6.5 Creedmoor Issues - The Real Gunsmith

[@TheRealGunsmith]

Thanks for the overwhelming response to this video, as well as our other videos on The Real Gunsmith Channel! We appreciate your comments and questions. Due to the volume of the questions and some which would take some time to answer, we are considering doing a follow-up to address those questions. Our first priority is to our paying clients. Writing out long answers would take time away from that, and I won’t put them “on hold” to post long answers here. Our filming schedule is every 2-3 weeks and there are other videos already being edited for publication, roughly one a week. Be patient and I’ll address your valid questions and concerns. For our detractors, we appreciate your difference of opinion, too, but I stand by my decades of experience. Technology is great. But it doesn’t change physics, or in my opinion, common sense. So you may not like my follow-up video any better than this one. Stay tuned, and again, thanks! God bless you all.

[@victorwaddell6530]

The Real Gunsmith I respect your decision to put your first emphasis on your paying customers . That you produce videos for free and basically give away your knowledge tells that you are a gift to the shooting community . Your paying customers are also contributing to our community with their dollars . We should thank you and all of them . If I ever wanted to have a custom rifle built I'd put you on the top I'm my list of makers .

[@TheRealGunsmith]

From Cathy, Randy's wife: Thanks! We appreciate you making time to comment and understand! We really had no idea that this would get so "big" though the great guy that does the video work and editing told us it would! Good shooting and God bless!

[@Scuba11000]

I never understood the hype about the Creedmore. It does nothing that the 6.5x55 has not done and can't do better for 100 years. Personally I'll stick with the swede

[@Skipcarey]

Im new to shooting long range but I am a machinist, is this a safety issue?Or will the ammo just not go in the rifle?

[@TheRealGunsmith]

That's a good question Ralph Carey. Thanks for asking. Yes, it can be a safety issue. With this or any ammo/rifle it becomes a safety issue if the round has to be forced into the chamber which could cause discharge, or after being forced can't be extracted and isn't fired. Always use safe practices in this or any caliber. Good shooting.

[@bpmiller87]

How am I just now finding this channel? The wealth of knowledge this man possesses is hard to find.

[@TheRealGunsmith]

Welcome aboard bpmiller87. You can watch the other 30+ and stay tuned. We are, on average, posting 4 a month. Subscribe for notifications. And good shooting!

[@wiggytoyou]

You remind me of my father... He loved guns, shooting and hunting. I love watching your videos. Trying to learn as much as I can. Thank You!

[@rockie307]

I had a factory savage 6.5 creedmoor shoot 3/8" groups with factory hornady ammunition. Spent less than 1000 on the rifle scope and mounts killed a few deer with excellent results gave it to my brother for a Christmas present a few years ago. Its still shooting tiny groups and killing deer. Best money I ever spent on a rifle accuracy wise. I've spent thousands on rifles and scopes and nothing has beat it yet.

[@ironhorse8573]

He seems like a very honest respectful person. Very down to Earth

[@johnwalker863]

Same here

[@johnbyrne8024]

America’s so lucky to have men with such knowledge as this man! The type of person I’d trust to build all my Rifles! Fact👌

[@gratitude62]

was thinking about getting the ruger in 6.5. i am glad i did extensive research and questioning. i am grateful to have found your site.

[@jordisansorue7308]

Thank you very much Mr Randy, I am a mechanical engineer here in Barcelona, Spain and I have been dedicated professionally has developed vehicles and all the tools needed to make each component. For a little over 20 years I have been fond of guns and now with fifty are my passion, unfortunately here I can not touch any weapon that is my property to correct some other defect... This type of task must be made by a master gunsmith, or someone like you here in Spain are very few and unfortunately already have a very advanced age... The alternative that many gun vendors have done is to pick up some mechanic to give them some basic course and get out of the precarious situation. I wish God had given me the opportunity to be able to dedicate those 25 years that I devoted to the automotive sector and have learned from you everything I could. Well is what there is, thanks for your channel and "In Dreams " I can imagine what it is to work with what really is your passion... A great greeting, Mr. Randy.

[@TheRealGunsmith]

Thanks so much for watching and taking the time to comment. We can't imagine that time of government overreach but know there are forces that would truly like that form of control here. Best wishes and good shooting!!

[@AntiPattern328]

Very informative. I was skeptically expecting another rant but it is nice to hear from someone with actual understanding and knowledge about all aspects of gunsmithing. I learned quite a lot.

[@velie]

Love my 6.5 Creedmore, wouldn't trade it for anything. Owned a 270 and 30-06, but prefer the 6.5. I believe everyone has to choose the gun that fits your style, there are no wrong choices. The ammo I pick up otc is all I need, it's already match grade.

[@tiputipu777]

Whats a 6.5 creedmore? Sounds like 6.5 needmore

[@velie]

@Dick Dick Like what? I don't know anyone who is hunting big game with the wrong gun? They're are some that believe a 6.5 Creed shouldn't be used for elk. That's laughable though since a 6.5 caliber has been used successfully on elk forever.

[@titomish5914]

@@tiputipu777 I’m sure your 50bmg does just fine on doe hunting

[@EatingWild]

​​​​@@velie can you take an elk with a 6.5 yes. Would it be my first choice absolutely not. Especially past 300 yards. 7mm-08 would be better option honestly. I've seen people lose elk all good shots but lacked the energy. 6.5 is an excellent option for deer size and down. But if n a pinch can take an elk if you get close enough. It was designed to be a target caliber. People love to throw fake facts on it like it's magic when it's definitely not. Much more better options out there. I even own and load for the creed. The 6.5 PRC would be a better option for elk but have even seen those struggle against bears

[@gtzmwt]

​@@EatingWildcan't say the same, I witnessed my cousin, grab my 6.5 PRC custom build and he shot a bear and drop him like a bad habit, his reflexes are way better than mine! But no struggle there! There are so many variables in this world, I guess we can ask ourselves why shoot or hunt at all if every caliber has it's inherent problems! I say just pick a caliber and train! If your budget allows, then grab multiple calibers. Ive had several, and the only one caliber that's of age is my 30/06. It's a full custom as well, all others are 22lr, 223/556, 6.5 CM,6.5 PRC, 300 AAC, and the 300 PRC. Thinking about getting that 338 Norma. I've had my fair share of issues with the 6.5 CM. And l, slowly it's worked it's kinks, but I haven't had this issue Mr. Selby speaks of. One factor that decides my caliber choice, is what projectiles are in my inventory. I do not like starting all over again and having to pick up new powders or projectiles just to get a new caliber.

