5D Diplomacy with Multiverse Time Travel - Full First Playtest

This was the first ever playtest of Oliver Lugg's 5D Diplomacy with Multiverse Time Travel. It ended prematurely due to a (now fixed) adjudication bug, but there were plenty of time travel shenanigans regardless!
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Diplomacy is a negotiation-based board game set during World War One. 7 players each control one great power (England, France, Germany, Austria, Italy, Russia, and Turkey) and fight for control of Europe, using their diplomatic skill to make covert deals with one another and to backstab their friends. 5D Diplomacy with Multiverse Time Travel is a game created by Oliver Lugg, which generalises the rules of Diplomacy to additional dimensions in a similar way to 5D Chess with Multiverse Time Travel's approach to generalising Chess.

[@DiploStrats]

A massive thanks to IggyTheFool for running the playtest! He's the host of the official 5D Diplomacy Discord server, which you can join here: discord.gg/CXW3MP7CgN

[@tobiashaythornthwaite3542]

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[@DiploStrats]

@tobiashaythornthwaite3542 Thanks, done :D

[@yaitz3313]

> gets stabbed horrifically > dies > ends up in a better position because of it Yeah, this is CHAOS.

[@shilohmagic7173]

something something terrified patriotism

[@creed2466]

Valefisk should play this

[@requitedhail8953]

That would be so amazing lol

[@redtaileddolphin1875]

@@requitedhail8953 u got baited, click the first link in the description

[@claudetheclaudeqc6600]

now that would be chaos

[@spynix0718]

Can't wait for 5D Campaign for North African.

[@Sky-pg8jm]

its hard enough to even play 2D campaign for north africa

[@KarolOfGutovo]

@@Sky-pg8jm 3D, since time is also a dimension when talking about those 5D games.

[@Sky-pg8jm]

@@KarolOfGutovo honestly feels worse making the mistake when I literally googled it for the sole purpose of not making that mistake lmao

[@KarolOfGutovo]

@@Sky-pg8jm Actually we are both wrong as the 5d claim counts normal chess as using 3 (edit: spacial) dimensions so by that metric normal chess is 4D lol

[@Sky-pg8jm]

@@KarolOfGutovo Lmao love that

[@ferdinandbinnendijk235]

Standard diplomacy video by Diplostrats: 5 hours Crazy complicated 5D diplomacy video: 2 hours

[@rockyblocky_guy1244]

jesus christ imagine 1D diplomacy

[@sw3aterCS_]

Infinite-dimensional diplomacy must be trivial then

[@boucer_boy]

⁠@@sw3aterCS_ infinite-dimensional diplomacy is so trivial that it’s a solved game

[@Ryann9]

@@rockyblocky_guy1244Forget about 1D diplomacy, what about 0D diplomacy?

[@SuprSBG]

So if 2D=5H and 5D=2H we can plot dimensions on the Y axis and hours on the X axis to calculate for n dimensions how long the video will be we get a line with the formula D = -H+7, and intuitively this gives the fact that 3D would be 4H, and 4H 3D. The problem with this is that gives a maximum video length of 7 hours at 0 dimensions, and for a 0 hour video we require 7 dimensions. A 7 dimensional game would logically have a video of more than 0 length, therefore it is logical to find a new curve, ideally one that excludes negative dimensions or video length. One curve that fits this relatively well is the positive component of D=10/H, which lines up with our 2D=5H and vice versa, although it does not fit the logical 3D=4H. Instead 3D gives a 3 and a third hour video, which doesn’t sound too bad. The most interesting application of this curve is that a 1 dimensional diplomacy game gives 10 hours, which seems off but, I mean, not impossible. If we accept this curve D=10/H and apply D=lim([H -> inf](10/H)) we get 0, meaning a 0 dimensional diplomacy gives a video of infinite length which could have multiple different meanings, but I’ll leave that one to you. The more interesting effect is when reversing dimensions and hours in the limit because we get the same thing, meaning a video of a game of diplomacy with infinite dimensions would have no length. This isn’t quite intuitive, but when you think about it, if the game has infinite dimensions it would go on forever, leading to the video never being published as the game never finishes. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

[@onebarofsoap9981]

So insane to see myself in another diplostrats video. So grateful to CaptainMeme and Ezio for providing an avenue for me to learn to play this amazing game.

