563: How Rapture Theology Shaped America (Part 1)

[@tomsawyer5902]

Wow! This video really resonated with me. I grew up unchurched, so when I came to faith in my 30s, I was overwhelmed by these issues. I could write a book about my experience trying to find a church with all the demands and requirements for me to get re-baptized, speak in tongues, or accept the specific dogma of their church. I was crushed like an olive in the press, but all these things did was force me into the Scriptures and lean on Jesus and the CLEAR teachings of the Bible. As I grew in my faith, I found a new respect for church history. My chief complaint with dispensationalists is a disproportional fear of the Devil (i.e., Antichrist) rather than the fear of God. I also found their idea of a need for another temple in Israel to be anathema to the Person and Work of Jesus Christ. Even the most cursory reading of Hebrews should immediately dismiss this notion outright.

[@calynschnabel1519]

Private schools have no obligation (and often no capacity or willingness) to take students with learning disabilities, English Language Learners, or students with behavioral needs. There needs to be a quality, well funded public option for education. As for rigor, there is plenty of it in classrooms where teachers require students to put their phones away and engage.

[@emileesomers370]

As a public educator, AMEN! Comparing Christian to public schools is apples to oranges in many senses.

[@licoreen]

No easy solutions though. My husband teaches mild-moderate special ed for 6th-8th grade. Lots of poverty, neglect, past trauma, etc., which creates a bad vibe in the classroom. He says it's sad because there are some sweet, respectful kids in the program, but they get drowned out by the disruptive ones. Whenever he is called on to cover a coworker's mainstream class he says it's so different, because the kids behave so positively. :(

[@reenchanted]

A few thoughts on schools and Skye’s thoughts on loss of academic rigor: While I understand his concerns about being able to retake a test and being able to turn work in late for a reduced grade, I’m not sure these are as bad as he claims. In the case of late work, this is generally how work is in the real world. If you miss a deadline, you don’t often say “oops, guess I need to scrap this project completely” but you keep going until it gets done. As far as re-taking tests, I’m curious, too, which message to train into youth is better? 1. You failed your test of this subject matter and your need to do better next time on new subject matter if you want your grade to recover. 2. You failed to learn the lesson of this subject matter and need to understand it successfully before you can go onto new subject matter. It seems to me that while life doesn’t always allow us to fix our mistakes, the 2nd approach would foster a greater sense of responsibility to make things right before just giving up on a certain topic and saying “Oh well, I guess I’ll never understand algebra. Guess I’m just bad at math.” Finally, on the topic of open book tests, I’ll say what one of my college professors said. He said memorization can only take you so far. There is always new information to be learned, so that far better skill is being able to find and apply the information than simple memorizing everything. Research is a skill. And it’s as important as rote memorization, if not more.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

Knowing where to look it up is often as good as knowing it… but not always. In a medical setting a nurse has time to look up what the normal ranges are for a low neutrophil count, but a low blood pressure is something that can require immediate recognition to prevent, well, death.

[@bixles]

Exactly, not to mention the fact that subject matter in school often builds on previous learning. If a child fails a test and you just move on, that child will struggle with anything that builds on those skills. If they continue to learn the concept until they can pass the test, they're more prepared for future learning.

[@hapennysparrow]

About being able to turn in late work, retake tests etc. Is because of the demands of entitled parents. I worked in publuc education for nearly 30 years, and experienced the rage of a demanding parent when their child did poorly in a test or faced consequences for late or missing assignments. One poor teacher I work beside was forced to change several students' grades, just over a progress report. The parents wanted her head served on a plate. This is the reason accountability for completion of assignments has changed.

[@adamrshields]

One of the problems of discussions of schooling is that it is mainly being done outside of objective evidence. Admitting that evidence over time is problematic because of the decentralized nature of public education, feelings about school are not accurate in looking at the broad perspective of education within the US. This is similar to crime perception. Most people think education is a disaster, but when you look at all students, and not small subgroups (upper-income whites, for instance), graduation rates and subject area tests are mostly improved, and many are near record highs. Part of the issue is people disagree with some of the curriculum changes. But that is more than just "kids are being taught the wrong things." Much of that is about differences in perspective of what will best prepare students on the whole for later life. Historically, small subgroups may have had a better education, but today's goal is to educate all, not just some. And that goal is actually difficult but made harder when people do not want to work for the education of all. Evidence shows that part of the problem is parent perception of education when racial minorities are in a school. I was personally told by a real estate agent that I should not look at a particular house because it had bad schools, and the agent directly said it had too many immigrants and black students. At the time, my mother-in-law was the principal of that school, and it was an excellent and award-winning school. But perception, rooted in racial dynamics, impacted how it was perceived, impacting who went to the school and how it was supported by the community. (this wasn't my real estate agent, we just wandered into an open house.)

[@falkinable]

The kicker or irony is that the US leads public education research around the world. Other countries adopt the research but not us.

[@bethprather9241]

Thank you... As a public school teacher half the crap I've heard..Isn't being taught everywhere. Until u all really know?? Don't make huge statements. It is BS mostly well where I am from anyway..

[@elbryant1226]

Here in my state (Missouri), the lawmakers who are advocating for choice have clearly stated they want public schools to die/go away. These same lawmakers are also pushing for the banning of so-called CRT, and anything that addresses diversity, equity, and inclusion. In light of hyper-conservative dominance in some state general assemblies there has also been an increase in a sort of seven mountains Christian dominionism.

[@greglogan7706]

Skye's discussion regarding paganism and Christianity is worth the price of this podcast that's quite interesting to reflect on and then push those boundaries further

[@innercartography]

His observations on the superstitious, totemic aspects of modern, US Christianity were thought-provoking.

[@andrewduff2048]

School vouchers are basically a way to kick the can and to point fingers. The problem is a lack of adequate classrooms. Vouchers would either only let a very small percentage of kids into the better school or it would crowd the better schools. It would shift blame away from the political system (which has chosen to fund schools with local property taxes which is highly regressive) and on parents who just didn’t take advantage of opportunity. Also, private schools don’t have to serve the people that public schools do and it’s more expensive to serve kids with special needs and non-English speakers. The fact that school vouchers can work for a few distracts from more systemic solutions like every school receiving the same amount of money per child.

