5th Edition vs Baldur's Gate 3: Rangers

[@OneShotQuips]

To clarify: For 5e, im basing everything that is found in the PHB since that was the official publishing of the classes and the one that every D&D player has access to. Yes I understand Tasha’s fixes the Ranger, but you shouldn’t have to buy a WHOLE NOTHER BOOK to have the “correct” version of a class 🤷 Just throwing that out there.

[@syvajarvi2289]

I think we all appreciate the clarification, but even the PHB ranger wasn’t that bad. Most players focus on Hunter’s mark as being the main ranger spell to get an additional die of damage but in reality once a player discovers hail of thorns or zephyr’s strike for the BA concentration spell depending on whether you are a martial or ranger player, you’ll never look at hunters mark again unless you are tracking an NPC for an extended period of time.

[@leodouskyron5671]

Ranger lovers everywhere agree we should have had a good class but then the monk fans keep saying that we are not the worst in the PHB. Now that is a fight! :)

[@AlexMunz-bg3bc]

@syvajarvi2289 Yeah shit like spike growth and conjure animals are insane

[@Skaxarrat]

That, or use WikiDot.

[@Odande]

I mean, you don't actually have to buy tasha's. If you're someone who's aware enough to know that other books change things about the game odds are you're just going to look them up since the physical book isn't a literal requirement for Dungeons & Dragons modern-day

[@RoseKindred]

DnD Rangers get less love than a Rogue gets from their parents.

[@Zankyo137]

what parents?

[@Mr_Badidea]

Like I wanna like this comment but it’s at 69 likes so here’s my comment

[@kadirali1456]

​@@Zankyo137Exactly

[@jeffreyw901]

(spoiler: they're dead)

[@quelquundautre3292]

As a ranger rogue multiclass I... can confirm...

[@michaelscott6022]

BG3 Ranger must've multi-classed into Bard the way he kept nailing 5e with Vicious Mockery.

[@juliocesar6795]

This Ranger is Savage 😂

[@jk2l]

Fun fact: sword bard is better ranger than ranger

[@lolmanmagee2785]

@@jk2l sword bard is just overpowered in bg3, not really a fair thing to say. swords bard is a better fighter than a fighter and a better wizard than a wizard, its kinda silly.

[@jk2l]

@lolmanmagee2785 well if they make the range attack multi target not able to attack same character twice...combine with sharpshooter bard can do more attack than a fighter lol

[@lolmanmagee2785]

@@jk2l exactly, they are a better fighter than a fighter xd and then have a powerful spell list to boost. arguably best subclass in the game with its competition being abjuration wizards randomly having tens of thousands of effective hit points.

[@tridentgreen3346]

Larian had an actual vision for ranger and it shows. Bless Larian and may the fruits of their work be plump and enriching as goodberries.

[@alex-uw4mm]

let's hope that who ever picks up bg4(or any DnD rpg) in the future wont screw it up again.

[@Ezullof]

Larian didn't need a "vision" for that lol. They just fixed 5e's ranger in relatively common ways. Not everything good about what Larian does needs to be the result of having a vision.

[@mr.stuffdoer8483]

Shame they did polymorph dirtier than 5E did the ranger

[@Zivilin]

@@mr.stuffdoer8483 tbf i've never seen a videogame do polymorph or wildshape justice.

[@JacobL228]

Not the spell, Goodberries, though. They fucked that one up.

[@fizznchipsbot2258]

Oh god, even the ranger doesn‘t want the ranger anywhere near him. I feel so sorry for him 😅

[@dangersquirrel4868]

5e: High Five! BG3: Stay over there. 🤣That killed me

[@CaptainTripps420]

It just makes ranger worse. The BG3 version is hot shit now so he wants nothing to do with his history. Like someone who wins the lottery but spends all the money meeting new hotter friends and shitting over all the people who actually loved him at his worst.

[@marquisepixley684]

​@@CaptainTripps420 you are wrong

[@15thobserver]

@@CaptainTripps420 Why is bg3 ranger 'hot shit' now? What did they change?

[@Koranthus]

@@15thobserver See video for details.

[@StarforceSF]

The wizard episode is gonna be like: 5e: "fireball?" bg3: "FIREBALL!!!"

[@TheGodPoing]

more like: we can misty step, haste ourselves and cast fireball on same turn bro

[@TheCursedCat1927]

It would be interesting if he brought up the special items we can find in BG3, since with a right build you can basically cast 4 Fireballs in a single turn and that's without any exploit (just using what the game offers).

[@alejoclosa7705]

​@@TheGodPoing you can use 2 spells the same turn, just not use both action and bonus action for that so no Misty Step and other spell

[@ethanduncan1646]

BG3 fireball is nerfed though. It does not have the insane meme range classic fireball has. I actually never really had Gale use it.

[@ReplicatorFifth]

Light domain cleric: Fireball!

[@the_nerd_showtv5562]

I love how 5e ranger is just happy to see ranger respected.

[@johnevans5782]

It's always been respected by those of us who wanted to play a Ranger and not a drizzt durden based fighter rogue who knows how to track. The problem , as it were, lies in the fact that it wasn't designed primarily for combat.

[@Koranthus]

@@johnevans5782 ah yes, the only class not designed for combat in the dungeon crawling combat game, so sad.

[@spikem5950]

​@@johnevans5782That's a cheap excuse for poor design. UA revised ranger proved you can make a proper ranger with roleplay features that are actually viable in combat.

[@johnevans5782]

@@spikem5950 I have seen the Revised Ranger. I was not a big fan, but it was world's better than the one in Tasha's

[@the_nerd_showtv5562]

@@morrigankasa570 I wish you luck at finding your group

[@alexandersmart2429]

I didn't know that BG3 Rangers got Vicious Mockery...