[@Vaaaaadim]

46:20 "To understand the future, we have to go back in time". Massively underappreciated joke. Also what a blast to the past, I used to listen to that song all the time and totally forgot about it.

[@wistlov9248]

You clever bastard! It was you who gave them them Brest in the past idea! People should stop thinking of Ezio as the evil one. Cap has just as much capability, he is just more subtle about it

[@wistlov9248]

You did help make this game happen, so I will forgive you in this timeline at least

[@audiosurfarchive]

Cap is indeed a competent player, just not as stabhappy and maybe.. not as upfront about it.. hahaha

[@Soken50]

@@audiosurfarchive It's a diplomacy game, using someone else's hand to stab your enemies should be expected.

[@minerscale]

*breast

[@josephjagusah8668]

​@Soken50 more like using your enemies hands to stab themselves. Cat's paws are completely different than making a guy fall on his sword.

[@douglashudson4706]

Are you telling me that you built a time machine out of a *Diplomacy Board*? -Not quite Marty McFly

[@BeastnodeG]

the concept of not being at war in different timelines is actually crazy - since the goal is to control UNIQUE supply centers instead of just winning on one board this is actually an encouraged concept

[@glowingfox704]

Glad I'm not the only one who wants this idea to reach beyond chess!

[@objectshowfan362]

I'm opening up Unity to work on 5D Catan with Multiverse Time Travel. Yes, that's possible. I've worked out the logistics.

[@jamesdonnelly5966]

It’s a little bit meta to have future capt. Meme show up in a time travel variant game and comment on the strategy.

[@solsystem1342]

37:14 I was so waiting for you to say something to the effect of "don't worry Austria, I'm sending Tyr to bohemia in 1901 since the second italian army doesn't do anything in spring 01 to improve our position in the second timeline."

[@eg6559]

I love how he explains how it’s not madness but it’s still madness.

[@emblem3272]

Really cool to see the Lugg crossover, his first Diplomacy video was actually what led me to this channel

[@DerVarg]

I was going to suggest an expending turn timer, as 15 mins is for one board quite good, but the more boards there are, the less ideal become the 15 mins. So something like 15 base, and +5 mins for each new board (by this I mean timeline). But a long turn game solves this problem too xD Btw great video, great variant!

[@miasweatman7340]

Ah yes, I remember in Autumn 1901 when the entire armies of Europe travelled back in time 6 months to stab each other in the backs

[@Nukestarmaster]

One thing I will note is that, thanks to the staggering of timelines, it's almost impossible to interact with the present of another timeline. This means that there is just an exponentially increasing number of games of Diplomacy that, largely, cannot interact with each other. Perhaps you should implement the present line from 5d chess, and disallow any moves in the future?

[@KarolOfGutovo]

Yeah, the lack of a present time seems to be the most major omission when transferring the concept from chess to diplomacy. It'd probably take a lot of effort to recode, but I think it'd be worth it to make the multiple timelines intertwine more easily.

[@timothymclean]

It seems pretty absurd that a unit from Timeline 2 Fall can move into Timeline 1 Fall after that side's Timeline 1 Winter builds have been decided. Either that unit vanishes into the aether or they get a bonus unit, and neither of those seems like an intended result.

[@ezersial5559]

We're going back in time, to the very first thanksgiving. To get Turkey off the menu.

[@DoubleTrouble-li5wi]

37:08 classic DiploStrats sirens!

[@TheLazyBot]

Very excited to see more of this!

[@PoisonousCatFrog]

I love and hate that this exists

[@BryanCGough]

This is amazing. Thank you for the entertainment / massive headache! 🤯

[@Craftidore]

This was great! Glad you released the video of this.

[@asecretsomething39]

can't wait to watch!

[@yiannchrst]

Can't wait for the next video! This was so much fun! Let's hope the next play test goes until the end!

[@neveragain767]

5D Campaign for North Africa with Multiverse Time Travel when?

[@randomguy555]

Oh and second point: I can very much relate to having sirens/motorbikes/yobbos constantly out the window while in Cambridge, because both are true for me, though for me it's usually horses instead of sirens.

[@randomguy555]

I like how they all missed the big "Enter the Stage" button that was right next to (and even bigger than, and labelled) the wave/request to speak button the whole time :P ...Though, to be fair, I didn't notice it until like an hour into the video either, and I didn't have the game to worry about...

