5 Useful Tips & Tricks for STEALTH in Helldivers 2

[@EravinVT]

As with all my videos my favorite comment from the previous video is featured at the end of the next! This was definitely my most complex project to date so I hope you all enjoy it! If you are reading this on the day of the video's release i'm live right here on KZbin right now more then likely!

[@am_akuma]

a quite useful tip when stealth extracting solo is to use your grenades , when you see a patrol getting near you throw your grenade far away from you ( maybe even over the patrol from where they came from ) they'll then investigate the explosion and move away from you giving you time to reposition if needed :)

[@EravinVT]

I recorded this video's audio before that segment started rotating around youtube, otherwise I would of included this so +1 for a good tip here

[@undertaker2766]

It saved me in the past, recommend it

[@PrivilegeYT]

@undertaker2766 100% when I was level 25 I learned this and it's been so helpful since

[@Tacibell]

I do the same thing with stratagems lol

[@geminiarch3972]

*whispering softly* for super earth

[@EravinVT]

SCREAMING LOUDLY, FOR SUPER EARTH!

[@artyom-does-something]

​@@EravinVT The shouting masks the sound of your gunfire 👍

[@mafiarandom7693]

So that "soft alert" status is what's happening to me a lot when playing with my friends then. They would aggro a whole town of automatons, and once they succesfully fled, they would turn back and chase me who was prone clearing the other side in stealth, far from them and behind 4 rocks of cover. Actually good to know and in a sense, validating that I'm playing quite nicely stealth, and it is just the enemies going full on bazinga mode once in a while. I'll sleep less stupid today, thank you !

[@EravinVT]

Glad I could help clear up the confusion as to what’s happening for my fellow stealth enjoyers. Thanks for watching!

[@DarkerSavant]

omg this...I would say wtf they didn't know I was here and now they are all over me....team mates would be like you are wrong you f'd up....but I didn't.

[@Vsolid]

Tip #6: Do not say "Fuck it im going loud" and dive into an outpost with a clusterbomb strat armed like I did.

[@EravinVT]

Ahahaha xD

[@zovcy]

your sacrifice was appreciated

[@EravinVT]

We will talk about you at the water cooler later

[@AceOf_Diamonds_]

What do you mean? this is basically my entire strategy but with a gatling barrage 😭

[@SmokeDrake]

I use 500kg so it's fine right?

[@yeskevz]

A developer said that the soft alert is designed to try to lure the players to fire back mistakingly assuming that they think the enemies know where they are. They also destroy objects in the vicinity for the same purpose. It also tells the players where the enemy believes the players were last seen.

[@yeskevz]

But the mechanics of them knowing where an ally is or having incredible accuracy sometimes sucks

[@EravinVT]

Then they shouldn't be sniping me with these shots that "don't know where I am" from across Draupnir AND moving directly towards the nearest player! lmao Whatever the dev said isn't what is in actuality happening at all. Because the shots they are taking are not even close to random. They have intent to kill.

[@doomsdaylamb]

Yeah ngl getting shot on malevalon creek and then having the kill cam go back to Draupnir after I played it yesterday was a bit awkward

[@josephburchanowski4636]

It is clear what the soft alert is for; but it is currently bugged in the implication. Instead of targeting the last known location vaguely; they do actually know the players location; and the rocket devastators accuracy is pretty insane for shooting blind.

[@josephburchanowski4636]

@@EravinVT How does smoke interact with the soft alert and other alert states? And does the different types of smoke have different effects (grenades vs eagle vs global)?

[@Techigai]

Good that you mentioned the spore spewers not blocking bug sight. I remember reading a comment asking why you would ever destroy those because stealth.

[@EravinVT]

That one made it in during the first round of editing when I realized it would give people the wrong idea haha

[@cixtos]

I really appreciate your guides. Your in game approach to testing resonates better with me than simply rattling off data mined values

[@EravinVT]

Can't trust the data but you can trust The Ministry of Truth! :D

[@edima]

this is some the best and clearest advice ive seen from any helldiver creator. thank you for this

[@EravinVT]

Doin my best! Thanks for Watching!

[@dustybunny6716]

I have had huge trains of bugs chase me while my team did objectives.

[@EravinVT]

You are the MVP on my teams!

[@acatonkush8709]

Oh my god thank you for explaining the soft alert. I literally felt like enemies would just never lose me. I’d go around a huge rock, pop out on the other side like 75m away, and I’d instantly be sprayed.

