5 Video Game Kickstarters That Ran Away with your Money! | Dan Ibbertson

[@fawfulmark2]

honorable mention goes to Ant Simulator, who had a creator who sincerely was planning on working on the thing but his asshole partner blew all the backer money at a strip club and ran off.

[@distorteddivine3638]

Shit, really? That's awful!

[@nightcrawlerbec1983]

fawfulmark2 an ant simulator game was made years ago called Sim ant on pc as well as the snes. it was okay

[@chrisbeach423]

nightcrawlerbec1983 the snes one looked horrible lol never tried it

[@BobbyBaudoin]

I'm still waiting for a GoG version. I loved that game on snes.

[@F0r3v3rT0m0rr0w]

he brought a house ... and wasted it in on a tone of other shit ... was fucking disgusting. the creator however was and still is a genuine person whom continues to help people code through online tutoring, (also continues to design games though he has not posted any videos for a long time)

[@lennaertvanmierlo2955]

This kind of stuff would make for some awesome Catfish style TV. Find the ‘devs’ and confront them with their biggest backers.

[@aaronnelson7702]

Dear guy, you won a boat Latter: HI, I'm Chris Hanson, why don't you have a seat....

[@tomboyjessie1352]

I would watch that

[@sgtsnokeem1139]

See Mr. Chris Roberts.

[@captivesojourner]

Great idea! you should start a kick starter to fund this project

[@sgtsnokeem1139]

@@captivesojourner lmfao nice.

[@Erik-vp5bm]

Funny detail, ARK will actually give you a free cosmetic consolation item if you have Stomping Land in your Steam list.

[@somethinghippos]

lol

[@us.er.px7.xp6r.w.7c]

Ark is shit made by a money hungry chinese company that basically stole everyone's money while lying to them, they're no better than this

[@SDeww]

they are basicly the same game arent they, ark is what the stomping grounds wanted to be!.

[@celticogre8360]

Ark also relesed dlc for their early access title

[@diskdem0n]

so thats nice, right?

[@Pan_Z]

I actually feel bad for the 3rd game mentioned here. Disappointing, but it's difficult to progress when a crucial developer dies.

[@Elkaade]

so return the money lo

[@uuu12343]

Legend_Warp Why don't you try returning money that doesn't exist?

[@xboxliveskalybb740]

Pan Z , .. ?

[@Sigismund697]

Lassi Kinnunen actually money or work are not the issue with kaiju combat, it is the backers. A lot of the big backers are hardcore furries who basically drowned development by being huge assholes in terms of design demanding their OCs to be added and of course each one being a bigger unbeatable Sue than the last which made the balancing of the game impossible Seriously when you have to have a big inflated green kangaroo that is not allowed to lose you know you're done

[@Smokie181]

Shitty as it may be...developers are not one of a kind. Hire a new one.

[@RocketeerRaccoon]

Where's Yogventures? That one clearly should have been number 1, it's by far the most infamous for stealing everybody's money.

[@Larry]

There should be a second part up next weekend :)

[@RocketeerRaccoon]

Oh cool, thanks for the heads up Larry. :D

[@ShinMario098]

Be sure to add Beasts Fury to add to part 2.

[@DataDrain02]

Yeah, I remember even Maxamillion, and Egoraptor was part of that game's rewards or whatever. Like, if the game made enough money, a Cyborg Raptor voiced by Ego, and Benny the Dog voiced by Max would have been in the game.... But yeah, the game turned out to be a complete mess.

[@m.3.3.w]

Larry Bundy Jr idk but look up that ks by jake kaufman pls

[@junelangley2800]

I personally wouldn't have included number 3 on this list. As far as I'm concerned, it wasn't their fault. Their developer died! They wanted to continue, spent loads of money on it and want to finish it at some point but can't because a dying developer royaly buggered things up.

[@raymondmesa8258]

That’s a good point you can’t blame them the death of the developer would be hard to dealt with

[@thegamer9302]

id hate to sound cold but part of risk mitigation is planning around the potentinal death of your team member.

[@MaruskaStarshaya]

They've should find another one - not a problem if didn't give him a lump sum before he died (which is insane and sounds like a scam). What kind of businessman will make an excuse because of an employee death/departure/leave ?

[@Songfugel]

@@MaruskaStarshaya Well, you sort of have a point, but in small projects like these the main dev is basically the whole soul of the project and brings in far more than a replacement dev could. Developing games isn't just mechanical programming like web page development, it is more akin to art, where personal talents, vision, skills and personality can play a huge unquantifiable role that can be impossible to replace if the person is in a critical enough role

[@lolrus5555]

Reminds me of the whole deal with Monty Oum and RWBY

[@simmerocky2393]

moral of the story DO YOUR FUCKING RESEARCH BEFORE YOU GIVE SOME RANDOM DUDE ON KICKSTARTED MONEY!!!!

[@leonardcrainie9928]

Simme Rocky moral of the story . Just don't use Kickstarter...

[@archvaldor]

Then you put creativity back in the hands bankers and venture capitalists.

[@simmerocky2393]

Archvaldor's Warcraft Hacks at least they won't spend their money on a guy whit no iq.

[@Fireclaws10]

Moral of the story; it's an investment, be prepared to lose your money.

[@FiremanPC]

and then you give your money to Carmageddon developers who do make the game but never send you your rewards.

[@RandomGamerCory]

i dont understand why anyone would even put money into shit like this is it really worth the gamble

[@NomoregoodnamesD8]

The idea of crowdfunding is that if hundreds of thousands of people chip in only a dollar or two, the risk for each individual is very low. It's still easily exploitable by unscrupulous individuals

[@Ultrox007]

I mean, I kicked a boardgame... (...but only because I already had a video game by the same company, had talked to the company previous, and saw they had a blatant refund policy.) And it's great; granted it was like, 1-2 weeks late in delivery, but that's because of a fun little "We need to investigate these boxes" shananigan.

[@slopesgameroom]

was that Plague inc by any chance? I have backed a couple of board games too and had nothing but success. Although every one delayed!

[@TheSpoonyCroy]

Well I think a fact many people seem to miss is you shouldn't expect anything of the money you tossed in. If you throw it into kickstarter its gone, if something comes from it awesome but I hate the cynicism towards kickstarter. Yes being burnt sucks but there have been many fantastic games that were realised due to crowfunding since they wouldn't be paid for by traditional means like FTL, Divinity, Wasteland 2, etc.There are a few guidelines that probably give you the best results especially for video games which aren't absolutely concrete but give a better chance at success. Yes there will always be assholes around to exploit people but there are always the smaller guys/independents who do need funding for project that are just deemed unlikely to be successful in the modern gaming scene

[@EvilDoresh]

It's the digital version of the snake oil salesman.

