you missed something on grenade outriders. They break enemy lines. Meaning they kill a enemies charge and defence. That can make cheap infantry slaughter more expensive stuff.

[@Mithguar]

And they work like artillery so they ignore shield block chance.

[@blazebrdar6492]

I disagree with Nasty Skulkers, not because I don't think they are good, but because I don't think they are underrated in anyway. They are a staple of almost every metal GS build in MP. For GS I think their most underrated unit is just your standard orc boyz. Almost no-one uses them but they are actually quite good if used right. They are cheap chaff infantry that have 7 or 8 AP dmg, which is quite good for non AP dedicated chaff. I use them all the time with Wurzag. Waaagh, bonewood staff buffs and buff spells in general make these guys hit WAY above their weight class. They will actually beat long-beards if you keep them buffed with waaagh and the bonewood staff. That AP adds up and with buffs it makes incredible at dealing with lots of different types of troops. Plus they have shields, ok armor, better morale than goblins and pretty decent weight. People say goblins are better with buffs since there are more of them but I disagree, only the frontline troops get hits in, everyone else just waits in the backline. So the effective number of fighting troops is around the same for each, it's just that boyz get around 2 more AP per hit and have better morale/survivability. I have a long dead channel called "The Waaaghatorium" which showcases lots of good use of orc boyz in MP. Won battles against top players like Aerocrastic, Pharoah of War, Sarmatian ect. I'm tellin ya man...boyz.

[@samuelmuller5618]

Love the skulkers. They combo crazy well with some spider riders and/or night goblins, as the poison can make them survive longer to deal damage, and the poison speed debuff stacks with the smoke bombs. I'm a big fan of gobbo heavy builds, and the skulkers are usually my main damage-dealers aside from a few heavy-hitters. (A spider and/or a couple of trolls/squigs.)

[@OldBearby]

Awesome! I'm glad to hear someone who is actually good at the game suggests using grenade outriders! I felt like I was the only one using them, but I just kept using them because I liked them so much. Sometimes I like upgrading them to the max for the damage and extra fun.

[@Jagrofes]

Did they buff the grenade launcher outriders sometime? I remember when I tried to use them in WH1, they could barely do damage. Legit took all their ammo to kill 1unsupported unit of skeletons.

[@tahdiul]

yes CA reworked how all explosion damages work a couple patches ago. this greatly buffed effectiveness of bomber units and flame units like irondrakes

[@stackerssenior890]

I liked this video - profane, amusing, informative and occasionally useful - Zerkovich old chap - looks like we have found your strap line

[@8xRedMonkeyx8]

In Campaign, try having 10 Grenade outriders and take out their archers straight away, you can do it in 1 volley sometimes

[@zaleost]

I remember noticing that myself with the Sepulchral Stalkers during an early Tomb Kings campaign when they just came out. I figured they would make a semi decent cav equivalent but through I had lost them when they got in to a fight with some high tier Brettonian cav, but was surprised to see that they actually won the fight quote comfortably and since then often out performed the Necropolis Knights.

[@juanbarbosasiguenza5883]

Nasty skulkers it´s my favourite greenskin unit, i sue them even in late game with skarsnik, with his buffs to the goblins, poison atacks and the help of inivisble arachnarock are crazy powerfull. treekin i don´t used them because amber mechanich Grenade launche i always try to have one or two units in my armies sepulcharl stalkers a great discovery Witch elves i´m not sure, they are so weak without armor and need a lot micromanagement, not as the nasty skulkers, that are invisible

[@shimorimurisarain8942]

Treekin didn't use amber, as I remeber...

[@juanbarbosasiguenza5883]

@@shimorimurisarain8942 now not, before wood elves update yes if you were playing as Talsyn

[@kelleren4840]

Grenade outriders are so insanely good, I've been shocked to see them so infrequently used in MP and with very low relative micro.

[@mattxander8976]

Love dem nasty skulkers. In my skarsnik campaign I use about 4 units of them and keep them stalked on the flank. Once the main lines meet, those little buggers will get 100 kills on stuff like dwarf warriors and such. Cost effectiveness is wonderful!

[@acheron16]

You forgot Skavenslaves and Peasant mob. Expendable units that are actually pretty decent as meatshields. Also, Nasty Skulkers are considered the prime anti-cav unti of the Greenskins due to the bomb.