[@EravinVT]

Yeah I've been meaning to get to this topic for awhile now, glad I finally got to cover it so we could all stop feeling like we were imagining it.

[@venanreviews]

Your level of research into espionage is absolutely wonderful to watch. Keep these videos up, especially when we get our new sniper rifles! The diligence is a testament to an underrated stealth weapon that can fire relatively quietly from afar and both not make noise nearby or at the target's position. Hoping we get more snipers like this with longer range.

[@EravinVT]

hoping for a suppressed rifle soon, will make me very happy, As long as I have information to cover worth your time it'll keep coming out

[@venanreviews]

FR! Supressed weapons are going to be huge. @@EravinVT

[@abrahamtan5766]

If you are able to coordinate with your teammates for extraction, here's a tip Drop all your samples at extraction and only pick them up when boarding There are so much death from trying to pick up samples from bodies.. Similary, drop your samples outside a base before raiding it. Ragdoll physics of dead bodies can make your samples drop at very messed up locations otherwise :DD

[@clyax113]

Super useful! This should be information presented in the game. Even written documents in the game would give us this information as opposed to just making you figure it out. Thank you, Eravin. I may just give stealth a try. Maybe one day I'll be a stealth solo clearing Helldive difficulty. We'll see.

[@Christopher-eq1rn]

Would you be able to do a video on what weapons are more quiet? I know you mentioned energy weapons and sidearms are quieter, but the amr being so loud kinda throws me off so I’m curious about support and primary weapons

[@EravinVT]

This is something I have planned, but i'm waiting for suppressed weaponry to be released to have a more complete topic to work with!

[@Christopher-eq1rn]

@@EravinVT honestly I hope the suppressed weaponry happens sooner than later, would love to have gear specifically for stealth

[@Barghaest]

The jump pack is very useful for stealth extraction. Quite a few extraction sites have large rocks you can jump onto and go prone putting you far enough from most patrols to be undetected. I use this frequently when solo even wearing heavy or medium armor I am able to remain undetected until the pelican arrives and quickly jump to it (usually all patrols wander away before it lands).

[@EravinVT]

There were a few games in my last stream that we only extracted at all thanks to my teammate bringing a jump pack and me grabbing an extra before extraction. I wouldn't personally take it however as someone who brings in no backpack to use after i'm done with my Spear, It's nice to grab a spare Jet Pack off a teammate.

[@Barghaest]

@@EravinVT Jump pack is pretty much my go to. I use it and the flamethrower. I can jump over my fire patches to lure enemies back through it and I primarily use the flamethrower to deal with chargers and jumping over them or up cliffs is more reliable than trying to dive past them.

[@SaintEve1105]

Great information! I wanted to learn more of the subtlety of stealth!

[@EravinVT]

You are in the right place haha, Thanks for watching!

[@vonbyorn9098]

These are the d̶r̶o̶i̶d̶s̶ videos I was looking for.

[@EravinVT]

Good save, that was almost treason

[@stegalin96]

When your extraction timer hits zero but before the pelican lands, everyone leave the 50m radius. The pelican will hover in a holding pattern over the extraction point and continue shooting until the area is clear. Once you get back in 50m it will land. This is not a bug, the pelican has dialog to go along with this state. I don’t think there is a limit to how far you can go out, but I haven’t pushed my luck

[@EravinVT]

This is particularly useful on Automaton Eradicates when you get the map that basically throws you in a pit to die.

[@Yogowafel]

At least I have something inetresting to watch, because since last patch game crashes constantly, apparently whenever someone on the team is using arc weapons (they fixed arc kills not registering in stat screen) and now crap like this happens

[@EravinVT]

Sorry to hear that, hopefully they resolve the new issues from the patch quickly so you can get back into the fight soon!

[@Yogowafel]

@@EravinVT and it also happens in most frustrating way like right before extraction. Thankfully discord is spammed in these reports so maybe they'll notice it soon

[@EravinVT]

Yeah they just announced they are working on some fixes, so hopefully it's resolved soon.

[@Jan_Strzelecki]

I didn't get the "Assassino!" reference at first, but then I did, and I laughed 😁

[@Isaaaaac]

I gotta go back and watch me and hells killing each other while you and zov focus on a clean extract 😂 that dive was hilarious all around.

[@EravinVT]

hahaha there was a better stealth extract example that was to scuffed to use because you two had pvp enabled lmao @Isaaaaac

[@Commander_Appo]

9:38 this part honestly made me laugh. You fully just boxed that bot to death in a way that would logically make SO much noise and… no one notices. I love Hd2.