[@waaagh3203]

Never back a game with the word "greed" in the title.

[@Larry]

The irony :D

[@lukedaniels7750]

@@Larry It turns out that Jason Appleton apparently does have a conscience after all and after some good luck, began refunding all of the backers. www.mmogames.com/gamenews/greed-monger-refunds-are-going-through/ Who would have thunk it ?

[@ModernOddity728]

@@lukedaniels7750 Never would have expected that!! Thanks for passing on that news. :)

[@williamsmith666]

"$30,000 for a 3D sandbox title." How is that even possible?? "Unity engine." ...oh.

[@sosasees]

Never Support a KickStarter Video Game, that doesn't show actual Game Footage! ...or with Game Footage, where everything looks suspiciously like an Asset flip.

[@vovical]

I'm never gonna support a kickstarter game, supported yogsventure and code hero. Will wait for retail release.

[@OrangeyChocolate]

I was expecting YogVentures to be on this list.

[@chcc12]

RedWolf Productions didn't they give refunds?

[@KatsumiRichards]

No they just gave out keys to other early access games which never went anywhere.

[@IAmAnEvilTaco]

Plus, didn't the guy they outsourced the actual work to basically just take the money and run?

[@KatsumiRichards]

I think there were two guys. One got a job somewhere else and just took his cut. The other guy worked on the game until he ran out of money. Then the largest portion of the money went to the Yogscast for physical benefits that came with the higher pledges which of course were never made.

[@BainesMkII]

Evil Taco, one of the outsourced guy told the opposite story. His story was that the Yogcast crew wanted the remaining money turned over, that they gave it to the Yogcast crew, where it simply vanished. When the outsourced guy asked for a public accounting the money, one of the Yogcast crew refused to give any such accounting. The story didn't get much coverage because so many KZbinrs and games journalists were friends with the Yogcast crew. Some had already earlier decided to stay out of the matter entirely due to conflicts of interest, while others covered the story with an apparent slant in favor of Yogcast (when compared to coverage of other Kickstarter scandals.)

[@nozoto]

Bottom line: don't finance projects which are too ambitious for their own good, mostly if they're executed by people with no solid credential.

[@nozoto]

Unless someone decides to remake Sorcerian in English language, updating the game engine to have the party do more realistic actions; adding up all the scenarii (including the ones from the extensions and the Sega Genesis), tweaking the magic system to keep it as deep but less difficult to understand and leaving room for future scenarii making; I don't think I'd ever consider finance a Kickstarter project. Yah. It has to be that, so far I am concerned.

[@EvilDoresh]

Nostalgia bait triggers me especially. "You liked X? Give us money! We might just do something similar!" "Hey! Remember me? I haven't actually made a game in over a decade, but your money is definitely in good hands!"

[@nozoto]

EvilDoresh The nostalgia bait is particularly deceptive. Unless you're by far the biggest contributor there's no tell that the "might" you want would turn into a "must"... If the project's executor is indeed a serious programmer in search of great ideas to establish a durable reputation. Crooks always say what you wanna hear, as long as you cough the shekels up. I am also vulnerable to the nostalgia appeal. But unless there's the Pentawa menu with a scenario fully developed and showcased, I wouldn't donate for a Sorcerian game... It's a basic precaution to gauge motivation before taking a move.

[@EvilDoresh]

***** If a nostalgia-infused project soundsn too good to be true, it probably is.

[@EvilDoresh]

Frizzurd People thought Capcom threw him out because Capcom is eeeevil. Turns out they threw him out because he kinda sucks. (It was also a bit suspicious how many other crowdfunding projects he was tackling while Mighty No. 9 kept getting delayed and shit. It's like he tried to get as many cash as possible before people found out the truth.)

[@luizenidog5016]

That is freaking messed up and here i am trying to get a board game off the ground with my own cash . This totally gives Kickstarter a bad name .

[@jacobkiley6169]

Have you had any luck, if the games on kickstarter I'd like to check it out!

[@jonathanjensen189]

Is it a free-roaming boardgame that teaches you how to make giant, extinct monsters?

[@abstractfactory8068]

Well the problem of most of these dudes is that they lack the skills to develop the game and have to hire developers which are expensive.

[@iamaunicorn1232]

So what did we learn today? Don't back game kickstarters by people named Alex. XD

[@billwilson8267]

Kaleigh Anderson keemstar

[@Devilot109]

Fun fact: Overfunding actually makes it less likely a Kickstarter will deliver on time. Not sure how it does on chance of failing to deliver, but the more overfunded the later the project tends to be. I'm... not entirely sure why this is, but a study of Kickstarter found this.

[@Larry]

It might be a case of seeing all this extra money come in and overreaching their ambitions. That or some idiot blows the money on themselves.

[@MmeCShadow]

It's absolutely this. Usually people have certain expectations with the money they're putting in, and if they have experience they'll know what they're actually capable of with that money (more often you get people way overestimating what they can do with the money they get, but that's a different problem). Getting more money means "What can we do with this?", sometimes as a question to justify to backers how much more money they got (if a game was advertised as taking 250k and gets 2.5 million, people will be *pissed* if they receive a game that looks like the original 250k pitch). Of course, I can't remember the last time a high-profile game *in general* was shipped at the originally anticipated release date-- delays are basically a part of the process (and there's nothing necessarily wrong with that). The difference for Kickstarter is whether you're communicating with your backers -- that is, *your investors* -- why you need more time or why things aren't shaping up the way you thought they would. I mean there are still people who scam the system and run off with the money and just never deliver, but more often than not it's a case of over-estimating your capabilities and draining a lot of funds you didn't initially expect to drain. (Related, of course, is the fact that extra funds come because of stretch goals so even if there's no problem with allocating funds. So even if you're right on schedule the whole way through, you're adding more content because of these stretch goals (much of which were pie-in-the-sky hopes so there's little actual preproduction development put into them, since that's a waste of resources), so a delay to implement these new promised features is almost inevitable, and they can introduce complications to the line that delay other aspects, and so on, so on.)

[@joseaca]

if i had to guess, i imagine feature creep slips in and makes development harder and harder, the best approach is probably to deliver the base product first and add all the other extras in free updates, like shovel knight is doing

[@andrewshapiro9865]

Nezumi-chan it's because devs feel like they have to make the game really good

[@metazoxan2]

Exactly. Take might No.9. Over all it was not a TERRIBLE game. I'd say it's a game roughly worth the original funding pitch. But it blasted it's original goal several fold and people expected a damn master piece. While development did have issues and it absolutely could have been better than it turned out a lot of people treated the whole thing as far worse than it was simply because of how over funded it got and to them that meant an obligation to be more than it first promised.

