$5 vs $50 Chess Coach

[@ReyChessYT]

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[@md.shahiduttarif2831]

Bro why did you quit yt?

[@emperorsascharoni9577]

The 5dollar one was at least as good as the 50dollar. Just goes to show what being a veteran in the business and having more qualifications do. He will certainly be able to increase his price.

[@xHannibal]

Many teachers who are IMs and GMs charge less than 1500-1600 teachers. I work as a Chess teacher now and one of my personal former teachers was a prodigy IM as a child charging only 25-30$ (as an adult) despite his exceptional dedication and talent not only at Chess but also at teaching and he had a degree specifically in Chess instruction. In general in the teaching world price comes down more so to how you market yourself and how much people _feel_ like they are getting value. I knew a young FM who was about 17 years old who struggled to find students despite very low prices, largely because it's harder to be perceived as high value at such a young age. A Harvard degree or a certain appearance matters much more than you'd imagine in Chess teaching.

[@Nas270_0]

@@xHannibalhow much do u charge I might think abt it

[@xHannibal]

@@Nas270_0 I charge 25$ an hour currently. If you want classes I do offer a free 1 hour introduction and assessment class. My market is largely for serious Chess students who are consistent and dedicated to reaching a rating of 2000+. If you're a committed Chess player then feel free to get back to me and we can see if we could work together.

[@maksedits933]

@@xHannibal There's no such degree

[@barzorrr]

This is my secret for starting a business on platforms: You must start off being the cheapest to build a reputation - There is no other way around

[@petteryran1028]

5$ is very good price for this, I would charge at least 20$ and he seemed like a perfectly deacent coach

[@GigsTaggart]

Its honestly nuts to me. We tip a bartender $1 to hand us a beer and this guy is charging $5 for a 20 minute skilled session. Chess really doesn't pay

[@ReyChessYT]

The $5 coach's session was actually over an hour! Amazing right?!

[@SaifHussain-j8s]

​@@GigsTaggartdon't assume ig

[@lebazardesjeux2051]

​@@ReyChessYTayo wtf pretty good so 50$ for 10hours

[@barzorrr]

respect to the $5 guy for spending his time on this. wishing him tons of gigs and feedback

[@isaakvandaalen3899]

Honestly $5 coach impressed me he had great advice I think. Even if some of his comments might've differed from the $50 coach I think that probably comes more down to stylistic approaches to the game more than anything else. Like how he said openings aren't super important (If you're not an IM/GM I would be inclined to agree), while the $50 coach gave you a crash-course in theory (which makes sense given her chess background).

[@joelcollander1973]

Id say that openings starts to matter once you hit like 2000 or so, like by then playing without at least like 8-10 moves of theory feels dangerous, espessialy in shorter games like 10|0, obviously depth may have to be higher or lover depending on the opening but yeah.

[@isaakvandaalen3899]

@@joelcollander1973 True, I mean I'm only 1600 and while I don't really know much theory, I can at least comfortably navigate most of the common openings 8-10 moves deep. My point isn't that you should ignore theory entirely, but rather it's that unless you're really trying to compete at the highest levels of play, you'll probably be better served studying tactics or endgames moreso than learning 15-20 moves in the Grunfeld.

[@eliasvonbrille]

​@@isaakvandaalen3899 Well obviously. Honestly you need only the complete basics up to about 2100 or so. I hardly know any opening moves at all in countless lines and it's totally fine. A coach that give you a run down of opening theory is a really bad coach in my opinion especially on lower levels. There are countless ways of simply looking up opening theory from world class players. You don't need a coach for that. It's simply wasted time. And that's even when ignoring that Openings are very far down the importance list below 2000 rating.

[@isaakvandaalen3899]

@@eliasvonbrille I actually slightly disagree. While it's true that it's easy enough to look up theory these days, I think that getting an actual coach, who plays those moves at a very high level, to explain those moves and the purpose / plans behind them is still a very valuable resource. "Looking up theory" these days is as easy as turning on an engine and looking at best moves, but actually applying those moves takes more that just knowledge that they're good, it takes real understanding of your goals in the position, which is insight that a coach can offer. Of course, I do agree that any coach shouldn't *only* give you theoretical lines, especially at lower levels, and that detailed analysis of your games is probably more valuable. Openings aren't the be all and end all of Chess, on that we agree, but I do believe that they are important and to a certain extent you need to have good openings in order to climb elo efficiently. I think where a lot of people (especially low elo) go wrong is that they think "good openings" means memorising 15-20 move lines when what it really means is understanding general plans and pawn structures.

