564: How Rapture Theology Shaped America (Part 2)

[@hapennysparrow]

I encourage you to read Jeff Sharlet's excellent books," The Family," and "Undertow." The whole mystery of toxic "Christianity " is unraveled. I have also read Jesus and John Wayne," by Kristin DuMez who was on the show last year. Another deeper dive was written by Anne Nelson's "The Shadow Network." Katherine Stewart wrote " The Power Worshippers, " after ten years of journalistic investigation into the underbelly of the Religious Right Nationalists. All insightful journalism by History Professors, and investigative journalists. Theee of these authors are devoted Christian believers, who have become alarmed at the direction the Evangelical Church has gone. I urge the hosts and the listeners to at least read Jeff Sharlet's books, although the authors mentioned do an excellent job of revealing the basic heresy at the heart of the mess in which we find ourselves, both politically, and spiritually. There is so much going on beneath the surface that we do not see. By the way, many devoted believers outside the black church vote Democratic. I am tired of being called Marxist and baby killer. Cheap shots that do not have any interest in engaging in a civil discussion about views with a different perspective. All nuance thrown out in favor of knee jerk reactions and mud slinging. Please read even two of these books for a better understanding of where we are and why.

[@patrickc3419]

Can you cite what (specifically by name) positions in the modern Democratic platform align with the Biblical? (To preface): 1.) I am not a Republican). 2.) Our former church is nearly entirely of refugees and immigrants (East Indian, Nepali, Bhutanese, & Ethiopian) who embraced social and biblical conservatism.

[@greglogan7706]

​@@patrickc3419 Just curious- have you obtained and reviewed the formal platform of the Democratic Party? As opposed to being "swamped" with fascist religious propaganda?

[@greglogan7706]

​​@@patrickc3419 Why do you think these Souls embraced whatever someone chose to Define as social and biblical conservativism?

[@patrickc3419]

@@greglogan7706 Yes. Support for the intentional homicide of unborn people, embrace and push for sodomites and sexual perversions, embrace of the division of people based on their levels of melanin in the skin levels, embrace of lawlessness, & embrace of socialism, as well as others, negates any chance that a person can be a born again follower of Christ Jesus. I say that as someone who does not support Donald Trump nor his vile family. They are as spiritually dead as anyone who embraces the current Democratic Party platform.

[@PhilTomson]

Jeff Sharlet would be a great guest to have on Holy Post.

[@erichodge567]

38:19 Christian tries to both-sides it, but Skye Jethani provides the critical distinction: there's only one political side that is willing to disrupt politics and even set aside the Constitution to achieve their aims. At this point only the right will countenance this.

[@virginiacrosby4160]

Mike Erre had a good point about turning the other cheek this past Sunday. (And thank you for having him on! I've been watching his sound teaching since)

[@sheilagirl70]

Oh snap! I love Mike Erre and never miss an episode of his Voxology podcast, but it didn't even occur to me that I could tune into his sermons online. I recall a while back Mike explaining the history behind turning the other cheek, and I never forgot it. Thank you internet friend! :)

[@thegnome427]

@@sheilagirl70 His online sermons are fantastic!

[@garryyoung3154]

Hello Virginia,how’re you doing today?

[@penspot]

I appreciate you three so much! I know you all have a heart for Jesus and I feel like I can listen to your conversations comfortably even though sometimes I may not agree. There is more openness and comfort in your podcast than around my own family (who are ridiculously conservative to the point where biblical argument is useless). Thank you for your podcast ❤️❤️❤️

[@patrickc3419]

How does being (ridiculously?) conservative make speaking about the Bible useless? Is there a specific conservative position which negates someone’s professed salvation? Granted, it is not possible to be a “liberal Christian”, but the simple virgin of being “conservative” has zero bearing if someone is saved. There are scores of unsaved conservative people.

[@makejesusgreatagain7220]

​​@@patrickc3419 you're gonna be very surprised by who is in heaven with you. It'll be a utopia filled with all kinds of people, including liberals.

[@waltercarmichael100]

@@patrickc3419 there are a great number of people who would argue that there is such a thing as a “liberal” side to Christianity compared to the generic Evangelical viewpoint. However, it would be helpful to me if you mean liberal theologically or liberal politically because they are two very different things.

