6.5 Creedmoor and 7mm-08 For Deer Hunting

[@HALWG51]

I have deer hunted with a 30-06 for 45 years. But if I was starting to deer hunt today, the 7mm-08 would be my first choice. It's almost the perfect caliber for whitetail deer.

[@jasonforester4572]

I'm a little late to the party here. I have a 7mm-08 and a 6.5X55 and really like both. Great calibers. Thank you for taking the time to produce this informative video.

[@Rooster762x51]

I wish there were more rifle options in 6.5x55 Swede. Basically only Tikka and maybe CZ.

[@jasonforester4572]

@The Riff Lair Those two plus Sauer, Sako and Ruger has a special edition of their M77 Hawkeye in 6.5X55.

[@johnt4060]

I'll say this, the 7mm-08 is one heckuva deer cartridge. I have a 30-06 and for years I swore by it, but in recent years I've been introduced to the 7mm-08 and I'm amazed at how good of a caliber it is. It provides a perfect combination of Ballistic coefficients, flat trajectory, bullet selection, low recoil and ideal down range power.

[@easttexan2933]

you would fall in love all over again with the 6.5 CM too

[@canecutter77]

Agreed. if only Remington had the marketing genius of Hornady, just about everyone would have their dad's ole 7mm-08 in the gun case. And not to drop a grenade and run, but while we are on 7mm's, the .280 Remington ever so slightly beats out the .270 Winchester, but again, Remington just didn't have the marketing prowess.

[@johnt4060]

@@canecutter77 280rem is an amazing long range cartridge and even better was a 280ai. If only they were more widespread

[@gregwalker4236]

myself a victim of the magnum craze of the last century, i'm glad to see sensible cartridges like the 7-08 finally really getting the spotlight. recoil manageable, meat destruction minimal. i hope the 600 yd hunting club has limited membership. hunting is not war where merely wounding the enemy is prescribed.

[@ashmerch2558]

100% my friend, my 300 Win Mag really doesn't get out the safe much anymore... my 7mm-08 just about lives in my truck. Ive shot deer with both, and I can honestly say I'd rather hit a deer with the 7mm-08, so much less destruction, and more edible deer. Ive never shot a deer past 200yrds, here in the north east it'd be extremely rare. Every local shop says they sell more 30-30 before deer season than almost anything.

[@ryanehlis426]

In western hunting with lots of open country 600 yards is reasonable with proper optics and loads.

[@sergioantoniolazzaro1995]

I was also the last of the magnums, who has not been, I keep most of my shots within 300 meters, however I have been able to hunt with the 270, at 440 meters, it is the longest shot I have successfully fired, and it was the maximum distance after much reflection from my team and the Kiss or easy principle, after having injured 2 or 3 deer with bad experience.

[@nathanlambshead4778]

@@ashmerch2558 I live in the Northeast also. My longest shot ever was 55 paces. My shortest shot was in the neighborhood of 8 feet. And I missed haha. Carbines with open sights is the only way to go in the north woods.

[@markr5132]

@@ryanehlis426 Not ethical for 95%+ of the hunters under typical conditions,, wind, elevation etc... Go to the range and look at the 1st cold bore shot of the vast majority of shooters at anywhere near this range and its a miss, and the target doesn't ever move during flight. Estimates according to Gov sources claim in some area's 20+% of game is wounded and not recovered and I bet the vast majority of those shots are much less than 600 yards.

[@bergerbroer1]

I just love the 270w. I've used it all African game from Springbok in the Kalahari to massive Kudu in the bushveld in the Limpopo valley. One shot kills had been the norm...the 270 is just very versatile and reliable.

[@mot0rhe4d40]

The range of game out there will certainly challenge a calibers versatility. This is one of many examples of why the 270 soldiers on.

[@nathanlambshead4778]

270 is a nice upgrade to the venerable old 303 British that I used in SA.

[@mot0rhe4d40]

If nothing else , thanks for pointing out how close in velocity my 7-08 in a 140 flavor is to that of the venerable 270. Hadn't considered comparing those two against one another.

[@jrdixon51]

Great video, i was afraid i maybe should have gotten the 6.5 after hearing but this shows me my 7mm08 is no noticeable difference in the 2 rifles. but i will have a 6.5 creedmoor as i have 5 grandsons that will soon be needing low recoil rifles. 3 boys are proficient with .22cal's now. thanks for great, very informative video

[@daltonv5206]

Recoil numbers for the 6.5, especially the 140gr is impressive. That's a great deer round. More than enough energy, even at 400 yards with minimal recoil.... That's why it's so popular. Family member uses a 7mm-08 and has taken 3 deer the last 2 years. Using Hornady sst's all have dropped in their tracks. Jello inside. They were only 50yd shots but man it's nice dropping them in their tracks and not ruining meat. Don't think you can go wrong with a 6.5 or 7-08

[@deletethis5489]

actually the difference between all three is so minimal, it's not worth writing to the NRA or Congress about. one or the other will not make or break your hunt. hunters need to stop being salesmen.

[@dalanwanbdiska6542]

25.06 is also pretty awsome.

[@auzziguy449]

@@dalanwanbdiska6542 barrel burner

[@dennydavis2914]

This has nothing to do with the 6.5cm vs 7mm-08 comparison, but I have taken 7 deer in the last 2 years with a 243, all at right at 125 yards (I know, that isn't that far) and all but one dropped in their tracks and the other one went about 60 yards. I do plan to get a 7mm-08 for next season just to have something different.

[@DD-kx8ed]

If you are strictly a target shooter go with the 6.5. The 7mm-08 is better for hunting because of the wider selection of .284 bullets.

[@joeditz48]

D D 7-08 has a WAAAYYY wider selection! Thanks for bringing this up

[@outdoors4life884]

If recoil doesn’t bother you the .270 win beats both I don’t understand why folks don’t see that don’t get me wrong I have a 6.5 creedmoor and I love it but it’s in black and white if you are open minded about the whole deal. Now will I carry one over the other? Nope. I’m going to carry which ever one I want but if you look at ballistics and performance the .270win has the advantage

[@G5Hohn]

Viscous Shear if it doesn’t blow up;). For bulls selection, 7mm and 30 cal can’t be touched. But my 6.5 does all I need, so having lighter or heavier adds no value to me.

[@johnnyroberts3386]

I've been hunting with a 6.5 for a year I'm very happy with it. If I want anything bigger I just break out the 300 win mag.

[@mdhunter03]

@Otium Borealis Not to mention the tack driving accuracy and light recoil . ; )

[@555Trout]

Enjoyed your video. I think the recoil issue is much larger than most people think. I'm a firearms instructor for a long time. And when you see the negative effect of recoil on shooting fundamentals, its pretty serious. Sometimes a flinch develops so bad that its not curable. And then you find that people won't practice with their guns because its just not enjoyable. Science seems to suggest anything above 10 ftlbs on the recoil will be uncomfortable to most people. So, the cartridges here are quite excellent for deer hunting. I advise people to download their rounds when the standard load breaches the 10 ftlbs limit. No loss in performance with ethical hunting distances, and no degradation of shooting fundamentals do to flinching or lack of practice. One of my favorite hunting loads is a downloaded .308 with a 130gr monolithic. 2600 MV, and good to go to about 300yds. Recoil pleasant and all you need to hunt deer and pigs. One last point, gun fit matters. And if a gun fits poorly, the recoil problem is bigger. Larger game, say an Elk, well now we're into a tough spot trying to have adequate power with tolerable recoil. My solution, practice with downloaded rounds, then go full bore on the hunt.

[@stevestringham1095]

well said man. every word.

[@555Trout]

@@stevestringham1095 👍 thx brother.