[@hapennysparrow]

Public Education has been targeted by thr Religious Right Nationalist leaders as dangerous and subversive. In the early 1980's it was the New Agers that we needed to fear. The schools were 'packed with New Ager teachers promoting devil worship." Frank Peretti novels reinforced the panic, and stupidly, I got swept up in the hysteria. I put my two first graders into Cornerstone Christian Accademy, and myself taught the K-1 class. The kids were given workbooks which I quickly identified as being propagandistic for a Theocratic Nationalist world view. The world was viewed with deep suspicion, a devil behind every institution not overtly " Christian." Ronald Reagan was sitting in the Oval Office eating in jelly beans, while democratic institutions were being dismantled by the Religious Right leaders, insinuating their agenda into politics. Fear was the mechanism by which these Moral Majority leaders coerced the average church goer into adopting their world view as the only litigimate faith expression. After only a week spent as teacher in my classroom. I became alarmed. What was impressed upon children was a toxic brew of racism, white washed history, anti science nonsense, and a learning style of just spitting back out whatever the workbook stated as truth. My own two children in the second grade were not taught to write, express original thought, or engage creativity. I could not swallow the indoctrination and pulled my K-1 charges off their workbooks, sat them in a semi circle and taught them creative story telling, arm chair traveling to learn about other cultures, hands on manipulatives to teach math concepts, took nature walks and teaching basic science. We learned a better Thanksgiving narrative, took them to a native American's friends home, where she taught the kids about the lives the Native peoples, their culture, foods, customs, and fed them a feast of native foods. She was a believer, by the way. I taught a home economics class on Friday' afternoons at my house. The girls learned nutrition, cooking, home decorating, grooming, putting on a period fashion show, and party planning. Out of the restrictive environment of the school, the girls opened up to me about their real time struggles, things that concerned them, and found in me a listener who did not judge. This church school majored on minors straining at gnats and swallowed camels. Bizarro World. When parents learned that a divorced woman was teaching their children, they called for my dismissal. I allowed my children to remain in the school for the remainder of the school year, but reviewed their lessons at home with them to correct faulty indoctrination. Being a reader, we read books, some of which Ron DeSantis would classify as banned. My love of learning and literature fired their imaginations, and they are all book lovers. I pulled them out of that toxic setting and enrolled them into public schools. They were a year behind academically and I worked hard with them to get them caught up. They all went on to become honor students, and then on to higher education. One son teaches High School English. They are all responsible adults and good citizens. For myself, I became employed at a Middle School working with learning disabled students, then in the local High School. In all of the classrooms in which I supported my SPED students, I never encountered a teacher who wasn't fully dedicated, or lax about academic expectations. They universally saw their job as teaching kids to think, analyze, critique, and write.History teachers exposed the students to many points of view, and had them compare and contrast differing world views. I saw teachers who worked hard to educate kids from diverse economic backgrounds. Teachers are not paid enough for the enormity of qualifications required, the level of education, and the day in and day out responsibilities of imparting knowledge. Privatization of schools excludes lower income families, tears down teachers unions ( which are absolutely essential to educators) and can select curriculum that reinforces a particular world view, often presenting a skewed picture of reality. As far as sex education, notices are sent home to parents allowing them to opt out their children from participation, which is what I did in order to give them a moral grounding and addressing the responsibility to relate to sex in a healthy context. Support public schools. Do not believe the fear based rhetoric beamed at you from pulpits and "News" sources. Many teachers in public education are themselves strong Christians. Sorry this is so long. I really enjoyed hearing the panel's discussions on the subject and obviously feel strongly about it. Thanks for that.

[@musicappreciate]

Boy am I glad you posted-

[@patrickc3419]

What does Ronald Reagan have to do with anything? He legalized the murder of unborn children while governor of California, legalized no fault divorce as governor of California, was heavily involved in astrology & spiritualism, supported homosexuality, granted amnesty to millions of individuals who broke federal immigration laws, hardly ever attended a church service, and raised two morally and spiritually bankrupt children.

[@musicappreciate]

We’re is substitute teachers, and we are of the fire and brimstone variety Christian, of course we seek compassion but dominionism is a heresy worth exposing

[@uriah768ok]

While the idea that teaching morals and values should be left to the family and not schools is a idealistic view at best. Many families are a mess, with rampant divorce and disconnection from the everyday lives of children. Add to that the fact that the teaching of values and morals has been deferred to the schools (an impossible task, by the way) as parents kick that responsibility to the curb, and well, you see where I am going. As someone who has been in higher education for over thirty years, I can tell you there is no real solution here. What I do know is I live in a deeply red state with a State Secretary of Education who wants to turn public schools into right-wing, Christian Nationalist training centers, and I fear for the future. I am one who is tired of my faith continuing to be used as a weapon to exploit and enrage the mob for the purpose of obtaining and maintaining political power. Lord, have mercy on us. Also, the discussion with Hummel was fantastic. I have studied a lot of this history, but Hummel brings it all together in a literate, down-to-earth way. I cannot wait to read the book! Keep up the great work! God bless!

[@hapennysparrow]

I am in agreement with everything you just expressed. I too am disgusted with the use of Faith as a cudgel to grab power and control. This is not true Christianity. This is about dominion, under the guise of Kingdom. I have been spiritually homeless since 2015. Church became so toxic, and I could no longer bite my tongue, so in prayer groups I spoke out my concern. I was called Marxist, and ordered to leave. I shook the dust off my feet and have not looked back. The Holy Post has been a refuge of sorts, a comfort that not all Christians are off their nut. Please read Jeff Sharlets excellent books," The Family," and "The Undertow." He has also written and produced a documentary with five episodes on " The Family." It gave me chills. "Jesus and John Wayne," by Kristin DuMez is another helpful read in understanding the how and why of what we have witnessed. Also Anne Nelson's "The Shadow Network," takes the reader beneath the surface to see the key players and their strategies to grasp power. Truely terrifying. I hope you find peace in Jesus. We must keep our eyes on Him.

[@andrewduff2048]

The lack of rigor in public schools is really a result of parent complaining. Maybe teachers shouldn’t cave to the pressure on them but their job is probably already hard enough with strained relations with parents. I haven’t heard of any solution for this but there must be something to do.

[@rebeccarobinson8180]

I'm a public school teacher at a lower income school in one of the country's wealthiest areas and Phil absolutely gets it right on education! He took the words right out of my mouth as I was listening. Instead of investing in the public school in their neighborhood, so many parents take their kids out and put them in Catholic and private academies. While there are valid reasons, these students miss the opportunity to study alongside a more diverse peer group. As a product of a diverse public school, I learned invaluable lessons about how to live and work alongside people who differ from me in the areas of culture, religion, socioeconomic status, and overall worldview, and I would suffer greatly without these skills. But most importantly, public schools allow our country's most vulnerable students the opportunity to break out of the cycle of poverty through the power of education. As Christians it's so easy for us to support missions work overseas while not realizing that many of our political views harm our most vulnerable children right here on our own soil. School choice threatens the existence of these important safety nets for children, and if anything we should be putting more money into our public schools to retain and adequately pay teachers who continue to advocate for all children.

[@amy-suewisniewski6451]

I am really curious what is considered pushing beliefs on the left. I am NOT saying it doesn't happen, I just feel like when these discussions come up we have concrete examples of what the religious right want - The ten commandment posters, don't say gay bill, book bans, etc - but I don't really understand what the concrete examples are on the left. It sounds to me like, for the most part, all they're trying to do is acknowledge that LGBTQ people exist and to treat them like any other person. Now, again, I could be wrong! But I don't know what the specific things they're doing actually are that are over the line. Public school is going to have all kinds of people in it and you can't prevent kids from even knowing that gay or trans people exist, or that there was slavery and racism. Some of their classmates are going to be LGBTQ+ or have a history directly affected by racism, or else some of their parents are. They're going to talk to eachother and directly interact with these people. Reading a book about gay penguins or purple people to kindergarten kids doesn't make kids gay or hate themsleves for being white, it just let's them know gay people exist and racism happens and the standard for the public school is not to hate others. I'm canadian and not in the US system so I going by what I hear in the news and talked about online. That's why I'm not saying the left doesn't go to far or it doesn't happen, I'm just having a hard time understanding what specifically they're doing.