[@spiffygonzales5899]

100g to get rid of the charge bonus, give you men to die while ur good units hit the enemy, AND occasionally pull through the enemy line and attack ranged simply because the enemy thinks they're weak? Ze Lady Vills It!!!!!!

[@AJCherenkov]

The rework to explosion damage completely upended the unit balance for powder factions. It seems like a lot of people have yet to notice the full extent of it.

[@AnemoneMeer]

Gonna bring up the Vargheist as another one who's really underrated atm. Initially, they were seriously trash and honestly not worth using outside of campaign memeing, but with ample sources of weakness mitigation, especially from the Lahmian Vampire Lord, they are quite devastating now. They move fast, hit hard, win every air to air engagement around their cost bracket and win every air to air at equal costs. Their main weakness is and remains that if they get focused on when they land, they die, but more methods of stopping that have been released over the years and the Lahmian Vampire Lord in particular is basically tailor made to stop that from happening. Given they shred flying lords, and the Lahmian Vampire Lord can make a grounded lord suffer horribly, it's a great combination for lord hunting. Likewise, vs grounded forces that aren't massively armored, the combination of melee attack debuffing (of which vampires have and LVL has tons of), they can put their mobility and damage potential to work, either by leaping onto ranged units while their melee protection is held down, or by performing hammer and anvil on weakened troops. Seriously, one unit of them and a well timed seduction can easily take artillery out of the game with little risk or issue. I wouldn't call them the best unit ever, but they're really underrated atm. Their only real weaknesses have always been that their poor durability makes them easier to turn on than other VC options for H&A tactics, and that they need to be in combat for longer because they don't have an explosive charge bonus so much as just extremely good attack speed and damage per hit (one of the fastest attack rates of all VC units), combined with good mass for their numbers. Mind you, that weakness is huge, but if you can mitigate it, they tend to go on a rampage.

[@baeyensraphael3902]

Im playing a coop campaign with a friend. Were 80 turns in and he still has 6 peasant mob units in his lord's army. They are now rank 9, almost decent.

[@joshuaturnquist5538]

Skulkers are great and versatile for their cost. I like pairing them with Anti-large cavalry like Boar Big 'Unz, Skulkers catch expensive cavalry by surprise and Big 'Unz move in to react and finish them. Also I feel Night Goblin Fanatics don't get enough respect. A well positioned fanatic launch can cause massive damage to heavy infantry, and their poison really helps your other melee units.

[@neinherman9989]

I thought the grenade launchers were squig hoppers at first lol

[@vitvat6715]

I thought they were Norscan Ice Trolls...

[@danielw.8356]

I love grenader outriders. They are fantastic to keep at Forts that constantly hold back Orc invasions. Once the orks blob up on the ramp, grenadiers will easily rack up over 800+ kills

[@darko-man8549]

Dahvplays vs Zerkovich: treekin hater vs treekin lover

[@Arbaaltheundefeated]

What's also worth noting about the Nasty Skulkers is just how disgustingly their cost-effectiveness can be multiplied by the unique greenskin magic lores, due to the combination of large numbers and high AP damage I'm especially thinking of Sneaky Stabbin', though most of the greenskin lore buff spells work well on them really. Support from the Little Waaagh or Big Waaagh buff/debuff spells will have those knife-toting little cretins trading upwards with the likes of Chosen, Temple Guard, Depth Guard etc.

[@ragnarian]

i know its from WH 1, but vampire counts, zombies, a thin line of them in front of your army, incoming cav bogs down on them, then your better units can go in and start killing without taking the cav charge, in a siege, you can send them out and try to get enemy cav to charge them, then focus magic and towers on the now blobbed up enemies, if youre attacker in siege, send them to the far sides of where your attacking, force the enemy to spread out their units on the walls, meaning less to break through where youre trying to get in, ive found them to be really useful

[@Vargre]

Ah, cool. You read my comment. So im gonna leave another. Your videos are totally changing my style of playing WH II and its almost a different game to me now. Im going through all your "dont suck" vids. I had fun playing before. But id play just for fun. For example, every unit of Dark Elves had to have at least one Witch Elf unit in it and if I had a Death Hag she had to be grouped with them. Cos yknow, theyre Druchii. Thats how it would HAVE to be. That kinda thing. Now, its still fun, but im able to actually make some progress with The Crooked Moon now. So, thanks. Much obliged. If I had any disposable income atm I would absolutely send it your way.