[@jaredthibodaux6796]

I reload for about 30 different calibers and hunt with many of those, 7mm-08, 270 Win (and WSM) and a 6.5x55 SE (ballistic twin to the Creedmoor) are all among them and I consider all of them to be top tier deer/hog rifles. That said if we were to split hairs the breakdown looks like this. The 7mm-08 is the most pleasant to shoot of the bunch being less overbore than the other two meaning less muzzle blast and recoil is very mild even driving 140gr bullets well above factory speeds (2922fps chrono verified). While I love my 7mm-08 now I was about ready to throw it in the river at first, it took some doing to get it to group, factory ammo and my first attempts to handload shot 4-7" groups at 100 yards, very frustrating. If anyone else encounters this problem try Ramshot Big Game powder it was my magic cure. The 6.5x55 is easily the most accurate of the bunch, 6.5mms are well known for scary nail driving accuracy, mine punches single hole groups at 100 yards with Hornady SSTs and SUB MOA groups with literally everything else, but it has more drop then the other two given it's lower speed (around 2800fps with 140s using RL22). Recoil is VERY light but the muzzle blast is pronounced with my warm handloads behind a short 22" barrel making it seem like more to those around you. The 270 achieves the flattest trajectory of the bunch with hunting weight bullets and at close range has the highest energy, and while they are not as hair splitting accurate as my 6.5 both hold 1/2-3/4" groups at 100 making them more then accurate enough for any hunting, I have yet to find a 270 I could not get some really good accuracy out of very quickly. The recoil on a 270 is significantly more pronounced than the other two taking the 270s out of the "sissy kicker" category in my book, not painful but not exactly fun either, both 270s are 24" barrels so the muzzle blast is not any worse than the 6.5x55 IMHO. All three have performed well for me on deer/hog class game, most drop in their tracks longest tracking job to date was only about 30-40 yards and that was my fault for marginal shot placement, you cannot go wrong with any of the three in my book.

[@Me2Lancer]

I agree with your preference for the 270 Winchester. Can't believe the guy said, short actions are always better than long actions. Actually, those are standard actions.

[@sergioantoniolazzaro1995]

270 can be less than 05 moa you only have to shoot more than 150 yards and no more than 2 shots

[@dennydavis2914]

I am disabled with arthritis so I have to stick with the "sissy kickers", but I agree that if you are going to hunt elk you would be doing good to have a 270.

[@danielcronkhite6539]

All I can say is it's the shooter that makes the gun! It's not the gun that makes the shooter! It doesn"t really matter which one of the three calibers you like. Their all good calibers, and at the end of the day knowing your gun is what counts.

[@SakoBrownBearHH]

Great video for beginners like myself, trying to learn as much as we can about firearms for hunting. Liked and subscribed!

[@Obelisk57]

I own all .308 derivatives, 243, 260, 7mm08 and, 308. My favorite is 7mn08.

[@TXLorenzo]

Don't forget the .357 Winchester, its a thumper.

[@ozcampnhuntdan7858]

Very interesting video indeed, its amazing when you look at the pure values I actually wonder why people have bought the 6.5. The 7-08 seems far more advantageous and efficient (not including the minimal recoil difference). It seems the 6.5 creedmore trend will fade away in time. It also shows why, to recoil tolerant hunters the 270 has stood the test of time. Keep up the great vids.

[@moosiah]

Keeping my 7mm 08 pistol -- what recoil ??

[@ozcampnhuntdan7858]

Exactly, my 7-08 has virtually no recoil and hits like a hammer.....why would anyone want to explore other options ?

[@moosiah]

well --- my Other pistol is a .308 so -------

[@ozcampnhuntdan7858]

I would be more impressed if it was a 45-70

[@daltonv5206]

6.5 will stick around. 7-08 is very popular here in NY. A lot of people have dropped their magnums for it.

[@buckdown1658]

Thanks for the video man, I appreciate it. One thing that might make a good video would be the .308 case comparison. .243 Win, 7mm-08, .308, .338 Fed etc. Would be interesting to see

[@joztunes69]

7mm-08 all the way

[@deletethis5489]

you are fkn wrong

[@DeanMk1]

@BLUE COLLAR BOXING ...you can talk to deer?....IMPRESSIVE! =)

[@robertcarr6270]

10 4 budir

[@DeanMk1]

@@robertcarr6270 WHAAAAT?

[@youngin881]

7mm-08!!!!!

[@celticwisdom.7430]

Having shot all 3 calibres and observed their impact on game I would have to say the .270 is by far the best choice for me from 250 yds on.The 7m 08 is also a fine choice but I think the 6.5 is lacking at what alot of people are making it out to be. The 6.5 is very accurate on target shooting but I don't see any improvement at 300 yds over the 6.5x55 swede in fact I would go for the 6.5x55 over the 6.5 creedmore, but hey that's just me and my experience and having fired a couple hundred rounds in testing.

[@nathanlambshead4778]

6.5 Cr is a great round, but hyped up to the moon. A shame how it is being advertised as 'better' by writers who know better, but are just getting paid to hype fake stats,

[@oleboy7615]

Agreed. The 7-08 is a much better round for hunting, and will actually keep up with the 6.5 for competition.

[@auzziguy449]

@@oleboy7615 I'm no expert but pretty sure 6.5 groups tighter for competition shooting. I would lean toward 7mm-08 as the best all round choice here too but if you go 270win you might as well go for like a 7mm rem mag.

[@oleboy7615]

@@auzziguy449 I imagine the grouping will depend more on the shooter than the rifle btwn the two.

[@JLUDE01]

These are by chance the 3 deer cartridges I use and love. Anyone hating on the 6.5 Creedmoor must be a person who didn't own a cell phone for the first time until 2010 because "you don't need that new fangled stuff!"

[@bgallaher77]

Ha! I like it. That guy also shoots a 30-40 Krag... hard to find ammo for it..

[@JLUDE01]

Good video. The reason I bought my 7mm-08 was because it matched the performance of my 270 win for hunting purposes with less recoil and was available chambered in lightweight hunting rifles with shorter barrels, better for hunting timber. When the 6.5 CM became popular I bought 2! It is essentially identical performance to my 7mm-08 but much easier to find ammo for 6.5CM in 2018!

[@bgallaher77]

I bought a browning xbolt micro midas, which is the nicest rifle I own. In 7mm08. Easiest rifle to carry around hunting I have ever had. Love it. Still like my Ruger M77 in 270, but it is pretty beefy (ie overbuilt) compared to the xbolt.

[@robertrich2492]

You look at the whole enchilada, 7mm08. Reloading has greater advantage. You resize a .308 and you have a 7mm 08.

[@jaynovella5291]

Thank you for the high quality technical breakdown

[@doghousedon1]

I shoot both the 6.5 and 7-08. The 6.5 is a good deer cartridge. However I prefer the 7-08, as do my daughters. The difference in recoil isn't enough to sneeze at, I don't notice it. The 7-08 trajectory is flatter, it hits harder at longer ranges giving a good 50 yard advantage over the 6.5CM. The 7-08 can take heavier bullets better suited to bigger game. And it gives one more wiggle room for reloading, allowing one to heat things up more than the 6.5 can. I love both cartridges, but for now the 7-08 is my game hunting choice and the 6.5 gets everything else. Thanks for the vid.

[@tim7325]

.270 Win is the bomb.

[@trevorkolmatycki4042]

The 6.5CM and the 7mm-08 are both ideal for a dual purpose rifle that you wish to both hunt deer with and also use for high volume long range target shooting & marksmanship training at the range. Also great for women and children and as a junior training rifle.

[@anton1949]

Rem. Model 7 7mm-08. that's my gun. All you will ever need.

[@johnt4060]

anton1949 You sir know what's good. Perfect combination

[@T-DsGaming]

Sadly Remington rifles are shit now, after being bought out they aren't even worth buying now.

[@johnt4060]

KingLT82 I still buy em’ Great little rifles They may not be perfect but they’re better than a Mossberg or Savage

[@T-DsGaming]

@@johnt4060 No they are not better than a Savage, not by a long shot. Their QC is complete trash and they barely sell any rifles compared to Ruger and Savage because of it.

[@johnt4060]

KingLT82 I’ve shot em’ both side by side...