[@gracelit]

As someone who made the jump from private Christian education to public schools, this was a tough listen, especially in the last month of school. Few people see how broken our country is as the staff of your local public schools

[@michaelharrington8401]

You are right. I have 4 public school teachers in my family. Their daily stories are terrifying. The kids are NOT all right and with no support from parents the teachers have NO chance. The edge of the cliff is near.

[@Anabee3]

Same. 😢 and arent the 10 commandments present & discussed with kids in Christian homes by 5yo anyway?? Adultery is so easily kid sized (e.g: means you can't have gf/bf anymore. It doesn't have to be explained in sexual terms). I would think the veggie tale guy would consider the rated G options.

[@TheGretsch6120]

Phil, THANK YOU FOR GETTING IT ABOUT EDUCATION!!! How refreshing from an evangelical. I'll be praying for you for all the people calling you "woke" and coming at you at church. ;-)

[@justsomethoughts8960]

"When they've lost me..." Skye is showing once again that he isn't the centrist he wants to think of himself as. As someone who went through the public school system much more recently than he did, he's totally off base. Teachers aren't teaching 7 year olds to question their own pronouns- they're trying to teach kids that it's important to respect people different from them. They do this, all while bending over backward not to offend Christians- since in my experience, the Christian kids were the only group of people who demanded that teachers change their lessons because something went against their beliefs.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

Popular conservativism is so bonkers that it’s easy to forget that there are other conservatives who are still conservatives without being amazingly…. extra.

[@alexs1359]

It's so obvious that Skye gets his news primarily from sources just downstream of Fox, but thinks he's a centrist because he didn't vote for Trump and isn't totally on board with guns everywhere at all times. But the way he speaks really isn't that different - certainly not much kinder - than the average Trumper. Given that he was an evangelical pastor for a while, perhaps that's to be expected.

[@-_-DAVe]

​@Alex S13 come again?? Sorry not sure whether I should take your statement as trolling or honest held belief, if it's the first... well played you got yourself a reaction, if it's the second then I'm sorry you can't differentiate between extremist and moderate views, making you a product of a 2 system, black and white state.

[@alexs1359]

@@-_-DAVe No, I'm completely serious. Maybe he's not literally a white supremacist like most Republicans seem to be, but he's definitely not a moderate, either. He's very solidly conservative.

[@israelmacario3853]

The schools are being attacked by religious people that are being supported by churches who want taxpayer money to build their own schools. Teachers are doing are a great job under extreme circumstances. Trans gender issues are taught in schools because families don't talk about it, the teaching about trans issues is providing education.

[@hapennysparrow]

My son, who teaches High School English, recently had a student of his confess to him after class that she is trans, and terrified to tell her intolerant parents. She admitted to suicidal feelings. There are 4 councelors to meet the needs of 2,700 students. These situations are real issues that need addressing. Teachers have to be therapists additionally to teaching the curriculum. They need our support. Its a tough job.

[@patrickc3419]

I don’t follow what you mean; there is no such thing as a “trans gender” person; there are simply males…or females… You knew that, right? I think it’s even in the Bible, Genesis 1:27..

[@RosannaDAgnillo]

Really appreciated Skye's take on pagan attitudes in Christianity. I hadn't thought of this before. A very important point missed in this discussion: paganism is likely on the rise among white people whose families previously identified as Christian. They have moved away from Christianity for the single reason that the body of Christ en masse is apostate: corrupt, hypocritical, so far from the beautiful teachings of Jesus, that many people who long for an authentic, meaningful spirituality cannot abide the blind hypocrisy and have moved on for searching for something heartful. Sure there are pockets of truth, beauty and sanity like this podcast, but American evangelicals en masse reject science, reject global warming, think it's okay to trash the planet because Jesus will save us anyway, believe the earth is flat and young, hate more people than they love, are suspicious of demonism in brother and sister, rather than practicing the Golden rule, protect genocide of First Peoples, white supremacy and misogyny, spend a lot of time yelling and hating and judging, are not self-conscious of their behavior individually or as a group, basically lack any psychological, emotional, or spiritual maturity, and are often hoodwinked by the current political propaganda machine. This is so far removed from the teachings of Jesus, it is completely disgusting and alienating. It is a job of Christian deconstructionists to model the teachings of Jesus in order to renew hope in these people who have moved on BECAUSE the body of Christ has become too corrupt.

[@Xaforn]

Unfortunately the majority of Christianity that most people are exposed too are organizations aka businesses. Very different from independent believers who have studied and seek to be kind to others etc.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

Animals sometimes have X and Y, but sometimes have other systems. Chickens have a ZZ/ZW system, for example. Genetics is not the identity-defining absolute that popular imagination has made it out to be. Biology is more complex than that.

[@hereticus40]

Rapture discussion begins at about 58:33.

[@MGM-ru7oj]

I grew up in this belief and have had a hard time accepting the rapture…pre-millennium doctrine. A lot of scriptures are used to support this belief. I just want to say thanks for this podcast message. I look forward hearing part 2❤

[@daviddufty9759]

13:34 "Can you think of anywhere else that aliens came?" - District 9: They came to South Africa and got put in slums.

[@amy-suewisniewski6451]

I'm canadian so I can't really comment on the climat of public schools on the US. I understand the concerns you're talking about academically - but I do question if you're really looking at the big picture. What constitutes as "intelligence" over the years has changed and will continue to change and education and teaching styles should change with it as we learn more. It can certainly be alarming to witness how different it is, and I'm sure there are things being done in education that will ultimately end up being harmful down the road... I'm just not sure taking a test, open book tests or handing in a late assignment is one of them. Ultimately we're getting an education to learn the material and be able to understand it, find it, and apply it. If you fail a test but retake it and can demonstrate that you have that ability, whats the difference? Other than that they didn't do it in a short and limited time frame but a slightly longer one? If you're worried about accountabilty, it still exists. Even if you get an extension on an assignment or redo a test, you still have to do it by a certain date or fail the course, its not indefinite. You often still have to ask for those extensions and do the work of communicating. Realistically all students are giving themsleves is maybe a few extea weeks of time to learn something. And this is exactly how the real world and working world opperate. Yes there are hard deadlines, but what company hasn't had to have a time extension on a project? Who hasn't had to make up a missed appointment by scheduling another one? Who hasnt had to look up an obscure piece if information they once learned but can't completely recall? You can't just show up to an open book test and pass it without understanding the materials and knowing what you're looking for and how to apply it. I wonder if all we really accomplish by making super strict deadlines in school is making people pay extra to retake a course that they otherwise could have been able to pass with another chance to hand in assignment past deadline (that they were still penalized for with lower grades). Is that really proving they're educated? If they had done the assignment a week before on time it means they know the principles and understand the concepts more than if they did it a few weeks after? Furthermore the scope of technology is changing. We now have AI that writes essasys and assignments for us. I'm not saying we don't need to write essays anymore, but very soon we are going to have to start changing how we measure and prove intelligence. And thats not a bad thing! Just like we have with every other innovation, we as a species CAN integrate it and adapt. Writing essays to a strict deadline and completing a test focused primarily on your ability to recall information in a locked room with no assistance for 3 hours may no longer be the best skills to give people or the best way to measure understanding. Again, im not saying that there isn't problems with the system or that there won't be negative consequences. There always has been and always will be. I just don't think this is the main problem.