[@eliasvonbrille]

@@isaakvandaalen3899 "Looking up theory" to me is having a Grandmaster like Daniel Naroditsky or even Super Grandmasters explain all the Ideas in depth. Not only do I not see how a coach could be better, I don't even see them matching that. A coach can be good to give you specialized knowledge that only fits on your needs. Everything else you can look up with in depth explanations etc. Openings are not specialized knowledge. A coach that wastes time only giving opening moves is definitely not a good coach. Of course giving some opening ideas is perfectly good but they should rather refer to educational content to save time and get down to the work that actually only a coach can do. Besides many terrible coaches literally only give opening lines without deep explanation of anything. I saw the girl do this which made me immediately think that she was a pretty terrible coach. For 50$ you would expect her to make every second count. She absolutely didn't.

[@FAHO1800]

This needs to blow up, as a young 1800 I find it interesting that you can get an only 5 dollar coach who is just as good as the 50 dollar one. Private lessons aren't for me though but a chess club is a better and more socializing option

[@joelcollander1973]

1800 online or OTB?

[@davidp.7620]

Coaches charge you for their rating, not for their coaching skills. I'd say there's very little correlation between prize and quality

[@FAHO1800]

​@@davidp.7620In Warsaw (where I'm playing my tournaments) there are some free club-only events organized by National Chess Federation (Pzszach) and at the cost of like 220 PLN (~50 Dollars) per 4 2h classes it's more profitable than getting a private coach and not being able to attend those tournaments. And to answer what you wrote, as I said I'm a young player and I don't cover most of the costs regarding chess but I'm almost sure that my coach doesn't charge anything based of his rating, since practically I'm a little worse chess player than him. He founded one of the biggest chess clubs in the city and probably in Poland, and his success is caused by his knowledge about chess history which I don't know much about. I find the whole topic interesting so that's why my answer is long and maybe dense I might say

[@kartikeyatiwari2502]

I mean its obvious that people pay 50$ mainly because they want to talk to a good looking girl. Obviously she will get paid more

[@FAHO1800]

@@kartikeyatiwari2502 can't and wouldn't relate but you're right I guess

[@laurentsaltoflife9267]

Very interesting experiment. I'm an OTB player (~1950 FIDE) and I've already worked with various coaches in the past. I wasn't too impressed with the lady : although she was supportive, she didn't offer a lot of advice to improve your thought process nor relevant lines to help your analysis (saying the computer approves of a move isn't helpful). Showing specific opening theory isn't super-useful either unless it goes with verbal explanations to help remember the lines. I think the other coach was actually a bit better, at least he was trying to explain ideas behind the moves. Their summaries at the end were also a bit wanting, although the lady pointed that you launched a bit of a premature attack, but didn't explain why it was premature and shouldn't work. In my opinion, there are at least 4 interesting moments in this game : 1) the premature attack with h4 2) you missing your e4 pawn was under pressure which leads to your position collapsing 3) the move h6? which actually helps black by completely shielding their king and 4) the drawing and mating mechanism at the end (useful pattern to know). Best of luck with your chess !

[@LuffySoloGoku]

Can someone summarize💀

[@severance101]

maybe you should start coaching

[@ReyChessYT]

Great analysis and summary!

[@Mannaliz]

Hello. I'm not as strong as you. I'm just a 1.800 FIDE and I have to say that I completely agree with you. To be honest, before I say anything I have no idea how much time they had in this coaching session but none of them said a lot of relevant things about the game and the engine was always on which disencourage the most important, thinking. So yeah... if they had about 30-45 minutes it was a good session but if they had 1-2 hours I don't think it was worth it, you could simply turn on the engine and see the moves and still get the same result

[@azure8490]

the 5$ coach really gave some interesting insights! he's awesome

[@angelv.859]

Hey this is great content. Such an honest portray of the experience. Kep it up!