[@patrickc3419]

@@waltercarmichael100 Okay and that’s fair; “liberal” and “conservative” can be funny words; I will not dispute that. I would say “theologically liberal” would include Roman Catholicism (the manmade religion of which I was raised), as their pontiff has repeatedly stated that nonChristians (including atheists) will go to Heaven. Liberal politically (as well as theologically) would include most of the mainline Protestant churches (United Methodist, Episcopal, United Church of Christ, Presbyterian USA, etc). I PERSONALLY do not use the term “Evangelical” to describe myself. It is misleading and conjures up images of TBN, Billy Graham, Max Lucado, Pureflix, VeggieTales, & those silly Sherwood movies, none of which are Christian. My family and I are 1689 Baptist (also known as Reformed Baptist), and greatly treasure the works of the Puritans, Banner of Truth, Table Talk, CH Spurgeon, John Knox, John Flavel, John Owen, JC Ryle, Martin Luther, & lots of other dead guys. Some living ones, too. But no; by “liberal” you mean can someone be pro abortion, pro sodomite, pro women pastors, believe in evolution, etc and be saved? No, that’s not possible.

[@waltercarmichael100]

@@patrickc3419 thanks for clarifying the theological position and biblical interpretation.

[@tyron302]

I think this demonstrates how we as humans will contort theology to escape the reality of our situation, in America's case, attempt to escape the legacy of our racist past

[@dawningoftime]

About the coronation. There is an oath that KC3 needs to take by law, Coronation Oath Act of 1689. It probably could be given in a style of an inauguration type ceremony, but when you have a piece of legislation called "Coronation Oath Act" it implies there will be a coronation. I'm willing to bet the only way this could be changed is by an act of Parliament. In terms of the pageantry...there is this little classical piece from Britain called "Pomp and Circumstance". It's what they do best. Also, I do believe QEII was a Christian. If you listen to her Christmas speeches she you can tell she was a believer. From her first Christmas speech in 1952, "Pray for me … that God may give me wisdom and strength to carry out the solemn promises I shall be making, and that I may faithfully serve Him and you, all the days of my life." Billy Graham disclosed in an interview back in 2000 or 1999 that he and The Queen had a regular correspondence going and it would not surprise me if the issue of her faith came up. I get it it's not your thing that's fine, but the attitude was uncalled for.

[@wilfredmancy]

Being Australian and a beneficiary of the British age of influence, I enjoyed watching the placement of the crown ceremony. It took us nearly a thousand years to divest them of real power, starting with King John at Runnymede, and now we have a nice relationship, they do good works and we enjoy the spectacle. There is a long and very human story, the human story, behind the situation as it now is. I am glad there is this tangible thing to connect us to our history our story, the good the bad and the indifferent. Doing away with these symbols of a past age, something that actually happened, isn't going to make us better people I think. History is about the struggle for power and dominance of competing ideas and the people who hold them. It is happening now as it always has.

[@maryhamric]

I had a "Late Great Planet Earth" comic book as a kid. I was brought up in this dispensational theology and anyone who wasn't a dispensationalist was very suspect in my house. I remember watching "A Thief in the Night" too! I'm glad to know the detailed history of it. Can't wait to read the book!

[@keithwiebe1787]

That happened in our church which was a conservative Mennonite one. The religious right always warns us about falling for the world but Mennonite's have fallen for the latest religious dogma.

[@OneCareOne]

I still have all 4 movies in the A Thief In The Night series

[@lisacawyer6896]

Very interesting overview of the river I've been swimming in for most of my life.

[@garryyoung3154]

Hello Lisa,how’re you doing today?

[@chappellroseholt5740]

Good afternoon from the beautiful SF Bay Area. We are, in fact, One Family, the Family of God, we are not an enemy. I am a natural born liberal into a conservative evangelical family. I am true to God's leading in my life and it can be very different. Blessings.

[@bethprather9241]

We have to pray and try to get along. It has been rough.. love and move on for sure

[@garryyoung3154]

Hello Beth,how’re you doing today?

[@miguele.carvajal8219]

The history of Rapture Theology and Dispenthiggimabbobby is really interesting (growing up as C&MA PK, my home was almost Moody-themed: Moody Books, Moody Commentaries, Moody T-towels in the Kitchen, etc ), but after learning that most serious theologians have rejected this scatological interpretation, I almost wanted to hear someone bible-debunking it point by point, rather than just telling us when and who started them and their toxic effect.