[@gradypoteat3053]

I have a 7mm-08 that I shot an antelope at a measured 568 yards. In entered the right ham, blew a 3 inch hole through the heavy ham bone, entered the body cavity, completely penetrated the body cavity, cut two ribs, penetrated the shoulder blade, and stopped 1/2 from exiting the meat, and retained 92% of its weight. I don't need anything better than that.

[@grizbait618]

When do you ever feel any noticeable recoil when shooting at game with those rounds?

[@rkba4923]

Pick your caliber/cartridge and platform then learn your system. "Beware the man with only one rifle, he probably knows how to use it." - unknown

[@mollyknaur3894]

ELMER KEITH said that about a handgun

[@lewstover7584]

RKBA -Jeff Cooper

[@jasonsliger5430]

I think that was Teddy Roosevelt

[@stevenlong1930]

Beware the man w just 1 rifle, he probably doesn't know what hes talking about

[@blaynemacpherson8519]

Steven Long and you are correct to a point.

[@ashmerch2558]

What about the 280 Ackley? Like a 270 but with better numbers and would be within 2 ft/lbs of recoil.

[@GeorgeSemel]

Not a bad commentary, I don't own a 6.5 Creedmore, but I have shot a number of 6.5 x 55's and I currently own an older Sako so chambered. I have hunted with a 7mm-08 back when it was first introduced, I also hunt with a 7 x 57 and I had at one time owned and hunted with over dozen 270's and a bunch more along with 338's 375's and 416 Remingtons. 400 yards in big game hunting is a far-off shot, doable but its a long way out to shoot, Deer Elk Moose or what have you are not paper targets. The 6 5 x 55 and 7mm x 57mm is pretty much a handloaders cartridge. A 270 or 30-06 is pretty much all the recoil most can withstand and still shoot fairly well, I will add my other favorite cartridge and the one I hunt with the most these days the 7mm Remington Mag. I have for a long time called the 6.5 x 55 and you could say the same of the 6.5 Creedmore they are pocket 270's you are not going to be able to tell the difference hunting big game with either one at least not the big game that most of us hunt or will ever hunt, deer size things of the White Tail persuasion. Where it gets interesting is when you start going to Elk Moose, Bison, for most it's a one or two hunts in a lifetime so it's kind of moot. I use to live in Alaska so things are different due to conditions and size of the Game hunted, I shot a 338 most of the time and I did have a 270 as well. Most of the time either would have been fine. Where I live and hunt now, a 30-30 Winchester or a 243 would be more than plenty, heck a 223 in an AR-15 would be fine too and then some, you be surprised on how many of those are used to hunt within Bush Alaska. But it's not so I don't. I still think that you can't go wrong with either a 270 or 30-06 and a good 4x or 6x fixed power sight in good strong mounts like Talley or Warne, Keep it simple. Ditto on the 200-yard Zero. As I have gotten older I don't over think this stuff as I did 50 years ago, now I think about how I am going to cook venison better and how I can improve my sauce making ability, seasons are short so I make up for it in the Kitchen. That was not so when I was young.

[@garythomas2735]

I shoot 7mm-08 Dropped deer & Black Bear hell over I Switzerland they kill moose with 7mm-08! All 7mm-08 is, is a necked down .308 that accepts 7mm bullet look it up... has same energy as a 308 but less recoil & shoots flatter then a .308. I've shoot 30-06 but I now use a Ruger American Predator in 7mm-08 a absolute amazing rifle!

[@zach_6.813]

I love the .270, i have shot many and owned a few. What so many people forget so easily is that you aren’t shooting the box. The numbers on the box mean nothing. And since at minimum 75% of hunters don’t reload, let’s use off the shelf ammo for a reference. The .270 is flat out awesome but the truth is there are a lot of older .270s as well as 7-08 rifles floating around and I’ve even seen one ammo manufacture state that they load lighter for the safety of these older firearms with modern pressures. That being said most of your .270s aren’t shooting that velocity printed on the box , especially because most .270 rifles have a 22 inch barrel where as a .270 needs 24 inches to shine and sometimes 26 to really bust the numbers. That’s a downfall of a longer casing, also standard deviation numbers tend to fluctuate more with the longer shell casing. 6.5s relatively new to market and can get by with a shorter barrel since it has less powder to burn completely. I’m not biased one way or the other own them all. But the truth is just like the 30-06 the .270 tends to run quite a bit slower than the box. Who_tee_who did a 30-06 factory ammo chronograph test that strongly illustrates my point on KZbin I highly recommend people watch.

[@iBleedStarsAndBars]

I reload for all 3 along with around 20 other calibers. I love the 6.5mm guns. I've always found it very easy to find good accurate loads

[@aaronsabin8868]

I reload 130's in 7-08 and they travel ~2875 fps at the muzzle in my Savage 16 22" and 2960 fps from my Weatherby vanguard 24". Barely feel the recoil. My savage weighs in at 8lbs 2oz with scope and rings, whereas my Weatherby weighs in at 9lb, 1oz with scope and rings. Obviously, I could spend a bit more $$$ and drop a handful of oz by buying better rings, but the weight savings doesn't justify the increased cost. Basic Weaver rings for 7.99 @ walmart. Both rifles shoot this 130gr Speer spbt so well I can't believe it some days. I save money on the bullets, and I use only 42 grains of H4895 for the round. So, it's also economical. I had a 30-06, but decided that I wasn't gaining a thing by spending more on brass and more on powder. I like the 30-06, but I don't hunt elk, moose or brown bears, so really it's unnecessary. I was using 150 grain spire points by Hornady in my 06, but using 51-60 grains of powder depending on the powder. I usually get ~30-40 rounds more out of a lb of powder by sticking with my 7-08. Good video.

[@fee_lo8346]

Great video. Inside of 400 yards no need for 270. Very reassuring for a guy like me with a bad back, neck and shoulder. Thanks. How about hogs? Any advantage to 7-08 on an animal like that or can I just go with 6.5 for both?

[@bgallaher77]

I’m sorry, I do not have any experience with hogs. I heard they are built more stoutly than deer. I imagine they would be fine with a decent bullet.

[@patrickgallagher4344]

I have to say this video is a lot less biased against the 6.5 creedmoor then the other video I’ve seen on KZbin called 7mm-08 vs 6.5 creedmoor! That guy owns an loves the 7mm08 and he fudges the numbers towards the 708 and goes as far as saying he can’t find recoil data on 6.5 creedmoor so he’s calling the recoil the same for the 2! This video is a much better comparison! Thanks for your honesty!

[@ThatOneGuyNamedJK]

I have both a 6.5 and the 7mm-08 both are excellent but one gun Ill never get rid of is my 30-06. I can load 110 grain loads and go shoot varmints or 220 grain loads for any walking in North America.

[@jaykay9695]

Thank you for the overview and comparison. I thought it was well done. A couple things you left out was barrel length and weight of the typical rifle for caliber. When you start with new shooters blast and weight typically have a negative impact. Now.., where the bullet hits the target AND having the correct bullet for the job, WITHIN the shooters skill level is all about bringing home the meat. These are the things more important than caliber wars.

[@johnkaraphillis754]

Thanks! I’m in the process of adding another rifle for deer hunting and have been contemplating which caliber to choose. It’s between a 25-06 and the 7mm 08. I’ve been going back and forth leaning towards the 08 due to the fact I have plenty of 7mm bullets for hand loading my 280 AI. Video clarified a few facts for me concerning ballistics, etc. Thanks again!

[@bgallaher77]

I have another video titled “the ultimate deer rifle cartridge.” That video gets lots of comments. Some are even polite. Lots of votes for 7mm-08. A solid cartridge that performs well and has modest recoil. The 25-06 is a pretty compelling choice, too. Rifles usually have 24” barrels, which gives around 50 fps more than a 22” barrel. Bullets in the 120 grain weight are good for deer and come out fast. If I did not already have a 270 I might get one. I did buy a 7mm-08 with a 20” barrel to compliment my 270...