[@tigerwarrior1787]

That wasn't Vicious Mockery, that was Mind Spike.

[@rosehill7919]

3 levels Rogue Assasin + 9 levels Ranger Gloomstalker Astarion dealing 300-400 hp damage per turn: You were saying?

[@whoxman1621]

Wait, what? HOW?

[@Lolface8]

​@@whoxman1621probably the insta crit on enemies Who havent taken a turn + the dread anbusher free Attack

[@msroxasmoonlight6938]

5 levels rogue assassin, 5 levels gloomstalker and 2 levels of fighter for infinite turn where u unalive every enemy lmao. Multi hit arrow plus the auto crit from surprise round is just too op

[@gearwolfgaming]

I also like the 3 Rogue Assassin or Thief if using hand crossbows, 5 Gloomstallker Ranger, 4 Fighter Champion. Stack with Crit roll reducing equipment and you have a monster crit build.

[@blumelodiez]

​@msroxasmoonlight6938 we did the exact same build lol. Also the legendary weapon from the Gondian Factory on Astarion??? Goldddd

[@rabbidcreature9681]

I half expected the BG3 Ranger to hug the 5E Ranger, because of how sad and depressing 5E has been for him.

[@Lorekeeper72]

And how sad and depressing OneD&D/ D&D 2024/ D&D 6E are going to be for Ranger, what I've heard is not good for Ranger.

[@Dighpo]

​@@Lorekeeper72 it was good at one poşnt with around 80% satisfaction rating. Then WotC went and changed everything that contributed to this 80% satisfaction rating

[@soren3569]

Didn't want to get the stink of failure on him.

[@gimik2593]

1 also cool thing for beast master in BG3 is Hunter’s mark works with your companion’s as well, so by level 10 you essentially have 3d6 of added damage for every attack.

[@vitorapereira9469]

At 11 its 4d6 thanks to beast extra atk

[@spikem5950]

I used to be an animal companion focused druid in 3.5 and gave up on companions entirely thanks to 5e, I honestly didn't even know they made Hunter's Mark work for your animal companion. I... Might have to give it a serious try now.

[@Kapppa]

Hasbro: We've realized that there's a huge market for D&D videogames Everyone: There's a huge market for the D&D videogame that Larian Studios created

[@bahmuut4825]

Larian only created the market if you forget the 90s and early 2000s happened, what are you smoking?

[@ДмитрийБотух]

@@bahmuut4825 You mean the years when Fallout 1 and 2 reigned supreme? The years when people got their tactical fix with Jagged Alliance 2? Only a couple people knew of BG1&2, and noone played Icewind Dale. Neverwinter Nights became popular because of easy-to-use mod tools and about eleventy bajillions actually good user-made adventures. NWN 2 dropped the ball there, but it was still Josh Sawyer game, so it was kinda popular. Not really though.

[@Dwealdric]

@@ДмитрийБотух Only a couple of people played BG1 and 2.... holy shit, that's a hot take. Fallout 1 and 2, AND Jagged Alliance 2 combined didn't even make HALF the sales of BG1. Icewind Dale sold like 4x as many copies as Fallout 2. I love all those games, but man, you have a selective memory.

[@marcusrouls7472]

@@ДмитрийБотух Bro, only the mentally feeble didn't know what BG1,2 or Icewind Dale was.

[@ДмитрийБотух]

​@@marcusrouls7472 No, only the nerdiest nerds ever heard about those games.

[@alegbh8713]

you missed on the gloomstalker part. In 5e they're just passively invisible as long as they're in darkness and in bg3 they can hide as a bonus action. Also rope trick is a broken spell

[@jefferydavidson5347]

AND, they fixed Rangers and Beast Masters in Tasha’s Cauldron of Everything

[@nerdler7468]

@@jefferydavidson5347people always seem to forget that i don't know why

[@pernicious8523]

Yeah Gloomstalker got nerfed in BG 3

[@AidanWR]

@@jefferydavidson5347 Can't tell if just didn't read the pinned comment, or pinned comment came out after

[@johnevans5782]

@@jefferydavidson5347No. They mangled their Roleplaying aspects in favor of combat capability. Let's at least be honest about it. No one wants a REAL ranger, hey want a fighter rogue who ca track, with a ghostly creature companion that can't actually die. That's not a Ranger, and it's no Beastmaster... because Primal beasts.. aren't actually beasts at all.

[@tracyblanchard7663]

BG3 Arcane Trickster out drinking with 5e Ranger

[@sanctimoniouslocke3941]

Larion's take on the Arcane Trickster is almost as disappointing as Karlach's questline. :C

[@Tabledar]

They did what they could. 5e Arcane Trickster is even worse.

[@sanctimoniouslocke3941]

@@Tabledar That is objectively incorrect. Just having a functioning Mage Hand makes the 5e Arcane Trickster superior.

[@vitorapereira9469]

They should turn AT in a class, and give to the rogue a better 3rth lv caster sub

[@Tabledar]

@@sanctimoniouslocke3941 Mage Hand Legerdemain sounds okay until you realize it can't even do what it seems like it should be able to. It offers the ability to disarm traps, but the "sneaky" flavor disappears when you realize you still need to use a verbal component to cast it, and it still only lasts a minute. If you leave to go cast it and come back so no one hears, it's nearly exhausted by then.

[@SirPumpkinKnight]

"Yeah! .........Although to be fair, the pathing for animal companions is terrible unless you pick the flying one... I had a wolf jump to his death once instead of waiting his turn to climb down a rocky path."

[@mnk9073]

_the virgin Wizards of the Coast_ vs. *THE CHAD LARIAN*

[@TheHellisangel1]

Wizard of the coast own Baldur's Gate

[@Axle3000]

​​@@TheHellisangel1 1) the studio pretty much did all the work and is known for good rpgs 2) all the people who worked directly with the studio were fired/laid off as soon as the game was done.