[@EravinVT]

😂 be even better if they yelled for help to no response

[@SilentSpeak]

Gota say man, you are awesome because you give the most.comprehensive and consistent guides and tips on figurinf out stealth in this game. Which is frazy considerjng i must have over a thousand hours in mgs5 both the single layer main game and the amazing Forward Base invasion and defence pve/semi pvp stealth missions. But this game is drasticly different in everything but a few awesome almost identical animations like the dive and the way you roll around when you aim while laying down, i believe crouch is similar as well as some of the climbing and aiming animations

[@SilentSpeak]

Anyway appreciate your content!🎉

[@nopenope2461]

Another tip when it comes to stealth extractions - you can choose to let the mission timer go to zero to have the shuttle automatically summoned. It will countdown even if your not within 50m which means as long as you get to it before it automatically leaves your in the clear.

[@EravinVT]

Problem is alot of the time when you go into overtime the enemies will bot drop the extract point repeatedly, or begin soft locking late in the timer for no explainable reason. Didn't mention it as it's not a situation you really want to be in.

[@viperzero8]

There is a small exception to the one bug breach/bot drop. Yes one does happen at a time. Unless a player is killed. That sometimes resets the timer.

[@EravinVT]

That’s patrols not drops/breaches

[@Sarge94]

Great video! Speaking of stealth, did you know that it's possible to plant sneaky hellbombs on some automaton objectives like bunkers or detector towers? You can destroy them without shooting a single round

[@EravinVT]

I've done that a few times actually, it depends on if I've got the stratagems to just deal with it otherwise as I value the saved time. If its a jammer with no nearby fabricator to detonate I always sneak into them

[@canis.xo.speedruns]

Hi Sarge

[@Sarge94]

@@canis.xo.speedruns Hi Canis

[@TheRed_wing]

Man the gun play in this game is so good I just wish there was more guns and more mods for them then just the scope and fire rate

[@EravinVT]

With how fast their release schedule is for new warbonds, and them seemingly bringing three new weapons each, won't be long until Helldivers 2 has tons of weapons to choose from.

[@SeaSpartan118]

Another fun tip: shooting the autocannon makes very little noise, instead enemies will investigate the impact area of the shot

[@EravinVT]

This is only true if far from the enemy

[@ShadyBunBun]

Love the new outfit on your model. It's casual but still really cool

[@RillUK]

I love stealth soloing on nightmare. I've completed a few now. lol.

[@EravinVT]

It’s a lot of fun, very different playstyle that I’m glad exists

[@RobAlberto_4]

I want another map like the Creek. Small forest with rock outcrops, low grass with low lying water ways. The Creek was popular as it allowed stealth to be very viable because of the particulars of the map.

[@PIasticBalls]

Have you ever thought of using EAT17s as a bait drop? Their 70 second cd and the ability to lure enemies to the drop site seems quite useful to direct enemy pathing That’s not to mention the EAT17 itself as a cheap and easy AT solution, also lets you snipe some objectives across the map.

[@EravinVT]

No because dropping strategems to lure as I mentioned is pretty unreliable, they don’t always care about them and for automatons especially where I utilize the majority of my tips I have no space for EAT, covered in my load out video 😊👍

[@PIasticBalls]

@@EravinVT I see, everyone has their own ways of playing stealth I guess. EATs are a staple in my loadout whether I go loud or stealth. They don’t work as lure against soft alert or guard enemies, but enemies on patrol can be realiably put into investigative mode by my EAT drop to my experience, which makes them ideal for me to lure patrols away from me. Also great for sniping objectives and buildings, far enough away that you don’t pull aggro.

[@frantostin]

So in my experience with stealth, I am not sure if this is intended or not, but if you stay until the second 0, for the auto shuttle you can just stay outside the area, and no patrols are gonna come close to the extraction point as far as I have experienced. I'm gonna continue experimenting with this anyways and maybe edit this if someone is interested. Probably there is another comment about this too. (I haven't tried it with Terminids) Thanks for the cool video!!!!!

[@EravinVT]

Thanks for watchin!

[@dustybunny6716]

I'm guessing the enemies can see our flashlights, but can they see our laser pointers?

[@EravinVT]

Testing revealed no impact on detection ranges when using a flashlight or lasers, The code found in relation to this feature seems to be inactive. As you can flashlight enemies straight to the eyes from the same safe range as without it.

[@BouncingTribbles]

I can't wait for the Ghost Diver warbond. Silenced weapons are going to be excellent. It's been so much better stealthing around since the bots lost their XRay vision.