[@sauce242]

Tbh if you have enough money to blow that you spend over $10,000 on an Online Card game that doesn't even exist then I assume it wouldn't be too much of a loss

[@tomtalk24]

Its called gambling

[@---sf9qs]

@@tomtalk24 he'd have better chances going to vegas and gambling that $10k

[@tomtalk24]

@@---sf9qs Then its a pretty shit bet lol

[@wmurray003]

You'd be surprised.

[@LorenHelgeson]

I've been meaning to get into game design myself for a few years now. Videos like this always remind me of that oh-so-important fact that if you're going to be a game developer, and expect people to pay ANYTHING for your product, you have to be able to make a game in the first place. It sounds stupid, I know, but half of these are so close to constituting as fraud. I mean, an environment artist passing away? That's sad and most unfortunate, but a valid reason to halt production. Now, a company trying to sell you on their making of a brand new MMO? A company with ZERO experience in game design? That's just criminal.

[@Macho_Fantastico]

And this is why I have never and will never back a Kickstarter.

[@Larry]

I have to say the whole element of trust is what nixes it for me too. There needs to be some contingency where you recieve therights to the game if it fails. as it's essentially throwing money into a hole and hoping something happens at the moment.

[@knifeyonline]

why would you back a game on kickstarter.... that's the whole purpose of early access on steam. no?

[@zacht9447]

Same, I would never spend more than 5 bucks it must make you feel like an idiot to spend 100+ on nothing

[@knifeyonline]

***** putting a $ limit on early access is dumb, you pay for what you think it's worth. I got a hundred or more hours out of my $20-$30 I payed for ark survival evolved. Gosh I payed $20 for The Forest or something like that.

[@zacht9447]

Joseph Stott did the comment i replied to say early access no it was talking about kickstarter where you don't get an early copy for backing

[@antwan1357]

A lot of these numbers are really low . These guys must be living off of coffee and donuts while living in a tent with a laptop.

[@storymaster21]

ok, but which of the four is the wife, girlfriend, lover, and home?

[@dominicmanester8125]

People were surprised that a game called "Greed Monger" ended up being a scam? Really? Come on now, that's even more obvious than a van with "Free Candy" written on the side.

[@ZacHawkins42]

Dominic Manester How about a van that says "discount candy" on the side?

[@skippymcflippynipsoldchann9983]

I see a flaw in the comparison, you're kinda saying a van that says free candy actually does have candy which is unlikely to be true.

[@Eryniell]

that's the point :D

[@sambradley9091]

+Basho It's... a reference to how people in random vans use the allure of candy to kidnap kids. Of course the damn van has no candy.

[@theSixPathsOfTrains]

if you spend money on kick-starter arnt yous supposed to be entitles that money back? or is this just the way it used to be. because of some kick-starter updates say people will

[@Leroyteam]

An exactly 20 minute video for a top 5 topic. Did the steam sale hit your wallet that hard?

[@Leroyteam]

Im an ass btw.

[@skippy17741]

The Trust no adds though 😃

[@charleswatson2088]

The Trust ho only gets more mony if he puts more ads dumbass

[@Leroyteam]

+Sandwich McNugget *triggerd*

[@charleswatson2088]

The Trust no, just sick of dumbasses.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

The most interesting part of Kaiju Combat was that a furry donated a huge amount of money and pressured the devs to cave to his demands or else he'd withdraw his pledge.

[@legojay14]

Wait fucking what

[@Thiollier_1]

*withdraw

[@gurvmlk]

Interesting, but why is the person being a furry relevant?

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

@@gurvmlk Yeah how come a major backer being a person belonging to a community where those with a lot of disposable income commission a ton of art is relevant to a kickstarter failure? Especially one where a backer was using their pledge as leverage to demand things from the devs?

[@gurvmlk]

@@ChucksSEADnDEAD Far as I'm concerned, pledging on Kickstarter is for those with money to spare regardless of the community they come from, and anybody can be a self-righteous, demanding jackass regardless of that as well. I'm really not seeing the correlation between the backer being a furry, and him making outrageous demands.

[@minilabyrinth]

why are all these kickstarter videos freaking 3 frames per second

[@slopesgameroom]

that very last clip was actually taken from a stream of the game

[@drownsinkoolaid4203]

peregrine Generally with early alphas and even betas then not much optimization has been done as they mainly work to get the content going before getting it to run smooth. Most game devs don't show footage that early because obviously, it doesn't look too appealing :P so many of these indie devs though have literally nothing else to show

[@Jake_Eyes]

0:56 that's about 48 dollars per person.

[@jynt1977]

Wow A Minecraft King Is Here

[@thesketchhog]

"Yes, I Did The Math."

[@Cool_Kid95]

@@jynt1977 you get it! I forgot about him!

[@wyvern4588]

Who has $5000 or even $500 to piss away on a game that may or may not ever be finished?

[@scarletnight4554]

Wyvern rich people

[@tomtalk24]

Its called gambling...

[@theseusjkaar704]

Many many Star Citizen funders. Crossing my fingers XD

[@geekadventureteam4957]

Ain't gonna lie, I'm a SC concierge. I didn't back during the kickstarter days though. I waited until I felt like it was not going to be a scam. But yeah like you said, finger's crossed. :p

[@likeorasgod]

Theseus J'Kaar I got about 350 in that one. I have backed a few other kickstarters or EA games and most turned out ok others got my 20 bucks worth out of them any way.

[@metaknightmarex2638]

I mean if they go bankrupt they don’t really “run away” with your money. The money runs away from them

[@shadowwolf1762]

No that means they don't know how to handle the financing and time.

[@kitsunesden8085]

They say "bankruptcy", they meant "scamming ppl, hiding the cash and pretend got bankrupt"

[@dirpyturtle69]

Kitsune's Den that’s not how bankruptcies work

[@imluvinyourmum]

@@dirpyturtle69 The only consequence of bankruptcy is your credit rating and reputation, these people are life-long scammers with multiple maxed out credit cards/collectors and 0 reputation... They aren't hurt in the slightest, on to the next scam and next batch of rabbits. It's similar to a thief, no adult steals once, they have been stealing their whole life.

[@joshnickerson83]

For the first minute or so, I thought "Man, Guru Larry sounds different today for some reason..."

[@1247theGreatest]

this is why Kickstarter is a joke

[@vman339]

There's not much to add to this comment because it really is the absolute truth. I've seen at least one guy hyping up a mech game, took a thousand bucks and moved to China. Kickstarter is, for all intents and purposes, throwing money at the wind and hoping it comes back in a good way.

[@charleswatson2088]

1247theGreatest no, jokes require skill.

