6.5 PRC and 270 Winchester

[@JesusvonNazaret]

Will the videos on youtube continue?

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Great question! Yes, they will. We will post videos about two times a week on KZbin. But the long cut with more details, charts, and examples will be over on RSO TV. Plus, we will post additional content not available on KZbin (like my newest hand loading video) on RSO TV.

[@JesusvonNazaret]

@@RonSpomerOutdoors great, so we will get informed by a teaser on youtube that a new video is online on RSO

[@nobbyclark5093]

Ron what is RSO Tv forgive the ignorant question mate 😬👍

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

@@nobbyclark5093 No ignorant questions. Just ignorant answers, Nobby. RSOTV.com is our new platform on which we can post the kinds of guns, shooting, reloading, and hunting videos that get banned on many/most "free" platforms like this one. But RSOTV.com is a "pay to play" platform costing $5 a month. I think and hope subscribers will get their money's worth. We aim to produce at least one video a week.

[@1HeavyHitr]

Good! #FKYT!

[@gunman-6646]

Love my .270! It was my grandpa's, he gave it to me when I was 14 years old. He passed in 1986. I got elk every year with it.

[@TAShannon1]

I don't understand why I keep watching these types of cartridge videos from Ron Spomer... It's all more of the same when comparing cartridges. Focusing on very small differences between cartridges and elaborating on them. We are totally nerding out on this topic. Hours of my life that I will never get back. Hats off to Ron Spomer for finding a way to keep it interesting. He just articulates things in such an effective way that keeps your interest locked down. I think Captivation is his most valuable talent. Great writer and story teller

[@kentgoldings]

I was load testing my 6.5 PRC when the old range officer starting asking about the specs of the cartridge. This dude is in his 80’s and has forgotten more about hard loading than I’ll never know. When I’m done breathlessly describing my new toy, he smiles and says, “That’s has nearly the same case capacity and muzzle velocity as my old 6.5-06 wildcat. But, the action is shorter.” That essentially sums up the 6.5 PRC. Same capability, shorter length.

[@K-bob_45]

6.5x284

[@TexanUSMC8089]

6.5-06 has been around since 1913 as the 257 Newton, but was SAAMI spec in the 80's by A-Square and called the 6.5-06. That means it's not a wildcat. Unfortunately A-Square went out of business and no other company make ammo for it... yet. LOL I've had a 6.5-06 for years and it shoots great. Your range officer sounds like someone that would be very interesting to sit around and talk to.

[@TexanUSMC8089]

@@K-bob_45 The failure for the 6.5-284 was that there were three companies that claimed it. 6.5-284 winchester, 6.5-284 Lapua, 6.5-284 Norma. No company wanted to make ammo because of the slight differences in cartridges and similarities in names. That's the main reason the 6.5 PRC was developed. No rebated rim, and same case capacity.

[@K-bob_45]

@@TexanUSMC8089 I’m pretty sure Norma is the only SAAMI loading. The 284 parent was the only cartridge winchester had claim to. I think lapua only started making the brass due to the popularity of the wildcat in F class. But yeah it never really caught on outside of benchrest. I’m not really sure rebated rims are a real problem but I know that’s what hornady’s 6.5 PRC pamphlet said 😂

[@csjrogerson2377]

Your old-timer friend knew the principles of ballistics and when someone does, just looking at a cartridge or knowing the specs will instantly enable you to compare with other similar cartridges and determine what its general characteristics will be. Thus you will quickly spot the marketeering of modern cartridge production.

[@ryanmurphy8327]

Ones again thank you for the great information 270 win fan here , enjoy the great Channel

[@exothermal.sprocket]

6.8 Western came along to give the 270 new life. I guess we'll see.

[@TexanUSMC8089]

One thing to remember, before anyone took the 3006 case and necked it down to 277 and made the 270 winchester, Newton necked the 30-06 down to 6.5/264 cal in 1913. He named it the 257 Newton because back then they measured the bore and not the grooves. It was later saami spec by A-Square and called the 6.5-06 A-Square. I think Newton saw the 6.5x55 Swede and how good it was and Americanized it by using the 3006 case.

[@emtfireman813]

The 270, in my opinion, is the best round for hunting bigger game in North America. Excellent ballistics, great selection of ammo, easy to find and will take down anything it hits. Yes, there are better rounds in each, individual category, but in combination, you can't beat it.

[@jamestoth1256]

Love the .270 I also like the .260 what a great caliber and it's been around a long time. How soon everyone forgets.