[@charleywalker2982]

Truer words have ever been spoken. Thanks for sharing your videos and keep them coming please.

[@shallNOTbeinfringed-vp9wo]

I gotta say that I believe I am listening to a one of a kind , they dont make em like this anymore type of gentleman. Thank you for your knowledge. I really wish I had someone to learn this stuff from first hand. Keep up the good work.

[@LandonKam]

That's wild... I just picked up a Kimber 84M mountain ascent and couldn't chamber hornady precision hunter eld-x rounds...could not figure out what was going on!! this isn't addressed on any forums or blogs, gun websites etc. thank you for this valuable insight, and what a catastrophe for the gun industry, indeed...and 5 years since your video the problem persists~. This will definitely be my first and last 6.5 Creedmoor I ever touch.

[@TheRealGunsmith]

Sadly this has persisted for 10+ years. Thanks for watching.

[@G5Hohn]

My Savage in 6.5 is jammed into rifling at 2.875 with 140ELD. And that “dummy round” will fit in my AI pattern accurate mag. So far it has fit and fed Hornady, Winchester, and Starline without any issues. Whatever issues existed seem to have been addressed.

[@Wilbert-fz2vy]

Thanks for the info Randy, this is something everyone in the market for 6.5 Ceedmoore should know,I will pass your message forward. Thank You!!

[@loricourtney2679]

Just experienced the same issue with a Savage Axis. I am a fairly experienced reloader and had to trim and full length resize some 6.5 brass before the empty cases would even work through the action. Gun isn't grouping well either but it may be a different problem- still working my way through the possibilities. Anyway excellent video-very informative.

[@dave-oh3549]

Wow! Words from a wise gunsmith. I am always fascinated and have enormous respect for those who have dedicated themselves fanatically to one thing and become a master of their craft. Wise words and have subscribed to your channel.

[@TheRealGunsmith]

Thank you David H! We appreciate you and everyone else that are subscribing. Stay tuned and good shooting.

[@johnb1448]

They don't make guys like him anymore!!

[@TheRealGunsmith]

From Randy's wife Cathy: You are mostly correct, but I know a few young men [and women] that give me hope!

[@conradangel8602]

There is a great 6.5 already around it’s called the 6.5x 55 Swedish.

[@flighttherapybullisticfpv133]

Ya but its not new with a fancy name and as we all know, that negatively effects ballistics in 2020 hahaha

[@captainpegs07]

Or 264 Win Mag if you really want to get things done with 6.5mm.

[@klabner71]

6.5x55 is a fine rifle I have one hunt anything I want

[@scottbuckley6578]

Awesome round a flat shooting I can hit 700 yards all day out of my AG42B

[@adamhymas4620]

The 6.5x55 Swede is less desirable for a few reason... 1. Factory ammo is loaded on the weak side 2. Less available factory ammo, especially target/match loadings 3. US made brass is generally incorrect in dimensions and will only last 2-3 reloading 4. Long action for little velocity increase, and only when going over recommended load data 5. If you want anything other than a hunting barrel profile, it needs to be custom

[@flighttherapybullisticfpv133]

Thanks for taking the time to do this little PSA.. it is much appreciated

[@matthewlyness9692]

I will just stick with my 7mm mag I'm not jumping on the 6.5 Creedmoor bandwagon this guy is Simply Amazing keep up the good work...

[@H43339]

@@rogerpodactor2755 what are you talking about, it's a cartridge, you don't sound very smart with comments like that.

[@davidlayne8755]

I jump on the wagon and now I'm thinking i must have been mad at my own ass... I have lots of rifles that will group better and with less trouble.. The creedmoor has chamber issues all brass is not perfect it just shows up more in the creedmoor. A lot of army shooters use a 260 because of it...in time when word gets out someone will fix the problem

[@Mikael5732]

Yeah man! That 7mm mag is one powerful hitting round.

[@VicLaShawn]

Looks like everything works fine now, everyone must've heard the message! My 6.5 TC COMPASS works great. All Ammo fits

[@burrco3086]

I have heard about problems with the 6.5 crdmr, same thing you talked about in this video. I was going to get one, but i usually target shoot to just 600, and my 308W does a good enough job. Great video, and knowledge.

[@jjthefed]

Too many unnecessary calibers out there today. If we stuck with what we had pre-2000 with maybe the exception of the Military's 6.8 Remington, the world would be a better place. My 0.002 worth.

[@derricksowers9074]

Lots of these issues are not specific to 6.5 Creedmoor, but it is totally relevant, I have seen some of these issues in other chamber offerings, but mainly in newer case designs. Thanks for the video.

[@josephparker8574]

Thanks Randy for this informative video.I bought a Savage 12 from Cabelas before Christmas and about 8 different factory loads at the same time,so far no problems.Just subscribed to your channel, keep up the good work!

[@TheRealGunsmith]

Thanks Joseph Parker. Good shooting!

[@klkelly221]

I experienced this with a CVA Cascade, chambered in .300 wm. 7 out a box of 20 wouldn't chamber. I contacted Winchester about their ammo, and while they would make good on replacing it. It was more trouble to me than it seemed worth it. I really feel like the quality control of just about everything in the current world we live in has majorly declined over time. Anyways thank you Randy for your time and sharing your knowledge.

[@michaelandersen5453]

Lapua is right on. But that is why I anneal, full length size and check total length and neck, and head space for my gun. Too bad these companies don't care enough regarding safety. Thank you for this info

[@TheRealGunsmith]

Thanks for your comment Michael Anderson. You are following a good plan.

[@andrewj7424]

I have a ruger in 6.5 creed and I have shot a number of different brands of ammo and never had a problem plus it's been super accurate for me. I dont see the problem there

[@nique_3036]

Same experiences with my DD DELTA in 6.5 creedmoor

[@richschafer3354]

The real 6.5 was 6.5 carcano , 6.5 swedish, 6.5 mag

[@sra3832]

Because everyone can make a video and say BS and put it on youtube.