[@ReyChessYT]

Thank you :) Glad you liked it

[@IOnlyBlunder]

ReyChess is one of the few chess youtubers who priorities quality over quantity in his videos👏

[@ReyChessYT]

❤️

[@iamstarfox87]

I've been playing chess for a few years and am rated only 1300. My new coach is a women's FIDE Master (WFM) rated about 2100 and she only charges $35/session. There are lots of coaches, ppl just have to find one that's right for them 😊

[@idisplaypace2411]

Do you wanna know a brilliant coach who is quite cheap?

[@NotQuiteFirst]

Great concept for a video, but weird execution. The $5 coach was so cheap because he had to build up reviews and ratings to get himself established. The incredibly cheap price is basically like an introductory offer like getting a free trial for the first month when signing up to something. Very likely the actual value of his coaching is higher but you got a deflated price because he's new. It would be better to do the same test with two established coaches with different set prices

[@yuriamv5916]

The five-dollar coach showed drawing and even winning chances, so he should probably charge a lot more.

[@supersnake6582]

Kinda unrelated to the vid but Reychess in the same stream as Frank hitting 1000 ELO was certainly an unexpected treat

[@ReyChessYT]

Haha I'm always rooting for everyone in the Chess community

[@projecteucharist]

I used to play chess in 2002, in 2009, now I'm 29 years old and my interest has revived.

[@LionChess]

I came across this video randomly, but I loved it! :D It was super cool to see other coaches and their perspective of chess as well as how they construct their advice. I've been a coach for over 4 years now and I love every second of it!

[@bondymagnomous3544]

Quality/price ratio is definitely in favor of the cheaper guy.

[@eliasvonbrille]

You are paying at least 45 of the 50€ for the fact that it's a girl. That's standard on this site.

[@bondymagnomous3544]

@@eliasvonbrille We live in sick times. Fcking simps.

[@sharpsbattle]

I didn’t even know you could get chess coaching for so cheap. Wow! For $5, that was very good.

[@ReyChessYT]

Right?!

[@satchury]

you could have kept their prices a secret until the end and i wouldnt have know who was who

[@Kyler.Mellen]

That would have been a really fun idea!!

[@ahahaohoho8039]

50$ for a 2071 elo with 2 years experience coach is really expensive. My FM coach asks 25e (so approximately the same in $) for 1h coaching, and he has a lot of experience

[@eliasvonbrille]

Yeah. That price is ridiculous but the customers decide the price. And they are simply paying for her being a girl. Honestly both coaches were pretty mediocre in my opinion. Not worth money at least. But for 5$ that's totally acceptable.

[@friarcisco8717]

Your content is excellent, man. Keep it up!

[@ReyChessYT]

Thanks, will do!

[@scr1bb3ls]

omg the 5$ one is the guy that coaches me really nice guy would recommend

[@Oliver-2103]

I heard my fellow german accent on the 5$ coach fast haha He did a great job

[@cwesley2005]

Hey bro great video! Really like this and the editing is clever!

[@ReyChessYT]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@music_994]

Once in a tournament like your video i went blindly for the attack to the fianchetto bishop and didn't castle and made a lot of blunders. now i knew what mistake i had made in that game. I am learning now. Thank you for the video!!

[@saintsaens21]

Is German guy secretly a master? He's good at this gig.

[@sebastianalarcon1204]

Now make them play against each other!

[@Phresh170]

The 5$ coach has such a beautiful accent

[@alpha_1707]

Loved this video! Great content 🔥

[@ReyChessYT]

Appreciate it!!

[@dlwah]

both coaches did very good especially the $5 one, the quality gap between them isnt that big

[@xHannibal]

Is it them with the engine on or you? I work as a Chess coach also and in general it's not really the best for the coach to be using the engine especially if it's their first time viewing the game because it taints the human perceptions/wisdoms that you're trying to extract from them. Generally it's better if they analyze it first on their own outside the class without the engine (this justifies the higher hourly rate) then they can quickly check it with the engine for small things they missed and in this way they can share with you their original ideas so you get an actual human insight into the position instead of the just the computer.

[@nightangelx1513]

I’m a firm believer that unless you’re already a high Elo player ANY chess coach will probably give you decent advice

[@eliasvonbrille]

I am a firm believer that unless you're already a high ELO player NO chess coach will probably give you decent advice. No but seriously on lower levels it's mostly pattern recognition and tactics. No coach can help you with that. It becomes way more impactful once they have the games are not decided solely by tactics.