[@1247theGreatest]

Sandwich McNugget oh shit, you're right

[@charleswatson2088]

***** name 25.

[@carlost856]

Sandwich McNugget are you dense? The only games I've backed, double fine, Wasteland 2 and Grim Dawn were perfectly satisfactory and I still believe that without Kickstarter those kind of games would never have been funded at the time. If you pledge someone with no industry experience who claims they can make a game for a ludicrously small budget, then it's on you if that doesn't happen.

[@psychkick666]

Star citizen too, scammed so much money and it is still not out yet. It is so profitable now they will delay it as much as possible.

[@ironman98]

Well unless the guy who made this video is a complete idiot and stupid, which I don't think he is at least from all of the research he did on those games, he would have included Star Citizen on this list in his video. But he didn't. So that's says something.

[@ollierkul]

Star Citizen is at least playable as some state, and gives visable development updates. Wouldnt put that in the same category as these games...

[@ironman98]

@@ollierkul Ah we meet again I see. As you can see, I am the Clorox bleach of Star Citizen videos. (People who bother to read KZbin comments and KZbin replies will know what I'm talking about lol) And yes it's true, while most of these games are dead, Star Citizen is certainly 100% playable in it's current state. I would not have said this prior to the 3.3.0 patch that they came out with in September of last year. Before then I would have said unplayable due to the fact that frame rates were absolutely horrible. But in any case. Star Citizen is definitely playable and definitely exists. Although there are many views on Star Citizen which I won't get into here in this reply. But I would most certainly not put it in the same category as these obvious failures.

[@batman_2004]

FUCK STAR CITIZEN. They are scammers nothing else.

[@MKhelobUltra]

The failed game kickstarter I remember the most, that isn't the infamous Yogventures, Homestuck game, or some of the ones mentioned on this list is Clang, a very robust and in-depth swordfighting game that eventually just ran out of money, and which playable prototype ended up not even being very fun at all.

[@HalfLifeOfHumanity]

And here's to the backer who pledged his life's final endeavor to create the game. Rest in peace.

[@Pinkanator]

*sigh* I'm so sad Colossal Kaiju Combat died. Hell, characters that were planned included RED and Soloman from the Godzilla NES creepypasta, and MECHA-BAZ

[@EvilDoresh]

Should've put Sonic.exe in there.

[@MechanicOrga]

I doubt SEGA would let that happen. Additionally he'd need to be resized. :P

[@EvilDoresh]

MechanicOrga Then the next best thing: Sonichu. I'm sure he can zap himself bigger if he wants to.

[@MechanicOrga]

With helium and scat.

[@EvilDoresh]

MechanicOrga A real shit balloon!

[@uuu12343]

Who the flying hell would back MMOs? Mmo are always network based, server based, that's the very definition A mmo requires a server to function, the data is also stored in the server When your game developer shuts down the server, what do You get? Yea you lose all your data, the entire game and all the money you spent on it and in it And that is why I never ever whale and spend in a MMO

[@craftergamer9058]

Agreed.

[@noisekeeper]

Ah Kaiju Combat. I mostly know about this because of The Two Best Friends LPers, particularly Matt, who tried to hype this kickstarter and get their character The Baz into the game. This wasn't the first kickstarter game they tried to build hype over (Mighty No 9 being the most infamously depressing) but it shows how blind hype can be rather detrimental. And that doesn't even get into the rumors/issue of Kaiju Kombat being 'taken over' by the furries with controversial monsters like Duncan or Macrosaurus (who is shown in the video).

[@MrJans3n]

I remember it from a bunch of annoying copypasta comments trying to hype up the game. At that point, there were promises of it having official characters like Godzilla in it as well, though that may have been before they went to Kickstarter.

[@Ultrox007]

One of my firends showed it to me; I considered backing it, then chose "nah" Same with Human Resource until I saw it was by Uber-Entertainment (you know, that company that releases the same unfinished game 2-3 times before moving on to their next project, never fixing any bugs or glitches? Yeah them.)

[@billwilson8267]

I don't know about it pandering to furries. I know next to literally nothing about this game but just because there's a green kangaroo-coyote thing I don't consider that dreadfully bad. Does Macrosourus have the ability to inflate himself/others?

[@LadyFranch]

Plantetary Annhilation wasn't THAT bad. At least they were cool enough to give out the expansion free to backers, but honestly the fact that they abandoned SMNC really killed my respect for uber.

[@Ultrox007]

The Best Green Lantern _"Plantetary Annhilation wasn't THAT bad."_ Hold on, let me go build the planet cracker... Oh wait, one of the resource nodes spawned in the same spot as a cannon hardpoint, guess this planet is a waste now. Question though: Ever play Supreme Commander? (the first one)

[@vandercudo]

Where's Larry? I'm starting to miss him, hopefully he's not sick anymore?

[@Larry]

I'll be in the next Fact Hunt episode up soon dude :)

[@vandercudo]

Damn u're fast, i'm really wondering how you saw comment so fast?

[@akxmedia0]

Larry is clearly a ninja.

[@GatorMilk]

Larry Bundy Jr I'm still not unsubbed, buddy! :D

[@solar464]

seriously larry, its just wrong to watch a video on this channel without hearing that iconic "hello you". it feels incomplete.

[@stew360]

100k 500k $ is nothing in videogame industry you cannot produce a game with such little money unless its a very badic game you can do alone with no team and no expense

[@KnakuanaRka]

That’s way too sweeping a statement, and there are some great indie games out there made on a fraction of that, but yeah, game making can be a lot more expensive than people think.

[@MemeinAndDreamin]

Hey Dan, you might want to make an entire video on Kaiju Combat. There's a lot more that happened behind the scenes and within the community that caused it to fail. A lot of the problems were caused by the "wonderful" furry community, and a giant green kangaroo named Duncan. Look into it, because it is bizarre.

[@MrBaris115]

Trevor Isaacs im.... interested can you tell a bit more

[@GatorMilk]

Trevor Isaacs This sounds like a story, alright. Goddamn Furries.

[@keiryuujin]

Honestly, the 'furry' part was not the downfall. Granted there was drama within the community, part of it derived from the Furry side, but that was not a big portion of the reason the community fell apart. Also, the issue was that the environmental artist's death was not a primary reason. His involvement in the game was not mentioned until May 2016 and he passed away 3 years earlier. His passing was mentioned on the Forums, but his involvement and the impact that he would have on the game's development was never mentioned.

[@BubsDood]

Duncan is a prime example of why you should never let backers entirely dictate how your game is made. Not only did some weird furry want his fetish character in a setting where he completely clashes with the other designs, he actually got another character that received mostly positive feedback (Shadow of Red) just because Red's gimmick was to copy moves, and Duncan's creator wanted his abilities to be UNIQUE and SPECIAL and ONLY USABLE BY HIM

[@MemeinAndDreamin]

BubsDood Not only that, but Red had a move that created evil clone versions of the monsters he fought. Creator had a heart attack and said Duncan can not be depicted as being evil no matter what. Another fetish-fueled monster he got in was Macrosaurus, which is a character belonging to a friend of his. And this poor guy really didn't want him in the game but Duncan paid ahelluva lotta money to make it happen.