[@triciarussell3426]

I'm hoping for a follow up with more point by point explanation as well

[@ansakyt]

I think the dipsy-doodling story of its origin does a lot of that. Reading N. T. Wright's tomes (NTPG, JVG, RSG) nailed the coffin shut for me. My process began when I realized what sweeping swaths of Scripture Jesus fulfilled in his first coming and tried to extend the same point of view to eschatology. To expect him to fulfill only these little bits snipped out from here or there and then turned into some kind of timetable (even a movable one that nobody serious pegs to a particular date)? God as I understand him was too big for those teeny weeny living quarters. (He's not your genie!) So... I've been a pan-trib / pan-millennialist for a long time now. If you're looking for a verse-by-verse deconstruction of it? Im not sure where to point you except to long reads and long walks with long thinks, maybe long chin-wags with long-time friends to work it all out (in long-hand).

[@jacobvardy]

A question for the Yankees, who are these left wing extremists in the US that Christian mentioned? And what are their policies? Because in my country policies like "medicate for all" or a "green new deal" are supported by all major parties.

[@ShaunCKennedyAuthor]

The best work on the Trinity is Augustine's 15 volumes "On the Holy Trinity" No analogy captures every part of anything it makes an analogy to, but by combining analogies, a person can get to a lot of detail. For example: I ate a fruit, once. It hung from a vine until I picked it. It had a consistency between that of an apple and a banana, and was as sweet as a peach. It was red, heart-shaped, and the outside was dotted with dozens of tiny, brown seeds. I haven't told you what fruit this is, but I bet you know. What's more, if you didn't know, I bet I could give you this description and send you to the store to buy me more of this fruit even if you had never seen it or heard of it before. It isn't a peach. It isn't an apple, it isn't a banana. It isn't a heart. But by taking the elements of each in their way and applying them by analogy, I paint an accurate picture that describes the thing. Such it is with analogies with the Trinity. There's why to just say "I have the analogy for the Trinity!" Doesn't work. The thing to do is to find out what the person's problem is. I've had a lot of people who get hung up on the language from the middle ages. They think "substance" and "material" are synonyms, and when we say that God has a substance that think that means he's a physical thing. It bothers me that some people get hung up on language. When speaking with friends that know object oriented programming, I'll explain substance in terms of classes and replace the word "person" with "instance." I've had a few programmer friends that understand substance after that. (Back to the fruit analogy above, there is often another aspect that needs to be cleared up after that.) But it bugs me when people get all bent out of shape going, "Oh it's not class, it's substance!" without being able to explain what either are.

[@VinceOConnor]

Adding it to my to-be-read list.

[@areconstructionstory4770]

The interview neglected probably the most enthusiastic dispensationalists today: Pentecostals/ the AoG

[@Nsaf_UKR]

Is the AoG the Age of Grace?

[@areconstructionstory4770]

@@Nsaf_UKR Assemblies of God

[@Xaforn]

Bingo!!! They need to discuss them, I grew up UPCI and ugh 😑 so embarrassing and traumatic

[@helenr4300]

Interestingly, Darby's ideas didn't take in UK beyond the Brethren. And rapture thinking that we have is mostly exported from US. We also didn't have trials about evolution in schools, or civil rights protests, nor Korea and Vietnam. We had our own very different issues, and our church landscape in theology and political/social interactions is therefore very different too.

[@garryyoung3154]

Hello Helen,how’re you doing today?

[@Magnulus76]

Yup. British Evangelicalism is quite different from the US.

[@impalaman9707]

I always found William Jennings Bryan to be interesting figure in American history, in the sense, that here's a person who was theologically very conservative, but politically, very liberal--almost socialist. Proving the argument that it doesn't always follow that just because someone is theologically conservative, that they will also be politically conservative--anymore than there are people who are theologically liberal and politically very conservative. I remember vividly J Vernon McGee giving examples on his radio program of both types of people he knew that were like that--who you couldn't just put in the same box

[@enigma1865]

Two cheeks: I was told to only forgive twice and then respond with force. This was at Stockaid Boys in Church as a kid.

[@asdfrozen]

I believe Jesus had something to say about how many times you should forgive. And it was way more than twice.

[@bethprather9241]

Pray and move on. We have too. There is an entire world that is lost and hurting and even those that we have no idea what is going on... pray and move on to tell truth

[@daylemunn1334]

I loved the anointing and the song about the crowning of Solomon.