[@chandlermccoy1813]

A few questions. Do plants and tall grass conceal you anymore that just being on open flat ground? And secondly, does your movement produce sound? like does standing still, running, or sprinting make you louder and easier to detect? For instance, can I walk up to a bot casually if it facing away from me? Or if I am prone and hiding from a patrol getting close, will trying to crawl away from them make it easier to detect me?

[@EravinVT]

Plants don't conceal you at all movement while sprinting and walking produces sound and will alert enemies within 10 meters regardless of which way their vision cone is facing. Standing Still, moving while crouching & prone produces 0 noise.

[@chandlermccoy1813]

@Eravinttv Wow incredible! You really put the work in man, thanks for the content! So detailed and clear (:

[@waflewarrior23]

came for the stealth tips, subbed for the S.T.A.L.K.E.R reference

[@snakelancerhaven]

I actually got as close as touching a Scout Striders leg from behind in Prone lol its actually insane how close you can get proned behind the enemy without being detected

[@EravinVT]

Yeah enemies cannot detect anything behind them in the crouched and prone positions what so ever, it’s pretty funny

[@GooNSaGe]

I feel so dumb after watching this video, I thought I had it all figured it out. You know Calculus, while I'm still on addition and subtraction.

[@EravinVT]

Thanks for watching! xD

[@TheGreat8220]

This is awesome. Thank you

[@nekomiaou]

Thank for thoses tips ! I was using somes of them without knowing it, as I use scout amor and crouch a lot in automaton territory, using the laser weapon to not reload ever. The lance can destroy an automaton factory without shooting in the vent ? Sound cool, never tried this weapon until now.

[@EravinVT]

Sure can, glad the video was helpful and thanks for watchin

[@bumblewoot]

Awesome info!

[@EravinVT]

glad ya liked it n thanks for watchin!

[@Reoh0z]

I've not heard you comment about climbing. If you're walking/running along far enough to be not noticed but then start to climb (even in so much as taking one step up a rock) you'll hear a rock scuffing sound and every enemy in an area larger than normal detection suddenly becomes interested in your direction.

[@EravinVT]

Never seen it happen, vault right next to enemies and seen no reaction as well so never saw a need to mention it.

[@jeffpadilla9891]

I always thought those Bots were shooting at each other, now I know it is the soft alert.

[@EravinVT]

yeeeup it sucks

[@awesomeguy16196]

An easier way to stealth extract is to use the jump pack and find either one of the big rocks or containers that always spawn around extraction and go prone on top of them to wait out the timer. Works especially well against the bots in high difficulties or when going solo, when you know you`re gonna get overrun anyway.

[@EravinVT]

There are not always high rocks so especially solo that’s betting a stratagem for a small convenience, if a teammate drops an extra just because they like the jump pack sure why not, but not worth bringing just for this.

[@awesomeguy16196]

@@EravinVT In my experience playing solo helldive, i`ve always found a spot to jump on and hide. I find it especially useful when the extraction timer is 4 minutes because of the map modifier, but i understand taking up one whole stratagem slot for slightly easier movement is not everyone`s cup of liber-tea.

[@thomascamp9461]

Dont call me MR. Democracy Officer sir

[@EravinVT]

You are safe "For Now"

[@charlestwoo]

thanks for this, super useful

[@EravinVT]

thanks for watching!

[@RoflcopterPunch]

@Eravinttv, late comment after many patches: noticed that shooting out the lamp lights helped to further deter enemy pursuit. Said tactic was inspired by these videos and used during Operation Swift Disassembly. Would love if you had any field info in any future videos. :)

[@EravinVT]

Never noticed a difference in detection but I also never hang around the lights to see

[@RoflcopterPunch]

@@EravinVT fair, and respect. Usually am covering tracks or prepping extraction; I figured if they are using visual and audio detection, light sources would work like Thief or AC and only help the opposition if left unchecked.

[@Linkario86]

Ah... thank you for the "soft alert" info. So often I wondered: "How do they know!!??"

[@EravinVT]

Yeah its very tilting not knowing what's happening, figured people would appreciate having a name to the issue, and knowing they are not alone in this struggle against Arrowhead's AI

[@Linkario86]

@Eravinttv True putting a name to it helps to address it. Though after todays update, I'm taking a break till it gets better again. Maybe there will also be AI tweaking until I feel like coming back again

[@frankdrawsnear9995]

Im pretty sure the terminals also dont work for stealth cover, was sneaking around and an enemy saw me from below and through the terminal, hadnt interacted with it

[@EravinVT]

Possibly yeah, i've never had a good test subject for that encounter

[@Ygdrad]

Why is smoke not in your stealth loadout or tips? It is amazing.