[@r0yce]

@@eliasvonbrille That's actually quite wrong. I understand what you mean but good chess coaches massively help with learning pattern recognition and tactics. Good coaches will not only teach you classic games and chess principles but also take you in a good position and force you to calculate and visualize. And once you went over a pattern, they'll have multiple game positions where they will make you recreate that pattern while playing good moves for both sides. Overall that calculation and visualization aspect of the game is very difficult to learn yourself. Moreover as a beginner I believe having a coach analyze your games with you and force you to admit why you did what you did will teach you heaps on how you think and how you should think in positions.

[@BobChess]

"The best coach is yourself. If you don't understand yourself, you can't be better" - Mfs who broke as me

[@indreshsingh4734]

Nice channel i found today.. Amazing work

[@somethingshibe9526]

Come back please. Your entertaining and we want entertainment that isn't just yelling.

[@luka2549]

i'm getting a coach this saturday for the first time, its 700 in local currency for 1.5h which is 6$, I have no idea what to expect as i never had a coach before nor I have any idea how does one coach chess at a level bigger than intermediate

[@ReyChessYT]

Best of luck!

[@fhdangerfh9676]

How was the experience

[@BoxyMoxyNoxy]

how was it?

[@luka2549]

@@fhdangerfh9676 i'll have some more in the future, I'd say from 1 session can't tell much as it was mostly getting to know each other and for him to see where I'm at, probably going from next session forward we'll actually work on some stuff. But definitely a nice experience

[@Cram7777]

The $5 couch is really good

[@blackman7186]

This was very insightful

[@ReyChessYT]

Glad it was beneficial for you!

[@Hordil]

I'm currently preparing for my C Trainer license in chess, and seeing stuff like this makes me think if i only go for otb courses or eventually do some online stuff. Hmmm. 😅

[@julianbaert]

KEEP IT UP!! same level vids as gothamchess ngl

[@Mikhail-tal-the-GOAT]

the who uses stockfish as their coach

[@davidp.7620]

Great video. Would have been even better without the engine on

[@slim1940]

I love that i didnt need to pay for two coaches, thanks bro

[@tushnikdas8307]

5 dollar was better

[@oliver-04]

50 dollar was better because she would keep me coming back

[@ChessHoodie]

she is basically a scam artist

[@goutvols103]

The $50 coach missed the Arabian mate.

[@istruttoremike]

I'm 2000+ fide and 2500 online and ask 20$/€ per hour (I'm qualified national instructor), so should I ask more right?

[@ReyChessYT]

Good question! Depends on a lot of factors like, for example, if your current clientele would be willing to pay for the new price. There’s a lot to consider

[@xHannibal]

I also work as a Chess coach. I'd say if you have a good amount of teaching experience and a decent client base then you could probably increase your rates to 30 or 40$ successfully. You can give your old student the old price still so you don't have to risk losing all your students. The main thing really is just about marketing yourself as a respectable teacher who offers value and is a privilege to work with. If you can generate lots of demand for your classes then you can afford to charge more.

[@istruttoremike]

@@xHannibal Hello, thank you! I have a good experience and success in teaching (I have a kid that went from 1200 rapid lichess to 2150 in 14 months, and others gained 1000-1200 points in 1 year) so I'm very sure of myself. But my english is not native but fluently, do you suggest fiver platform for it? 25$ should be also fine for me. Of course previous ones will be the same price

[@kanalisationerstellen]

The 5$ guy sounds like 90% German accent hahaha - and how amazing? Both love d4

[@zorkchess]

He posted!!!

[@c_h_r_i_s_t_c_o_r_e]

Damn my chess coach is a Gm and is only 35 an hour and went to school for teaching chess

[@mainflame]

0:14 That is Chuck Norris. You should be learning martial art from him.

[@parasthakur9842]

I would like to see a match between them Can you make a video?

[@ReyChessYT]

Your comment cut out a bit

[@parasthakur9842]

@@ReyChessYT ya i correct it 😄 Can you make it please

[@RD-uk6wt]

years ago, i spend 10 bucks for an 1 hour lesson. As an 1600+ player, it was really a wasted time. He just said analyze ur games and showed on of his games. never ever again i take a low price trainer.

[@CloudoCR]

cool idead tbh, so close to 5k subs :)

[@ReyChessYT]

So close!

[@askaryerzhanuly9891]

what lichess or chesscom rating would approximate the 2100elo?