[@zwergomir9782]

Soooo, Chaos 5D Imperial Diplomacy next?

[@susangoaway]

Rooted for italy to lose as fast as possible

[@repeat8259]

I knew you guys would be here when it would happen

[@audiosurfarchive]

I am amazed Oli and all y'all got this going and working! We need a KickStarter maybe to make a Steam version??

[@andrewkelley9405]

once this is perfect/balanced, gotta do the whole world one with this. it would be insane, but you know valefisk would not be able to resist.

[@solsystem1342]

No

[@SussySupcon]

Absolutely not

[@omnitroph1501]

too far.

[@chronochrome7837]

Once Vale learns this video exists, it's doomed

[@andrewkelley9405]

the people who replied "no" are correct. that might be too much, even for vale.

[@yaitz3313]

Wouldn't it be a good idea, if you end up really strong on one board, to just do as much time travel to that board as you can purely for the purpose of creating as many new timelines where you're really strong?

[@Oklahomie_Friendly]

Actually yes very common strategy in5 D chess with multiverse time travel

[@josephjagusah8668]

​@Oklahomie_Friendly i think at a certain point you're just doing alpha-beta search and getting to beat the computer at it's own game while also solving chess.

[@Moon-Set-Lane]

This... Is amazing please grant me more.

[@mashmachine4087]

Diplomacy works well with time travel because all the turns have year numbers

[@sigy4ever]

its going to be years to never before this gets a proper release :(

[@JohnHazl]

I haven't gotten further than the the title yet, but what is wrong with you

[@Skibidigokyllyourself]

-5d diplomacy -look inside -no valefisk -sad :(

[@d.l.7416]

incredible

[@BeastnodeG]

valefisk should play this :)

[@pearceburns2787]

5D Imperial Chaos [world] with multiverse time travel

[@zeta970]

The Austrian retreat caused a quantum disruption event that collapsed space and time. Good going Habsburgs.

[@timothymclean]

1:03:58: An unintentional stab with bad advice as the knife!

[@robertscott7812]

I saw Oliver Lugg's video first and got confused with the time-convoy rules at first, but I think I get it now. That being said, would someone be able to convoy a unit from Apulia to Tunis in S01, for example, and then convoy another unit from Naples F01 to Greece S01 using the same fleet in Ionian? That would be insane!

[@chickenzzila]

very nice

[@BS-bd4xo]

1:43:16 Did he just confuse Serbia with Albania?! Oh shit.

[@optopesi2156]

vidoe idea meme and ezio minecarft lets play

[@MrJethroha]

REalistically you should playtest it as a gunboat game to make sure that basic mechanics work right

[@ArthurBurston-lm9oj]

Yeeees!!!

[@astrolonim2032]

YES

[@micaldomlancer1494]

A dodge I thought of for being called out for Tyrolia move is intending to attack Russia in Fall of 01. Stupid plan that will make lots of boards but funny.

[@Deemerowy]

Hey did you consider variant where one field (let's say Vienna) borders only Vienna in the past (and not all of Vienna neighbours)? I think it would limit the possibilities just enough for them to be graspable by human brain :P.

[@DiploStrats]

There's actually a setting for this, called 'Strict Adjacencies' - it's quite tough to actually travel back in time in that mode though, as you'll usually bounce with your past self. Still, it'll be interesting to try out too!

[@audiosurfarchive]

If you ever make videos of this going forward you need to use the sample from Death Grips of a song called.. well "5D"

[@xaythearsonist2003]

Oh god

[@sigy4ever]

Would it be possible to have an army do an invalid move (london to Brest for example) the turn resolves and the unit does nothing cus the order was invalid but this turn your fleet in the english channel does a convoy order convoying the army in london a turn ago thus making the past order valid?

[@DiploStrats]

Absolutely! It does telegraph your intentions, but the move will work as soon as the convoy makes it valid and so will split off a new timeline.

[@shilohmagic7173]

germany squandered his glorious position... unfortunate.

[@LordWaterBottle]

Turkey player needs to learn to mute their microphone before tapping on it. This is not an ASMR channel.

[@andrzejsraga7720]

Imagine the next commentary on normal diplomacy board. Moves are going to be so boring.

[@adrianobackespilla2514]

Excuse me, but what the fuck? lol

[@gasbasman]

Love your content but it this a bit much