[@deas9410]

Something I think not being discussed is kids access to information via the internet and social media. People assume teachers are “indoctrinating” kids, but it’s social media! So no matter the setting if they have access they can learn, research other ways of life.

[@patrickc3419]

It is fair to say it is both secular public schools and social media, be it tv or KZbin or anything else. Case in point one simple example: Every single television sitcom features what? The “stupid, clueless, silly Dad”.

[@niqhtt]

As a jr higher teacher cell phones are basically cancer. I'd love to take them up from students and put them through a wood chipper.

[@kevinwillems8720]

It's also telling that people see letting kids know different ways of doing things as indoctrination

[@JohnThomas-ut3go]

I'm not sure I'm gonna hold much stock in their opinion over how education should be done over teachers methods. None of them are professional educators. At least outside of a church environment. I'm in there age range. The methods back then were not great. Change isn't bad just because it's not what they experienced. Heck, back then you vould still get graded for late work at lower over all grade, they had open book test too, they allowed 3x5 and larger index cards of notes to be used, etc. I could put nearly a whole chapter from a text book on a 3x5. We were taught to regurgitate information for test. We immediately forgot most of that information and what we didn't has faded over the years. Education isn't that much different. They took some of the stress off. There are nations who's education ranks higher than the US's and who's public schools ate less rigorous. Stress and trauma does not equal quality education. Nor quality adults.

[@melissafollis8281]

The problems with public school are myriad, largely from people who aren't educators being the decision-makers. Vouchers will not solve the problem. It will just pull even more resources from already strapped districts. Public schools are the only places that are required to provide the education and resources that ALL children have a right to. The disabled and financially disadvantaged will continue to need the public schools. That means the children needing the most resources will still be at the schools who would have even less ability to care for them. This of course would affect the ability of those students to become functional adults. How is this not akin to eugenics? Public schools should be evidence based, prioritizing academics over elite sports. A similar quality of education should be provided in every district, only varying for the needs of their student population. Educators and child development specialists, not politicians or corporations, should be guiding curriculum. There should be some accountability/oversight, but it shouldn't be that teachers are having to teach to a test over general education. And education shouldn't be to create workers to the exclusion of everything else. Yes, becoming productive adults is part of it, but it should enhance their overall wellbeing.

[@complexmindsimpleman6642]

Christian shares her education has been private and therefore better yet she is constantly at a loss for other cultures, ideas, etc. Time to reconsider "better"

[@1992grandma]

About Skye's commentary on Public schools academic decline I'm much agree with it. Along with the teachers and their Union. I have a daughter who is a high school teacher and also involved in the Union. What I would like for Skye to know is that he is putting the blame on the wrong people and group. The teachers that I know of are highly upset, especially about this retesting and homework can be turned in at any time. Who is for these changes, and others are the administrators and state legislators. ( we are in a red state) I'm hoping that you would research it further and find this out. Many teachers are leaving the profession, retiring because of the rules and regulations they're being put on them like how to score and grade students. And not being allow to hold the students accountable when it comes to their behavior. It's a tragedy, and that is now the teachers feel.

[@impalaman9707]

"I'll Fly Away" is probably the first of the early spiritual songs that comes to mind when thinking of songs that were influenced by pre-millenial theology---because when you're raptured, you are literally "flying away"

[@jenna2431]

Rapture has created a whole group of people who could give a rat's behind about their human footprint in the world, in their life. Yeah, life is what you have to put up with NOW, but good times are right ahead when even gravity won't hold you down. They never consider what happens to the happy giggling group of kids on their way to school when their bus driver magically vanishes, that chatty laughter becoming screams of terror as the bus careens into oncoming traffic, only to be eerily silenced as ravaged bleeding bodies quietly lie in the twist of mangled steel. That doesn't matter ONE MINUTE to Christians, whose deepest greed is lit by rapture "They DESERVED IT." You won't find a more self-absorbed group of people than rapturist Christians. They get their "reward" and screw everybody else - is their mantra. If they REALLY believed this mess they wouldn't be involved in any career where they have direct care of other human beings. All they actually see is ESCAPE from their lives.

[@wilfredmancy]

I often wondered what a premillennialist was. Today I discovered I am one, without the rapture, just rising to meet Christ in the air then descending again to rule with him a thousand years. It is amazing what one learns when one listens to the erudite.

[@yabits]

I hope people will consider that our model of education was developed for a society that was largely agrarian and then later manufacturing (industrial) centric. We entered the information age sometime around the 50s/60s -- and that has propelled the internet, then social media, and now AI to the fore. Does anyone believe we're ready to handle that?

[@Theinternalrewrite]

Another reason to home school - shootings. Federal funding and curriculum to equalize schools across the state would help with the education standards and address indoctrination. A free market system only works if the customers can recognise quality and afford it. But nothing is being done to stop the proliferation of guns in society.

[@simonspeechley2859]

If you check Queen Elizabeth's coronation invitation - there isn't a lot of Christian symbolism there either.

[@brianwells990]

13:01 -- Phil, Phil Phil. Have you forgotten Bumblyburg? Where the Fib from outer space landed?

[@bethprather9241]

In ky we worked our butt off to be ranked 5th in 2016. Common core needed help and problems but Rigor was an absolute part of it.... Huge push

[@wilfredmancy]

I left school in 1959 and probably didn't know what an essay was. I think we called them compositions in Australia, and they were my least favorite thing to do. May be I did write essays in high school, but didn't realise what I was doing. They were the days when one could leave school and get a job where readin', writin', an' 'rithmetic was good enough. Aah the good old days! It brings tears to my eyes, how hard it seems to be now days. Then maybe I was born into privilege, we were farmers and the great post war boom was happening. Fun and opportunity was everywhere.

[@netteofthetaureans]

I was a child who didn’t trust my family & so I asked my fav teacher some things. She explained but from her viewpoint which I realized in my 30’s did not align with those I was forming. My question is, who do you suggest they speak to if that person is not you? I’m convinced we have only a elementary level of what “Christianity” is.