[@EravinVT]

I was using smoke in I think every clip in this video, I dabble with it but having frags for nests/fabricators is a big benefit, I now run smokes if I run Spear to compensate the loss. I've also spoke on smokes a few times as this is now a 3 part series with 2 commentaries!

[@darkendwarrior]

another status ive seen is what i call "suppressed fire" where they don't know your EXCAT location, but know your in that direction so they send small burst fire and rush at that area. if you move away they might think your still at that location allowing you to get them all clumped up.

[@EravinVT]

That’s what Soft Alert is meant to be, but it only rarely actually works as intended

[@darkendwarrior]

@@EravinVT ah so that what it is. ya its pretty much them probing for your location so they can bum rush you

[@Reoh0z]

Soft-Allerted enemies are definitely using aim-bots.

[@EravinVT]

Yeah pretty much, usually 1 in every 3 shots from their half map volleys hit you dead on each

[@Moonrunner10000]

Very informative 🔥

[@EravinVT]

Glad you liked it, thanks for watchin!

[@TheGWALReview]

Not sure how it affects stealth gameplay but bot factories and bug holes will agro a player as well. Once agro is on a player the factory/nest will then produce units until agro is lost. Not sure if factories and nests can alert other enemies though, but I'm sure the enemies they spawn can spread that agro like fire.

[@EravinVT]

They can yeah, guess I forgot to mention spawners operate just like enemies do except they create them alerted

[@therealewangaming]

devs has stated that Terminids can actually "smell" you, so the vision range is dependent on whether you are prone or crouching/standing. If u're crouching or standing, they will 'smell' you beyond their vision.

[@EravinVT]

Well, Then the devs lied because they work exactly the same as automatons. Same vision range same cone same 10 meter minimum reaction. You can substitute the word hearing for smelling I suppose but even that’s not accurate as they don’t react to you crouching right up behind them at all

[@horrorfan117]

I want to say that this is only true for Stalkers (and possibly Shriekers) as they will track a player upon spawning. No matter where they are on the map.

[@Yogowafel]

Soft alerted enemies definitely seem like unintended thing to be honest. I was trying to stealth extract today and then comes this aggroed hulk that beelined me through entire map or whatever and knew my exact location. But either way game crashed so it didn't matter.

[@EravinVT]

It definitely doesn't look intended at all, and if it is it's not functioning remotely as intended

[@AdmiralTails]

@@EravinVTI suspect it's probably a bugged version of an intended state for after they lose sight of you, supposed to do things like fire at your last known position,

[@BAGELMENSK]

Actually i dont think bot drops auto aggro based on whoever called them. They seem to inherit aggro from other mobs normally, its just that they tend to land near mobs that are aggroed to you.

[@EravinVT]

It can go either way as the enemies dropped off can immediately lose the target, enter soft alert, then hard alert another player nearby

[@NairyHipples-e8b]

What about smoke grenades and smoke strategems? How do they affect visibility for mobs?

[@EravinVT]

Refer to my video entirely about Smokes and what they do :D

[@punish01]

Any tips with stealth against bugs? A lot of objectives require direct confrontation. I often use autocannon for holes, railcannon for endgame extract or quick help for rest of the team which migh be struggling with titan, Eagle airstrike for holes and cluster for extract or quick eradication of swarm. I do not use armor with scout perk, extra grenades are more usefull in my opinion both for holes and extract. Any tips for those? Often I struggle with solo hive destruction (poorly aimed throws, or fog making harder to see and shoot)

[@EravinVT]

Usually Bugs are easier handled with direct confrontation but the tactic of baiting a breach with teammates off objective so you can push without fear of reinforcement is still very valid. I stealth extract out of bugs sometimes and sneak an objective here and there but for the most part I play them much more combatively, Just because shooting bugs is fun/easier then fighting bots straight up, while the way they clump on objectives is very hard to sneak through.

[@punish01]

@@EravinVT gotta try out that "forcing alarm" somewhere far away from obj

[@EravinVT]

It's very handy for objectives that take long periods of time like Civilian Extraction

[@DanCole42]

Do you have any tips for how to contribute to group missions while playing stealth? Should you break off and complete side objectives? Stick with the main group?