[@tbb033]

there's a kickstarter backer born every minute

[@JAS0N_M00RE]

tbb033 and a Scammer to take thier money

[@df71091]

If the backers could make profit too

[@exilestudios9546]

lets be honest the biggest scam was yogventures

[@tuffy135ify]

Exile Studios what actually happened? last I heard they gave the project and money to someone that just fuck ed off.

[@exilestudios9546]

Tuffy Logan well thats they story the tell but not to long after the incident the yogscast were able to upgrade almost all the tech at yougtowers somthing that they kept complaining that they didnt have the money for

[@tuffy135ify]

Were they not making more money from increased sponsored videos and twitch donations?

[@exilestudios9546]

Tuffy Logan not as much at the time

[@zaleshomeowner3493]

as far as i know that was just a failed project, not a scammed one. there is a difference in the two.

[@carlhicksjr8401]

Star Citizen. It's one reason why I don't back many KS projects.

[@batman_2004]

Same.

[@Mentski]

90s Arcade Racer - Estimated delivery: December 2013. Last update on Kickstarter: November 2015. Backers have started PMing the dev asking for refunds, with varying success, he rarely responds. Last year, he released a totally different game to Steam Early Access. He made a deal with Nicalis early on to release the game and the last thing we've heard of it was a tweet from Nicalis months ago saying it's coming out on PS4/XBOne too, now. But still no tangible product for backers to play. Dev says it's in "Nicalis' hands", but I've heard on the grapevine that Nicalis say the dev is taking his sweet time finishing it. All I know is I paid 80 quid to see that game become a thing, and I've given up caring.

[@Ashura96]

Mentski this one pains me the most :/

[@smbmadman1]

THAT game fell under this crap? What the hell...

[@slopesgameroom]

That sucks, really wanted this one

[@Rezplz]

Mentski I just want Tyrone to finish Afterbirth+

[@ubermatoa8753]

Mentski

[@rodmunch69]

The update for Greed Monger cracks me up, the guy is issues refunds to some people, but then talking about how he'll be able to issue refunds for everyone once bitcoin goes back up to $20k. LOL! Give the guy credit for keeping the hustle going.

[@Temujin18S]

Rod Munch LMAO

[@likeorasgod]

I’m waiting for bitcoin to just bomb and every loose all their money

[@Bhaalian]

He’s full of shyt building himself a nice new house and new car and lining his own pockets as usual

[@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527]

I guess the name fits.

[@vincentweatherall8532]

@@likeorasgod This comment aged badly...

[@jeremysmith3701]

Every one of these seem to fall into the same trap, people dramatically underestimate how much it costs to make a game.

[@rkraiem100]

you would think these companies would at least release the assets for the community to finish the game for them....

[@EvilDoresh]

F*ck, that should be mandatory. Go full release or go open source.

[@offcenterprofilepicture6274]

better known as the tf2 team.

[@saintmaster22]

EvilDoresh making that mandatory would enable them to fuck people over even more. there should be some sort of penalty for failing to deliver people on what was promissed

[@EvilDoresh]

saintmaster22 As the wise creator of Mega Man once said: It's better than nothing.

[@leon4000]

I thought that mistranslations on that line was settled already. I talked like heck with some friends who knew Japanese.

[@IntermezzoR]

I actually backed The Stomping Land. It looked so great at the time and an open world game where you could hunt and ride on dinosaurs sounded so awesome. Then alpha came out and when I joined my first server I got jumped by 2 guys who knocked me down and tied me up. All I could do was watch how they dragged me around and how I pretty much became their slave. Yeah not a great start...

[@KetwunsGamingPad]

Here is what I think should happen with Kickstarter: They should NOT ever be allowed until they get APPROVAL for their business pitches by a communal forum. How does that work? Well, they have to explain and back up based on merit and history how they conducted business, get REAL referrals that they are trustworthy, and have someone MONITOR the project so that it does NOT falter or rob backers. IF it does fall through, it should ALWAYS be refunded. Bang, full stop. No conditions. And for god's sakes, work out your freaking BUDGET better. Where's the common sense in actually doing a PROPER financial plan? Why can't some of them actually consult to ensure things will go according to plan instead of this crap where they can't even maintain the funds? It's just ridiculous.

[@AstrobotJones]

Ketorulz Right, because Steam Greenlight has never resulted in crappy games.

[@KetwunsGamingPad]

PenguinJockey better than nothing. I mean we have to assess both the project and the people but they should also be held accountable and be referred by impartial individuals so that we know we are dealing with transparent and honest people, not greedy runaways

[@Horus4302]

I agree with you. I think it's mainly Kickstarter's fault for those practices. As long as they let any dumbass on their platform without asking for a business plan or any other credentials there will of course be hundreds of con artist looking for a quick buck. And yes, if they are not able to release their product they should refund every single cent. On the other hand there are just too many idiots throwing their money out of the window for a couple of cool illustrations from some people who have never made a video game before...

[@gandaruvu]

no. what people need to realise is that Kickstarter is place for investment, not to get all your dreams come true. And just like any investment in real life, some investment succeded, some failed, and some are just scams. It's up to you, the investors, to be smart enough to understand the risk of your investment.

[@GiordanDiodato]

It's not always due to not managing your money. Sometimes it's unexpected things.

[@marcwilliamson4950]

with 11 years in Dev and 30 games to my name I always shake my head at these kickstarters, almost all of them are started by amatures with no experience with tiny budgets. don't invest is a kickstarter unless the team has a track record.

[@Larry]

It seems to be the kickstarters that make many times their original asking price that screw up the most too. Any thoughts on why that happens?

[@marcwilliamson4950]

Many thoughts but I'm sure it's for lots of different reasons.

[@Larry]

Marc Williamson Nice, BTW can you drop me a PM sometime, love to have a chat with you sometime :D

[@lauri1021]

name some of those 30 game will ya?

[@marcwilliamson4950]

Lauri I'm not sure I need to but if you LinkedIn my name I'm sure you will find me and see some of the clients I've worked for.

[@zartig09]

Thought this would be another video I watch a minute or 2 of and it’s just annoying, clickbait content but really enjoyed this. Stayed the full 20 minutes, which went by fast, and didn’t even think I cared about the topic.

[@Codycamper92]

Oh holy crap that was 20 minutes. Didn't even realize

[@Davion197]

Damn, almost $50 from each person if we're going by the 700k/14k or so ratio? Ridiculous. Who throws money at unfinished products and promises like that?