[@josephduncan9426]

It holds true with any brand of bullets. I have a 6.5 and I have a .308. I have to buy certain ammo for my .308 and my 6.5 it all depends on what I'm shooting that day and how far. I never understood why people bad mouth this caliber. Ever since 8t came on market it has been the step child of bullets.

[@kentuckywindage222]

@@richschafer3354 The real .30 was the 30-40 Kraig 130gr at 2740 fps. Which is close to 6.5 creed. Use what is legal and you choose. That's the great thing about America. All outdoorsman should be fighting the leftist full stun take your gun. Instead of each other. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@jimbigboystoys4077]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH sir, for providing this information for us!! I’ve been researching a lot, and damn near came that close to buying a rifle chambered in the Creedmoor!! I will definitely be holding off on that idea. THANKS AGAIN SIR!! 👍

[@null2470]

I love this channel. It's like if Chris Bartucci talked about ballistics.

[@jeandelarey9761]

Found the same problem with 300 Win Mag Hornady cases in South Africa. Thank you Randy.

[@scotthoffman2705]

Have shot 5 different factory ammo companys out of my 6.5 creedmoor ruger. I have never had a issue, almost 600 rounds and no issue. But mine is also only a year old. Maybe its older ones that have the issues.

[@patrickthompson389]

Hi. Great video, your wisdom is appreciated very much. I had a few Ruger RPR barrels made (Sammi spec for the 140ELD, and Lapua Scenar 136 otm), by JC Custom barrels, up in Canada. He made very similar comments to yours. He went through at least four reamers to find the correct throat finish, despite using reputable brands. Now, I run the 136 OTM Scenars in Lapua Creedmoor brass,(from fire formed Lapua factory ammo), trimmed tp Sammi specs. CCI small primers, Vitavoui, at 2960fps muzzle velocity @ 20c, sea level. I headspace to spec with Forester Sammi go/no-gogauges, and jump one and a half thou to the lands. The one issue I had with the Ruger RPR's, was the inconsistency of the bolt faces; of the six I've built, all of them required bolt face lapping of at least one and a half thousandth to true. (Ruger-Winchester 1-1 1/6-tight bolt face lapping jig, from PTG) It's been my personal experience that my Lapua Creedmoor brass requires sizing & necking after every shot, trimming every 2nd use, annealing after every 3rd use, and doughnut trimming after the 7th or 8th use. Primer pockets are still holding on some brass after 19 reloads. Hornady brass, regardless of where it was made, has always been very inconsistent for me too, in size, weight, volume, hardness & uniformity.

[@starwarsheros9245]

Thank you for this information. I have had a few issues with my Ruger American in 6.5, thank you

[@bobparvin9773]

Byjiggedy-do I just knew that I couldn't outdo my good old 308 ifn I was to get a 6.5 Creed more! I absolutely believe every word this experienced dedicated master gunsmith has spoken in this regard. Thank you for your expertise and honest report from your Long history of gunbuilding.

[@ronaldmayle1823]

I've never had any issues with my 6.5. I don't have this man's knowledge of firearms, but I've never had a deer complain about any shortcomings. And to me, that's what it's all about.

[@cbsbass4142]

I have a 6.5, but it's a .260 Remington.

[@EatingWild]

Wonderful deer round. But people think it's the best option for elk which isn't true

[@ronaldmayle1823]

@@EatingWild That's right.

[@sandflea2424]

Sir I just purchased a Ruger American 6.5 creedmoor. After just watching your video I cycled a federal and Hornady round through the chamber. They both seem to work fine

[@TheRealGunsmith]

I believe I explained it well and I never said all people would experience issues. However, for instance, in Sept issue of Shooting Times in a very good article, the author states that the factory action must be too tight as 2 of 20 rounds of Federal factory ammo were two tight to function. But the other 18 functioned fine. So that is a 10% failure rate of the ammo to fit and function.

[@g-rock6329]

I agree the manufacturer should be held accountable for there products for the price they should be perfect

[@SocialRegressive]

Great notes. +1 the throats are too long. I started handloading close to the lands assuming that would work best. Then I brought everything back to 2.820 and cut my groups sizes and velocity SDs down by a significant margin. I see no need for either a huge jump to the rifling or for seating the bullets that far out.

[@amorton94]

@kamphwagon1 What are you on about? He said nothing about SD not being important. He said that when he reduced his overall length that it reduced his group size and SD. Are you replying to something that is just flat out not there?

[@Choronzon39]

Are we talking CBTO?

[@H43339]

Social Regressive , where are you getting 2.820" ? I am assuming that is Max, C.O.L. ? My Hornady Reloading Manual 9th edition calls for 2.800 " Maximum C.O.L. Where are you and Randy getting 2.820" ?.

[@joelodjick230]

@@H43339 The manual might say that but if 2.820 fits in your mag and shoots better in your rifle, send it.

[@NC-bs6yi]

Excellent video! Priceless advice from you sir. It is a shame that hardly any business , big or small are not held accountable and don't care to be!

[@TheRealGunsmith]

Thank you kind sir! We appreciate your comment and for watching. Good shooting!

[@candidob8683]

This is vital information if you are investing a lot in your hunting or competition rifle. This is just fantastic that such information is now well know. Thank you for sharing your wisdom and knowledge with the rest of the people out there.

[@davidfee4825]

Finally a true gunsmith . SEMPER FI SIR . thank you for not being commercialized. The sheeple just don't understand . It renewed my faith in mankind to actually here the truth for a change .thank you !

[@TheRealGunsmith]

Thank you Sir! We truly appreciate you watching and taking the time to comment. Thanks for your service, it is men and women like you that renew our faith in mankind, "Believing in something even if it means sacrificing everything!" God bless from Randy and Cathy +JMJ+

[@jimpalmer4916]

I bought and sold one of those things after it first came out. It lost its accuracy after no more than 200 rounds. Didn't take long for me to realize that these things are way too picky for my likings. Now I'm getting the skinny from the Real Gunsmith. Still saving every video that Mr. Selby makes because he tells it like it is. I'll never buy another 6.5 Creedmoor in any brand. You're the man Mr. Selby.

[@TheRealGunsmith]

Thank you! We appreciate your following and so many comments and input! Good shooting, Jim.