[@halbennett4491]

Really enjoyed the video Ron. Seems we're always trying to build a better mousetrap, but when it comes to the 6.5 PRC/270 Win, I'm still firmly in Jack O'Connor's camp. The 270, in my opinion, remains one of the most versatile hunting calibers for North American big game. If you're into ringing steel, well, you can do that too with modern powders and bullet selections for the 270.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Right you are, Hal. Too many shooters seem to be of the opinion that a cartridge design nearly 100 years old can't compete with more modern designs. Guys, its just a powder reservoir. Certainly it limits powder quantity, but the old cases can burn the same powders as the new and push the same bullets (withing twist limits.) Another myth is that you need a tricked out PRS "long range" platform rifle to hit anything beyond 500 yards. I've smacked plenty of plates from 600 to 1,000 with ordinary hunting rifle and scopes. I'm not going to win any competitions, but I have fun and learn/improve as I go.

[@tomcurran8470]

Jack O'Connor, 270 Win., 4x scope, and a 700 hard kill on a deer. He was the man.

[@geoffreyjohnston6483]

I keep seeing a group of shooters thego for the "next big thing". I just wonder if your out in BFE and you need ammo, are you going to find 6.5 PRC? Creedmore maybe, but you most likely find 270, 308 or 30-06. If you have something that works, if it's not broke, don't fix it.

[@brianrichards5694]

Yep 270 is close to the kwan,the 280,160gr bullitt @3000fps=the holy grail

[@corycoad5825]

I love learning about all the different cartridges even if I will never use or even see one shot in person.

[@cameronjohnson6838]

Darn you Ron! So much for me wanting to buy a new caliber I’ll just stick with the 270! Love your channel. I do really enjoy my 6 creed for deer and coyotes though.

[@mr.2d749]

Still hanging on to my M77 270

[@darrylkoehn3570]

In an era of scarce factory ammo, the .270 Win is usually more common on the shelves than the exotic 6.5s!!

[@edwardhoward4708]

That’s what does it for me.

[@danieldalessandro96]

I'd love to see a video on the 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser cartridge. Underrated and over looked way to much here in North America.

[@vikingsoftpaw]

This... I'd like to see a the 6.5 PRC vs 6.5 Sweed comparison. I have a hunch somebody's reinventing the wheel...

[@TexanUSMC8089]

@@vikingsoftpaw The problem with the 6.5x55 Swede is it was designed for a mid length receiver in a mauser action. In the USA we mostly use short, standard/long, and magnum. The 6.5x55 case doesn't fit well into any US rifles. I think the 6.5x55 came out in 1895, and in 1913 Newton made an American version by necking down the 30-06 case. It was called the 257 Newton and later changed to 6.5-06. For some reason not that many people bought one. I have one and know a few others that do.

[@kjoebek]

And the 6.5x57

[@Uberragen21]

@@vikingsoftpaw - yes and yes, but with a twist. Similarities abound, except when you look at factory ammunition on the 6.5x55 Swede is designed for a slower barrel twist rate. The 6.5 PRC ammunition is designed for a faster 1:8 barrel twist to stabilize the longer bullets with high BC. That's the primary difference even with the 6.5 PRC vs 270 Winchester. Since most people don't reload, they simply buy factory ammunition for their rifles, modern bullet geometry needs to match modern barrels. It's kind of like the .38 vs .357 case length. You can achieve .357 velocity out of a .38 with modern powder, but you will likely destroy an older weaker metallurgy .38 special revolver. So the .38 factory ammunition is loaded weak to be usable in the older revolvers without creating dangerous issues. Those manufacturers reserve the modern powders for the .357 where you can't accidentally load into your old .38 spl.

[@davep5227]

@@kjoebek what is that?? Never heard of it! I did buy a 6.5×55 Mauser rifle and totally Believe in it! She helped the Finnish in WW II. Swedish Precision. Can't Beat It

[@curiousjoe2126]

Empire of the Summer Moon is a great book!

[@garyCauser]

The 270 has seen it all….still around and still going strong! Boys and their toys….

[@dillonlyon8947]

I hunt in upstate New York. I use a Remington 7600 .270 win. I love the .270. My next high dollar rifle will be in 6.8 western. Great video

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks Dillon. Good luck up there.

[@ashton7790]

Just took a nice buck this weekend with my .270!

[@gajierote2496]

Don’t forget the 180 grain woodligh for 270 that will stabilize in most 1-10s. Great video 270 still going

[@csjrogerson2377]

Feed the Woodleigh 180gr 270 info into the Berger stability calculator and see what you get. SG of 1.44 and marginal stability. Recommends a slightly tighter twist at 9.75.

[@pauldeahl3980]

@@csjrogerson2377 - every gun shoots differently. Only way to see if your gun likes it is to try it. It may surprise you.

[@lonniefransen2946]

Loading 150gr sierra or nosler partion with reloader 26 will get you about 3050 fps so they are about same, cost goes to 270 still one of the best

[@mgmitchell92]

I have heard the same. .270 winchester is still doing wonders for all things hunting.

[@AlanRoehrich9651]

Keeping my Model 70 in 270 Winchester.