[@complexmindsimpleman6642]

Wow. Christian just asked why poor people don't start their own schools. Very revealing. In our most unguarded moments the heart speaks

[@patrickc3419]

That is actually a very good idea. Poor families suffer the most from government funded indoctrination centers (more commonly known as public schools). Not everyone has the financial means to be able to send their children to a private school, or is able to make home school a feasibility. I am aware that charter schools are commonly a Plan B, but they tend to use a lottery system and can be very difficult to get in to. This is one of numerous ways in which the church in America is failing. A far more financially and biblically wise way to spend funds is for the local church to start from scratch private schools, not silly VBS, Awana, or the latest sound system. Find out what is required by your state, acquire theologically sound learning materials, and do it. It doesn’t need to be big. My kids’ graduating classes are going to be about 13 and 10, respectively!

[@David_Burt_Art]

Seems like a bad faith attack on her character based on an incomplete summary of what she said, especially when the following dialogue explores why this might be a bad idea.

[@complexmindsimpleman6642]

@@David_Burt_Art it wasn't bad faith. It was an assessment of what she blurted out taken in context with other points she has raised in this and other sessions. She strikes me as a decent person with what she considers good intent. Well, good intentions improperly thought out by people with influence or power have held disastrous consequences downstream for those subject to those ideas. Phil summarized it quite well. She asked that question and presented the free market as a solution. Common conservative thinking. Well, where will the free market go? What motivates it? How has it performed for poor and vulnerable communities so far? Poor people can't build an effective alternative to public school because they are poor! Separate but equal anyone? Behind the guise of free market, primarily the white Evangelical community is pushing hard to return to a form of apartheid, wealth equals power, minority rule. And whenever minority communities have dared to go it alone and build despite imposed segregation, that same base that imposed the division has come to destroy it. Tulsa, Rosewood, Lake Lanier (Oscarville), The Black Panther Party, CORE, MOVE, etc, etc. My issue is less with Christian and more with what her naivete or narrow perspective has and will continue to allow. So-called Christian ideologues have held the market on private and home school since desegregation. Now those same people want to take over public school? Why? To convert by command instead of convert by convincing

[@patrickc3419]

@@complexmindsimpleman6642Can you please provide an example/instance of Christians (again of CHRISTIANS) attempting to construct apartheid, segregation, or the “destruction of black peoples”? Horrific incidents like Rosewood were carried out by violent criminals who should have been executed.

[@makejesusgreatagain7220]

​​@@patrickc3419 nice "No True Scotsman" you have there. To paraphrase C.S. Lewis, we can't truly know whether someone is a Christian in the spiritual sense, so it's a useless word if we try to use it in that way. It's better to use the word Christian to mean a professed follower of Jesus and His teachings. Do some lie? Do some fail horrendously? Yes. Still the best we have though.

[@persesrathert8324]

The authors idea that premellenial dispensationalist were going to throw blacks under the bus is just not true. To us a soul is a soul.

[@yabits]

At minute 50, Phil mentions the bible in the classroom. Putting on my secular hat, I can agree with this under that condition that the bible is subject to open inquiry just as any other book brought into a class. Some of the world's most influential agnostics were Jesuit-trained.

[@jonellmays-conyers7911]

I’m pretty sure the defunding of public education over the last 50+ years plays a part in the quality of the education our kids get now.

[@schrecksekunde2118]

the 4 members of the Anglican church can write Charles about the green man but i doubt that would impress 😁

[@RosannaDAgnillo]

Phil, I've really appreciated learning from you Just what lengths white American Christians have gone through to distract focus away from race. The only logical conclusion of any true Christian review of race mandates total equality without reservation.

[@patrickc3419]

I don’t follow what you mean; is Christ’s death for sin insufficient for people based on the amount of melanin in their skin surface? I’m legitimately confused by what you meant..

[@makejesusgreatagain7220]

​@@patrickc3419 true justice means righting the previous wrongs of society, including the effects of racism.

[@RosannaDAgnillo]

Sounds like you are "confusing" yourself on deliberately to start a purposeless argument. Not interested. Think and speak heartfully rather than with the intention of sewing discord.

[@patrickc3419]

@@RosannaDAgnillo No, I’m dead serious! I wasn’t sure if there was a different standard of salvation based on someone’s ethnicity (I say ethnicity because race is a manmade concept. It doesn’t exist). Don’t call me Shirley, but surely pigmentation doesn’t play a role in justification before God, no?? So can you tell me, what is the Gospel?

[@makejesusgreatagain7220]

@@patrickc3419 this isn't about spiritual salvation in the first place. It's about justice for all people, who have been made in the image of God.

[@innercartography]

I felt surprised and grateful when Skye began talking about the conceits surrounding paganism. Currently I'm reading a book about the Camino de Santiago, in which the author expends a great deal of energy casting the history of the Camino as a battle between a nurturing, wholesome earth Goddess and a usurping, patriarchal "sky god." While reading I keep asking myself the questions Skye raised: if this goddess were so wonderful and the communities centered upon her so idyllic, why did it go away? What would the invading power stand to gain? Was this goddess overthrown and replaced out of sheer, self-destructive spite? While puzzling through this, I am finding the resentment/resistance of the author toward the Camino's Catholic history ironic. Modern paganism seems to present an alternative Eden story. The mythic era of perfection was a community of matriarchal, nature-worshiping harmony, and the spoilsport in their garden, rather than a serpent, was patriarchy. In fairness, this alternative (if I read it correctly) makes about as much innate sense as the Bible's account. Where in Christianity we might ask, "but why would Adam or Eve eat from the Tree when everything was perfect," and we can only answer with tautologies (humans sinned because humans are sinful), in this other story the answer is just as unsatisfying: "I guess because men."

[@lish916]

Phil, your voice always gives me such a sense of security and your humor makes everything better no matter what ❤️ I love you!❤️

[@andrewzook8648]

I thought I knew a lot about Darby before this... nope, I learned a whole lot more about the guy and his movement. Thanks Mr Hummel! (and Phil for bringing this content to us)

[@fmoovmkr]

Skye Easter was moved to a Gregorian calendar to match lunar something or other specifically not to follow Passover. Now coincidentally some years they do fall together. But oftentimes they can be weeks apart

[@Andre-qo5ek]

from my experience there is no anti-religion push from inside schools. there is simply no place in a public education for religion. each person is free to have their own religious journey at their own pace without the influence of ANYONE around them. IMO, religion ought to be your found family, your chosen family, not state taught. public schools are for teaching students the different literacies (Digital literacy, Media literacy, Recreational literacy, Disciplinary literacy, Civic literacy, Information literacy, Functional literacy, Content literacy, Early literacy, Developmental literacy, Critical literacy), the scientific method, Mathematics, Cultural exposure, world news, current events, the humanities. in general the frameworks needed to come to solutions, with those solutions being open ended enough to allow further progress if a better solutions comes around. but lets not pretend schools are doing that. in my case good parenting guided what i come home with from school. i also have to thank my very good teachers to give me good frameworks. the rigor of the schools at the end of the day comes down to the community around the school. the teachers the parents AND the students desire to learn at a "rigorous" level. ( and this is the desire and the material ability to actually focus on that education)

[@davidpolk6373]

As a former Christian I hope this doesn’t come across as anything negative. With that being said why do Christians feel like they can’t coexist with other faiths why do I have to abide by your religious beliefs. It’s one thing if it would get me into "heaven" but I don’t believe in heaven nor do I believe in Jesus so how making me follow your rules help anything except make you feel better?