[@thetransferaccount4586]

both are good and 5$ guy offered some nice tactics too, but she was sweet too

[@anastasiapurtseladze3028]

this is rly good video but you cant rate a coach in just 1 lesson you need to take lessons at least 1-2 month to see if the coach is good. edit:oh and georgia has REALY GOOD players. i know because im georgian myself

[@itexsoo]

the 5 dollar sound like ruby dad.

[@Crazyyz76]

Nice video😊. Can you please tell me that in your video "I WENT FROM 0 TO 1700 ELO IN CHESS" what app you using in your openings? Its data base??

[@Crazyyz76]

Pls answee

[@littlerab555]

Opening tree I think

[@joannalewis5279]

Great idea for a video

[@itsopgaming368]

Wow finally new video

[@Danumurti18]

Wow this is good, please share more of coaching 🤭

[@joeyebeling7681]

I love saying Prag's full name, but I am cheering forMagnus to win

[@reddd-77]

Instead of paying for a coach, just watch Daniel naroditsky's speedruns for free.

[@sirhellstorm9000]

Bro didn’t included gothamchess 😢

[@The-Cosmos]

Keep it up man!

[@ReyChessYT]

Thanks! Will do!

[@Alphaniss]

You are the best rey

[@Ironman1127bap]

I don't trust people who play d4. 😅

[@Death_IS_coming777]

D4 is safer,e4 is tactical

[@edusoto2509]

Great video😊

[@ReyChessYT]

Thank you 😁

[@ROCKET999YT]

Dude come back already

[@antonbuettner9451]

bro 2071 but she playes chess since 7? how less effort did she put into this

[@ThePalmWoods]

What are you on about? 2071 FIDE is very strong.

[@ReyChessYT]

2071 FIDE is very impressive and many young players plateau around this elo. Plus she probably has other responsibilities outside of chess she prioritizes and just does coaching as a side hustle :)

[@antonbuettner9451]

@@ThePalmWoods dude when u start at 7 and ar like above 20 you could easily be 2400 or higher

[@antonbuettner9451]

ther other guy startet with 20 or sth and his peak is still better@@ThePalmWoods

[@davidp.7620]

​@@antonbuettner9451easily?

[@kovacszentepeter]

Absolizely love ur vids

[@adrianxerez6227]

That arabian check blew my mind. I'll try to get it.

[@GGMike09]

5$ feels like you are learning from a Russian Grandmaster just by the way he talks.

[@user-du6pp3ox1e]

Hey he is back

[@astroxoxoo]

anna cramling on 50$

[@ඞ̈̇̃]

great video keep it up

[@ReyChessYT]

Thanks, will do!

[@bizarnikreaturanikolivkrea3829]

i liked 5 dollar much more

[@orangepacker7479]

nah he was just cool, and his playstyle was good as well. You could tell he plays for fun.@randomdude1134

[@tushnikdas8307]

​@randomdude1134they both are more or less same but another one charges 10 times the money

[@bizarnikreaturanikolivkrea3829]

It is not just about money, he was just more sympathetic to me... he was saying great advices, and if i would like to get trained i think his advices were even more useful and would improve me more than advices from 50 dollar coach

[@caballitodetotora7087]

Really intersting!

[@JamesT9]

My coach is youtube HAHA

[@eliasvonbrille]

Just a heads up when I hear that someone charges 50$ while having a peak rating of 2070 they must either be an really amazing coach or its just because they are a pretty girl. I am about the same rating and I have no clue what I am talking about same as anyone with that rating. Sure we can teach beginners a few things but this prize with pretty average rating is wild. This is really petty. Not blaming the girl btw I would totally do the same but the horny dudes on this site.

[@DragonzeroChess]

Add that guy money

[@Gold139]

bruh i had way more value out of a $30 coach than this $50. my coach pointed out immediately what was wrong with my position (planning/piece activity, etc). for this kind of things you really need someone 2300+ imo, 2000 is still very meh.

[@xHannibal]

Chess coach pricing is really weird. I also had a coach who charged only 25-30$ who was rated 2450 FIDE with years of teaching experience and an actual degree in Chess teaching. There are GMs who charge 15-20$. There are 1600s who charge 50-80$. Largely pricing comes down to how confident the individual is or the cost of living in their area.