[@thesoundsyouhear4507]

it sounds like he is being held captive lol

[@Rob-pq1bk]

@@Michael-ii9fs Nah it definitely looks like he's got guns pointed at him behind the camera lmfao

[@philipboardman1357]

7mm-08 and .260 bois holding him captive.

[@guitaristxcore]

@@philipboardman1357 🤣

[@MF-Rell]

😂😂😂😂

[@QuarkyPotato]

that's cuz he doesn't fill the empty space in his sentences with um's, uh's, and like's.

[@charlespaninski6733]

Funny but I had the same problem with my 308 Henry long range. I used all factory loads, and a few manufactures cartridges didn't function properly in my rifle. Sent it back to Henry. They worked on it and I have it now. Verdict is still not out. Will be testing it out soon. Thanks for this video. Food for thought.

[@carterthiessen2664]

I've used solely hornady brass in my ruger 6.5 and have fired hundreds of factory loads and well as hundreds of my own handloads and have had no issues. Rifle shoots 3/4 moa with the factory ammo and 1/2 with my handloads.

[@jonathoncharlton3365]

carter thiessen same here, lol not much you can do but keep shooting! I’ve been very happy with my ruger 6.5 so far, that being said I’m no expert but I’ve put about 150 factory and 300 handloads through it and haven’t had any problems. Shot a deer and a few coyotes with it in the two year period I’ve had it... can’t complain but I’ll keep in mind with what he said to see if I notice the issues. 👍

[@andrewreyes3061]

I myself and about 2 dozen other people i personally knowhave been shooting a 6.5 creedmoor for about the last 5 yrs. We have tested all manufactured ammunition and have never experienced what you're talking about. All factory ammo has chambered flawlessly and have all shot extremely accurate. Can u please make another video demonstrating this problem? Show us.

[@lrshooterofnh7843]

I've been watching your videos, and while I don't agree with everything, I appreciate your honesty and sharing your wisdom. It's very helpful. Having said that, myself and my father and brother have been shooting the 6.5 creed since about 2010. I've dealt with 4 different rifles from 4 different manufatures(the 4th being one that I built myself with a savage action) and many different lots of brass we've never experienced any such problems as you've stated here nor have I heard of it. Not saying it doesn't happen occasionally, but I don't think it's as big of an issue as your making it out to be. Just an opinion.

[@TheRealGunsmith]

Thanks for taking time to respond, Garrett. Besides what I've observed, and heard from others. Currently in a store in FL they have had to return a Ruger Hawkeye and a Precision rifle that would not accept the new Hornady virgin brass, Hornady Amax 140 ammo and Federal Trophy Bonded ammo. They are still not to the bottom of it. It is not the norm, of course, as you and many others on here have pointed out. I felt it should be brought up. Thanks for your input, again, and good shooting!

[@lrshooterofnh7843]

The Real Gunsmith still good to know and thanks for bringing it up. Keep the videos coming! Hard to come by someone who actually has some ethics for hunting!

[@TheRealGunsmith]

Thanks! I appreciate your comment. That is why I've been encouraged to do the videos. A new one out today. Good shooting!

[@rotasaustralis]

I've got all I need to hear about this subject. I'm currently in the market for a Creedmoor chambered rifle & I'm so glad I decided to check ole Randy's experience. The only thing I'm thinking now is, to make sure my rifle is chambered just as ole Randy states & go from there. Haaaaaaa, what a breath of fresh air. Truth from experience & all without the B.S. You spoil us Randy. Kind Regards..............Rotas2012.

[@nycreloader]

Thanks Randy, this was very eye opening and very concerning. Thanks for you knowledge and experience.

[@TheRealGunsmith]

I am glad you found the information helpful. Good shooting!

[@D33PZ3R0]

I have about 2k into a Howa Bravo 1500 chambered in 6.5CM that I'm having trouble with using nothing but Hornady ammo. Thank you very much for this information! Gives me several things to look into.

[@mikenixon5936]

I have a Howa custom 1500 6.5 cm and have never shot anything but Hornady ammo and have never had an issue. I reload the spent brass and have never had an issue with it aswell.

[@D33PZ3R0]

Mike Nixon solid feedback, I’m dealing with a few issues and switching out optics rn- once I get back out with it to send some copper down range I may get at you for some advice around what ur running and what’s working best for your Howa. Thanks for the comment brother!

[@guitarsword1]

Love to hear a man that knows from experience what he is talking about. Tnx Randy.

[@TheRealGunsmith]

Thanks!

[@dandetande288]

Thank you for your honest review!

[@BobCloninger]

Wow! It's good to hear from someone that pays attention to the details! Remington 260 has been my favorite cartridge for quite awhile, although I was recently coerced into having a 6.5cm built. It sounds like I have some caliper work to do before hauling it to the range - thank you!

[@ratedredneck96]

Hes not talking about modern brass, its a bunch of original test brass that were cut long and gave a few issues. The whole issue is he doesnt seem to account that bullets can be refined and redone, i bet his OG brass is nothing like what is being produced now. He needs to get back up to date and try it out again and see how many improvements have been made with the round. Hes old news, literally.

[@arkoutarkout3654]

@@ratedredneck96 I don't get that info from this vid ?

[@ratedredneck96]

@@arkoutarkout3654 its where he says the brass measurements were inconsistent and differed from brand to brand, i was explaining why they were different sizes so people dont just run with this guys info and makes their decision based on what he said. He almost guaranteed just had old test brass where they were honing in the best shoulder and neck height and either doesnt want to acknowledge its not the final brass and hes trying to short change the round or he juat simply doesnt know what hes got and is still spreading false information blindly. 6.5 creedmoor was designed to be a precision cartridge for competition shooting, explain to me how any bullet manufacturer would allow that kind of lack of tollerance on a competition designed cartridge? And besides it wouldnt be the rifles fault and hes using it as a premis to say the 6.5 is a bad rifle.

[@jjprinsloo4046]

I had this issue with a new Savage BA110 6.5 creed. I always knew it was a brass problem. So my fix was the redding competition shell holder set. I found that the Federal brass was the longest even longer than the Hornady. Well according to the Head stamp anyway. Thanks for this informative video. I can tell it really upset you and many others. God Bless.

[@vo639]

Sounds too complicated. I'll stick to 7.62x51 Works just fine.

[@davidgunther1282]

Agreed.