[@EravinVT]

Break off and complete the objectives you built for, if your main team wants to get main done you should run a loadout that handles bases well heavy with anti fabricator options and work those. Your team will benefit from the bot drops you bait away from them doing main. If you plan to focus main then push main objectives when your team gets bot dropped to ensure you don't get caught with reinforcements on the objective and run a combative loadout.

[@DanCole42]

@@EravinVT Thank you!!

[@thequestionwhy3827]

I’d love to see the actual stats for weapon noise. sidearms being quiet makes sense but is a burst from the MP louder than a single shot from the semi pistol? id imagine the senator is the loudest sidearm but 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@Xayalan]

Sweet video, question - how do you get those models of the bots and weapons like at 2:55? They look really cool

[@burk_the_merc8126]

The problem I had on the one time I did a stealth mission was that the bots never left the extraction zone.

[@EravinVT]

Sometimes they get stuck and in overtime they won’t leave. If they are stuck normally we usually dump air support as the pelican lands and head in. There’s also the inconsistent method of getting the pelican to hover if you leave the 50meter extraction zone as he comes in, making him open fire on the enemy below until you reenter. During Overtime you can try the above, or otherwise throw smokes/stuns say a prayer and run in. Extraction was always optional after all.

[@stopcensoringmen5044]

Pleasssse, Arrowhead. Fix the stealth and give us the Metal Gear Solid 6 we crave.

[@EravinVT]

Soft Alert gets fixed and we are golden although I have a feeling it’s gonna be a long time

[@dannyf1168]

Cheers :) hopefully we get a sniper and melee in future

[@EravinVT]

I'd love a suppressed Rifle and a combat knife, life would be complete!

[@ShermanistDruid]

They missed a beat when not including melee weapons, we need an off brand chain sword.

[@gobocarter]

Might be bugged but apparently when they keep shooting in the “soft alert” as you call it it’s supposed to be that they lose you but continue to shoot where they last saw you to create suppressing fire (this info is from the devs that they will do that and I have no idea if a bug where they follow you and shoot accurately exists and neither if the devs know or not)

[@EravinVT]

its bugged entirely, It doesn't work the way they intend it at all or only very rarely.

[@gobocarter]

@@EravinVT yeah like I mentioned I didn’t know but I’ll take your word for it, guess I don’t play stealth often enough to see it

[@theevildead96]

I've now have had it happen multiple times (while extracting), that I was hidden behind some kind of object (container or a really big rock) and they would still spot me and randomly shot at that object, as if the it would not be there at all.

[@EravinVT]

Neat

[@allisenergy.5986]

If you use the scout armour to see enemies where you ping, can other players see the enemies around your ping or can only you?

[@EravinVT]

Other allies cannot see the pinged enemies but we communicate what our pings reveal!

[@XenonPrimeSBSV]

What I hate is getting a trickle of enemies constantly beelining for your position, they don't know you're there, they just keep on coming no matter how you reposition. I notice this mostly when trying to do solo stealth on Terminids and a Stalker lair is present.

[@EravinVT]

Stalkers know your position and alert other enemies to it that they pass by so that is likely what you are seeing

[@EurynomeStolas]

Any tips ips for helldive extraction Defense mission? I came up with a plan a long time ago that you would send 1 scout person to extract the civilians. while the others get loud at the edge and have bot dropships coming down. It worked for us before. Well went down to Mantes yesterday dropped on the edge. Had the one go to extract and we started getting the drop ships on us. well after a while the 1 extracting had 4 dropships come down no matter how many ships we had dropping on us.

[@EravinVT]

It’s possible something changed since the last time the bots invaded. I’ll be playing evacs all day after 6pm est today on stream to see what’s up.

[@EurynomeStolas]

@@EravinVT it was terrible. i am thinking might have to have everyone carry orbital lasers. the first person extracting can drop a laser that moght be able to take care of the first few drop ships then have someone else rotate in with another. I think Joel buffed it. We lost 3 in a row I rarely lose helldive missions.

[@sinteleon]

Is soft alert also why enemies part of a group alerted by someone else turns to shoot me?

[@EravinVT]

Yes

[@julbot1]

I've noticed that enemies react differently to Orbital and Eagle stratagems too. Though I might need to test it more. Enemies seem to always notice when I throw an Orbital and run to where I threw it from, but are totally oblivious to Eagle calls from the same distance. It's weird.