[@mrbuckmeister]

Sky makes an excellent point that we have to hold the party that uses the name of Jesus to a higher standard. Defending the name of Jesus is the key issue. That requires us to highlight when those proclaiming the name of Jesus are not following the commands of Jesus. Jesus highlighted the hypocrisy of spiritual leaders in his teaching too.

[@hapennysparrow]

The real problem is the merger of spiritual and political into a power grab..

[@holyfreak86]

Is a really interesting interview. I strongly recomend to the video lessons made by Bruce Gore about the history of how the interpretation of Revelation and other parts of the Bible have evolved through time. Is there any chance that you will talk about Young Creationism and how is (unfortunately) taking over the church?

[@daniellesisneros490]

Would it be helpful if us former Republicans, turned Independent, then Democrat bc of extremism, switch back to voting Republican in the primary? So many moderate Republicans left the party bc of Trump. It may have left the Primaries open for more extremism.

[@stargate2395]

Now that you've slain the "beast" of Pretribulation Dispensational Rapture, are you going to discuss what Paul does say about the rapture? If it's behind the pay wall, please move those discussions to the free site.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

The issue with the British monarchy is that it’s… very Darth Vader. They’d probably do better if they chucked Chuck, but I guess it’s just a tourist attraction now. It’s basically Anglo-Disney.

[@kathierezek3515]

Excellent! Than you.

[@garryyoung3154]

Hello kathie,how’re you doing today?

[@enigma1865]

Coronation: Lots of families who came from Canada are descendants of Loyalists. Many British migrated here long after the Revolution. Christian Nation - I have real issues with the hymn Jerusalem. I can see where we get our Christian nationalism

[@mitchmonteith6468]

Awesome. Thanks

[@Vader-xl1bl]

Skye and Phil doing their best to stick up the hateful folks that also exist on the left.. AND also claim to be Christian and use the Bible wrongly like the far right… Christian is absolutely the best! She has the most reasoned, humble views on this show. Keep at it! You were absolutely spot on that BOTH sides do it and have their own media to spread their garbage.

[@ryanclegg3727]

I actually believe that they focus on the conservative side because evangelicals are uniquely intertwined with the far right. Sure, there are hypocritical Christians on the other side, but far less in number imo

[@Justanotherconsumer]

Whataboutism, check. Desperate need to pivot to attacking “them” instead of acknowledging th problems with “us.” This argument is a concession that you simply do not care how bad the GOP is and have no values except winning, No. Beam, then mote.

[@ryanclegg3727]

8:12 also thankful that tuberculosis isn’t a big thing anymore 🙌🏻

[@TheAcademik]

Unfortunately, it is still a thing.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

Not in the US, but globally it’s still a major cause of morbidity and mortality.

[@ryanclegg3727]

@@Justanotherconsumer I guess I didn’t realize that it was a big thing outside of the US. I hope I didn’t come off as high up… my grandfather died of tuberculosis here in the states

[@RabLRousR]

What about "The Girl Who Wore Responsibility"? Freedom without responsibility is a recipe for disaster and a threat to real freedom.

[@TheGretsch6120]

Here’s a Times reader that listens to the Holy Post. You’re the only reasonable evangelicals out there. You know and not afraid of history. I think one thing is for church people being told what “they “ doing and saying… is to go be among “them” and I think you’ll find “they” aren’t doing what right wing media or your pastor says “they” are. Outside the “Christian Ghetto” as we always called it in church.

[@luisbartolomey3988]

Seminaries don’t lead Christian thought as much as we would like. There are whole Latino denominations that teach dispensationalism.

[@impalaman9707]

Good

[@tyron302]

Your theme is so catchy. I hate you for that. 😡Jk😂 i love it!😂

[@kevinwillems8720]

A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one

[@OneCareOne]

Why did they not discuss Matthew 24 and 1 Thessaloneans 5?

[@tomsawyer5902]

A question: Is there any single OT/NT prophecy that still needs to be fulfilled? If there is, then it seems to me that it is IMPOSSIBLE to hold to the idea of the imminent return of Jesus Christ. On the other hand, if all prophecy is fulfilled in Jesus Christ, then his return is always imminent, and dispensationalism is a ruined ideology and should be rejected. Let me be clear, I mean the ideology, not the people holding to it.