[@Chef-Juice]

no they don't I don't know why people keep saying that.@@TheHellisangel1

[@kolbywilliams7234]

@@Chef-Juice Because Baldur’s Gate belongs to D&D, which is the intellectual property of WOC, which is a company under Hasbro. Larian got a license to make a game in the D&D universe, making them a licensee. WOC was the licensor, meaning they own the IP, but authorized Larian to use them. This means WOC does own Baldur’s Gate.

[@TheCursedCat1927]

​@@kolbywilliams7234 This. I feel like people completely forgot that Baldur's Gate isn't a seperate IP that just shares similarities with D&D - it's literally a part of its canon world, and therefor a part of the IP that WotC owns.

[@AvangionQ]

Larian Studios needs to release a Player's Handbook for classes, options and magic items ... at this point, I think it might be more popular than any other 3rd party release.

[@jeremiahbell6129]

They've said that they're not making expansions or BG4 which seems like they're dropping WotC entirely. They may make an entirely new system. They could totally make a Player's Handbook for that.

[@deadMan33331]

​@@jeremiahbell6129it's a shame they won't be working on BG4

[@Selnathorn]

@@deadMan33331 Blame Hasbro and WotC for their licensing fees

[@3InchesofLove]

@@deadMan33331it is unfortunately, but probably cause Hasbro or WOTC was too difficult to work with.

[@deezboyeed6764]

I guarantee both wotc and hasbro were pressing microtransactions and micro dlc for future BG content​@@3InchesofLove

[@halotalim]

I made a ranger Subclass called the 'Vengence Seeker' that pretty much makes the Ranger what they should have always been. Subclass perks below Level 3 gives Increased Injury and Master Tracker Increased Injury Whenever you successfully hit any your Favored Enemies or your Favored Foe, you deal extra damage to the creature equal to your proficiency bonus upon a successful hit. Master Tracker You are proficient in Investigation (Intelligence) and Perception (Wisdom) checks. If you already proficient in either one of these skills, you gain double proficiency in that skill. Level 5, 9, 13, and 17 gives Wild Strike Wild Strike Before you roll the die in an attempt to attack a Favored Enemy or your Favored Foe, you may choose take a -1 penalty on your attack roll. If you succeed in hitting your target, you may add an extra +2 in damage to the target. At level 9, you may choose to choose to take a penalty of up to -2 to increase damage by an extra +4 against your Favored Enemy or Favored Foe. At level 13, you may choose to increase the penalty/damage up to -3/+6, and at level 17, you may choose to increase your penalty/damage up to -4/+8. You may also choose to use lower penalty/damage payoffs if you so wish. Level 11 gives an Additional Fighting Style and Retaliation Additional Fighting Style Choose a second Fighting Style from any classes Fighting Style list. If the Fighting Style would give you cantrips, they don't count against your number of cantrips known. If they don't appear on the ranger spell list, they are nonetheless ranger spells for you. Your spellcasting ability for those spells is Wisdom. Retaliation When you are reduced to 0 hit points by a Favored Enemy or your Favored Foe, but not killed outright, your hit points are only reduced to 1. If this occurs, you may immediately use your reaction to attack that enemy. If the attack hits, the enemy must make a Strength saving throw against your spell save DC or be knocked prone and stunned until the start of your next turn. Once you use this ability, you may not use it again until after you complete a long rest. Level 15 gives Apex Hunter Apex Hunter You are immune to the Charmed and Frightened conditions from your Favored Enemies or Favored Foe and they cannot attack you with advantage.

[@Daioblis]

*3.5 Ranger:* The hell happened here

[@caurd]

That one was even worse than the one in 5e

[@Rob_Pap]

Yeah it was weird af. At least Pathfinder made the ranger a way better class than 3.5

[@Daioblis]

We telling lies now?

[@Daioblis]

Weird my foot, 3.5 Ranger is awesome and arguably the best class. Arguably 'cuz every other class is awesome too, but Ranger shot the cake like Katniss.

[@yammoto148]

@@Rob_Pap Man Pathfinder Ranger is legit fun. Especially the Demon Slayer in Wrath of the Righteous.

[@Louipol2211]

I choose to be a beastmaster ranger in my first ever D&D campaign not realising how damn useless it is, and I will forever praise the Lord for pairing me with a DM who was like "yeah F**k the official rules, your wolf gets its own turn" XD

[@Aevum13th]

If it helps, Tasha's provides it with a variant that is actually pretty good.

[@IgaChicken]

5e Ranger exploding was amazing lol

[@whitepaws60]

YE-*BOOM*

[@LilLottee]

Step 1: Find the website that lets you pick between crappy 5e standard ranger class and the fixed one Step 2: Drive your DM completely nuts with a ranger conjuring a horde of giant wolf spiders while commanding his animal companion into battle Who needs to buy the whole book when you've got the magic of the internet :D

[@Fatmoviewatcher400]

Love these 5E/BG3 comparison videos. Wonder if Warlock is next given that BG3 took aspects of the Hexblade patron and essentially built them into the standard pact of the blade.

[@matthewmuir8884]

BG3 Warlock: Our pact weapons use our charisma modifier without having to pick hexblade! 5E Warlock: Awesome! What about pact of the tome? Do we still pick any three cantrips and any two level 1 ritual spells we want, while being able to add any ritual spells we find at the cost of gold and time? BG3 Warlock: ...Actually, the tome spells are preselected. 5E Warlock: Aw...

[@Medul759]

As it always should have been

[@skycastrum5803]

Kills the hex dip. Which admittedly is better game design, but still weaker. Giving non-hexblade warlocks ability to effectively use weapons isn’t exactly a buff when eldritch blast exists. Plus I kinda liked being able to get other pacts if I was dipping deep.