[@couespursuit7350]

For the last 20 years I have been hunting deer with the 7-08 or 270WIN. The 7-08 was with handholds using 140gr SGK at around just over 2800+. I have taken most deer with the Hornady 270 140 SST Superformance (deadly) and a few with the Hornady Precision Hunter 145 ELDX and also the Federal 150 Fusion. All three have killed deer about the same. The 270's have a higher muzzle velocity and the recoil difference feels negligible but I will grant that the lesser recoil makes for generally better accuracy. Over the last couple of years I have been shooting the 6.4C in PRS and just having fun playing with it in a spotter weight rifle. To sum up, I would go with the 270 or 6.5C the 7-08 just is not enough different from the 6.5C and the 270 delivers more oomph for not much more recoil. BTW i just like the higher BC and sectional density of the heavier bullets in the 270WIN.

[@pseudopetrus]

I find that there is a threshold of workable recoil, with the 30 06 or 270, I can't take as much liberties as with the 7mm 08 or 6.5. What I mean by that is with off hand shooting, I can hike the 7mm 08 high in my shoulder pocket, so I don't have to drop my head to get a cheek weld, and I can shoot like that all day, with better accuracy, more consistent sight picture and better balance. The 270 is on the border, but the 30 06 is just a little uncomfortable, and I find myself needing to prioritize recoil mitigation in my stance. I do realize others can shoot a 30 06 off hand very well, but I am better with the 7mm 08. The 6.5 is real nice too in that regard. They are all great calibers, thanks for the great video.

[@bgallaher77]

There is an old-school rule from a book published around 1920 (found it in a college library when I was a student, couldnt tell you what it was, might have been published by Wheelen) that had a rule of thumb. 14 ft lbs is about the limit for being able to comfortably shoot a long time, for the average person at a stationary target. It was somewhat higher for moving targets (shotguns and clay birds). Seemed to be a good rule of thumb in my experience.

[@easy3088]

Which ammo is easier to find between 708 and 6.5?

[@bgallaher77]

My guess is 270 win. But in the current pandemic/election year shortage, it is anyone’s guess.

[@mr.mr.3301]

I’ve seen 308 mostly and 270 next.

[@justanobserver530]

Interesting comparison except the 7mm08 has about 25% more penetration power than the 6.5 using the 140grn at 100 yards. Look up banana ballistics tests. How closer or further distances compare?? but with a 25% better penetration window from 100 yards, that would fall into the range of over 90% of deer hunting range. Contrary to the numbers you mentioned

[@johnm8891]

7mm-08 for me. Great ballistics, good bullet selection, low recoil and less muzzle blast than .270. One thing the creedmoor has going for it lately is ammo availability.

[@robertgallagher374]

I shoot a Ruger M77 compact 7mm-08 with Barnes TTSX 140gr hand loads for everything - whitetail, muley and elk. Comfortable shooting out 400yds on deer, and 300-350 on elk.

[@llkj7944]

Agree all three are great white tail deer cartridges, mainly due to the fact WT deer are not all that hard to put down, in an other video you could likley add 25-06, 257 Roberts, 308 win , 260 rem, 7mm mauser, 284 win, and a few more in the light recoil, easy kill WT deer out to 300 yards. I own all three you mention, I carry the 270 ( hand load 143gr eldx 3050fps) primarily because there are elk, moose and big Mule deer to consider in the area too, but I would feel confident with my 7mm08 (hand load 150gr eldx 2800fps), the 6.5 (hand load 129gr LRX 2850fps) would get the job done on any animal too but be my third choice of the three.

[@trevorgale1176]

Recoil ? When your lining up that deer, your thinking of recoil !! BTW the 7mm-08 is awesome.

[@hankwebb3891]

I used to think the same, then I bought a 300 WSM. I have never felt recoil while hunting before that rifle. for whatever reason, the felt recoil was like a kick from a horse, more pain than pleasure, and I've shot several 45 cal large hunting rounds and a 50BMG with not recoil dampening. I didn't get auditory exclusion either, heard every shot. I sold the rifle and now looking at the 6.5 CM.

[@shaunh2015]

I don’t think about it anymore. My, now sold, 30-06 kicked the crap out of me and I couldn’t accurately hit anything over 200 yards just due to recoil flinch. With my 7-08, I am ringing a 6” gong all day at 500 yards. Now I think of fried tenderloins.

[@thomaswaldron4661]

If it kicks like a mule you may not want to shoot it. My wife hates recoil so i wont be getting her something with high recoil

[@johnt4060]

Thomas Waldron 243 would be pretty low recoil

[@johnt4060]

Shaun Haglund I used to be the same way. I couldn't shoot my 30-06 for anything. But then I got a shotgun and... When you shoot 3" slugs in a 5lb 12ga with a fixed mod choke, a 30-06 no longer bothers you

[@yahatinda]

For years I used a Number One Ruger in 270WCF here in Alberta .The 270 WCF is very moderate as far as recoil is involved .The 338 with 250 gr. has a whoop to it for sure.

[@jimbigboystoys4077]

Most of us are thinking about DEER hunting. It doesn’t take a large caliber bullet to cleanly down a deer. If you’re hunting deer, blackbear, or even elk or caribou at reasonable ranges... The 6.5 and the 7 mm will do the job just fine. Only when you go BEYOND that 400 yard mark, or when hunting larger game like moose or Kodiak bear would I suggest going with a higher caliber.

[@cody182005]

Really like the 7-08. Its a highly underrated cartridge. With my reloads of 162 gr ELD-X its a great long range performer. Gives me 1000 ft lbs out to 800m. Use a ballistic app and plug the numbers in for that bullet going 2750 fps and ill stack it against a creedmoor any day! I am running a 26" 5r barrel to be fair.

[@joeditz48]

cody william did you build the rifle yourself? What is it!? I must know the specs

[@erikprice3271]

Too be fair. Lol

[@rustyyates421]

They all work very well. The best gun is the one you shoot well. My two rifles for hunting has always been 3006. and 45 70. 3006 for longer ranges say out to 500 yards and 45 70 for a closer ranges on dangerous game at 200 yards on in, though both are capable of 1000 yard shots. I'm not recoil sensitive so these guns work for me because they will take down anything in the world. If I were recoil sensitive or maybe when I get older I would use the 7mm 08 simply because it competes with the 270 . and the recoil is about like a 30 30. To put things in prospective, my niece killed 9 deer in one season with a 223. Bolt action rifle when she was 12 years old. Shots were 30 yards on out to 130 yards.

[@davidpruyne7340]

We already had the 6.5 creedmore and 7mm08 years ago with the 6.5 sweed and 7x57 mauser

[@bgallaher77]

Yeah, except the 6.5x55 and 7x57 had better ballistics. So performance actually went down.

[@bustersmith5569]

@@bgallaher77 I don't understand your reply ?,

[@CactusJackPR]

For me the 30-06, i have use it for hogs, deer and elk.

[@GetMeThere1]

Nice comparison. Thanks for making it. Still, the simple and practical truth is that all three of those cartridges are going to be fine on deer -- unless the shooter is exceptionally sensitive to recoil. Seems like, these days, people are a bit TOO worried about recoil. If top rate accuracy is an issue it will be easier to develop with the 6.5 CM.

[@GaryRedbig]

How about the 243 to the 6.5 creed

[@greggwoods7173]

That was a good well reasoned presentation. Answered many of my questions. But why not go with the traditional 243 Winchester instead?

[@bgallaher77]

This video was a follow on to my other video “the ultimate deer rifle cartridge”. In that video I chose the 270, and made this video in response to comments on the 7mm-08 and 6.5cm. 243 is fine and recoils less than any of these three. I am comfortable with more recoil, so I use a 270.

[@stevemarshall7689]

7mm-08 or 6.5 creed are just way better yhan 243 for anything bigger than a coyote

[@MBCGRS]

My father was a Kuller in New Zealand during the 50s & 60s. Shot 4000+ Deer. Nearly all with a Mannlicher Schoenauer in 270 win.

[@daveyboy6985]

Was his name Rex Forrester?