[@PJ-6969]

Thank you for your service and valued knowledge this problem is a known issue and fact 👍

[@krazor8]

Haven't had an issue with my Savage 110 precision shooting creedmoor...

[@davidegbert2147]

Right on Randy I bought my ruger only for it to sit in my safe because of that dang brass problem, I went with my calipers only to find out exactly what you are saying,

[@diggernash1]

I've got some brass to check...Thank you for the information.

[@TheRealGunsmith]

You are welcome, Jarrett Nash.

[@henryhenry5897]

This is very interesting! I ended up buying a Remingotn barreld action in 6.5 creedmore i Bought 200 brass lapua and shoot about 500 rounds works like a charm but this is all now! Your video is 3 years old I wonder if I’m just lucky now or if they fixed the problem. My COAL is little less than 2.800 my jump is over 100thou also due to mag but It shoot 0.75” groups with cheap hornady bullets and Less than 0.5” with lapua bullets I learned a lot from this channel regarding reloading. Thanks

[@deangebhardt1981]

Interesting. I have 4, 6.5CMs, custom built and commercially available, none of have issues you suggest. I'd pay more attention if you'd specify your reamer dimensions.

[@Thamac15]

Dean Gebhardt Do you have more than 2k rounds through each? Probably less than 300 each.

[@H43339]

@@Thamac15 what difference does that make ?

[@brettstewart6036]

David Mccann good question mate 🤙🤙

[@lh8372]

Thank you sir for this information. Love your channel! I was going to buy a 6.5 Creedmoor but I think I’ll stick with the tried and true .308 Winchester. Keep it up please! We need more wise knowledge and advice in this day and age.

[@robertwalker2753]

The 308 Winchester. Breaking hearts since 1952 and still kicking. ;)

[@savage5128]

Tell'm again. 308 all day.

[@jjsemperfi]

.308 is a great cartridge. No one is saying it sucks. I can tell you without a doubt that the 6.5 CM will do exactly what the .308 does but with less recoil and less wind drift and drop. I own both. Why isn’t that an option. You don’t have to pick one and drive the other out of town.

[@rugeryeti460]

JJ find me a 6.5 creedmoor round with a 175 grain bullet.

[@jjsemperfi]

Ruger Yeti Well if all you want is mass then obviously go with the larger caliber.

[@jjsemperfi]

Butt Horn.270 Get off it. Sick of hearing about the .270. Yes it works but just because it was made popular by one man doesn’t mean it the bees knees.

[@jjthefed]

Wow! Randy has 10x more tools than I got! I'm mostly a car and home improvement guy, guns is a smaller side hobby. But still, impressive workshop you got there!

[@michaellewis5624]

I never had much interest in 6.5cm as I'm a 308 guy. Recently I traded for a Mossberg patriot 6.5cm. It's a very cheap rifle but I was absolutely impressed with the accuracy of this rifle! 143gr ammo will shoot 1/2 to 3/4 inches at 100 until the barrel gets hot then 1 1/2. I will try it on deer and hogs this year. My personal limit is 200 yards. 6.5cm should be good at that range. We will see.

[@ryanehlis426]

A .308 is actually very large for deer. I have killed a mess of deer with my .243 hand loads .85 gr BT bullets. They always exit the deer and drop them dead. Energy and velocity should be deadly out to 400 yards. A 6.5 should be affective out to 500 or 600 yards.

[@richardbartlett6701]

@@ryanehlis426 .308 too large for deer? LMAO.

[@ryanehlis426]

@@richardbartlett6701 not to large just more than you need.

[@blindsey1076]

Man your a wealth of knowledge -seems as though the degra6of societal norms is even reaching into what should be a tightly controlled and monitored industry. Building a 6.5 cm as I watched this, I'll be checking all new brass from this point forward. Much appreciated -God bless you Sir!

[@gregawallace]

Y’all can keep your 6.5 creedmoor I’ll stick with my .257 weatherby mag it’s just as accurate and flat shooting, but harder hitting and been around long enough all the bugs have been worked out.

[@Adoratek]

.257... great caliber. Now let's talk about bullet selections. I had a .257 Roberts, and a .25-06, loved both of them, and took deer very effectively with them. I have taken one elk with the .25-06 with a 120 gr Barnes X. But, I think that it is living on a the edge a bit to put hopes in a 120 gr bullet for anything larger than whitetail deer. The 6.5 has a bullet selection between 95 and 160 gr and out of the lowly Creedmoor, the 129 gr Hornady bullet is like Magic on whitetail, with the options to hunt elk with a bit more peace of mind.

[@gregawallace]

@@Adoratek I like the 110 grain Nosler acubond for whitetail in my .257. I hunt Texas primarily it wide open and shots can fall between 50 to 450 yards and in my rifle that bullet works very well in those ranges. For anything larger than deer I use a 7mm rem mag 160 grain Federal Trophy Bonded.

[@njhimself]

I have a 6.5 cm and a weatherby .257 mag and I have to say.... the 6.5 outperforms on game. Night and day!

[@cbsbass4142]

@@Adoratek "Whiskey" Chamberlain took 15 consecutive elk with a .243 with 100 gr bullets. According to "Grits" Gresham, He never took a shot at greater than moderate range and unless the Elk was standing still. Range and bullet placement is everything, I have to conclude.

[@matthewlyness8161]

Ok I will keep my 6.5 creedmoor

[@leroyjenkins1511]

Randy, thank you for this info. You are very talented and knowledgeable in your work. I purchased a 6.5 Creedmore Thompson Center Compass and bought Lapua brass. I have not experienced any of these issues. I learned my lesson on Hornady brass on 6.5 Grendel. Hornady brass is junk, I will not buy anymore. I buy PPU if Lapua doesn’t offer brass in the cartridge I need as I have many old military Mauser, Enfield’s, and Swiss rifles. I load over 25 different cartridges. I have experienced these issues in old 7.5mm Swiss (zero throat) and 7mm Mauser rifles with inconsistent head spacing. Thank you, I love your videos keep them coming.

[@TheRealGunsmith]

Thanks for sharing your experience, Leroy Jenkins.

[@JB-ro3sz]

I'll stick with the old tried and true 308 Winchester, it seems to have worked very well for many years.

[@thewatcher611]

.30 cal for me, .30-06, .308, Smaller lighter bullets don't impress me. Yet, I still want to take a deer with my .45 Colt Redhawk....