[@OneCareOne]

Jesus has yet to return as ruling King of this earth. There's that

[@complexmindsimpleman6642]

"I love history" What parts of their history do you love beyond the pageantry? Imagine you're from any of the enslaved or occupied countries at the hand of that monarchy. But she's not, so she focuses on the party

[@patrickc3419]

Oh all parts of history are important, not simply the fun stuff. When you forget the past you are condemned to relive it. Unfortunately not enough, if any, young history students are familiar with the horrors of the Diet of Worms, the Boxer Rebellion or the St. Bartholomew’s Day Massacre. Christians have always been the most despised group on the planet. Christ even promised in John 15:18 “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first”.

[@complexmindsimpleman6642]

@@patrickc3419 yes, but as to your latter point. Few Christians I've known have bothered to ask if we are despised for being Christians or despised for what we've done in the name of Christianity? Huge difference.

[@patrickc3419]

@@complexmindsimpleman6642 I mean, obviously I don’t know your church backstory, but you’ve got to be specific to what has been done in the “name of Christianity”. If, and obviously I am assuming, you are speaking of horrors such as the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Troubles; those we’re done by the Roman Catholic Church, which, having been raised Catholic, I assure you is not Christianity. It is an unbiblical, false, manmade religion. If, on the other hand, you factor an injustice like the Salem Witch trials, yes, that was an injustice and those who led that will have had to answer to God. What does have to be done “in the name of Christianity” is the preach the Gospel unto all nations, per Matthew 28, and trusting sovereign God to have grace upon whom He will show grace and mercy upon whom He will show mercy (Romans 9:15, Exodus 33:19).

[@makejesusgreatagain7220]

​@@patrickc3419 it doesn't matter whether people doing evil were Christians or not. If it's done in the name of Christ, it will negatively impact unbelievers' perceptions regardless.

[@makejesusgreatagain7220]

​@@patrickc3419 we need to heed the words of Peter and make sure that if we're persecuted it's for us doing good, and not trouble that we've brought on ourselves.

[@veggiet2009]

"We have 4 cheeks, Tony!" - Phil Vischer 2023

[@maryhamric]

So says the host of News of the Butt....😂😂

[@Justanotherconsumer]

Turning the other cheek… did Jesus mean moon them?

[@Magnulus76]

I think Skye is a little too skeptical of the value of public liturgy. People are still singing "Abide with Me" in Britain at the big football games, even if they aren't identifying themselves as religious. That has to mean something.

[@enigma1865]

I have just relived my teen years today

[@triciarussell3426]

Yes I felt the same way!

[@tjh3777]

Doesn't the royal family literally still own the UK, Canada, Australia, and a bunch of other small islands like New Zealand and the Caribbean? Commonwealth Realms. I'm pretty sure the guy placing the crown on dude's head said, "...YOUR Commonwealth Realms and territories".

[@David_Burt_Art]

48:41 Hard to tell if Christian meant that she’ll be there with her son named Hunter, or that her film will be screening alongside the bizarre “My Son Hunter” movie. Glad it’s the first thing. 😂

[@bethprather9241]

I read left behind fiction based on scripture and 3 Bible studies similar... the series wasnt about the pre tribulation / tribulation and the rest.. so he must have changed his mind

[@sylviar3580]

I was born in the wrong country! I love all things British and Irish for that matter.

[@bethprather9241]

Absolutely.. on the right wing mess.. Sad.. the church jumping in is leading too many away from Jesus.. Carlson.. worked on fear..

[@Justanotherconsumer]

Carlson was just more talk radio. This isn’t new.

[@veggiet2009]

I'm with Christian on liking the history... But i think it's also historical because Elizabeth was queen for so long. It's very precedented, but for our generation it's historic

[@waberens]

Good promotion of the white tower Scholar's Union.