[@joriswegner8421]

That's a downgrade as you only get pact of the blade at level 3

[@ДмитрийБотух]

@@joriswegner8421 Hexblade was a stupid bandaid solution to a problem that shouldn't have existed in the first place.

[@avalsnep9910]

1:59 except arcane trickster. We’re still thirsty over here while everyone else is drowning ;0;

[@leiaanderson8859]

5e: *upset* BG3: *happy 5e is upset* Sound like my old relationship, lol.

[@CedricBassman]

Why were you happy when your partner was upset?

[@leiaanderson8859]

@@CedricBassman I wasn’t happy, my partner(s) were, lol, sorry for the confusion

[@soren3569]

I sincerely believe the dev animosity to Rangers can only be explained with two words: Drizzt Do'urden. The character was such a go-to for players who just wanted to emulate the flagship fictional character that it was almost impossible to find a table that didn't have a dual-scimitar-wielding Drow Ranger with too many z's and apostrophes in their name somewhere in the mix.

[@JnEricsonx]

TBH, I wasnt even thinking of doing that when I made my first char for a live game. He is half-drow though,but a rogue, and prefers putting arrows into people.

[@lolbots686]

The drakewarden ranger:...uh. i didn't want to be inpolite but im here. Base ranger:your riding a dragon!? How!? Drakewarden:uh. Have you not read tashas? Base ranger:huh? *Reads tashas and openly weeps* ...oh my gods...oh my gods...AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

[@matthewmuir8884]

Wasn't the Drakewarden subclass from Fizban's Treasury of Dragons?

[@lolbots686]

@@matthewmuir8884 yes,but 5e ranger is actually one of the strongest classes in 5e using tashas and other stuff. And a lot of non phb subclasses are fucking crazy Gloomstalker being the ultimate assassin,horizon walker and fey wanderers teleport shenanigans,revised beastmaster being a thing,solid amount of choices. Hell combine ranger,blood hunter and either a couple lvls of eldritch knight or maybe take magic initiate and you can make geralt of rivia for fucks sake. Very cool shit.

[@matthewmuir8884]

@@lolbots686 Okay. I was just pointing out that the dialogue in your comment makes it sound like the drakewarden subclass and its ability to ride a dragon is from Tasha's cauldron of Everything, when it's from a different book.

[@shadow-faye]

Not riding it until level 7, and then still not flying on it until much later

[@JuMiKu]

​@@shadow-fayeTechnically, it shouldn't be an issue, if the ranger is small, as soon as the drake becomes Medium.

[@blueminer24611]

one of my favorite characters i ever made for dnd was a ranger so i've always been rooting for the ranger in your videos

[@geoffreycannon2197]

My first character I ever played was a half mountain dwarf/half gold dragon paladin/ranger multiclass… which was a ton of work to homebrew rules for in AD&D …only kill he ever made was a critical headshot on a Great Wyrm Black Dragon. That was a fun session.

[@blueminer24611]

@@geoffreycannon2197 my kenku ranger started things with zephyr strike and a pair of sickles and thats how he went out no regrets

[@KnicKnac]

​@@geoffreycannon2197 Same here with first character being a ranger, but in 3.5 and I still love the class. Most fun I've had being an archer.

[@GeekandGlory]

Pathfinder 3e Ranger: *sips tea* "Aw you guys are so cute.

[@thegreendragon5390]

Wait, PF got to 3e? I thought they were still at 2e.

[@shadow-faye]

​@@thegreendragon53902e got a remaster recently, they probably mean that

[@Bluelyre]

@@thegreendragon5390Yeah, pf2e remastered. more like 2.5 tbh.

[@galmenz6118]

@@Bluelyre more like pf2.25 honestly. it really did not change much besides removing copyright names and doing enough tweaks to make allignment shit and spellschool shit work without them its like... slightly more than an errata they do every year burning hands is now called firebreath tho, which means it is more awesome by default

[@id9907]

​@@thegreendragon5390 I think they were referencing pf 1e, which was basically a reskin of dnd 3.5 (affectionately called 3.75 by fans). Rangers and their animal companions could actually get quite scary and effective there...and that was just the base rangers, archetypes and prestige classes added even more

[@elliotgandersen]

I’d love to see a suit where First edition classes meet Baludar’s gate versions.

[@Wustenfuchs109]

I always found that the Ranger is the closest to a a fantasy trope of adventurer (Aragorn-style), and yet, one of the weakest classes in the most famous fantasy RPG rules. Still took it in every single game as my main character though.

[@chadnorris8257]

Yeah. In concept it's great. In practice it falls short. You're basically a fighter/rogue/druid hybrid that excels in the wilderness, which is where most adventuring is going to be. It sounds awesome, until you actually start playing it.

[@chaosxrunner]

It's even more tragically funny now that we see what happened to Ranger in the 2024 book

[@danboud8135]

Feels like WotC saw this and were like, "So what you're saying is, Hunter's Mark needs to be more of a thing."

[@Ptollemios]

I love that ranger is just so excited and happy for ranger

[@wiej007]

Yeah... Mine first playthrouth in BG3 was as Drow, Ranger Gloom Stalker and I LOVE EVERY MOMENT OF IT

[@scarletowl4556]

Can't wait to see how BG3's Monk is going to bully 5e's Monk XD

[@rockassassin64]

I would hope he doesn't or it would just be the same joke

[@CollinWootan]

A newbie played an open hand monk in Dungeon of the Mad Mage, and I was consistently impressed with how it played. A lot of the situational stuff came into play, like "understand all languages" was super handy! So monks are pretty viable imo, and buffs will only make them cooler.

[@rockassassin64]

@@CollinWootan open hand is also really good i think the fact that the push, topple, and stagger just become your new flurry and cost nothing extra is really good it gets past the problem some of the others have where they give you just new worse options that take your already small amount ki.