[@daveyboy6985]

Thanks for replying. I read in one of Rex's books , how a n American ww2 veteran gave him a Mannlicher Schoenauer which the ex soldier had taken from the factory when the yanks invaded Germany. But now thinking about it, I think it was a 6.5 caliber. Apparently there spos to be one of the best rifle makes ever produced. Interesting what your father though of Rex though.

[@MBCGRS]

@@daveyboy6985 The Mannlicher rifle with the Schonauer rotary magazine is one of the finest bolt rifles you could ever use. Even Elmer Kieth agreed that they are second only to a double rifle for reliability and that is praise from Caesar. I have half a dozen in various calibres. Tell you a funny story about my Dad & Rex. They both worked for the same government department. My old man used to park in Rex's car park just to piss him off. Rex eventually went and had a cry to the Boss, who talked to my Dad. Rex then bragged around town that HE had sorted it out. My father heard this and very publicly asked Rex to step outside and sort it out once and for all. Rex declined. Dad continued to use his carpark.

[@daveyboy6985]

@@MBCGRS wow, your very fortunate to have thos rifles. Yes and I remember reading about that rotary magazine they had. They also had the double trigger set up eh? Funny hearing about your dad's working experience with Rex. Is your Dad still alive?

[@MBCGRS]

@@daveyboy6985 Most rifles have the twin set trigger arrangement, but not all. I have one in 270 win with a single set and oversize guard for use with gloves. Dad is still kicking around and we are off for a Red deer hunt next week...

[@skoolynugenator1802]

They are all fantastic calibers for hunting.

[@700sniperwolf8]

I have a 6.5 creedmoor n 7mm08 love them both

[@Oldhogleg]

The way I've always looked at it is that the range you expect to shoot at and the size/weight the animal you expect to harvest will dictate caliber and case size. The longer the range, the bigger the case size; the bigger the animal, the bigger the caliber! Any deviation from that logic sequence is a juggling of compromises for a specific preferred performance quality at the sacrifice of one or more of the other performance factors.

[@bgallaher77]

That is a good point. It you are shooting beyond a certain range you should be using a magnum. Otherwise the bullet may not perform. That range is up for debate, and the ethics are also debatable. But, if you plan on shooting at 450 or 500 yards, then you need something bigger than those listed in this video.

[@zapszapper9105]

260 Rem is also in that club of the 6.5 Creedmoor.

[@garryharris9098]

I have lots of guns, none of which ate either of these, thought of buying a 260 Remington one time bit as you say there is very little difference in b.c. all the calibers that will push a bullet ar 3000 fps. I like the 243 best for white tail sized game and use a 264 mag on bigger game. If I leave Texas I take the 7 mag.

[@countercivilization]

Just to say for hunting purpose out of a 270Win you can squeeze a lot more!! For example with some factory ammunition Hornady SST 130gr Surperformance @ 400yards velocity is 2325fps /1560 ftlb of energy/ if zero for 300yards drop is 4.1inch @400! See Hornady balistique table. Those figures are comparable with my own reload, out of a 24' bergara both with both 130gn VLD and Nosler BT). Great video :) Edit, actually drop is 3.6 inches @ 400 yard (in theory :)

[@flcop212]

I had a Browning BBR in 7mm=08. I wish I had never gotten rid of it. I need another rifle in that caliber. Still have all the dies, etc. Currently putting together an Aero M5 in 6.5 Jesusmoor. We'll see how it does. Thank for the well done comparison, @bgallaher77

[@adamwiech4874]

I own all 3 and like them all ,but the .270 hands down out to 400 yds is ballistically the best for elk and down ,the 7mm08 and 6.5 are enough medicine for deer and great guns for woman or children my daughter shoots the 6.5 creedmoor with no problem .

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Great video

[@denisleblanc4506]

I liked this video but think it made a better argument for the 7mm-08 than the 270 Win. Less recoil and shorter action are important wins for the 7mm-08. It gives you the option of going with a lighter handier (shorter0 rifle that would match the ballistics of the 270 and probably the recoil. Or having the same weight rifle and ballistics as the 270 with less recoil. 7mm08 wins. The 6.5 Creedmoor is a fantastic caliber too, but not in a deer hunting rifle. Where it shines is in long range precision and those are much longer than you should ethically shoot at deer. Whatever you do, never underestimate the effect of recoil on hunting precision. I've seen far too many poor shooters at the local range that suffer bad flinching and poor accuracy. Instead of the more powerful rounds giving them an advantage in the field it really reduces their effective range substantially. That's why the .243 has such a great reputation as a good shooting caliber. More people can shoot it accurately than more powerful calibers. It's not because the cartridge itself is more accurate but just that more people can shoot if without flinching. The last factor you didn't mention is the amount of meat you might loose because it's bloodshot. At closer ranges, the 270 Win can mess up a good quantity of meat and significantly more than either of the other cartridges. So it all depends on the type of hunting you do. Western long range shooters have always preferred the 270, but if you want the versatility of shorter range hunting, the 6.5 or 7mm08 are the better choices.

[@daltonv5206]

Denis LeBlanc 6.5 is every bit as good as the 7-08 for deer. I'd take either of them before a 270. 270 is overkill. The irony is the fact that my deer rifle is a 270win. But that'll be replaced come this hunting season after shooting and seeing the results of 7-08 the last two seasons.

[@zeissOholic]

The 140 gr velocity figure for the 6.5 CM shown in the chart above is about 200 fps slower than it should be making the comparison useless. The 6.5 Creedmoor is a fantastic deer round out to the same distance as the 7mm/08 which is 400-500 yards max and is definitely not just a target round. Arm chair experts don't have a clue what they're talking about most of the time.

[@RayBlackburn]

The 6.5 Creedmoor actually barely beats the 7mm-08 for velocity and energy at long ranges not only that it will knock down deer and hogs real easy as seen in one of my videos hog hunting on the farm with specialed309 and if you watch the specialed309 videos you will see him taking thousands of pounds of hogs with that 6.5 Creedmoor he shoots I chose the 7mm-08 over the Creedmoor because I can shoot heavier bullets up to 180 grain and have a bigger variety from the 7mm-08 while the creedmoor is limited to 160 grain max at this time Both so accurate they will knock down deer and hogs easy and not only that they both beat the 270, 30-06 and the 308 in velocity and energy when shot long ranges over 300 yards I have shot my 7mm-08 to 1000 yards and hit the X ring easy and it has always been considered a long range round preferred by some of the best shooters in the world for long range silhouette and bench rest competitions The 7mm-08 will beat any 270 on the market for long range shooting in every case so you have your facts all wrong there about which caliber will shoot the longer ranges and not only that but the 7mm-08 and the 6.5 creedmoor both beat the 308 and 30-06 also for long range shooting and knock down power

[@BeerHits]

Ray Blackburn -- Is the .280 Remington (7mm-06) with about 10% more powder capacity, better than the 7mm-08?

[@RayBlackburn]

The 280 is made for a long action and I'm talking about short action non magnum ammo but yes the 280 along with the 7mm mag and 7mm short mag would all have more power The heavier 7mm bullets are ballistically superior and have more energy down range 1000 yards than any of the lighter weight 6.5 bullets but the 6.5 creedmoor will still do a good job I just prefer the 7mm-08 for the extra energy and heavier bullets it shoots of which beat the creedmoor I have a new video with ballistics charts explaining how I know that kzbin.info/www/bejne/nJzVk4h7i7yfmtE

[@birddog7492]

A lot of these fancy rounds are great. I love them all. However If you are the average man and you are lucky enough to get off work and go deer hunting. pick a round you can find on the shelf at you're local sporting goods store. Or a friendly Walmart. I like .308 and 30-06 .270 or 3030. These guns may kick a little. But you can find these rounds any where Ammo is sold. I killed a nice 8 point yesterday with my .308 150 Gr pointed soft point. And now I think I will hunt my next White tail with my 30-06. Happy hunting!

[@beefcakes27]

This appears to be a recoil based video. How many shots are you taking on your hunting trip? The .280 matches the 6.5 to 800 meters and brings a hunting load. I own both and would not recommend replacing your .280 with a 6.5 to reduce recoil if your taking under 200 shots a season.