[@Dinoman9877]

So I'm hearing to get half-decent battles again like in Medieval 2, we just need massive armies of Treekin and Ironbreakers.

[@johncarter7264]

I love that shot of the great swords running the fuck away!

[@blackdragonxtra]

7:20 "Did I leave the stove on...?"

[@heitorpedrodegodoi5646]

I remenber a KZbinr made an army of wood elves using Tree Kin,waywatchers and a few spearmen, that configuration eas doing very good.

[@kyallokytty]

In an empire campaign I'm playing I got marienburg and left a stack there to protect against norsca Then I decided to attack the vampire count in the mountains, I had never faced them with crossbows, only with handgunners, so I didnt expect how bad crossbows were I had 2 bordermen(the marienburg elector count troop, grenade launcher outriders) They got 600 kills We still lost but it was so close, at the end there were around 300 units in the field, but army losses hit for me and they routed It was so fun, grenade launchers with armor piercing are so strong

[@azorahai7837]

Haven't played multiplayer, but grenade outriders are always in my army. They're so op. Didn't know they weren't popular.

[@neerGdyahS]

I'm playing in an era that's seen several balance changes, but I've noticed my treekin do tend to wrack up a fair bit of damage themselves. It just takes a long time and a good bit of support.

[@rowancoggins9638]

hats off to you sir.... your analysis is always superb

[@bladerex1224]

Nailed 4 out of 5. Only one i didn't get immediately was the first one as i was a lot more interested in a certain other lord (Nakai) when the empire got new toys. Might have to give them a go sometime.

[@StabbyRatKing]

Honestly nasty skulkers are my favorite unit. It's just the idea of these little ladz running around your flanks and just squeezing the enemy into the front line. I can't tell you how many times I've caused a mass rout just from these lads.

[@batcat4136]

11:59 "... and he is for all intents and purposes *dramatic pause* proper fucked" I don't know why but that line kills me every single time I hear it. Just so unexpected from such a chill video

[@DmGray]

"intents and purposes" not "intensive purposes" Sorry, but I am literally incapable of letting that one pass :P

[@madskittls]

Dm Gray 12:01 for reference

[@funoff3207]

@@madskittls more like 11:59 you've only caught 'purposes'. This thread is a pedants dream.

[@thurbine2411]

I think he is saying intents and purposes

[@Cheesecutter12three]

We'll definitely being seeing more of the Tree-Kin in the upcoming Twisted and Twilight update!!

[@andreasottohansen7338]

Amazing, with the blurry images, i managed to guess the faction and called pretty much what they were every time. But, i consistently got every single one of their names wrong.

[@Powerofriend]

tree kin work for the center of your line, 1 or three units flanked by spearbois, since the spears can peel off and support the cav fight happening on their side of the line more comfortably. Also the little spearbois pack quite the anti large punch with their attack rate numbers and attack skill vs large.

[@danielsherar7548]

Foot squires are great honestly. Pop a grail relique in with them and they fight to the death

[@kido1642]

you rule, Zerkovich, definitely

[@Zerkovich]

No, YOU'RE breathtaking!

[@LL-ce4ro]

Treekin vs Ironbreakers Metapod vs Metapod

[@loganphillips2166]

I had an empire campaign where I started losing interest. So I made a army to follow my main, it was all cavalry. I threw in some grenade launchers because why not. A couple of battles later I was in love with launchers.

[@dhuh6760]

Explosives + Cavalry vs Closely-Packed Formations of Infantry Yeah, I don't see how that's effective tbh. I mean, how could that possibly do anything? I love them so much, oh my lord they're so good. Thanks for giving them the credit they're due!

[@minerdalta]

10:17 why did that one arrow filpped midair and smacked multiple enemies in the face?

[@tobiastalks1070]

Tree kin are amazing point blank period....they trade all the attack power (besides having really good animations) for toughness and that's perfect for the wood elves who need a stalwart wall to shoot over

[@viktordalberg565]

Wasn't expecting that inhale in the end.