[@Kagezawa]

Just don't let them see 4(3) element monk from bg3.

[@piketheknight2581]

I have to try ranger now

[@JoDoSa]

fisrt time playing BG3 I used ranger and I could not understand the problems with Ranger on D&D until I started playing D&D

[@napalmblaziken]

I recommend getting going in on archery and getting the Sharpshooter feat. Araj at Moonrise sells a headpiece that helps offset the penalty from All In when Hunter's Mark is active on who you're attacking. So you'll be doing like 20-27 damage in one hit. And then get another at Level 5. Oh and your Dire Raven in Beast Master can rend the vision of an enemy, making it even easier to hit someone

[@jpaguilarl]

Beastmaster is a blast but you do need to be careful with your companion because it dies very easily Hunter is weak until lvl 11 but then they obliterate everything Gloomstalker5/Thief4/Fighter3 (or just Gloomstalker 8/Thief 4) with hand xbows is one the best classes in the game

[@stoiccrane4259]

Beastmaster pure is a great sub class. A High Elven Cleric Ranger of Mielliki is also on point lore wise. Unfortunately I played BM up to act 3 and didn't realize I could summon animal companions that scaled up to that point...so I'm basically re-doing my run.

[@piketheknight2581]

@@napalmblaziken can you do a melee beastmaster? I wanna be rexxar

[@alabaster_bullet]

Can we just forget One D&D and have Larian publish their rule book?

[@awesomedoughnutmann2696]

If WOTC wouldn't get so butthurt about it and probably sue them into the ground, I'd kill for a timeline in which we get an official BG3 rulebook... My Saturday table is already playing with some BG3 houserules :)

[@zifendel2675]

I need the Rogue video now. The BG3 thief subclass just getting an extra free bonus action every single turn is insane. And I know it’s for game balance reasons, but the loss of Reliable Talent is physically painful.

[@leyrua]

I've had some players enjoy being a Ranger, but it worked for them because they knew in advance what kind of enemies they would be facing, so they could pick a favored enemy that they were definitely going to encounter a lot. It also helped that, when it came to certain exotic enemies that they found in the hells, I allowed them to benefit from their favored enemy by recognizing that the thing they were up against was NOT a type of demon, because they knew enough about demons to know that this creature fell into some other category.

[@mentalrebllion1270]

I do miss the instant invisibility of gloomstalkers though. That one they didn’t allow. Very sad. But, well, is what it is. I do still main rangers for dnd games though. Not always, because sometimes it just doesn’t fit the character I have in mind and/or the party I’m in, but still, majority of my characters will be rangers. I feel I play them pretty well and they are pretty useful for their party. It still takes work to make sure I build the ranger right to insure they are good for the campaign they are in though, I will admit that much. It takes a lot of working with the dm when selecting things and discussions with my party and having a good eye for the story direction and the party composition to figure that out. But, I do like having played BG3 with my brother and playing a ranger character. Had to figure out the differences and adjust my play style but my brother thinks the class is pretty neat too, which he didn’t realize because of ranger’s old reputation. He has made a ranger character for himself since then.

[@stoiccrane4259]

With a drow hood from the underdark they can go invisible at will. Plus they have the umbral cloak that makes them invisible while standing kind of with the +10 to stealth when they aren't taking actions.

[@Shildran]

@@stoiccrane4259 But the main point of the gloomstalker, that they have it without action/bonusaction, just passively, and it acts like a greater invisibility, because actions doesn't break it. Yes, it is also situational, but a really OP broken situational power and I know that Larian made this way, because gameplay reasons: the half game is in the darkness. But that's why I don't understand that why did they put the subclass in the game.

[@gendissaray]

I like when the animal companion acts on your initiative, but I've never made my players use action/BA to command it.

[@jasonstewart58]

Don't worry. I love you 5e Ranger ... but only when you use all the optional features in Tasha's.

[@Nerd704]

I'm still mad about all the stuff 5e ranger has competing for concentration.

[@princephantom1294]

I mean, ever since Tasha’s rangers have actually been very good. In fact, they were still decent before then with good weapon use, the best 1/2 caster spell list, and Gloomstalker. Beastmaster was even fixed it Tasha too

[@KnicKnac]

Hunter wasn't that bad either if you just wanted to take a target down. Tasha's did add awesome features we ranger enjoyers needed or wanted

[@davidmarks6821]

I'm sorry did you say, best half caster spell list? Have you read Artificer? Ranger's spell list suffers from the fact that almost all of their spell require concentration, which means you can't use hunter's mark, the only reason they are any good at combat. Also Ranger was "decent" at combat sure, the problem with their design was that their class abilities are so situational I've never even seen them get used.

[@princephantom1294]

@@davidmarks6821 artificer has about equally as good of a list, but your statement about hunters mark is objectively false at this point. Crossbow expert outputs much more damage than HM in the vast majority of scenarios, freeing up your concentration for amazing spells like spike growth and conjure animals. Even still, rangers get great non concentration spells like Goodberry. Favoring concentration spells isn’t a problem for a half caster anyway, as their play pattern is to cast a big concentration spell and then make attacks with a weapon.

[@zeyagratton1645]

@@davidmarks6821 Pass without trace is incredibly useful for stealth and getting surprise, good berry is a fantastic healing spell, and conjure animals… exists. Also, I still don’t get how people think hunters mark is a good spell. Go watch the by Pack Tactics on hunters mark, it does a great job showcasing the spells flaws.