[@Theinternalrewrite]

When Adam and Eve ate the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil it was so they could become like God, taking the role of moral law giver for their own lives. Almost immediately they judged God's actions as wrong and shameful, seeing fault in their nakedness. When God questioned why they chose that Adam blamed Eve and God himself. Since then humans have sought to be in charge of themselves, inventing their own sense of right and wrong rather than submit to anyone else's rule or measure. At various times, even when people have sought to adopt God's rule, they make the mistake of adopting his laws, giving their own interpretation of them, and then assuming their own piety, sovereignty, in essence Godliness, as a result. We are fooled into thinking following the right rules makes us righteous. The Bible is clear this is not the case. As such, the instatement of a ruler who can enforce the rules feels necessary to grant us the sovereignty we crave. We might convince ourselves that it's right because we are using the laws of a sovereign but that's an effort to usurp an authority that does not exist in the laws but in the moral law giver. We are supposed to submit, not make others submit to us or anyone else. Interestingly, this is also the point about Kings. The people were supposed to submit to the rulership of a king as he submitted to the rulership of God. This is why Jesus is the ultimate example of a king. From Philippians 2: 3 Do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves. 4 Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others. 5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. And to reiterate the point of Jesus' obedience "yet not my will but yours." A king serves his people, all his people, not just the ones who would vote for him to retain office. A king is sacrificial. A king knows from birth who his parent is and what he is expected to do to live up to the responsibility he has been given. A king must be shaped and molded to fulfill God's agenda, not his own, and submit to The Father. And whatever the people do to honour their king, to show respect and submission, is done in service to the true King. And any ceremonies and rites that are observed help us to remember we should be in submission and service, not attempting to take all power, control and sovereignty for ourselves. I beseech us all to submit to God as best we can, to recognise we are flawed and so are not well positioned to force our interpretations of God's laws on others but understand we all need grace. We must be wary of anyone who tells us they can get us control, rulership, more freedom over our own lives as these are seductive phrases that speak to our original sinful nature, not necessarily truth. The serpent used the same technique, Satan said the same to Jesus in the dessert, "use your God given power to serve yourself, take his authority for your own, gain rulership over others." We are biased to desire such things and must be ready to reject them and trust in God to carry out his will. May God bless you as you put him first.

[@hapennysparrow]

I love that you see the three temptations of Christ in the wilderness being resisted by Him, and in contrast, the error of the Religiius Right Nationalist agenda in failing for the selfsame three temptations. Beautifuly stated. I have been trying to point this out to friends that have veered into error only to be met with hostility.

[@Theinternalrewrite]

@@hapennysparrow so much of the bible speaks against the snares that have taken fundamentalists. Not just the teachings of Jesus or the letters of the apostles but so many stories of the old testament too. The pharisees failed to acknowledge Jesus because they failed to trust in scripture over their own sense of righteousness. They ignored what God wanted of them believing they knew better though their ways only ever left them wandering in a wilderness and forced to toil and live off meagre scraps, waiting for God to notice they were deserving of the promised land and its blessings. They never looked at themselves and realised they were not worthy, would never be worthy, and recognise, in the resulting despair, was the hope of deliverance given by the one who was greater, more righteous. Who wishes to learn all their toil is not working toward anything, that all their choices are wrong, that their self worth has all the value of a used sanitary pad? The Bible helps us to understand the many ways we might screw up. When we've got one thing sorted we're probably getting a different bit wrong. That's why we're supposed to use it on ourselves, not others. But the law is to convict, not condemn. And yet to avoid fear and shame people rewrite or reinterpret the laws to make themselves feel good and belittle others. True faith can take the criticism because salvation has already come in spite the flaws and failings If the fruits of a righteous life are not present in you (and to be clear financial prosperity is not such a fruit) then your life is not so righteous and you need to reassess how you live. Your own identity matters not. It's his identity that is important. Do you know him? If you do you realise how unimportant you are. God bless .

[@bethprather9241]

Who are we to read. I'm serious. I know the songs plus Bible studies .. what is there for truth.?

[@bethprather9241]

It isn't in the left behind. Tribulation is but not pre tribulation vs trib.. OK so what do u believe? Honestly I need a resource with the Bible

[@danielfitzpatrick4873]

I was sure Phil was gonna ask if it's a coincidence that "coronation" has "Corona" in it.

[@OneCareOne]

🤣🤣

[@bethprather9241]

It is oct, 2023 and it is so sickening and old news too maybe? But I want to puke... His entire version of 1/6 insurrection on the capital was so bad and all lies. Sad and a mess.

[@Magnulus76]

Zombie theology sums up Dispensationalism. There's hardly any serious theologians that actually are Dispensationalist anymore, and yet Dispensationalism seems to live on anyways.