[@VanceRussell11]

Thank you. Please keep exposing the harm cause by the lies of the secret rapture interpretations.

[@WeirdEducator]

Skye, as a public school teacher, I place the blame for a lot of what you identified on parents. It’s parents who are knocking on the principal’s door and complaining that their child’s teachers are too strict or don’t provide enough opportunities to turn in missing work or retake tests. Eventually, this becomes policy at the district level by bureaucrats and School Board members who think they’re responding to parents’ concerns. Walk into any staff lounge and you’ll hear teachers saying the exact same thing. When it comes to rigor, we have district administrators who have removed reading novels in the classroom and have imposed pacing guides that neglect essay writing and focus more on opinion writing. They do this because parents and the public have complained that it’s unfair for teachers to read novels or write essays because it makes the poor writers or readers feel bad about themselves. So, I can go on and on, but parents need to take some responsibility and policy makers need to take responsibility- and all y’all need to start listening to teachers who have been waving the red flag about the decline in student behavior and student academic performance.

[@persesrathert8324]

I think you are missing a huge part of the picture. Parents want their students to learn history, reading, mathematics, and science. Instead, they are taught things only parents should be teaching. School has no business teaching sex education which these days include sexual identities. Look at the abysmal reading statistics of the country.

[@sheawhitman7028]

What about those who want specialty charter schools like foreign language, arts, science, etc? I want to point out the The Netherlands has choice education and it’s done pretty well. It’s on a much smaller scale so I’m sure it can’t be equally replicated but it’s something to at least examine.

[@veggiet2009]

I'm glad Phil picked up on the implication in the wording of the invitation that they welcome your animals and they want them clothed

[@persesrathert8324]

The pope invited all sorts of people to pray. I don't recall clothing being a part of the discussion.

[@persesrathert8324]

Dispensationalism begins in the Bible.

[@stimmons86]

"If I was a listener, I would be really depressed right now..." Yeah.... ☹

[@tonythelibrarian]

The discussion on public schools was interesting. I would like to suggest that much of the percieved problems that Christians may see in the Public school system is there 1) as a reaction against the the last 100 years of white evangelicals attacking and undermining the Public School system eg we have people are respondining in the manner we treated them. 2) The witthdrawl of Christians to either teachers or families out of Public Schools has had a negative effect eg salt and light. We often talk about the elite on the left, but we put our kids in private schools creating a fiscal and social elite.

[@jonellmays-conyers7911]

Why can’t we as parents just have conversations with our kids when they come home from school and clarify anything that doesn’t fit with our family’s beliefs and values.

[@stewartloggins811]

Super interesting interview!

[@Courage10.18]

Education: Teach academics, with deadlines because that’s real world, and RESPECT for every human and the world around you. Suddenly, if I have respect, racism, all human rights, care for the environment and the world becomes *automatic*

[@Justanotherconsumer]

That’s assuming we actually want to fix racism. Denying that it’s a problem is frustratingly common.

[@Courage10.18]

@@Justanotherconsumer technically there is nothing to *fix* if we teach respect and then live it. I am a white girl who played stickball in the street of Lynwood CA. My cousin and I were seriously the only whites playing. WE DIDN’T CARE. We were having too much fun to worry about skin color. And when the riots of 1992 happened and everything around us was burned down it was our friends around us who took care of us and protected us. Because we had mutual respect for each other and built relationship with one another out of that respect. No racism, no “white privileged”. Respect and Friendship

[@musicappreciate]

True that God doesn’t need us. Why then does he command us to serve Him?

[@garygresham1115]

The effect of premillenial dispensationalism on the American church is hard to comprehend. And hard to spell.

[@76JStucki]

Not a dispensationalist for a variety of reasons. But I also cannot subscribe to traditional Covenant Theology, aka Replacement Theology. If the Covenant with Israel is void, we have much bigger theological problems than the Rapture.

[@bethprather9241]

Your sons experience isn't everywhere. So.. yes be picky if possible. All kids deserve an education.

[@T-41]

High pressure on teaching staffs from much, much stronger focus in schools today to teach to maximize scores on standardized tests. Ubiquitous smart phones and social media create lots more distractions and turmoil than earlier generations dealt with. Active shooter drills , guns and guns in schools now a fact modern schools have to deal with. Relentless criticism from culture warrior parents and politicians. Increasingly frustrated and discouraged , experienced teachers leaving the profession, sometimes mid school year when a new career opportunity becomes available. There is lots more going on besides pronouns.

[@HonestLeighSpeaking]

While I agree that God doesn’t need us, Sky may not realize it but his comments may have offended Orthodox Jews and Christian history. We were told to put the blood of the land on the door and many Jews have scriptures on the door as a blessing. Great show tho. As per usual

[@steveunger8249]

It would be good if these teachers/researchers who produce these videos would give a brief background of their denominational influence.

[@livingpicture]

Hey, Phil - just a thought on the comments about 47-48 min in on 10 commandments: you can talk about adultery without talking about sexuality. Just seems to me you could leave the sexuality out ... until you bring in what Jesus said about when someone is actually committing sin, because a murder didn't start when someone picked up a gun, knife, blunt object, what have you; adultery doesn't start with walking out on your spouse for someone else. It starts with your own sinful desires, so every thought must be taken captive! If kids learned THAT in kindergarten and before, we might actually have less of the rampant sin in the world today. We might have less of a need to talk about sexuality to young kids if they learned to practice self-discipline!

[@helenr4300]

Re drag queens. British children have attended cross dressing theatre shows for well over a century, in fact it has become a national tradition at the start of the year. If you don't live near a professional show a volunteer community group will often stage one more locally (and more affordable) in the village hall. Even churches have been known to host them. Some of our famous celebrities started out as drag performers. The sky didn't fall then or now. Of course what they performed in the over 18s working men's clubs was different to the routine on prime time TV, and as the pantomime Dames. (also in Panto the 'principal boy' is played by a female, and generally gets the girl in the happy ever after scene, so same sex marriage has been on British stages for over a century). Come to that the whole theatrical system depended on cross dressing as women were not allowed on the stage. Hence the limited number of female to male roles in Shakespeare plays, along with reasons for the female to disguise as a male, so the male playing the female gets to act male again for those scenes. As a Christian I just don't get the issue with character led reading sessions, to me it is no different to someone coming as a Disney princess, or dressed as pirates, or any other performed role.