[@davidmarks6821]

@@princephantom1294 Crossbow expert gives you one more attack, what will most likely be 1d6+4, hunter's mark will on average make you deal 2d6 more damage per turn, you know what the average of both of these are? 7.5 and 7. I don't think it makes alot of difference, unless you are also using sharpshooter, at this point we are locking Ranger's into a specific playstyle to be good. Aso you know crossbow expert and hunter's mark can stack right? Especially if you are fighting a single target, so you don't need to use your bonus action to move hunter's mark. It also requires you to be using a hand cross bow. Extremely limiting play style don't you think, shouldn't a class not be locked into one specific way to play that is the only good one? Spike growth is exceptionally situational. I've seen it break combat encounters, I've also seen it be entirely useless. Conjure animals is again situational, entirely dependent on whether your dm lets you summon fairies to turn you into T-Rex. Goodberry is quite literally only good if food is what you are concerned about, 8 hit points as 8 actions is way to long of a use time for it to be any good. The play pattern cant really be to cast a big concentration spell and use attacks when the only big concentration spells they have are situational at best. Which is my entire problem with the old ranger, everything is situational. Not in a forest, fighting specifically trees? Too bad now you don't have any class features. I can talk about this for hours, but its long, and I'm probably coming off as a POS so i'll stop now.

[@qu1253]

I did a ranger knight playthrough in BG3 (bounty hunter with colossus slayer and two-handed sword). Was a lot of fun and felt plenty powerful.

[@Sultan-cf5wf]

I think Baldur's Gate 3 could become a new ruleset if enough people want it to be. I'd love it as a ruleset.

[@pokecoke4123]

Tasha’s caldron alternate rules make 5e rangers better then fighters

[@caurd]

Pffff, nope. Tasha make rangers aceptable. But they do it at the cost of selling their soul as a class. Tasha's abilities are things that have nothing to do with being a ranger, and they have no flavor whatsoever.

[@patrickhannon2694]

@@caurdyes because there’s absolutely no flavor in abilities that represent their more Druidic sides in being able to speak with and feel what animals are feeling, giving them more languages to represent how many places they’ve likely been, allowing them to choose an expertise based on their practices instead of just rarely coming up when convienient, abilities representing their greater endurance that comes from constantly moving long distances and fulfilling the fantasy of excelling across all parts of nature by recognizing the patterns that come with each environment rather than getting the skills of a glorified tour guide

[@caurd]

@@patrickhannon2694 No, the more druidic aspects belong to the druid, not the ranger. Expertise? Stolen from the rogue and the bard. Oh god, are you talking about deft explorer? That aptitude is a fucking joke. Canny steals the rogue's expertise (because the ranger can't have his own identity), roving is a decent ability, and tireless is bullshit. And then, nature's vail is one of the worst features in the game. That is, you are now at LEVEL 10 and it allows you to become invisible... for one round. At that level the wizards already have greater invisibility (and normal invisibility for 7 levels), so... But the worst of all is Favored Foe, that's an insult. I mean, mechanically it's not bad, I can probably say it's even good. But it is the one that most represents the Tasha's design laziness. It is a feature with literally 0 flavor, 0 meaning, and even 0 interaction with the game mechanics. What are you doing? Roll 1d4 more damage, without conditions and without even resorting to the action economy. What does it have to do with a ranger? Nothing, you just deal more damage, NOTHING MORE THAN THAT. It's a totally soulless feature.

[@syvajarvi2289]

@@caurdTasha’s takes the ranger back to its core concept in 1 and 2e, being a flexible half caster without the need to multi-class. I prefer Tasha’s over the 5e core rules because I dictate the flavor of the character. One of my favorite Rangers is a Fey wanderer with a two level dip in fighter who’s background is a witch light hand. He is a linguist and helps run the side shows as a barker. I just took a dip in bard for vicious mockery cantrip.

[@caurd]

@@syvajarvi2289 No, he does not do it. "Flexible mid-caster" is not a character concept. Where is the "favored foe" flavor? It's an ability that only deals you damage, nothing more. Without any explanation, no condition and without even interacting with the game's action economy. Nothing. Expertise steals it from rogues and bards, and just adds the proficiency bonus again. The ranger has NOTHING of his own, everything he has is from other classes.

[@Gatorboy5678]

Therapist: Long haired OSQ isn’t real. He cannot hurt you Long haired OSQ:

[@Burn2themall]

To all the 5th ed players who wanted to play aragorn we feel for you

[@Dylan_lion]

The beastmaster initiative change in bg3 is one we actually brought over to our live game and it feels so nice

[@tenlosol]

When people play ranger using just the PHB

[@Ezullof]

and with a cruel DM who never lets them use their situational stuff and didn't let them have a cool animal companion. And who presumably always make small combat maps so being ranged isn't that much of an advantage.

[@caurd]

@@Ezullof The problem is that his situational features are not a big deal either. Having an advantage in wisdom and intelligence rolls to gather information... well, it's not that big of a deal, it's not that difficult to use other means to gain an advantage, and an advantage doesn't have to guarantee you anything.

[@Dark_Mishra]

@@EzullofThis is definitely one of the biggest issues I’ve noticed watching newer DMs. They don’t create enough opportunities for each member the party to make them all feel important.

[@coreymcnaught]

I love how in BG3 for warlock you don’t have to take hexblade. Any class can get what hexblade has with pact of the blade. Simple and elegant.

[@Jarikraider]

I'm not sure if WoC just tries to stay true what would be considered 'pure' DnD based on previous editions, but it is fairly obvious that with how many balancing issues the game has that there's some stagnation or bias in the development process. Larian gets a hold of the same abilities, decides to increase and respect player power, and is basically universally praised for it.

[@Max2ds]

Gloomstalker actually got nerfed in the translation, funnily enough. in tabletop they're considered invisible to creatures relying on darkvision if they're in darkness or dim light. Which is _crazy_ strong

[@DarkvalorGaming]

When in fact 5.5 ended up making Ranger even worse. Tata!