[@moonshinerphd9523]

Glad I ran across this video, I was planning on purchasing a Bergara B-14 HMR Pro in a 6.5 CM. Looks like I'll be looking for a more consistent/reliable round. Thanks for pointing this problem out!

[@joshjamesguitar]

Don't listen to this guy he's scare mongering

[@brandtbuchanan5526]

I bought one of their premier series and it has been shooting sub 0.5moa since I took it out of the box with Hornady Match.

[@MEHEREWGTNNZ]

Awesome video ... was about to purchase a 655 but was uneasy on lots of conflicting reports, decided on a .308 instead ... then just found your video, feeling happy ... thanks boss, I always defer to the knowledgeable... 😎

[@ratedredneck96]

should have went 6.5. this guy is talking about a super slim margin of guns and from a long time ago when the creedmoor was first being developed. I have a 6.5 and it has shot remington, hornady, winchester, just fine not a problem at all. he is the only guy that has said anything really bad about 6.5 and i think its because its so much better than .308 and hes upset it whoops a grandfather round. he also says 6.5 isnt a long distance hunting round but i watched a 6.5 take an elk down complete pass through at 600 yards. complete pass through! the elk was dead in under a minute and didnt run far at all. 6.5 is a fantastic round, he must make a bad gun and swears he doesnt and wants to blame somebody else. its sorta suspicious when hes blaming like every brass company there is and says that the brass sucks when i or anybody that bought factory ammunition that i know of has complained about. you can get factory loads that wont fit because they are ran hot and the bullet is a tad too long but i have not seen any other person make this claim against the 6.5 creedmoor.

[@sauerkrautjr]

@@ratedredneck96 exactly. Millions of rounds of 6.5 Creedmoor have gone off in the field and in PRS matches without issue. Nobody's talking about it because it's not an issue lol

[@dennywells1898]

So glad I found this video. this has been driving me crazy. I have several different caliber rifles. I've had multiple rifles of the same caliber. at one point we had 3 6.5 creedmoors in the house. mine was a savage axis 2, my wife's is a savage axis and our sons is a ruger american predator. mine wouldnt load federal ammo. the bolt wouldnt close. my wife's seems to work fine with anything. my sons wont close with hornady ammo and remington core lokt is really tight when closing the bolt. it's been driving me crazy because no there caliber round has given me this much problem with loading rounds in to the gun

[@nathan00campbell]

well, my savage 11 with is varmint profile barrel in 6.5cm is 1/2 moa out of the box with most factory ammo. seems to like anything in the 140g flavor. dont know if its luck or not but i've yet to ever buy an inaccurate rifle made by savage.

[@tuomasholo]

nathan campbell I can say the same about my Savage hog hunter. Out of the box, I was getting light primer strikes until I upgraded the factory 28lb striker spring to 32lb. It’s a sub MOA rifle with 168gr FGMM ammo. Not bad for an inexpensive Savage.

[@toddduncan7268]

I agree with you 100% . It definitely is a problem I've had several factory rounds that would not chamber in my ruger 6.5

[@TheRealGunsmith]

I'd like to know what brand and bullet weight these rounds were if you would share with me. It is probably a dimensional issue with the ammunition. You can share here or send information to [e-mail] Thanks!

[@toddduncan7268]

Hornady 140 gr

[@TheRealGunsmith]

Thanks for responding. A max, I'd say.

[@H43339]

@@toddduncan7268 what kind of Hornady 140 ? And you said several ?

[@chadwickpaten5346]

I'm a machinist my self and honestly first you should always check tooling so possibly there was issues with the reamer at the time being a new cartridge years ago with other cartridges fairly similar it's easy to see how things could have gotten crazy also 10 years ago was a depression , quality control was not at it's peak neather was building materials like still and brass. Let's be realistic the creedmoor is a great round I have one and that man I see not one on the bench.And I know alot of older guys who for whatever reason knock the creeds left and right and talk up older style cartridges specially the 260 remember.........my take on this .....inspect tooling ,inspect brass ,if your gonna custom build and load ,check.check.check.check. be your own quality control system don't blame the aliens.....my 6.5 is the most accurate thing I've shot next to a Lazer gun.never had any issues with anything other than boredom of hitting the target .

[@beater82]

Coming across this video late but thank you for your thoughts on the matter. I assembled a dpms pattern gas gun in 6.5 CM. )Faxon barrel, rubber city bcg, live free receiver set). Lands are at 2.30". 140 smks will fit in a plastic pmag .020" off the lands. The hornady ELDM's have their ogives set so far back that with 147 ELD's , Im .080" off the lands and having to use metal c-products mags to fit the cartridge (coal 2.860?). I was thinking semi-autos just had a longer throat, but what youre saying here is making it sound like this is happening with bolt guns as well.

[@garyborden6619]

Have 2 6.5s Kimber m 84 Hunter and a howa 1500 can't swap ammo ! Wtf been reloading 4 45 years this is a problem never experienced before glad somebody else has noticed

[@njhimself]

This happens to me in a few of my rifles. My Howa 7mm Rem Mag. Fire forms cases that don't fit my Mauser being the worst fit.

[@mg-7047]

Randy, thank you for the vid! I was thinking of buying a rifle in this caliber, I do not reload, and I was not aware of this problem. Luckily, I have other rifles to shoot, while component manufacturers sort their quality control issues.

[@joshjamesguitar]

It's literally a non issue

[@denisleblanc4506]

I was teaching the Canadian Firearms Safety Course this weekend and one of the students was telling me he bought a new bolt action rifle and two boxes of Fusion ammunition for it. Not sure of the make and model of rifle, but it was in .270 WSM caliber. He said he could barely lock the bolt on a loaded chamber with that ammunition and he tried ammunition from both boxes. One of his friends also had a rifle in .270 WSM and when he tried to close the bolt with that ammunition, he couldn't close it. It looks like this isn't just a 6.5 Creed problem. When new ammunition doesn't fit in two different rifles, and one of the rifles had never experienced this problem. You're right. Federal better look at their quality control process. It's not like .270 WSM is a new caliber either. I wonder how many other calibers are reporting this problem.