[@waltercarmichael100]

So if Christian loves history, it would be helpful to remember both sides of the British Empire’s history of oppression around the entire world. It’s not just the fact that rich people are wearing fancy clothes having some sort of party to pick a leader instead of dissolving the Empire completely and making reparations to the oppressed countries.

[@patrickc3419]

Reparations…I don’t follow.. Like money? I guess I don’t understand who would, physically, be the person or persons to receive money, as well as from whom are they receiving it, on what specific basis, or what specific amount. ? Probably a better idea (as well as more loving) would be to give the Gospel rather than money, which is here today and gone tomorrow, yes? Similar to how Christians from nations such as Zambia, Iran, Uganda, & China need to come here to America (and to Canada as well) to proclaim the Gospel to a spiritually dead nation.

[@veggiet2009]

​@@patrickc3419 the gospel is super important yes, and who to give reparations to is a hard question to answer. But those two concepts are not against each other. You can give someone the gospel and seek to right wrongs

[@patrickc3419]

@@veggiet2009 If they are the ACTUAL, PHYSICAL, living people, I do not disagree one iota, i.e.: -Japanese Americans sent to internment camps. -I can’t imagine there could be any still alive, but another example: the Armenian genocide. But no, as far as fighting to abolish the evils of racism and chattel slavery, no one lead the charge for abolition more boldly that Christians (John Brown, John Newton, Williams Wilberforce, David Livingstone, the Puritans, Reformed Baptists, Presbyterians, Anglicans, etc.) Point of fact, Exodus 21:16 rightly commands the death penalty for “man stealing”.

[@falkinable]

The gospel had to be followed by actions. Absolutely agree with the reparations. Wealthy countries gained their wealth by exploiting those countries we call today "third world countries" or the "global south." That's the Christian thing to do but, they're not really Christian countries are they?

[@patrickc3419]

@@falkinable No, there are no Christian nations. Salvation is based on sovereign grace, not geography. Are you willing to provide a chapter and verse backing up what you shared?

[@skbarrett24]

Re Josh Butler piece: Have you talked to Josh Butler? It sounds like you are gossiping based on the opinions of others. Come on...please practice what you preach. I love the Holy Post...you really make me think... but this issue has not been fairly presented, in my opinion.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

There really isn’t much to say in his defense. It’s crass and sexist mythology that massively misunderstands how the biology works. If he wants to dig out of the hole he’s in, he’s going to have to admit he screwed up.

[@garryyoung3154]

Hello Susan,how’re you doing today?

[@dckmusic]

27:20 - exactly, Skye. Christianity is a form of virtue signaling by those in that camp. Quite disconnected from Christianity.

[@ShaunCKennedyAuthor]

I think Skye has an awesome idea! Let's change the pronouns for guns to "she/her."

[@Justanotherconsumer]

There’s a classic scene in Full Metal Jacket with R. Lee Ermey demanding that the recruits give their rifle a girl’s name.

[@redhen689]

Phil. Coronate comes from the same root as coronavirus and corona. 🌞

[@andrewduff2048]

The reason Romney lost and Trump won was that Romney ran against a generational talent in Obama who also had the major advantage of incumbency. Trump ran against what would of been the first woman President who is married to a former President who left office 16 years prior. People just didn’t like Hillary. It’s also hard for the same party to hold the office of President for 3 terms. I believe Romney would have won the popular vote in 2016.

[@andrewduff2048]

2016 was a fluke. Third parties won a lot of votes too. Trump was able to attract non-voters and the possibility of him winning wasn’t taken as seriously as it should have been for any nominee of the two parties so the fear of Trump in 2016 was way lower than it was in 2020 or will be in 2024.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

That Trump’s campaign was rooted in racism (birtherism and Obama “not a real American”) and that sexism meant Clinton had an uphill battle likely had strong effects on turnout of a very specific type of voter. Effective smear campaigns meant poor turnout for Dems too, as did overconfidence. Romney wasn’t going to motivate the people the GOP has become - as a Mormon he’s already at a disadvantage n the identity politics that dominate the GOP.

[@holylandfan3275]

Good grief. I’m a first (and last) time viewer. I’m only 4 minutes in and all I’ve heard is how to donate or how to buy hand soap and give you money. Jesus turned the tables over and rebuked the ones making merchandise if God. I’m done.