[@OmarAlikaj]

To be fair, there have been better projects out of Kickstarter. To me, Shantae's one of them.

[@uncannyx]

Shenmue 3 will probably be another

[@Dolnor]

Two that I "donated" $$$ towards that disappeared. "The Mandate" and "Super Roman Conquest"...both have disappeared. Before the "crowd funding" aspect hit the internet, I helped test 10 games that never were released and the teams just dissolved...so failed "crowd funded games" disappearing is just normal for indie game companies. TQQdles™

[@lazydaze3134]

Atleast you got to play games that most never will. Hope they were fun lol.

[@bladeexe]

Its shit like this is the reason why there are people that don't trust kickstarter.

[@TheRadPlayer]

I have to admit, stuff like this is why I never support any crowdfunding drive. I kinda like being guaranteed a product.

[@EvilDoresh]

I could imagine myself doing that, but it'd have to be by guys I 100% know will actually deliver. I might just help fund whatever Kevin Crawford has planning next. Dude cranks out creative and interesting spins on the oldschool D&D formular like a friggin' machine.

[@TheRadPlayer]

EvilDoresh In such a case, I'd rather have other people take the risk, and then buy it when/if the project is succesful.

[@EvilDoresh]

TheRadPlayer Someone should kickstart a program that scans Kickstarter project pages and calculates the odds of the project actually happening.

[@EvilDoresh]

***** Aka buy at release or ignore it XD

[@nightmare2.02]

But there wouldn't be any shovel night campaigns.

[@TheAngrySaxon1]

How do these people avoid being tracked down and 'educated' by angry backers?

[@leob4403]

Because the backers are mostly weak nerds that are used to getting fucked over probably

[@bunni2583]

"Yes, I did the math." I mean... all you really had to do was put 10 numbers into a calculator.

[@EdxSarxNatxChoc]

It's still math.

[@adamhawks3460]

Putting a game on Kickstarter is like a sales pitch, since you ARE asking for people’s money, so you really can’t mess it up.

[@rebekahsmith326]

I would NEVER give money to Kick Starter and you know why? Because I'm broke...

[@nickmanzo8459]

Rebekah Smith lol

[@elModo7]

10:07 All the money was spent fixing his face =/

[@hiphopanonymous9859]

that man saved 74 people in a plane hijacking, dont you DARE make fun of his appearance...

[@virtuallifetime4289]

What the heck man!? Really? Or is this just your fiction? Is there any proof?

[@virtuallifetime4289]

So, searched the internet. There`s nothing about a plane hijack. It`s nice to hear that you want to support this guy, but please don`t lie to us Have a great day, bro

[@muq1049]

Hip Hop Anonymous no he didn't get your facts straight dumbass

[@rb6forlife286]

Hip Hop Anonymous look it up..... he didn’t

[@alphabulblax1649]

I'm one of the few members who's still on the Sunstone Games Forums. It's basically become a giant shitpost.

[@MrSuperman609]

Alpha Bulblax how

[@dededesgustingtkemylife4825]

yes

[@Tom5TomEntertainment]

I'm making a JRPG called GiveMeAllYourMoney Fantasy (it's Japanese)

[@Landfall364]

Ah, I know that one. I think the alternate title is Project Phoenix.

[@EvilDoresh]

Penultimate Nostalgia

[@Wintericecrystal]

Too late. It's called Final Fantasy XV.

[@Tom5TomEntertainment]

Wintericecrystal I'd dare to say it's called Final Fantasy 2-15

[@EvilDoresh]

Frizzurd This would make Hotline Miami look perfectly sane, so I hope they'll do that.

[@Randallsilver]

The worst part is that Kickstarter does literally nothing to stop scammers like these. You get a copy/paste mail in which they explain they "contacted the developer about this" and that's it. They just sit in the couch and take money...

[@phoenixsplash135]

is $700,000 for 5 games supposed to sound like alot? Because thats fuck all for even 1 game in budget terms.

[@mr.fettesq.7705]

phoenixsplash135 good for you. feel better now..? prat.

[@phoenixsplash135]

Mr. Fett Esq. How does my statement have anything to do with me? If you think $700,000 is a large budget for a video game, you know next to nothing about the industry. Prat.

[@camerongodsey9847]

It's not meant to sound like a lot in game development terms. It's meant to sound like a fuckload when you realize it was all given by gullible individuals, not publishers.

[@mattc16]

phoenixsplash135 a bit late but you are talking large AAA developer budgets. This is about unknown people taking advantage of your everyday person. The way your saying it is like saying Brad Pitt just lost $700,000 to a scammer. Anybody who saw that wouldn't think much of it because he has so much money in the first place. However, if you lived in a neighborhood that charged a certain fee that totalled to $700,000 to build a rec center and pool for that neighborhood (maybe a neighborhood that you lived in) and someone ran away with that money, you would feel a bit different wouldn't you?

[@GiordanDiodato]

700,000 is nothing for a game that's gonna be on multiple systems with varying degrees of power.

[@TraolachMC]

Your telling me that on average the person who wanted to sponsor XEKO laid down around 250$? Huh that's some wealthy "family" there 2legit5me

[@bobdeinterlace]

The big problem with Kickstarter is people think it's the same thing as pre-ordering a game but it's not like that at all and it's Kickstarter's fault for not making that clear enough. They don't really owe you anything when you give them your money even if they promise to deliver a game. Even the biggest names in the video game industry have made failed kickstarters so if your money just disappears into thin air you just have to accept it and move on, on the other hand you might get a great game if you're lucky.

[@BeardFaceSuper]

I've never used Kickstarter. I personally don't want to pay for a product before it's finished, even if it's something that looks amazing. Does Kickstarter not sue to get that money back and give it back to the contributes? So those people are just shit out of luck?.. That's exactly why I would never pay for a product that doesn't exist yet.

[@12thArchknight]

but your not buying a product you're investing in a product and investing has risks that being you never see what you invested in come to fruition

[@BeardFaceSuper]

12th Cublord On Kickstarter you don't gain anything other than the product you paid for, at often a higher price than you would get retail/online. If it succeeds you get what you paid for. If it fails you get nothing and just lost money. Kickstarter is basically pre-ordering products, except you can't get your money back if they don't deliver. With a real investment, like investing in a start up company, you could fail yes and lose all the money. If it's successful you gain back your money and more. Those aren't the same things.

[@fbritannia]

I agree with you, but my personal dilema is that without kickstarter we wouldn't have Pillars of Eternity for example.

[@Waveburd]

David Butt the thing is you are helping for a product to become a reality. it's not guaranteed to succeed but that's just how founding something works. most of the Times the money is not even kept by the person but used on an attempt to work the product

[@pippi2285]

David Butt what if its half made?

[@mamemeister]

And this video is why I run a mile from Kickstarter schemes.