[@vincentstafford1394]

Have a buddy with 270 wsm same problem

[@satheshsoundarrajan496]

I own a browning x bolt medallion 300 win mag, was thinking of buying a 6.5 creedmoor but no more. Will probably pick up a 7 mm rem mag. I guess it's good to stick to the proven legendary cartridge and will have no issues.

[@abcertweld]

I have used many different types of 6.5CM and never had any of these issues.

[@TheRealGunsmith]

Thanks for sharing. I am aware that many, many people haven't had these problems but enough of us have had issues, across the country from my discussions, that it was time to bring it up. Good shooting!

[@1966v8mustang]

thomas abel same here I have one as well and I love it and it shoot great

[@SAFE-AT-HOME-SPORTS.]

58 years experience will tend to see things a greenhorn wont

[@wes3029]

Same, used loads of different brass and never had a drama reloading?

[@abcertweld]

@@SAFE-AT-HOME-SPORTS. Yeah Barry what would I know only 20+years. The fact is most of the issues come when people do their own handloads. Yes even the most experienced can mess up. We are all just human. If you want to push a cartridge to the max all the time, rather than go up in caliber, well things will happen and that is inevitable. Just because something can be pushed to the max doesn't mean you have to. A perfect example are the WMMR cartridges and loadings.

[@justinevans6527]

This reminds me of the time i bought a early 6.8 spc ar15 used and had to perform a eugene stoner head bang to eject the cartridge. I bought silver state ammunition horandy and other brands. The barrel that came with it was a lemon so i replaced it with a stag arms barrel and still had the same issues. Amazingly American eagle cycled fine along with handloads. I sold it.

[@TheJeffatan]

Thank you Randy. Very informative. Trying to choose between 300 Win Mag or 6.5 Creedmoor..never knew of these issues.

[@TheRealGunsmith]

You are welcome, Jeffrey! I am glad this has helped. As you can tell, I'd pick the .300 Win. Mag. every time! Good shooting!!

[@bryonworthen8247]

Randy talks about the 7mm Rem Mag here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qGm2ZKqOe56LetU

[@TheRealGunsmith]

Thanks Bryon Worthen. Hhhhmmm, I think you should know. ;)

[@500spectre]

I'v shot both the 300wm and 6.5cm. I went with the 6.5cm. If someone can do a correct build, i would go with the 6.5. Both have long range capabilities and both should have enough energy for most applications. The 6.5 will have less recoil if on the same weight gun. If your looking for a 18lbs bench gun it isn't a big issue, but a 8lbs rifle that you have to carry in the field, there is going to be a bit of recoil difference.

[@verteup]

Comparing 300 win mag to 6.5cm is apples to oranges. One is a magnum round and the other isn't. One comes with magnum recoil and the other doesn't. They don't even shoot the same weight bullets. 300 win mag doesn't have a long enough neck. It was flawed when they released it and it has remained flawed. I have no idea how you got your choices down to those two cartridges. That's like saying "Ive decided to either buy a Ferrari with a major engine flaw or a Ford f150 with a 300 straight six". The two can't even be compared.

[@charleslawrence7309]

An informative video from a knowledgeable craftsman! Thanks!

[@jimharding295]

This is valuable info from a pro. I cannot believe 36 people disliked like this video.

[@TheRealGunsmith]

Thanks Jim Harding! To each their own. Those who have left comments in disagreement seem to do so either from not listening to the entire video, not hearing if they did, or in disbelief and think I am not smart enough to know what I am talking about. I think I poked a sacred cow. ;) And just because someone hasn't had a problem, doesn't mean there hasn't been. I know what I know. I am not going to worry about the detractors. The overwhelming response has been very positive and I a grateful and humbled. We totally appreciate all of the "Likes" "Subscribes" "Shares" and comments. Positive or not. We've only blocked one commentor for not only being rude in his disagreement, but nasty. Nasty won't fly.

[@500spectre]

The guy is probably correct on the issues he has encountered. I don't think it as wide spread or as big of problem as he leads on, and that is where i think some of the dislikes have come from.

[@johncerny4700]

The 6.5 Swede, loaded to full potential in a accurate modern sporting rifle is as good or better than the 260 Rem or the Creedmore. Fewer issues with bullet length, larger case capacity. Easy to reload. I’d love to see someone make commercial .256 Newton rifles again too. My opinion only. Thanks Randy for sharing your experience.

[@Trigger_32]

Thank you for solving my internal debate on wether to build a 308 or 6.5. Subscribed.

[@TheRealGunsmith]

You are welcome. And thanks for watching and subscribing. We appreciate it!

[@Trigger_32]

The Real Gunsmith Thank you for sharing your vast knowledge and wisdom. Keep up the hard work and great videos. Wish I lived closer so I could have you build me a rifle.

[@TheRealGunsmith]

michaelaiman1, thanks. I have built custom rifles for clients in every state and two other countries, so don't let distance hold you back. I offer a wide range of custom rifles to suit the client's desires and wallet. I'll be glad to work with you. wwwrandyscustomrifles.com

[@TheRealGunsmith]

WOW...you didn't listen very closely as Randy never said it stopped him from building a 6.5 If that is what a client wants, that is what the client gets. Period. I relistened as I was sure he didn't say that. Sure enough, he didn't. Hone up on your listening skills with comprehension. By Cathy +JMJ+

[@Sean-oc6kf]

Single Sucks isn't talking to Randy, he's talking to Michaelaiman1.

[@montanamountainmen6104]

My son has a Ruger in 6.5 Creedmoor . He reloads for it problem is in the box mag the bullets are right at max length for the mag to get optimum accuracy with Berger VLD bullets . All his brass is made by Hornady only brass sold locally in our part of the country.

[@wsnapper3377]

Great video thanks for bringing this issue out.

[@TheRealGunsmith]

You are welcome. Thanks for watching! We appreciate it.

[@oldArmyVet]

I've used winchester, federal, and hornady in my 6.5 rifles with no problems at all

[@jmac6242]

Good info to have, maybe I should reconsider the ol' 25-06 instead of getting a 6.5CR. Not a long distance shooter anyhow.