[@Runaway_-g.]

You know are real gm coach is like 126 dollars 💵 per hour

[@mattster-nw2xn]

This experiment is not really fair. $5 an hour is not a sustainable rate for a chess coach/instructor. Online chess makes players able to connect with an instructor but in-person lessons may be preferable to some. Some possible guidelines: a chess coach should charge roughly what a music instructor charges in that area, and should play at least one class above the student in rating. Call the $5 rate a loss leader or a freebie, if the coach is new then this may be necessary to get started. In the long term this is not fair for people who try to make a living at teaching chess.

[@sayagantengs]

Nice

[@alceljustineilagangonda1179]

My coach is stockfish and that's better and it's free

[@stadami]

flipszn

[@ermesslavoi1649]

5 dollar way better

[@giacomomallia953]

5$ bro did well, but the advice about not studying opening was straight terrible 🤣

[@timo_chess6567]

Lot of grandmasters advice you to Not Care too much about openenings until you are around 2000 fide. Not realy a terrible adivice by him.

[@marlonzaklit8887]

Nah he's right better work on healthy Patterns for decision making. Then memories 100 of openings you may never play or remember. Like work on the assessment of the board and pieces, like he said about the library, build on your patterns and tactics. Recognise what's weaknesses you have and how to make out the best of a worst position are billion times better than learning openings. It won't be relevant util you are an IM to go deep in openings and prep. But that doesn't mean you should be clueless.

[@GigsTaggart]

Other than some tricky traps, tactics and position will get you through the openings beyond move 3 at an intermediate level. Like if you want to play tricky stuff yourself, yeah you need to study. For example if someone allows fried liver at my level and doesn't play the traxxler, it usually means they know at least the next few best moves, so I better as well. But your typical out of the book after 5 moves opening comes up a lot more often than the well trodden lines (I'm around 1500)

[@marlonzaklit8887]

@@GigsTaggart these things are basic you should know opening traps and stuff. But all we meant is that heavy prep does more harm than good at intermediate level. You should focus on positioning and tactics, especially on a healthy way to read the board, like week pieces and pawns, week squares, king safety, checks, capture, threats normal defence and tactical defence, ect.. . And understand and play any position especially enjoy playing worst positions, by finding counterplay to checkmate, equal or draw the position. And don't forget about calculation practice, best thing i ever did played faster and more accurate.

[@gpapa2474]

W VIDEOO

[@Sharpshooter649]

The womon is only charging $50 because she’s hot 😂

[@mushu1782]

Let’s go

[@evantm2588]

W video

[@NaveedNaveed-oq1od]

5 dolar coach is better

[@mwangikimani3970]

It all depends on what you want out of chess. If you can't teach and motivate yourself (through studying and playing) enough to get to at least 2300 FIDE without a coach maybe you are wasting your money. I know this is a controversial statement and i did not originate it but i agree with it.

[@mwangikimani3970]

Spend the money joining a club, and playing actual tournaments instead, UpTo about 2300FIDE then if you are young and talented enough you can invest in professional coaching. Otherwise it's a big waste of time and money for most casual players.

[@Chadwinw]

I completely disagree. Most coaches aren’t even 2300 FIDE or FM. If ur say 1500 and want to get to 2000, sometimes instead of studying games and books (which may still cost money), spending $5-10 on a coach instead of hundreds of hours studying and playing is a worthy investment. I’m not saying getting a coach will boost you there but there will be likely be 2-3 concepts that you learn, specific to ur play that will boost your rating, saving hours spent learning the wrong things on your own. Time is money and I would prefer to save it.

[@eliasvonbrille]

​​​@@Chadwinw I got to 2000 in very short time simply by playing games online. Coaching would give you next to no value on that level I can pretty much guarantee it. Thats also logically obvious. Most games are decided by simply tactical oversights so you should first learn your tactics and then general concepts. That already brings you over 2000. To think you need specific coaching just for them to tell you the foundations which you can simply watch on KZbin is a bit odd. The best a coach can do for you is get you into the right mindset and thinking mechanism but thats something that you can do yourself just as well. It's no magic. You should know best how to keep yourself 100% focused on every single game and every move separately.

[@alfredrose8065]

"Promo SM"

[@daruuus4162]

What is her elo xD

[@paprika4999]

they are very superficial

[@freddykregler]

10th