[@stanleyjflodin2578]

Thanks for all the knowledge.I have almostsettled for the 7-08. I will be hunting deer andantelope. I am recoil shy,so it is important tome. Availability of caliber bullet is also importantto me,the 6.5 creedmore ?Thanks AgainStan Flodin

[@stevemarshall7689]

7-08 is a great hunting round so is the creedmore

[@mr.skeptical3071]

I'll take a .284 any day! 708 baby!!!

[@ValadezReels]

A great round. I have been debating on the 7mm-08. Very similar in ballistics if you compare same ammo maker, like Hornady. The 7mm-08, aka the .284, has been touted as outperforming 6.5 and 308. If you have any good opinions, please let me know. Thanks.

[@bgallaher77]

Jack O’Connor wrote about an African safari he went on where his wife carried a 7x57 Mauser (same ballistics as a 7mm-08), (I think) he had a 280 (30-06 necked down to 7mm), and another hunter had a 7mm Mag. He wrote that the effectiveness of all three rounds was identical.

[@ltcjwb2327]

7-08 is NOT the .284, although the diameter is the same. .284 win case is larger in diameter, rebated rim, much greater case capacity (almost 20%). Totally different animal.

[@TexanUSMC8089]

they are all .284 cal though.

[@ltcjwb2327]

Of course they are. Not to belabor the point, but 7x57, 7-08, 280 Rem, 7mm Rem Mag, and 28 Nosler all use .284 diameter bullets. I think you will find each of them a different breed of cat. 7x57 and 7-08 performance is similar, but the others are considerably different.

[@GeorgeSemel]

In what fantasy is a short action better than the Standard 30-06 length action? it's a 1/4 inch bolt throw difference. I have been shooting a 7mm-08 since 1982, along with a 6.5 x 55, 7mm x 57mm that I hand load for. As for the 270, I got five of them. As you state they are pretty close, you would be hard-pressed to tell the difference shooting game with any of them. It really comes down to how the particular rifle fits you and how well you shoot it. I don't own a Creedmoor for the simple reason, I got a very very good 6.5 x 55 and the Creedmoor dose nothing that rifle will not do. It's all splitting hairs. In the end, you could just shoot a 30-06 and not sweat it, for most of the world's big game. It all has little to do with want. The idea that Round Nose or Flat Base Bullets are no good or useless is just plain laughable.

[@seabass22]

The 270 doesn’t have a lot of recoil. My dad just got a Howa 7-08. It shoots smooth as hell. I like it a lot. Might get one next year. Then again, might get one in 308 instead.

[@seabass22]

GastonGross i want a 308 for a woods gun. But I have my 30-06, not really that concerned about it anymore.

[@308blr2]

You’ve done research and made thoughtful comments that viewers should appreciate; and at 9:59 you said, “Short actions are better than long actions”, and I missed hearing any evidence to support that opinion. I appreciate your comments and comparisons about recoil; and would point out that in a hunting scenario that might have many repetitive shots recoil could have a cumulative effect compared to deer hunting where shots are infrequent. It seems recoil would have no bearing to some hunters. Many areas have had restrictions that steered hunters to 12 gauge slug guns which recoil quite heavily and hunters have to ignore recoil and absorb it. Some hunters prefer larger calibers and heavy bullets in calibers such as .30-06, .358 Winchester, .35 Whelen, .45-70, .375 H&H, .300 Win Mag, .30-378 and .338 Lapua to name a few. Anyone using these rounds would be absorbing heavier recoil and may require long actions or magnum actions. It seems a short action wouldn’t be best and instead would be unusable. During the past two seasons and ten deer harvests I’ve fired a 290 grain bullet seven times and a 168 grain bullet three times. In no instance was a short action used and in no instance was recoil noticed. Each of those ten was harvested with a single shot from a single shot rifle. Those shots ranged from fifteen yards to three hundred yards. Ballistics tables can be interesting and fun to study and compare. The most important ballistic tables are for the rounds one chooses to hunt with. Hunters may enjoy shooting from a plethora of suitable cartridges. Once cartridges are selected in whatever actions one likes it would be prudent to become familiar with those rounds and enjoy the shooting experience, including the recoil. Whatever round a hunter chooses a good knowledge of the quarry’s anatomy and the hunting skill to be close enough to accurately fire a lethal shot is essential.

[@bgallaher77]

This is a fair point, that I did not support the long v short opinion. I started hunting with a 300 Mag. Hunting was fine, but sighting in and target practice with that beast was brutal. Eventually I moved to a 270 and have used that for 10 years. I like the 270 because it works and because I find the recoil manageable when shooting from a bench or at paper targets, when you feel the recoil. I have also shot NRA sporting rifle matches at 200 yards with a 243. Those matches include 4-shot rapid fire strings. I found that working the short action of the 243 was easier than the long action on the 270 to a small but perceptible degree. There is less if a risk of short stroking the short action. All things being equal, I would go with a short action. As you point out, if you want a 30-06 based cartridge or traditional magnum, the you are stuck with long action. For me, long action is not a deal breaker. Short action preferred, but not to the point where I would only use a short action. If I want to shoot 100 to 120 grain bullets at deer, I go short action. Bigger then I go long action. I would not sell a 270 to get something that is short action... but if I had the two rifles already... Anyway, thank you for the comment. Oh, at some point a person has to decide if they are a shooter who hunts (probably want something that has low recoil so you can spend time at the range) or a hunter that shoots (sight in the gun once, go hunting and never worry about recoil again so long as you don’t get hit with the scope). I chose shooter who hunts.

[@308blr2]

Your response makes sense and if I had been more familiar with you videos then perhaps I would not have raised the point. I have been slammed to the turf a few times and punched a bit within the confines of the ropes; and I suppose I embrace the contact and recoil more than some. Your recoil considerations for range work are quite proper. I prefer shooting the .358 Winchester and .454 Casull. I suppose I just enjoy a bit more feedback. Thank you for responding.

[@chipsterb4946]

This video is trying hard to show 6.5 Creedmoor equivalency to 270 Winchester. I’ve been studying ballistics data from a variety of sources for an upcoming bolt action build. 270 Winchester beats 6.5 Creedmoor in every measure except recoil energy. If you have a rifling twist rate faster than the traditional 1:10, the 270 runs away even faster. For a lightweight hunting rifle 7mm-08 appears to be an excellent compromise. Recoil is substantially less than 270 Winchester. It can stabilize heavier bullets than a traditional 270 Win. rifle can. A 22” barrel will get almost all of the velocity 7mm-08 has to offer, where 24” is ideal for 270. There are LOTS of great bullets to choose from if you hand load. 6.5 Creedmoor is a superb target/competition cartridge, in large part due to its light recoil and performance with lighter bullets (such as 120 grains). That is what it was designed for. A recent trip to a large gun store had about 40% of rifles in 308, 40% in 6.5 CM, and the remaining 20% covering everything else. There were only 3 rifles chambered in 7mm-08. Ammo availability is a bit better but 6.5 Creedmoor still wins. New brass for 7mm-08 is hard to find and mostly very expensive.

[@jessebusby7685]

270 is faster..and by the charts its flatter..do you feel recoil when shooting at a deer? So basically you prefer a short action?

[@jonx20009]

.270 have short action also, it's the .270wsm.

[@jessebusby7685]

@@jonx20009 the video didnt mention a 270 wsm

[@jonx20009]

The author did said 6.5 creedmoor and 7mm rem are short action and short action are better than long action. It's written toward the end of his summary.

[@jessebusby7685]

@@jonx20009 did he say anything about a 270 wsm?.. no..I don't get your point..the 6.5 and 7mm08 are indeed sa..but you brought up a cartridge that has nothing to do with this whatsoever..the author is obviously biased in favor of the 6.5..he ignored ballistics,speed and trajectory and claimed it was better than the 270 and 7mm08..

[@jonx20009]

My point is when you asked him "so basically you prefer a short action?", if so there is the .270wsm.