[@wiseguysoutdoors2954]

The hell it isn't a long range shooter!@ Creedmoor is a 1,000 yd match!!@

[@davidwilfong7262]

Add me to the list that have issues with factory ammo. Built a high end AR10 in 6.5 Creedmoor using a Proof Research barrel and JP bolt. Tried about 10 boxes of factory ammo from 6 different manufactures. Every single round to include multiple different Hornady rounds fit in the chamber differently. Never seen this from any other round or rifle I have ever shot

[@billyellis3509]

Myself and those I know who also own the 6.5 creedmoor haven't had one issue. Guess were just lucky.

[@fillupread]

It sounds like the problem is with his first reamer and maybe with early brass he admitted he bought 8+ years ago. Its not that uncommon for there to be variations in these things in the early days of a wildcat going mainstream. Still to this day there are disagreements with the shoulder angle of a 280AI...Fast forward to current times, there are no issues with the 6.5 outside the fact it created a firestorm of other 6.5 rounds.

[@Wavetrains]

Headspace dimension errors in brass would be corrected by sizing, no? I don't understand the issue, sorry.

[@TheRealGunsmith]

John Goode, thanks for asking. Some brass is so long in headspace that the die won't correct it without modifying the die. And factory ammo not fitting in various makes and models of rifles is not a die issue. If someone has dies they are not too apt to buy factory ammo to use. If they are buying factory ammo they aren't too apt to have dies.

[@ny6u]

you should ALWAYS pre-gauge all your brass and stay within the cartridge maximum COL dimensions. I never fire un-gauged ammo !

[@krisgreenwood5173]

If in doubt, run the brass through your resizer. Yes, it's an extra step. But, with pre loaded ammo, this may be an issue.

[@loydmccoy1152]

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[@G5Hohn]

The Real Gunsmith excellent point and I know that Bolt Action Reloading channel had a problem where his Lee die wouldn’t bump the shoulder because it bottomed out on the shell plate. Die issue? Or reamer issue? Hmm. Not coincidentally, Hornady die didn’t have this issue. My Forster sizer in 6.5 has worked perfectly. Tiny gap off the shell plate gives 0.002 shoulder bump and 0.004 neck tension.

[@cvcoco]

Very good info and thank you! Its interesting that you worked at Speer. I always got consistent results with CCI, like for .22, and so does everyone else. Why then did they say Remington was so bad in similar applications? Measuring the various brands, CCI cases are consistent in diameter and length, and Remington is nearly the worst, inconsistent though cartridge to cartridge you cant tell any difference just by looking at them. I was just reading about reloading .308 and it was mentioned that Lapua is consistent in the brass. If people want to know why one brand shoots OK and another doesnt, get a caliper and start measuring cases and you'll see the answer.

[@TheRealGunsmith]

CCI-Speer are old time hands on making some of the finest products. Thanks for watching and may you and yours stay well and safe.

[@cvcoco]

@@TheRealGunsmith Maybe you can followup this video with another to focus on the question of fault. Its not hard to find people who believe there is nothing wrong with cartridges, the fault is the gunmaker who didnt build in enough chamber allowances for all brands of a caliber to be used. All ammo makers may agree on the dimensions of a cartridge but that doesnt mean thats what the machines are producing. I too may have blamed the gun if I didnt start measuring brass and seeing the differences and inconsistencies. Im not an engineer or a reloader, maybe gunmakers know the problems and are supposed to create guns that support the flaws and variances but this process has to be explained better to people.

[@jasoncoulbourne5271]

I've had the exact same issue with 300WSM with Winchester brass more than once. Switch to norma not one problem reload 257bee, 300WSM, 30-06, 6.5 creedmoor, 243Win, 270win,

[@mrdarcy5267]

Could listen all day. Keep the videos coming. Respect 👍🏼

[@TheRealGunsmith]

Thank you so much. We do have more coming, already filmed. Plans to film more. We truly appreciate you and all of our supporters, followers, and subscribers. Good shooting!

[@paulsimmons5726]

The 6.5CM reminds me of the multiple WSM's that came out 20 years ago. Yeah, the 270Win was gonna be obsolete soon... Nope, and the same thing holds true for the 6.5CM, especially when more and more folks learn about the issues being discussed by Randy. My motto is that until a chambering has passed 50-75 years of continuous production and use, I'll wait to hear the results. The WSM's faded and you can pick up those rifles for pennies on the dollar nowadays. The 6.5CM has a bunch of paid writers singing praises to their readers but next year, it'll be another "perfect" caliber. All my rifles are chambered in older rounds that have been around and are still going the distance. If the 6.5CM if still selling like hotcakes in 20 years, call me. Great video, thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience with us.

[@haydenmiller542]

Okay boomer

[@BoT-mr8rw]

270 WSM is pennies in the dollar??

[@paulsimmons5726]

@@BoT-mr8rw Locally, I know of 3 270WSM M70's that have been in shops for a year at $475-600 and a 325WSM that's been in a pawnshop for 3yrs. It started at the low price of $995, because it was a "Rare and collectable Winchester!" It's now sitting there with a $495 tag... WSM's might still be the hot ticket in some parts of the country but not everywhere. Everyone here still uses the standard 30-06 or 270. The WSM ammo is still full priced though! Wouldn't want to make any predictions for the 6.5CR but all the writers have talked it up and the local shops seem to be able to move them for now. I think they'll wind up doing better than the WSM's just because the entire focus is all on the single caliber instead of the multiple calibers issued at once by Winchester. Winchester has been known to make some colossal marketing goofs from time to time. Best of luck for your favorite caliber.

[@dustinontaiyabbi5608]

Everytime I see wsm i think world's strongest man lol

[@Idahoguy10157]

I have no experience or grudge against the 6.5 Creedmore. However no one has said why it’s better as a hunting cartridge than the 270 Winchester in the same 140 grain bullet weight. Or the 6.5 Swede. Or the 260 Remington. Is there something I haven’t heard

[@p.p.8624]

It is not “better”. 270 has more powder cap, could say the same for 7mag, and so on. It has more power than the Swede and is slightly superior to the .260 because of the bullet seating. It just a good round, it’s not magic.

[@TheRealGunsmith]

The Creedmoor is a lower velocity cartridge, not capable of the ballistics of a .270 Win. Thanks for watching, for following. We truly appreciate it. May you and yours stay well and safe.

[@Idahoguy10157]

@@TheRealGunsmith …. I should have clarified. I meant as a hunting cartridge I failed to see the 6.5 Creedmore as having an advantage over the others