[@EravinVT]

While Testing for my Smoke video I experienced enemies reacting to all Red Stratagems about the same way, with relatively instant aggression

[@xCCflierx]

Scopes suck for how far you can actually engage with these weapons. The amr especially

[@SFSR6]

is there an efficient way to force the AI to stop attacking you once you agro them or just run away as far as you can? even with scout armor and being very far from the enemy and taking cover behind an indestructible wall the enemies keep chasing me and it is so frustrating that there doesn't seem to be a reliable way to make them "pacify" them. Do I need to get out of those 30m detection range while running and wearing scout armor? I am a little confused on this

[@EravinVT]

Breaking pursuit isn’t an exact science with how broken their Soft Alert status is currently, my best advice is to continually force what I would refer to as “detection checks” on the enemy, everytime you run through smoke or break LoS it seems to force a check on the enemy on if they can still locate you, but again sometimes they’ll just keep marching directly towards you firing 3 shot volleys due to a broken state in their detection system

[@lordgrey5223]

Awesome video. Does smoke count as an environmental effect for the modifiers or is it calculated differently? I cant seem to find any reliable information on it's effects.

[@EravinVT]

Smoke causes the enemy to instantly lose you when they come in contact with it, or otherwise continue pathing towards it as you pass through it. It’s basically hard cover to them that you can walk through. The effect is not immediate and more effective the more distance you’ve created before passing through the smoke. I cover this in my “Advanced” tips for stealth video 😁

[@lordgrey5223]

@@EravinVT oh cool thank you! I looked through your channel to see if it was maybe in a title. Will check that video out

[@StormEagle5]

I get that moving while standing makes noise, but does sprinting vs jogging vs standing affect distance they spot you? Also, completely anecdotal but I feel that Hunters are better at tracking and spotting you than other bugs. I swear they have sniffed me out despite quietly moving out of their path and remaining stationary and prone.

[@EravinVT]

Hunters just move quicker which gives the impression they are better at it, but their vision is the exact same

[@EravinVT]

You make no noise if you don’t move, you make the same noise sprinting or jogging, and no noise when crouching or prone while moving

[@StormEagle5]

@@EravinVT Yeah, but I meant that do enemies see you from a further distance than hear you if you are moving fast (sprinting) or vaulting/falling

[@EravinVT]

Nope

[@MMock]

the soft alert status you just explained gave me so much ptsd right away, fucking buggy game holy shit, i seen it happen so many times and I just assume "well I guess they just decided I don't get to stealth anymore"

[@EravinVT]

Its a big pain point for me, I'm glad I finally got this video out so we all now can bound over how we are not crazy.

[@Tony89250]

Does the stealth extraction method work for bugs?

[@EravinVT]

It does yes, just more eyes to avoid and they move in a bit quicker

[@scrappyclimber]

Brasch told me to so here I am

[@EravinVT]

Good Soldier right here

[@BeepTalford-nu8mm]

So a solid primary for sneaking around the creek right now is probably scorcher? Quiet with solid utility.

[@EravinVT]

I cover it in my ultimate stealth loadout video, but yes the Scorcher is the best in the business for creek crawling and it’s not close

[@antimeme5545]

the weakness in this strategy is you need teammates that can communicate

[@EravinVT]

For some of it yeah, that’s attainable for anyone though if they try

[@stealthcheck]

Great video!

[@EravinVT]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@oliveguardian7757]

What about those light poles? Do they actually make you more visible to enemies?

[@EravinVT]

No but you do feel cool shooting them out

[@Limit19970]

If they fix the soft alert system, rebalance the CS to be more accurate and not heavy handling, and add the option to add a supressor, I will he very happy.

[@EravinVT]

+1 to all of that

[@jar-jarnotbinks7685]

very good video.

[@EravinVT]

Glad you liked it and thanks for watchin!

[@jar-jarnotbinks7685]

@@EravinVT Yes, this is quality content. You vulgarize quite well a very shadowy and unclear part of the game that require a lot of experience to start noticing. I'm also a proponent of having at least one dude separated from/orbiting the team using stealth to do various missions on the map while the bigger squad run amok, despite the augmented patrol spawn. We've been testing this sort of playstyle for the past two weeks and it's been working very well for us, we casually farm & clean (8) to help our newcomers friends as well as for fun, and are just waiting for real reasons to go in (9). (more contribution for difficulty, a carrot, anything would be nice at this point)

[@tjmatyja2220]

Do you run the SA-04 COMBAT TECHNICIANS?

[@Schlierfy1]

Does the flashlight effect detection?