[@SFsc616171]

270 in 30-06 case, 7mm in 308 case, which one for your shoulder?

[@G5Hohn]

If you plug in a 130gr Partition load from Federal in .270 against a 129 SST from Hornady, you'll find that the .270 has the same energy at 75 yards as the 6.5 does at 25 yards. As you go longer in range, the 6.5 gains on the .270 until it passes it somewhere around 300y and actually has more energy. Add to that the reduced recoil of the 6.5, the smaller powder charges (like 1/3rd less powder in some instances) and I think the 6.5 is incredibly well rounded and gets a lot closer to the .270 than I would have expected. I doubt a deer would notice the slight advantage of the .270 at shorter range.

[@gregwalker4236]

for a 6.5, i'll take the old swede, since i reload. for the 7mm, i'll take the 7 mauser, and for the magnificent 270 i'll take the 25-06' ...if i couldn't reload, i'd take the 270 win all day every day... thanks!

[@bgallaher77]

It is interesting that the 6.5x55 outperforms most of the contemporary 6.5mm. And that the 7x57 is better than the 7mm08.

[@easttexan2933]

this is only true if one reloads. Commercial ammo mfg's (US) load light on the 6.5 Swede (6.5x55) and the 7x57 due to liability issues with older military issued rifles with weaker receivers. The 7mm08 does not suffer this indignation and is loaded to it potential. The 7x57 loaded to its full potential is basically a 270. I like shooting the 6.5x55 with Federal 140gr at 2650fps. Does everything a 270 does at 2900fps without the increase in felt recoil.

[@lyleswavel320]

Browning 7mm Remington mag with BOSS on barrell, kicks like a 223, 140 grain bullets, nothing walks off

[@kevi152]

I use a Mauser 66 in 7x57 and my bolt action is shorter than the so called short action rifles ! Self loaded 7x57 Mauser is comparable to the 270 and can easily accommodate 180 grain bullets. I use a 177 grain brenneke TIG bullets to good effect. These are torpedo tailed bullets and have an excellent BC. Believe the old 7mm Mauser to be superior to the 7-08 , 270 and the 6mm creedwhatever which is a copy of the 6.5 x55 Swede.

[@bgallaher77]

I recently bought a 7mm-08, and would have preferred a 7x57 if it had been an option.

[@whatstheproblem6606]

Thoughts on the "new" 6.8 ?

[@bgallaher77]

Interesting. I just looked up an article that had the SAMII drawing and some ballistics. Looks like a reboot of a 270 Winchester Short Magnum, but ever so slightly shorter than the 270 WSM. Without looking into it much... you pay for velocity with recoil, and it will give more of both compared to the old 270 Winchester. If I wanted less recoil than the 270 Winchester, I would not get the 6.8 Western. I doubt that a person could feel the difference when shooting a 270 WSM vs a 6.8 Western. If I wanted more velocity than a 270 Winchester, then I wouldn't care about recoil and it would be one of many options. Or, if I wanted something with high velocity, I would find a rifle I liked and then choose whatever was available. 270 WSM. 6.8 Western. 270 Weatherby, or any of the 7mm analogs. Once the bullet leaves the rifle barrel, there is not much difference between a 0.277 and 0.284 diameter. You have to remember, gun companies make money when they sell a rifle, and in a saturated market they are always looking to find and sell a better mousetrap.

[@whatstheproblem6606]

bgallaher77 true that, yeah I just watched some articles on it, just wondering people's opinions, but it is a new (old) caliber basically, not interested in purchasing one as I've got the .270 an like you say if I wanted more I got a 7mm mag

[@deansikorski6596]

6.5 Creedmoor is a great squirrel/varmint caliber.

[@joegreen4089]

But not better than the 25 creedmoor or the 6mm creedmoor or the 22 creedmoor

[@Me2Lancer]

Thanks for your post. For shooting within ethical hunting distances I'll take the 7mm-08 and 270 Winchester over the 6.5 Creedmoor any day.

[@filipbusse3379]

Hello mate, Could You give me some advice in term of barrel life of these calibers ( 6,5Creedmore, 260rem, 270rem, 6,5x55SE) I would like to choose hunting rifle ( wild boar, roe deer, foxes on longer distances) and I’m wondering about the life length of the barrel. Thanks ! Take Care and I’m waiting for Your recommendations ;)

[@filipbusse3379]

What should be the length and diameter of the barrel You will choose for my application? I would like to hunt with it and play some paper and steel targets on longer distances 300-400-800 meteres

[@bgallaher77]

I have no personal experience on barrel wear. From reading a book on NRA High Power shooting. In general, smaller caliber barrels wear out faster than larger diameter barrels, and in general heavy bullets wear out barrels faster than lighter bullets. My guess is that there is no practical difference in expected lifetime for any of the 6.5 cartridges you listed.

[@filipbusse3379]

bgallaher77 Thanks for Your response. What do You think about some out of the box rifles for my aplication? I was thinking about Tikka T3x Varmint in 6,5Creedmore, 6,5Swedish or 260/270rem. My second option is Tikka T3x Sporter, third option is Savage model 12 VLP, fourth option will be Weatherby Mark V. What do You think, and what seems to You the best choice in term of quality, accuracy ? What will You choose from these abovementioned ones?

[@bgallaher77]

I have a Tikka 595, which is one model older than the T3. It is a very nice rifle. A varmint barrel would be good. I also have a savage police rifle, which is good but I like the tikka more. If you handload, the 6.5x55 might get the edge. Lots of 6.5CM factory ammo available. I like the 270 win, but not sure that is a good fit for long range hunting. Lots of power, but you pay for it with recoil. Good luck.

[@filipbusse3379]

bgallaher77 thank You for Your response. Take care !

[@guyclaypool6111]

Are they semi auto or bolt action

[@david-lisaharden2100]

How would the .270 compare in the same capacity cartridge?

[@bgallaher77]

The 270 pressure spec is higher than the 280 and 30-06, which gives it a small (possibly negligible) advantage.

[@david-lisaharden2100]

Exactly what I was getting at. In a 308 capacity cartridge the .270 isn't as effective. Have a friend that is a gunsmith and he actually built a rifle around a necked down 308 to .277 and played with it to see what if any advantage it would be. None really, but an interesting project any way.

[@bgallaher77]

Inside 200 yard the external ballistics are basically the same when you consider the distribution of the bullet’s impact (MOA). But, time of flight is also a factor when shooting moving game. Jack O’Connor talks about that in his book The Hunting Rifle, and how he seemed to hit more moving deer with the 270 compared to the 30-06.

[@ruthless4645]

"Felt recoil" is highly subjective at best. I can shoot 30-40 rounds through my .300 Win Mag all day at the range, my buddy (who weights about the same, but is shorter than me, sorry bud lol) can barely tolerate shooting 10 rounds from my gun. Some people are just much more susceptible to recoil than others I guess

[@stevemarshall7689]

you sure are interested in these lighter recoiling calibers or you would'nt be here

[@MKennetic]

Is it subjective from person to person? Yes. Is it subjective from caliber to caliber? No, it's objective and measurable. 7mm-08 an 6.5 CM recoil less than 270 Win, period. That's the point he's making. He throws in 270 to give people a benchmark to measure felt recoil for themselves. Most hunters have shot a 270 so using recoil ft/lbs they can determine whether a caliber that they are interested in will be comfortable or not. You may be just fin with 300 WM, but not everyone is.

[@pseudopetrus]

I have come back to this video because it is a good comparable of calibers but not people. It is true that some can take more recoil than others, that is a fact. But it is also a fact that recoil impacts accuracy, in particular follow up shots, so this is why shooters need to be totally honest about the influence of recoil. I can shoot my 45-70 all afternoon, but that is because I have a lower expectation of accuracy than my 7mm 08.

[@cecileubank2555]

Damn 30/06 is about as hateful to shot as anything

[@lonnywells5680]

.308 150 grain with the velocity of 2153 at 400 yards and hitting with 1543 ft. lbs sounds pretty comparable, I'll take the trade of that little extra power, over the drop! Where I've grown up hunting it's only out to 200 yards ethically if your lucky!.... In the woods up here in the NEK it's more often 40- 100 yards.