[@Nsaf_UKR]

Fyi you can skip it, that’s what i do to get to the interviews

[@holylandfan3275]

@@Nsaf_UKR When you’re mowing, or doing other things, and have it in your pocket with headphones, it’s nearly impossible to stop, take out your phone, and press skip. Plus, the amount of advertising for money here, is ridiculous.

[@Nsaf_UKR]

@@holylandfan3275 i thought you were meaning holy post had their own ads they were running themselves apart from the YT ads. I skip when Phil talks to his 2 friends and just skip right to they special guest. Best of luck to you, they also have a patreon that is a few dollars and you can watch the shows in their entirety plus bonus content for a few dollars. But lord knows i dont make enough to make that kind if recurring purchase

[@sherenejoseph]

I wonder what Skye will say if he happens to meet some of the British RF in heaven? I get that for the majority it’s more a cultural Christian symbolism with the coronation, but I’d like to believe that there might be people who do believe in Jesus and salvation. After all who are we to judge everyone? We make mistakes also. The RF did not ask for this production it’s life in a fish bowl like Skye said and they bring in tourism. The least we all could do is not be judgey and maybe pray for them? I mean we pray for all sorts of people! I felt sorry for Charles and all the expectation of him and the vitriol on social media. The whole nonsense of diversity for the sake of diversity in the social media feed was horrible. Harry could have left and kept his mouth shut! He is irrelevant apart from being the son of a monarch. They are only a constitutional monarchy but we really ought to be a little kinder to them.

[@Str20ng]

I couldn’t agree with you more. I find Skye’s almost profane loathing of the RF really off-putting. He sounded mean and hateful. I am seriously thinking of ending my subscription to this channel mainly on account of the biting sarcasm and lack of kindness that Skye regularly dishes out.

[@sherenejoseph]

@@Str20ng He is sarcastic a lot, and sometimes it's frustrating. I take a break every now and then:) I have appreciated podcasts the last few years, but one thing I have taken away from ALL podcasts is that it is super easy to sit in our chair and judge others, but it's very hard to walk the walk. I would love to find out if everyone on the podcast has a diverse group of friends and community, not just diversity in the teachers/ preachers/authors they interview. I am sure Kaitlyn does because she is much younger and is still at school. I do really, really like all the hosts. They seem like genuinely good people who are willing to learn, be open, and grow, but today's sarcasm on the RF was a little biting. As a person of Indian origin, I was raised by a grandmother who lived during QE2's reign. The colonial heritage runs strong in my generation of Indians, and India has nearly 1000 years of history when compared to the US. I agree that RF is human, makes mistakes, and is flawed like every other human on the planet. But we ought to be careful judging others. We do not know who they are inside their hearts, and last week on Patreon, in the segment Christian Asks - on whether non -Christians go to heaven - Skye had a much better-nuanced response. Today was disappointing.

[@gkeith64]

John Macarthur Hope for the remnant video 👊

[@sheilagirl70]

No thank you, not a fan.

[@gkeith64]

@@sheilagirl70 The message is what's important

[@patrickc3419]

@@sheilagirl70Literally the greatest biblical expositor of the 21st century. The greatest of the 20th century would have been Martyn Lloyd Jones, the 19th century would have been Charles Spurgeon, and before that would have been Martin Luther.

[@joemisek]

Folks, it's time to scale back the "American political scene" content. It's the same thing week after week, maybe with a new detail to kick off the topic. But it's the same narrative each time. System is broken, hypocritical Christian nationalists on one side, other side is very extreme, etc. etc. etc. Turn the entire discussion section into the "News of the Good" segment you had. We can assume all the bad news, but highlight how churches across the nation are doing good stuff to deal with problems. There are churches caring for the elderly, building tiny home communities for homeless, supporting single mothers, helping rehabilitate people from addictions, etc etc etc. Can we discuss issues big stories in Christian culture like the Josh Butler story? Of course. But do we need another 20+ minutes talking about the political Right and Left? It's getting redundant at this point.

[@makejesusgreatagain7220]

Seeing as how about a third of the country are fascists, or at least don't oppose fascism, I would say that it's not being talked about enough.

[@vallogan5492]

It must be nice to be able to wash your hands of the horrible things being done in the name of your church. Other people don't have that choice. There are people being hurt by all this. You don't have to watch any of this if you don't want to.

[@ryanclegg3727]

Strong disagree here

[@Lk4ahro]

Apostate christian bs.