[@EravinVT]

It does not

[@badjer4328]

Throwing grenades as destractions and using mortars to pull aggro ehile you run away from alerts

[@EravinVT]

The Grenade Distraction is a "bit" over hyped when you can almost always just, move around the patrol instead of forcing them off path by using a grenade. It does work though.

[@strangerinthe4am462]

I'm doing my part

[@EravinVT]

Your planet thanks you soldier

[@tylerhall9412]

Tip # 380 always bring a 380...just in case..from super earth with love...

[@EravinVT]

I do love me a good 380

[@DarkNight118]

Managed Democracy!

[@EravinVT]

For Freedom!

[@RW1LD]

DO video on ENEMY PATHING. Investigating status and longer range shots.

[@EravinVT]

Huh?

[@RW1LD]

@Eravinttv So, I had a friend that was able to "lure" enemies using the auto cannon's end impact explosion without aggroing them to player location. Then also with larger maps mess around with aggroing all the longer range bugs he can see for players off in the distance to have a near bug free run. Instead of pathing, I would say "agro rating" and how they agro on players or choose Also, have you noticed how bugs will just stand and watch players especially when they on a terminal or that manned turret?

[@EravinVT]

Ah you’re talking about using long ranged weapons and grenades to lure patrols, it’s not particularly difficult to just move around said patrols with how restricted their field of view is, but I am getting several questions related to it since a video went pretty popular on the subject, it’s neat but not all that beneficial on average I feel. I might still cover it in one of these just because it does infact work. And yeah I’ve seen patrols get stuck on the terminal before, I usually just give them their personal space and they move along eventually.

[@ramrod1016]

Ive been struggling with taking out objectives and trying to reposition I almost always seem to get caught right away then overrun, not sure what im doing wrong.

[@emperornero1932]

Hiding up high doesn't seem to work just tested it out in the trailblazer outfit and the bots instantly found me i was on a building so it may be different on a tall rock

[@EravinVT]

Their Vision has "some" verticality to it, how high or low it goes I can't say for sure.

[@Omegaman025]

Gracias!

[@EravinVT]

Welcome! Thanks for watching

[@Lucky_q]

Quick question: Can enemies spot you through destructible buildings during extraction or am I just paranoid?

[@EravinVT]

They “can” spot you through destructible cover, Sometimes you luck out though because those destructible buildings are almost never something they want to path towards as it “probably” doesn’t path onto or off the landing pad. Sooo they don’t really look that direction typically 😅 I hide in the destructible scenery in the background of extract every once in awhile but still prefer being 50 out over the anxiety of staying so close to the enemy

[@EthelChamomile]

how does one lose pursuing enemies if found out?

[@EravinVT]

Create distance, swerve behind card cover in the process, use smoke or run through smoke plants if available as well if possible for better results

[@EthelChamomile]

​@@EravinVT i'm getting pretty good at running away from a horde of bugs by turning corners but i can't afford smokes etc since i need the slot for actual combat stratagaems TuT So keep running is the most effective way after all, i just gotta git gud Thanks!

[@EravinVT]

Yep just create distance, it’s easier if your detection range is low due to night/scout armor. Also when it comes to bugs shooting all the fastest bugs chasing you can make losing the rest a lot easier

[@EthelChamomile]

@@EravinVToh yeah i been rocking the light armor for a while now just coz i like the look of it XD

[@EravinVT]

Me too 😁 it reminds me of the ranger set in the first game which was my favorite

[@SilentSpeak]

Can i also say that soft alert is the most annoying and despair enducing thing when you are having a good time stealthing. I hate nohing more when im laying there prone and eatching these bots run oast me like a decent distance away from me while blind firing towards an ally just to stop turn towards my direction and start fadt walking, pretending like the game software hasnt cheated and givdn them my exact location. I amways try to side crawl or back crawl hoping that the game engine will be fair for once and not actually see me since i havent done anythint to give myself away nor moved not attacked nor was evdn close to them plus im wearing scout armour, even further increasing my stealth.... But nope suddenly the bots vision becomes ultra triple 20/20 and they all become snipers and start converging on my previously completly unlnown to them location like they suddenly made a voice chat bot discord channel and are perfectly communicating my pin point position to every hulk ever...even the ones that werent in my game. Suddenly they will leave near by battles with a totally different team just to pop in and piss me off 😢😅 Thats when i get mad and throw a cluster or 500kg or orbital lazer theyr way while throwing orbital smoke behind me. Turn around and book it through the smoke while looking for nearest wall or cliff i can duck behind to my left and right and throwing more smoke grenades behind me while im at it lol.