[@12thArchknight]

did you know shovel knight was a game that came to be due to kickstarter? as did divinity original sin

[@MegamanXfan21xx]

Shovel Knight and Divinity are rare exceptions. Generally, it's safe to assume kickstarter games will fail, so it's actually a surprise when they do get released. And super surprising when they're actually good.

[@12thArchknight]

MegamanXfan21xx exceptions maybe but it doesnt change the fact that if nobody decided to put money towards these games and if kickstarter never existed it is pretty safe to assume that these games wouldnt exist either

[@StarlightPrism]

Definitely sleazy, but I don't understand how backers would think that a $30,000 goal for an MMO would work. I know very little about game development but even I know that MMOs are incredibly inexpensive. Generally I make it a point to only back Kickstarters that I trust, and even then, I only give enough to get a copy of the game or whatever. (usually it's like, $15) I don't make enough money to really gamble.

[@AmberKrenn]

People fund video games due to emotional reasons. Logic doesn't play a big part in it usually. Hell I've backed a couple (not 10k haha) but its more like "well its better than lotto" but certainly not for business acumen. That being said, your common sense is sound :D

[@GoIdenbaum]

Gee, I wonder if Peter Molyneux is going to be in this video...

[@kayrosis5523]

LordLukste anyone who funds a Peter Molyneux game these days is doing so in full knowledge that it will be a flaccid disappointment, if it comes out at all

[@dinkmartini3236]

Lesson to be learned: Mob rule works about as good for video game production as it does for politics.

[@trceb]

So how many of these do you think came from failed good intentions and how many were just people milking it?

[@Assimandeli]

Tar and feathers need to come back. Tar and feathers, my friends.

[@TwoGunToast]

anyone that had a Kickstarter and literally just took the money from people without releasing any sort of product should be held liable for fraud.

[@scantron6111]

Anything that has the words “...with a purpose” associated with it is usually garbage.

[@Ang3lUki]

No Homestuck adventure game/Hiveswap? 2.7 million down the drain after the devs threw it on pet projects and having only a walk cycle to show for it after months and months of work? Okay.

[@PicketPolecat]

To be fair, that game is actually still being made though on the plus side, at least we got Undertale out of the whole fiasco

[@Ang3lUki]

+Slimey Jenkins yep! Still, it's shitty that the first Dev that the money was handed to wasted most of it. I still have hope for Hiveswap.

[@Ang3lUki]

+Slimey Jenkins I'm very excited for January

[@owgirl]

Yeah, #BoycottKingsQuest

[@kolonarulez5222]

I remember seeing Xeko ads on the back of my old unofficial pokemon magazines. I'm also glad I didn't know about the kickstarter.

[@SHDW-nf2ki]

this video, might number 9, and all of steam greenlight have basically convinced me crowd funding is a horrible concept

[@hoodedman6579]

And Undertale, Shovel Knight, and 20xx have convinced me that crowd funding is an excellent concept. Maybe we should use a broader perspective...

[@edmac1090]

SH4D0W sometimes. I guess just never put forward more money than you're prepared to lose when crowdfunding something.

[@NotAGoodUsername360]

SH4D0W This exactly is the reason why ISDAs exist, because the Great Depression proved that there needs to be a hard limit on how much people who can't afford to lose thousands are actually allowed to invest. The logic being that people with stupidly high net worth would be smart enough not to fall for these scams. Of course, then the Great Recession happened and we learned that the rich can be every bit as stupid as the laypeople when it comes to the financial equivalent of sweeping dirt under the rug. "Collateralized Debt Obligation". Hah. Yeah, I'm sure a box of miscellaneous debts no one wants to take a loss on are perfectly sane investments. The moral of the story is that rich people and normal people alike really should stick to buying things that actually exist and really be careful about whom you accept an IOU from.

[@NotAGoodUsername360]

Degenerate Pervert That is basically what hundreds of years of financial horror stories can be basically summed up to. Yet for some reason people still keep buying snake oil.

[@gh0rochi363]

no duh

[@cyphaborg6598]

Greed monger... yeah I would avoid a project by that name alone XD.

[@RoboticusMusic]

Jason's greatest success has been scamming people selling investments in HYIP's (crypto-currencies and ICO's).

[@KnowingEyes]

This. Plus he heavily moderates his FB and Twitter. If you leave anything about his failed past, buh bye.

[@tommy0con2]

when he went over all of his "careers" I knew he was a scammer

[@batman_2004]

You forget the biggest one : Star citizen, the biggest scam.

[@ironman98]

He didn't forget, it was intentional. Star Citizen is still in active production. Therefore it hasn't "failed".

[@GuyOnAChair]

Huh. It sounds a bit like you've got a cold.

[@BottomBunkArt]

The problem with adding together the backers from across the projects is that there was likely a crossover of backers

[@ActuallyTragic]

FEZ. FUCKING. 2.

[@emmastrange5557]

It had no crowd sourcing campaign.

[@MrBaris115]

NateSnivySmasher hey atleast we will never see phil fishers face again

[@EvilDoresh]

Did he finally leave his hated gaming industry in a huff or something?

[@Ultrox007]

While not a video game: how about them solar roadways? ;P

[@NightRaven1080p]

that ACTUALLY made recent progress! They are currently being tested in the real world, as of 2016.

[@lawyit]

Larry Hullum Jr you mean the small patch of payment not on the road but on a walkway were only 7 of the 32 panel light up and none of them generate any electricity?

[@joshr408]

TrueWOPR the problem is solar roadways are inefficient, they cost alot money, and produce very little electricity. someone broke down the numbers. and it pays for itself in couple 1000 years

[@Adrastia]

Hey, the robot overlords who will one day conquer and conclude humanity are going to thank us for those solar roadways Mr. Cockypants.

[@Ultrox007]

Larry Hullum Jr _"That actually made progress"_ 6 million dollars, and they gave us 12 pannels, all of which died after a single week of basic wear and tear... ON A SIDEWALK. Josh R The point I'm trying to make is that idiots will crowd-fund anything so long as the snake-oil is politically aware enough. Adrastia Your robot overlords prefer nuclear power.

[@PutItAway101]

Anything that claims to be "raising awareness" for some worthy issue is pretty much automatically a scam. "Raising awareness" is code for "not actually doing anything practical to help the problem"

[@z0m813]

I was seriously like why is this in my subs twice lol

[@PinkAndPathetic]

imagine if undertale never came out and ran off with the money

[@old.148]

No cancer at least

[@crossetta]

I will be the most happy persons if that happens

[@crossetta]

@Zokix11 MC yea

[@Dubfiance]

i can confirm that model in kaiju combat is actually a character from a macro furry community. friend spent $2500 to get the model accepted but failed miserably. the character's name is Macroceli.