[@livingpicture]

Calling it paganism to put 10 commandments on the wall really misses in the point of doing so, and I would hope the majority of Christians would call this guy out for saying that! Has he not read the scriptures that say, "You must keep on speaking the words of God's law" (Joshua 1:8, Easy English) or "let them [my words] not depart from thine eyes," (Proverbs 4:21)? The 10 C (and/or any of the rest of God's law and words) on the wall is not some form of appeasement of God; it's our training manual, and is the reason people got out of paganism, AND oppressive religion, btw. It should never be seen as some kind of paganism, ...unless we actually forget why those laws are there.

[@76JStucki]

🤦🏻‍♂️ Skye- the date of Easter was changed SPECIFICALLY to disassociate it from Passover. Sometimes they align, simply because the two calendars are bound to meet up sometimes, but no- Easter is not dated according to Passover.

[@waberens]

And now the downfall of Moody. They have given themselves and their ministry to presuppositional, philosophical Gnosticism otherwise known as Calvinism. Just saying

[@ruthmayforth5933]

I think they are strongly dispensational too, aren’t they?

[@thescatman5029]

I would also dare that someone discuss and question the narrative that "the removal of prayer in schools is the reason that the schools are now so bad." Whether there were some real, more sinister thoughts evangelicals have regarding the schools.

[@lbamusic]

And all this proves that Whites of that era, had and served, a different god than Blacks. Whether they were Northern or Southern, the Moody/Darby movement who followed, embraced for the most part, anti-Blackness, segregation, jim crowism, etc.,that remains until today in the form of pro-trump racism among evangelicals. No wonder Jesus says to the 'Many' in Matt.7:21-23, "I never knew you"! This is more proof that most Black Christians today, serve a different God than many Whites, who also claim to be Christians. Im one of them.

[@patrickc3419]

There are no “black Christians” or “white Christians”. There are Christians. See Revelation 7:9 and Galatians 3:28. There is no biological nor scientific evidence of a “race”.

[@makejesusgreatagain7220]

​@@patrickc3419 that's great and all, but it doesn't address the very real socio-economic disparities between groups of people based on their melanin content.

[@helenr4300]

Your conversation about how to decide national policy when a plurality of viewpoints was a culture shock to me as a Brit. Why and how is it difficult? It is just default setting this side of the pond. Same with schooling, they need decent funding but why should they promote only one faith? Education is about enlarging understanding of the world and others, faith development is for the church community, or the mosque etc.. I came to this video for a conversation on the history of rapture theology with Darby etc. And hear you joking that G Washington only allowed other faiths as visitors. Not all your first European settlers were puritans, or even Christians. They would have reflected the religious variation of their homelands. And referring to the native massacres flippantly too...

[@patrickc3419]

The rapture is not found anywhere in scripture. While I do not question the salvation of someone by virtue of their being dispensationalist, scripture makes clear that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night (Matthew 24:43). Films and literature such as “Left Behind” are silly man made fiction.

[@lbamusic]

Patrick C, ...I now believe the 'rapture' is the event that few Christians really want - to die and instantly be with their Lord and Savior - 'to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord'. 2Cor.5:8. If most Rapture proponents realized that Dying was necessary to be raptured, they would drop the 'rapture' nonsense in a hot minute!

[@patrickc3419]

@@lbamusicu’re correct that to be absent from the body is the be present with the Lord. There is no purgatory (Catholicism), there is no soul sleep (Seventh Day Adventist), there is no reincarnation (Hinduism or Buddhism), there is no annihilationsim (Jehovahs witness); when you die , you go to one of two places immediately: Heaven, or Hell. I am not following what you meant, though, by “few Christians want to die and be with God”. ?

[@lbamusic]

@@patrickc3419 ..if i am correct, the only 'rapture' is the absence from the body and being present with the Lord. This means you have to die first, to be 'raptured'. How many Christians want to die first in order to be with their Lord??? Those I have talked to, love their idea of being raptured, because it doesn't involve death, just being caught up like Enoch and Elijah were.

[@makejesusgreatagain7220]

​@@patrickc3419 finally, something we agree on, at least the rapture part anyway.

[@patrickc3419]

@@makejesusgreatagain7220 Yes. We agree there is no rapture.

[@drdebsministryhub101]

dispensationalism holds a strict separation between Israel and the church.

[@acy24boo]

Attack the block: aliens in city. And Y:the last man.

[@joykeebler1916]

With certain atheist platforms; there may in being, an unawares presence of the apostles in towards 'convince us of your fairy tale god - in which, you were warned about converting over to

[@chad_stew]

In my opinion, the culture war has infected schools such that both public and private schools are problematic. I want schools to focus on academics rather than culture war items. And we tend to think that private schools do a better job with academics. But many private schools teach "world view" classes that promote American exceptionalism and indoctrinate kids into Christian nationalism lite. They also often teach YEC and other non-science as science. So, you have encouragement towards gender dysphoria, and a massive lack of classroom discipline in public schools. You have history and science classes distorted by the culture war in private schools. I don't find either option acceptable.

[@enigma1865]

Later discussion reminded me of the Bible Riots in Philadelphia in the 1840s

[@onegirlarmy4401]

With school choice, wouldn't poorer communities be able to start small private schools in their churches? People who can't afford to homeschool (because that usually requires a parent at home), could create community schools. Our churches could be open during the week as schools, like used to happen in the late 1800s.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

Given how segregated churches are, it would accomplish what was always the goal of “school choice.”

[@patrickc3419]

What you just shared is precisely what, biblically speaking, should be done. Under no circumstances should a family send their children to a public school. We pulled our children out when the rainbow mafia and make pretend pandemic begun to take root, and never looked back. Are at a small, private Protestant school and could not be happier. You are correct; not everyone has the ability to send their children to private schools, and not everyone is in a position to homeschool. This is a major failure on the American church’s part in failing to establish biblically based private schools for children in their congregation and community at large to be educated at. There is no constitutional authority for government to run nor oversee schools.

[@bethrossiter1857]

This would make me nervous as private schools do not have the same rigorous oversight as public schools

[@patrickc3419]

@@bethrossiter1857 Good, that is very important (not for you to feel nervous, but for less oversight). That is one of the benefits of private Christian schools; no common core, no participation trophies/ribbons, no “please forgive me for being white”, and no encouraging of sexual perversions.

[@emileesomers370]

​@@patrickc3419 I agree with Beth. I have known Christian schools to hire people who had ZERO teacher training - people who had not studied to become teachers. This gave me less confidence in Christian school staff because you must be taught how to teach; simply knowing your subject is not enough, especially with younger grades math and reading (I am an elementary teacher). Hiring uncertified teachers will not help with academic rigor.

[@knight1167]

" if i was a listener, i would be really depressed right now"..nah, I've come to except that both withing the church, exists a bunch of athiest/ pagan types that only view the thing as a political outfit, where jesus is on their lips but either an elephant or donkey in their hearts, and outside are a bunch of selfish and scaried people that think they have the answer to any and everything, and any deviation is seen as a horrible action. Things and people suck, and nothing can be done.