[@adrianaslund8605]

I taught myself to always have Sepulchral Stalkers in My Tomb Kings army. They are your anti-tank commandos. Another lesson is to always bring a frontline. The Tomb Kings are a very flanking heavy army. So you need the enemy to have a flank in the first place.

[@denizs.9619]

I saw the quality of tree kin when they held a line of several chosen while waywatchers basically running around like headless chickens trying to land shots on the armored absolute units of chaos

[@TheGreaterGrog]

Skulkers can effectively cycle charge with smoke bomb, and have a half decent charge bonus to make use of that.

[@pen2009]

I’ve found goblin wolf riders really useful, so fast and effective at dealing with missiles

[@VeniVdVici]

Treekin + archers + a couple waywatchers is extremely strong. Just do not use the AP/Fire glade guard. The friendly fire from them hurts. Waywatchers are fine. The gaps between the treekin help maximize archer damage, but are small enough to prevent smaller charge throughs. They have the mass to stop a charging mammoth. Magic, ap, fire damage is a huge risk though. Be careful if using them as avelorn.

[@alextettenborn269]

Grenade Outriders are lethal against infantry heavy factions, against Greenskins and Beastmen for instance you can clean up with these guys. Forget what you saw in this tutorial though, use them against a missile heavy Elven faction faction and they'll be shot to pieces before they get anywhere near

[@LuzikArbuzik77]

Any units with explosive damage is good now, irondrakes, outriders with grenade launchers, sepulchlar stalkers, vc bombers, even warpfire throwers can do some work.

[@Achillez098]

PRAISE SIGMAR, a fellow player who appreciates Grenade Outriders as much as I do! Side note: I don't know if Witch Elves deserve to be on this list, I've loved those ladies the moment I saw their...stats and abilities of course, hehe

[@DraconiusDragora]

The Bretonnian Peasant Mob may look weak, but I have seen them tear through Tree Kin, Dryads, and other Woodelf units. And they are free as well (As long as you have under the Peasant limit)

[@dankevan5675]

i always place atleast 2 sepulchral stalker on the backline to protect my long range units(which is most powerful part of tomb king), they can beat any cav and they are stealth so they can mess with enemy strategies, i use them every game, are they really under use? Edited: I also use 1~2 witch elve every game because once they touch enemy lord they are dead

[@Mr__Chicken]

Bretonnia have a trebuchet which only costs 650. 1 or 2 volleys and it will melt the HP off anything - highly underrated.

[@jonnyscholes2059]

with the tree kin, I sometimes use 5 units of them and the rest of them archers witch lets the tree kin hold the line while I shoot the crap out of the units that are engaging them, workes well with infantry heavy armys.

[@jonnyscholes2059]

it workes

[@mema0005]

Yeah my Alarielle campaign ended up with 4 Tree Kin along the front, 2 Treemen on either flank, Sisters at the back and Alarielle healing everything. Plenty of battles I didn't lose any units

[@GaldirEonai]

The problem with using treekin in campaign is that if you're playing standard Wood Elves they cost amber and there's far more important things to spend your limited amber on. They're more accessible for Argwylon...but they don't get the ranged firepower to really make use of the treekin's tarpit potential.

[@havocgr1976]

Pretty sure all Greenskin players use skulkers...Those outriders though, OMG!

[@AurioDK]

Grenade outriders are awesome and just two can turn a very difficult battle around by both cheese kiting and doing damage.

[@duanebecker7220]

"Do more damage than your dad's dominatrix", fucking hell Zerk you did it again! Just fiddled my diddle XD

[@sootcoot8712]

nasty skulkers is and have always been a must in my armies. Always a killfest with them. One cheap early unit that doesnt get enough love tho... Wolves... Always have 1-2 units of them. Use them charge down any units that are fleeing, they will quickly wipe that unit down. Theyre bad in combat, but chasing stuff down theres nothing better.

[@kingbaldwiniv5409]

I am known to spam some outrider grenadiers. It always hurts to see your OWN guys consumed by their grenades. . . so I used them.

[@madbones5259]

I use Treekin all the time playing as Alarielle in campaign. They're kind of amazing.