[@dungeon_crawlers]

Jokes aside, I really liked the Playtest 6 One D&D Ranger. I am playing one right now, and enjoying it a whole lot. The ranger becomes a great exploration class, with some free spell casting baked into it (limited by wisdom modifier), and can switch their favored terrain on a long rest. The subclasses are also reworked, so the Gloomstalker, while still very formidable, is a lot better conceptualised, and no longer is the absolute dominant option in comparison to others. Considering the changed spell list system, the ranger now has access to a lot more spells as well. Overall, a very nice and balanced take on the class.

[@ofrund]

Except you know, they nerfed the perma invisibility feature in darkness of Gloomstalker.

[@RNG-esus]

Most fun ive had in BG3 eo far in my hundreds of hours has been my original Gloomstalker Ranger with a small multispec into rogue for the extra bonus action. So much fun just nailing enemies from ages away and taking down or disabling enemies so that my melee companions could deal with the bigger threats with ease

[@TheRavenLord1]

The moment when even fellow rangers don’t want to be near other rangers

[@KasaiRayquaza]

(Reaches into the computer and gives 5e Ranger a hug.) It's okay, man. I still love Rangers. I mean... You get a nice blend of fighting abilities and magic abilities. AND, how else can you get a rideable pet dragon (Drakewarden) or summon an ARMY OF BEES (Swarmkeeper)?

[@acdcguy18]

2:08 As someone who doesn't play DnD, I have no idea who you're talking about.

[@ArilliusDM]

I'm playing a level 5 wisdom based ranger with Four attacks at lvl 5. Summon Beast, Primal Companion, Attack + Extra Attack. And all of them key off my wisdom score with a high wisdom with using shillelagh from druidic warrior or a 1 lvl dip into druid. Now, I will grant you this, my favored enemy isn't that useful, but I did opt for that instead of favored foe since my concentration goes to my spells all the time. Deft Explorer, however, gave me expertise in perception, and in on 1 more level I'll be getting a swim and climb speed.

[@Pessimists]

Ranger has the potential to be just the most powerful class in bg3 if used and built properly, it's insane

[@Artrysa]

To be fair, if your dm likes using terrain and travel rules a ranger can be an absolute godsend. They bring pretty cool utility and support stuff, it's just not used often enough :(

[@saraphys5555]

It also doesn't help that 5E Ranger is being designed by people who don't know how to design games...because they all left before 5E released! ...where as BG3 Ranger was designed by people who played the game, understand game design, and thus made changes that don't just make sense, they make it playable! Once TOV is released... I really hope you guys do a TOV/5.5-6E/BG3 comparison... (if you dont know why Im calling out Kobold Press' "Tales of the Valiant", its because alot of former Tabletop vets who worked on 3E, 4E, & began work on 5E, now work at Kobold Press...so they too know how to design a class!)

[@Mr__V]

I main rangers. And love them. In 2 campaigns I play, my ranger is both the party leader and Tank due to my abilitys and attack power. People keep complaining about rangers, but they let you tap into many different abilities, and if you plan your ranger around the campaign, they can be busted. My natural explorer is for swamps and forest, and we are in stuck in a mansion. But that mention is inside a swamp so I get my proficiency as a result because we are stuck on the property, not specifically inside it. My gloomstalker gets a plus 8 to initiative. I get extra attacks, Advantage on attacks once per turn, Can force disadvantage on 1 enemy attack once per turn, My stealth checks are an 11. With pass without a trace even a nat 1 is a dirty 20. With some armor and dual weild feat I get a 19 ac. Rangers are great IF you spend time learning them and prepping for your campaign.

[@amberb.7015]

I'm oddly drawn to rangers and was very excited in BG3 the first time I realized my raven was becoming ~shiny~. I've mostly played pathfinder and almost didn't play one after hearing about how bad the dnd 5e ranger was

[@AlexRobles-tl4jd]

They also have so many poisons they add to their arrows now. Also previously useless spells, like long strider, can now be ritually casted on your entire party until a long rest.

[@davidlewis5312]

BG3 is better than 2024 ranger

[@juanabreu3619]

Returning to this video after the 24 rangers video gives it another breath of fresh air, specially the end

[@AgentOracle]

4e ranger, in the distance, knowing full damn well that their class was the reason 5e ranger was nerfed into the ground. 3.5e ranger even further away, just being a chill bro.

[@PedestrianPony]

It's actually wild that they haven't made favored enemy into a rest mechanic called like "Hunter's Preparation" or something and allows the ranger to swap based on the situation or what enemies they expect to encounter. Minor change but would massively improve the D&D Ranger.

[@stevenjohnson6962]

I still say that my goblin hunter ranger is one of my favorite builds I've ever done. Sadly it was only used for a one-shot. He dominated a good portion of it until a berserker fairy with a magic Warhammer dominated the last half.

[@RyanWBL]

A Larian BG3 5E Player's Handbook for table top would be awesome.

[@cavik977]

Main takeaway from this Is the One DND version really that bad? I haven't kept up with the UA

[@galmenz6118]

no it isnt bad, its basically the TCE version with some minor bits and bobs changed. and TCE already is pretty serviceable

[@Nerd704]

@@galmenz6118 Big debate is what they are going to do with hunter's mark/favored enemy. It scored awful in the last playtest but wizards went wizarding and instead of putting out an update they washed their hands and said "ALL DONE".

[@galmenz6118]

@@Nerd704 they also left bard with a version that had arcane/divine/primal still on the game, and the playtest bard doesnt work at all without them

[@Aevum13th]

The original from the PHB was pretty bad, was considered ok with the subclasses in XGtE, then got good with Tasha's (giving variant features and an alternate Beast Master subclass). OneDnD is keeping up with the ideas from Tasha's, so its in a good place. A lot of this KZbinr's videos are based on the original PHB ranger, its been fine for years.