[@alexcitron5159]

Cool analysis. I have always been confused by the millennium. Is it possible the idea of the imminent coming millennium as seen in progress and expanding empire is related to the Jewish idea in the late nineteenth century that since conditions were getting better for them, citizenship, etc., that the Messiah was an ideal, that they thought more about the Messianic age as that time when Jews would have full equality? Of course, it didn't work out, and I'd like to think I'd have realized it, but who knows?

[@persesrathert8324]

No

[@livingpicture]

....and another question: why would you NOT want your kids learning theology & doing Biblic studies in public school? Surely it's not because you don't want to your kids to read the Bible, but rather because you don't trust public school staff to be trained to successfully teach your kids in Biblical topics. I know I certainly don't!

[@sundaysoulfood]

Question about private school. Was it a "Christian" private school?

[@veggiet2009]

I think I would like to say something to them person who made the thumbnail: did you using Photoshop's neural filters? Because I can see a telltail sign

[@RosannaDAgnillo]

It sounds like the only real problem identified with public schools is gender education, if a parent disagree with the perspective? If that's the case, please focus the discussion accordingly on that little topic rather than blanket criticism of public schools.

[@veggiet2009]

I feel I agree with Skye on so much, but it's kinda like I'm looking in a mirror, where he is right handed I am left handed. I don't want kids in a school where there's ten commandments. And I don't want a school where they are forcing you to change your pronouns, unless they do genuinely struggle with their identity. It's a small minority, but I think it's better to have a relaxed place than one with a rigid "no changing your pronouns" policy

[@damianm-nordhorn116]

La Roche-en-Ardenne is in Belgium, not France ;)

[@bethprather9241]

A zombie apocalypse is the only reason I would ever need an AR 15 or 14 riffle..

[@complexmindsimpleman6642]

How do you teach civics without pushing party ideology or indoctrination (patriotism). And whose view of patriotism?

[@patrickc3419]

Civics includes teaching the three branches of government and their roles & functions. It has nothing to do with ideology.

[@katieshappell7586]

Civics teaches how the government works, and also how you can be involved in the way the government operates. If people understood in more thorough detail how our government works, they would be more understanding of what is happening and how they can affect the change they want in a civil way.

[@complexmindsimpleman6642]

@@katieshappell7586 the present manifestation of our politics has layers added that were not originally drafted for the roles, responsibilities, and checks/balances. The moment educators begin to discuss redlining, redistricting, gerrymandering, filibusters, etc there will be howls of indoctrination even if the teacher focuses on facts, applications, and definitions.

[@adamrshields]

I am in Georgia. The 8th grade standards include the civil war reconstruction and the Dred Scott decision. Last year the legislator passed a bill making it illegal to teach that the US is systemically racist. The Dred Scott decision said that the US govt was under no obligation to treat Black people, slave or free, as citizens for any purpose. So the courts had no need to recognize violations of the law if the victim was black. That is basically the definition of systemic discrimination. I have yet to hear a legislator explain how the teachers can teach the actual standard without violating the recently enacted law.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

@@adamrshields they’ll probably just say that it was racist, but that disappeared in the 1960’s totally and completely leaving no traces and any complaints since then are categorically false.

[@bethprather9241]

Putting up 10 commandments is telling too many that is the way to salvation. It is not Galations 3 and Romans

[@joykeebler1916]

The song THE WIZARD/Black Sabbath

[@fullerlifeministryconsulta9126]

The public schools simply need to teach reading , writing, math, science and social studies . Kids know gender pronouns but cannot recognize a pronoun in a sentence.

[@stephengray1344]

DIsappointing to see Phil buy into the myth that Christmas has pagan origins. The truth is that Christmas, Easter, and even Halloween and their associated traditions are all centuries too recent to have pagan origins. If anybody reading this wants to look into the actual evidence for where these various traditions come from there are loads of good videos explaining the evidence on the Inspiring Philosophy channel and good articles doing the same on the History for Atheists website.

[@RosannaDAgnillo]

I was thinking the exact same thing. When I researched about 5 to 8 years ago the history of Christian holidays, I came up with the same conclusion as Phil but newer research has pointed in another direction and the inspiring philosophy channel was super helpful.

[@RabLRousR]

I wonder whether Phil and Skye are friends.

[@bethprather9241]

It maybe happening in some places but I live in the Bible belt so doubtful we are reading left/ left crap and right/ right I hope not either

[@tmcge3325]

There is no supporting scripture for an early exit called rapture, scripture....Point out the early exit called rapture? The problem with the "pre trib" and the "rapture" people is this....They will never give any supporting evidence, never one verse, not anything specific about an early exit. they respond exactly the same way....with emotions and these words "church doesn't go through tribulation" but never any verses. They don't use Matthew 18:16 or 2 Corinthians 13:1 kjv. This is how we verify scripture to be true. What does our Lord say? Matthew Chapter 13 kjv he is very, very clear. John 6:39-40, 44 and 54 again, very clear. 2 Thess Ch 1 and 2 kjv very clear...."Endure to the end" how many times have we heard that phrase? "in that day" when is that day? If you believe our Lord, he tells us...That day is the End, The Last Day! At the Last Trump 1 Corinthians 15:52 kjv. How about 2 Thess 4:13-18 kjv Please look at verses 15 and 17 "we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air" Now read Revelation 18:4 kjv "Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins" Again, this is the Last Day! Are there more verses? I could post many more....lots of verses! example: 1 Thess 3:13, 1 Corinthians 15:23-24 and yes, there are so many more verses...but, you have Matthew Ch 13 kjv Fish of "every kind" at the End, Last Day. When did Martha say her brother Lazarus would rise? 24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. The Last Day. In That Day......how many times does our Lord return? ONCE....Matthew 24:36 KJV "The Day, The Hour" Psalm 110:1 kjv. Here: two in a field one is taken, two grinding at the mill, one is taken....Tares go first! but not all...as in the Days of Noah, the water came first! How are we saved, as in Not appointed to wrath? Hebrews Chapter 11 kjv is your answer...Ecc 1:9 kjv Blood of the Lamb! Same as always! Question: when our Lord tells us Last Day or End of the World.....why do you not believe him? Go and read...before you post a reply, read the scripture posted and you tell me, why our Lord is wrong. Use Scripture, scripture is the truth! Peace!

[@bethrossiter1857]

Sorry dude but this body's got to die if you want a new one. 🤷‍♀️ I for one am ready. Jesus didn't die so your body wouldn't die. Jesus died to save the world from it's curse. All of creation including heaven will be remade. Jesus told the disciples he was coming back soon and they all died a bodily death so are those verses are really saying what you think they say? probably not. #exegesis

[@tmcge3325]

@@bethrossiter1857 point out scripture!!! Do you not believe the Son? What did he get wrong?

[@friedmac7146]

Respectfully, the Rapture and the End of the World Only happens in Summer! On the West Coast, during Mid Afternoon when Filming and Recording Conditions are Optimal. 2023 (Omaha N.E) 🌽✨🌽✨🌽✨

[@jonellmays-conyers7911]

They Took Civics Out Of Public Schools 🤦🏽‍♀️

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The song SCHISM/Tool