[@muhammedalsaif7184]

I can't see Star citizen.

[@orangefelta9868]

What's wrong with Star Citizen? I don't play, nor probably ever will play the game. The only reason I loosely follow it is to see how/if/when it falls apart. Their newsletters lead me to believe they're still going strong on the project, with 3 different game modes now (What their quality is, I don't know). I remember reading something a while back about a "space bus" of sorts for trading and transporting.. sounded like there was effort being put into building the logistics aspect of a space sim. From my perspective, the game's development appears to be moving really slowly considering I read them raising over $200 million from fans, and that 8 years development is quite a long time for what I've witnessed. I'm not sure of what's going on behind the scenes and what hasn't been released yet, but a part of me could believe they're also going for Quality over Speed here. Another part of me wonders if it's a pseudo-scam where they've perfected a cycle of tease/release/promise that keeps people paying over the years, better than the average released game does, on the notions that (A) This is really happening! and (B) Look at where it'll (likely not) end up, we have to make this happen!

[@Chrisostomos]

I would never back anyone on shit like this. It's insane. Give it to poor people

[@Larry]

Even worse is a lot of these people asking for money are already millionaires!

[@dxBIGBOSSxb]

Larry Bundy Jr Im shocked 22 Cans didn't get mentioned. Godus is still an unfinished mess and a disrespectful product still being sold on Steam. At least, Im pretty sure it was kickstarted. Molyneux kicked his fans in the stomach and made off with whatever money he made on that game.

[@XanKreigor]

I only back Kickstarters if they have a playable demo that looks like it might shape up to a proper game.

[@ZackLonbee]

Anytime someone claims they're entrepreneurs but have more than 3 projects, back away.

[@TheDutyPaid]

No Yogventures?

[@childpeanut5095]

TheDutyPaid Still can't believe I backed that shithole of a project...

[@Sammmmmmmm617]

Adara Rami what happened with that?

[@lastnamefirstname5546]

fuck off

[@TheDutyPaid]

Zen ¿

[@Albodee]

Sam You should watch the video that larry made about it. I never knew what happend to that game i used to be the biggest yogscast fan too.

[@Saladon89]

u forgot to add star citizen

[@shermansheepherda8488]

they are pouring heaps into that

[@TheComedyGeek]

This is not a complex phenomenon. It's often just procrastination. They get the money. buy shiny new offices and such, and then, without a true leader to keep everything moving forward, people fall into a pattern of fucking around instead of getting the job done. What work does get one is very light stuff. Plans. strategies. tangential preliminaries, maybe some early graphics work. All stuff that is technically relate to the game you're suppose to be making but nothing that involves hard work, hard decisions, or hard commitments. Life rapidly becomes about the social scene of the office and various faffing off activities and the real job becomes, at best, an occasional embarrassing wake-up call and brief flurry of work-like activity, and at worst a distant, vaguely annoying memory. Meanwhile, the initial KS money is dwindling away rapidly as you pay people their salaries and pay for the offices and all that. At some point, leadership realizes they are doomed. So they go in search of more investment capital. And to get it. they start making increasingly exciting claims about how awesome the game will be. This gets them the VC they need and they swear that THIS time, they will focus and get shit done. Then go right back to fucking around. Repeat this cycle until they have essentially promised to make the mother of all games when they haven't even started the first game yet. At that point, there is only one option left : grab the rest of the money and GTFO. You sure as fuck are not going to confess to how badly you fucked the whole thing up and face a massive backlash and probably legal action. And you aren't willing to just quietly go work at Stuckey's either. After all, you're a big important head of a hot gaming company. You've been rich now and going back to mundane life now seems worse than death. So you take the money and run. An there you have it, the pathology of a modern gaming boondoggle.

[@Alanzice]

You got a really weird cold, Larry. Not only your voice is sounding different, but you don't even know your name anymore!

[@TheRealLink]

Really intriguing video that of course shows that, yeah, for every successful game, there are a lot of sadly failed ones that can't make it due to various reasons. Your Mario Kart "YOU LOSE!" transitions are just fantastic, laugh worthy fittingly for these failed projects. Neat!

[@soincthe4437]

this is why you don't donate to kik starts who never made a game before.

[@onemoregodrejected9369]

there are always exceptions, there are for real guys that start a kickstarter with no previous game, but you rather look for credentials too. f.e, a big example would actually be undeetale, the guy didnt made any game previously but you can see people got some credentials when they got some previous fame from numerous works on other people games, works or you know they have been active artists, that might fail sometimes (mighty 9, i got scamed, this is ridiculous, they guy had full credentials!!), where this people most of them, after looking at their tracks, not even got half story of what mighty 9 guy had, they even had negative fame. I sincerly cannot easily trust ks but now i am bidding on a ls for Urbance, it was losing a bit of faith since 2013 but last years they updated more often and made a nice full trailer that justified at least 20% of the money i put

[@uwuloluwu]

papa jhon engrish

[@onemoregodrejected9369]

loung tran come on not everyone is english native

[@krizzy090]

papa jhon true i recently payed paypal 25€ for agony i have researched it and real site and facebook and demo hopefully i will get a game digital steam code i have payed for it so i hope it is not scam

[@onemoregodrejected9369]

***** There has been people worth giving a chance, but they got to pressent a realistic project, well explained, no just "innovative ideas" but have a solid plan to develop them. Atm i would put Yandere simulator as a good example on hoe to develop a kickstarter. Ok, its a really popular project itself, but tbh its already worth to donate 30€ in exchange of the fun and lore i already had, more than... Some full games so when the game ks starts i can already donate a money quantity i am sure i had already felt as worth giving. More games shoud do like this, anv give some chances. Even undertale had a whole year of delay, the guy said he needed a bit more time dinfe he was on last college year or so, but rn al backers are happy

[@ReMeDy_TV]

I've lost money pledging funds to various video game Kickstarters. None are guaranteed to succeed, but the #1 tip I have if you're pledging money: Avoid Kickstarters that don't have a real life photo of the project's director. This tip is mostly directed to scams, because they don't want their face tied to the game's development when it goes under. Also, just because the Kickstarter has a game trailer doesn't mean shit. Anyone can make a trailer under controlled settings, making it LOOK like a game. Btw, the projects in this video at least made an effort. I'm referring to low-scale projects producing indie titles. Be warned.

[@shadowwolf1762]

I don't trust kickstarters in the first place and it's similar to what devs do on Steam.

[@vetusmagnus3885]

I thought the first one was Ark, I was like b-b-but I just played ark like 2 hours ago...

[@AzayBae]

Vetus Magnus Or did you...? 👾👽👾👽

[@usarkarzts4207]

That is a lie and you cant be trusted!!!

[@LucasFeniks]

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