[@galmenz6118]

@@Aevum13th considering people still do "wizard dies of 1d4 damage" which hasnt been exactly true for a solid 20 years or so, its just the way internet stablished jokes go around

[@masoninman5687]

Dude, I haven’t laughed this good in a while, thx for making it man 🫡

[@AK-qh6lr]

Poor 5e ranger BG3 Beast Master is starting to sound a lot like the updated 5e Beast Master... Also, I love how supportive 5e Ranger is of BG3 Ranger

[@Aevum13th]

Kind of curious to see which Beast Master is better, the one from BG3 or the one from Tasha's.

[@vee1267]

Something tells me we’re gonna see a lot of people making a house rule that rangers at their table use the BG3 design instead

[@EuMesmoGFV]

Man, BG3 Ranger just choose violance that day

[@mimimshock]

2:09 “we all know who i’m talking about” me: “we do?”

[@volosguidetomonsters3440]

If this was 2018 this would be exactly correct

[@bakedstreetyt]

And what changed now?

[@TheKodiak72]

If someone picks up the PHB, this video is still correct.

[@volosguidetomonsters3440]

absolutely correct @@TheKodiak72

[@ДаниилСоколов-д7ъ]

3:52 - "Stay over there" I died

[@thelastninjapanda3571]

"My people make sure that every class is strong and playable here" Circle of Spores crying in the corner with melee features despite not getting Extra Attack

[@vitorapereira9469]

To be fair he dont need a extra atk, he is already too op.

[@galmenz6118]

you have a full magazine of spells to use. cleric doesnt get extra attack either and it doesnt need to, its fine

[@manwithapointystick3871]

They made huge improvements for Circle of Spores already, Extra Attack would be unnecessary

[@thelastninjapanda3571]

@@vitorapereira9469 OP?? Circle of Spores is absolutely TERRIBLE. Their main feature, which takes an action to use despite moon druid using a bonus action, can be taken away after a single round of combat because it's reliant on you having the Temp HP. The reaction damage is inconsistent and very weak. The nature of the extra melee damage requires you to either always have a pretty bad concentration spell active, or become M.A.D., and at higher levels it becomes SO obsolete, because two dice of damage plus wisdom is pretty decent at low levels, but as soon as you get to like level 5 it's bad. the zombie uses the TERRIBLE monster statblock and never gets better, despite plenty of other similar spells and class features (like wildfire druid) having their minion scale with you. and Spreading Spores completely goes against EVERYTHING all of the previous features give you, including the added protection of your spore aura, in exchange for a TERRIBLY underpowered and tiny AOE effect. I recommend Bone Wizard's "How You Should Buff Spore Druid"

[@thelastninjapanda3571]

@@manwithapointystick3871 extra attack was probably a shortsighted example, but Spores druid is still GOD AWFUL. if you'd like to see my reasoning you can check my reply to vitoriapereira

[@Necro718]

It's become a house ruleset to use the Ranger changes in BG3 at our table. Now my players actually WANT to play Ranger.

[@derrickhaggard]

I'm playing as a Tabaxi Gloomstalker Ranger in a Lost of Mine Phandelver game that may or may not do the Shattered Oblisk half of the new version of LoMP and so far she's kicking ass especially in both close-range combat and long-range combat along with healing when needed.

[@jcdenton2187]

Duke for some reason thinks Rangers still suck, even though Tasha's came out years ago. I don't really get it.

[@attackins1470]

I fully allow the use of the BG3 Ranger at my table.

[@MemoristCed]

But when a long train of nerfs and recalculations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces poor design to reduce a class under absolute obsolescence, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such blunderment, and to provide new rules for their future rangerity. Such has been the patient sufferance of these players, and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Gameplay. --The Declaration of Independent DMs

[@tskophield9230]

And that’s why as a DM, I make ranger companions have their own unique character sheet/stat block and they get their own initiative! And I will give the hunter subclass the ability to hide and do a smaller version of the rogue’s sneak attack..

[@MrKingKrow]

They could've given us this instead but instead gave us worse Tasha ranger

[@swiftstrike4044]

BG3 Ranger: Smells like broke over there. PHB Ranger: I hate rich people.

[@FunkThompson]

Someone just publish Larian's changes as a TTRPG supplement :D Other than jump requiring an action *grabs pitchfork* :D

[@GAMER32231]

Jump doesn’t require an action???

[@FunkThompson]

@@GAMER32231 It does / did in BG3?

[@leohunter801]

When I got BG3 for the Xbox, I decided that I wanted to do a wood elf ranger, then after thinking about it I decided to do the weirdest multiclass one can imagine: gloomstalker ranger and tempest cleric I ultimately changed my mind last minute but it's was going to be 7 lvls in ranger and the other 5 in cleric

[@raphaelgomes7027]

Well, Ranger in Pathfinder 2e dont suck 😆

[@VoidKing666]

Okay I can’t be the only one who LOVES playing rangers and lives for their story opportunities…. right?

[@elikyiael8740]

FINALLY

[@elikyiael8740]

and after seeing the video i can - again - say FINALLY

[@MrFuggleGuggle]

I’d play Rangers more often in 5E too if Magic Arrows were literally EVERYWHERE and I could score 20+ Arrows of Many Targets.

[@joselocombi6127]

Now that we know the new ranger 2024... 😢, why!?!? Couldn't you follow Larian example? It svcks still 😭🤧

[@AnimeOnEdge]

Can't wait to see BG3 Ranger invite 5e Ranger to the 2024 edition party...... Sadly, he was grounded by his parents at Wizards of the Coast for having too much fun with BG3.

[@jefferydavidson5347]

Bro REFUSED to read Tasha’s Cauldron of Everything 💀 It fixes all 5th edition Rangers, especially Beast Masters

[@Aevum13th]

I wish one day there is a video involving the "5e Ranger" character looking at Tasha's.

[@manolispiperias7608]

These are amazing , please keep them coming!