[@waltermajors877]

What do you think about a 270/08 or 6.8 creedmoor for deer hunting?

[@bgallaher77]

Ballistically, There is so little difference between 270 (0.277) and 7mm (0.284) that there is no practical difference. I guess if you wanted something novel, or wanted a bullet only available in 270, then a 270/08 might make sense. Otherwise, it is just a fun and expensive project.

[@bgallaher77]

The 6.5cm is a match cartridge and was designed to give a (very slight) advantage over some other match cartridges. Going from a 6.5 to a 6.8 (0.277) would work on deer, but would not be “better”. If you really want to shoot a 0.277 but at lower recoil, look at the 6.8 spc. That is a factory load. You can buy an ar-15 chambered in 6.8. You can get a custom thompson center contender or encore barrel for 6.8. The nice thing about the 6.5cm is that it is popular, so ammo is easy to find.

[@mausermongerkoziczkowski8104]

The 6.5 Creedmoor and 7mm-08 merely duplicate what the 6.5 Swede and 7X57 Mauser have been doing for over a hundred years But at higher pressure.

[@mausermongerkoziczkowski8104]

@@joenicotera2991 The original pressure of The 7X57 was 45,000 cup while the 7mm-08 is 50,000 cup. If loaded to the 50,000 mark the 7x57 will out perform the 7mm-08. I have no need for a "Mountain Rifle" I hunt the Alaska mountains with whatever suits my fancy that day. If a man cannot pack a 9 lb rifle up a mountain side he will have no better luck with a 6 lb rifle and had better hit the Stair master. lol

[@oldgoat1890]

@@mausermongerkoziczkowski8104 You sound like a girl. "Outperform". What does that mean? You also sound like a campfire reloader. I can shoot 140 gr or 175 gr bullets out of my 7x57 and either one is as accurate as the other. You sound like a paper puncher and not a hunter.

[@oldgoat1890]

@@joenicotera2991 You bet! I have used a 7x57 for years that I built for the mountains. It is an Arisaka action with pretty much a standard stock. I made all the steel parts I could out of aluminum and titanium. 18 " barrel. REAL hunters understand the advantage of being able to maneuver a short rifle around and under brush, rocks, and logs. I put a heck of a cut on my nose with the scope last year trying to twist around and shoot while balancing on some loose shale. I missed. The only blood trail was from me.

[@mausermongerkoziczkowski8104]

@@oldgoat1890 I have been reloading since 1987 and have been Hunting Alaska since 1978. If I sound like a Girl maybe you need a better hearing aid.

[@mausermongerkoziczkowski8104]

The working pressure for the 7x57 is 46,000, it is 52,000 for the 7-08. Not the same.

[@juana.w0jalabellon277]

I think you forgot to include the 260 Rem. Anything that the 6.5 Creedmore does, I believe the 260 Rem will do better, provided chambers and rifling are equal or similar. What’s your take on that ?

[@bgallaher77]

I have another video on what I consider to be good deer hunting cartridges, and get lots of comments on the 6.5 cm and the 7mm-08, So, this video only looks at those two cartridges, and then compares those to what I usually shoot, the 270 Win. I agree that the 260 Rem fits into the same performance envelope as the 6.5cm and 7mm-08. The American Rifleman ran an article some time ago about the 6.5cm development, and how it was made to be the ultimate paper puncher for people shooting holes in paper targets at 600 yards, 800 yards, etc. Having shot in informal matches at those ranges, my thought is that only very good shooters would be able to realize any advantages that the 6.5cm offered. Why do people buy the 6.5cm? They are either buying the dream of excelling at long range shooting, or they want a hunting that is bigger than a 243 and smaller than a 7mm-08. I do not think the 6.5cm offers anything as a hunting cartridge that has not been, and is not currently, offered by other cartridges already available.

[@juana.w0jalabellon277]

@@bgallaher77 Thank for your prompt and detailed response. I do appreciate and understand your reasoning, but by the same token any purist would say that there is nothing the 7mm-08 offers that the 260 Rem doesn’t do, albeit a flatter trajectory and better end ballistics. At the I am only or mostly a paper puncher. But then again, that’s the beauty of it all, we have choices and they are available. You once again brought to the front line the 7mm-08 so now I want to get one for myself to add to my collection, thank you ! BTW, I did enjoy your video very much, very well done. Thank you for that also !

[@makeamericagreatagain7314]

7mm 08 is the best

[@RayBlackburn]

You are absolutely correct but at the same time you can also add that the 7mm-08 beats the 270 30-06 and the 308 with velocity and energy any place out past 250 yards as clearly shown in every ballistic table ever made

[@seabass22]

My next caliber. I have a 6.5 creedmoor but I gotta jump off the crazy train.

[@MattChat56]

Agree...just don’t understand why it’s not as popular as these other calibers.

[@swordsman3000]

seriously short action...shorter barrel..way less recoil..close enough ballistics = .270 is not really needed

[@williamhughes9520]

I have a 6.5 cm ruger american. I love it and wouldn't mind a 7mm-08 simply to add to the collection. I'm not saying they are exact by any means, but the 2 calibers are similar enough in ballistics to the point where I won't say one is definitely better than the other. I like both cartridges in their own respect.

[@darryljones6129]

7mm-08 is the perfect caliber between the three.

[@lonnywells5680]

Never shot either, but my young nephew uses 7mm-08 , I'll stick with my .308 for hunting! Its killed what ever I hit , where ever I hit it for the last 23 years. And not one has gotten more than 15 yards

[@erichkaufmann5284]

I’ve been using a pre 64 model 70 30-06 here in Siberia since the 70’s I’ve killed 11 grizzly bears over the years and killed more than I can count of musk deer before they where protected and I’ve killed about 17 rain deer here in Siberia we live on hunting so it’s really import we use a good caliber for me that’s the 30-06

[@erichkaufmann5284]

I will be picking up a brand new model 70 featherweight in 6.5 creedy tho

[@MrRdvs87]

How does this translate to elk? I’m waiting for the day that I can get on an elk hunt. I’m thinking creedmoor since I’d want a deer caliber that works on elk and not an elk caliber that works on deer since they don’t have elk in the south east.

[@pseudopetrus]

I am happy with my 7 mm 08. I know that 6.5 is the flavour of the month, and it is nice shooting. But it does not make sense to switch caliber unless you got money to burn, or you are a guy who just likes lots of guns that do the same thing.

[@bgallaher77]

I agree. There isnt any reason to switch from a nice 7mm-08 other than personal preference. They both fit in the same operational window. Gun makers make money selling guns (go figure) and always have an incentive to bring new cartridges to market. Guns don’t wear our very fast, so they need repeat customers. Hype up the new thing and sell some more rifles.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Flavor of the decade actually. And there's no lack of availability. The Swedes have figured out there's something scientifically optimal about 6.5mm bullets long before Americans caught on.

[@ChromeArty]

I just purchased a Ruger M77 in 7mm-08 after my .270 Tikka T3 was stolen out of my truck after a hunt. I live in a small town, yesterday I went to Walmart and Canadian Tire, and there was only one choice for 7mm-08 in each shop (luckily different) and between $43-$50 a box plus tax. However, I did see tonnes of different 6.5 creedmore at a range of prices less than the 7mm-08. I'm kind of annoyed at myself for not checking this first.

[@mot0rhe4d40]

@@ChromeArty Don't lose any sleep on that oversight. If you are at a Canadian Tire ? Then you'll be happier all around with the 7-08 for the bigger critters you have up north.

[@swan77a]

The critical factor here is the ability to accurately hit a precise kill area at distance … a tactical confidant well placed shot will win … Every Time !

[@njminer]

Great review. The only thing missing is availability and cost.

[@bgallaher77]

270 Win is probably the winner there. Easy to fine, and as low as $14 a box lately. The counter argument is that given the time and expense for hunting, you might as well get premium ammo. That makes cost less of an issue.