[@jontalbert5448]

270 Winchester--DONE

[@219garry]

Lot of cartridges out there. I think one would only need 4 of them to hunt everything from squirrels to buffalo

[@MrMalicious5]

4? More like 2. I don't know what it is with Fudds and their cartridge wars. Any modern rifle cartridge is capable of killing a deer. Not like they can take advantage of the external ballistics when they never shoot past 100 yards anyways.

[@chevyon37s]

I love my 6.5PRC. Shoots great, I just zeroed it yesterday and I’ll be deer hunting with it soon! And with handloads over 3000fps is easily attainable with a 140-147gr bullet.

[@malachiwhite356]

What real-world velocities are achievable with 120--130 grain bullets?

[@shootingatshadow]

@@malachiwhite356 3200 on the 120 and 3100 on the 130

[@malachiwhite356]

@@shootingatshadow Okay, thanks.

[@cornbreadburgess1950]

Thanks Ron

[@TheDruxlol]

cant get over the barrel life

[@MrMalicious5]

Be honest, have you ever shot out a barrel?

[@jasonlopez4855]

I'm a big fan of all the -06 calibers 270 win 👍🏽🦌 caliber every one I know has One at one time or another.

[@Stargazer80able]

Most standard calibers in the .303British, to the .30-06 and the 6,5 Carcano, 6,5 Arisaka, 6,5 Swedish/Norwegian will do the same job. 6,5x55 have taken everything from polar bears and seals to moose and everything smaller. Today, even smaller bore is used, as the .243 is a most common caliber for deer in North America. For the average hunter it is more about availability of ammunition and cost than anything else. Good ammunition that don`t bruise half of the animal comes second. All of the mentioned is very capable on deer sized animals. For a sudden stop of a larger animal, there are the .358 Weatherbys, Rigbys, Lotts and magnums. The spectrum of calibers available is immense. With new bullet tech today, the lethality is the same, but the bruising is about none. You put out some of the best videos out there Ron. Please keep them coming!

[@mikecon7634]

Thank you

[@IamCOLLEGE]

Great video, Covey. Ron you were ok too!

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks 👍

[@garrettforchrist2700]

I really like your videos Ron. I'm a .270 guy, but lately I've had an interest in the 6.8 Western. Maybe you could do a video on that.🇺🇲✝️🇺🇲

[@SurmaSampo]

He has

[@garrettforchrist2700]

@@SurmaSampo Thank You. I'll look for it!

[@guyranctilsr]

We watch all your videos ,why they r ones to fallow ,this family we love u mr Spomer

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks for the support, Guy.

[@alkalk8938]

Two-seventy for the win.

[@308guy8]

Remington made a 6.5 Remington magnum years ago nobody talks about it anymore

[@malachiwhite356]

Remington mucked it up by offering it in a bolt-action carbine with a ventilated rib.

[@wes326]

If you hunt but don't do long range target shooting, then the traditional hunting cartridges are all you need. Thanks for sharing.

[@Manbunmen65]

What is a traditional cartridge? The 6.5x55 has 40 years on the 270, so which one is "traditional" The 270 has 80 years on the 6.5 creedmoor...You see where I'm going with this?

[@wes326]

@@Manbunmen65 Good point. We've probably had all the cartridges we need for hunting since the 1960's. Most everything since then is marketing or boredom. We are just splitting hairs now. Long-range target shooting is another story due to high BCs and twist rates. Just my opinion.

[@tonydoe877]

Love my 270, 30-06, 30-30 with Leverevolution…❤️

[@travissmith-wz5nc]

Having trouble find leverevolution in Michigan

[@tonydoe877]

@@travissmith-wz5nc I ordered from Sportsman Guide over the years…stocked up

[@travissmith-wz5nc]

@@tonydoe877 ya not there now. Lol. And gun brokers. Com is just price gouging

[@tonydoe877]

@@travissmith-wz5nc sorry to here that!

[@tonymcbroom5252]

I think I would lean toward the 6.5 Swede if I was going to go that way, but I love my .270. Where I live in TN, shots over 200 yds are few and far between, most are less than 100 yards so 150 grain .270 is the tonic! Thanks for the video Ron, gonna pick that book up for sure.

[@zacharyfrench9935]

Support from Arkansas

[@daveaver]

Thanks Ron, just ordered the book.

[@zechnarwilliams8019]

I am still playing the .260 Remington card!

[@bobkat1663]

Great Show

[@vincegordon6830]

Outstanding video Ron!!! Hi Covey 👋🤩

[@gerrymccarthy9568]

Really like these videos Ron. Here in Ireland the Creedmore has also taken off. Mostly for long range target shooting. 270 Win still very popular for hunting, as is the 308 Win, 30-06 and 300 Win mag. Don’t know why the 300 mag is popular. We have Sika, Fallow and Red Deer, the latter being a three quarter size Wapiti ( Elk in ‘merica). Oh! The PRC is so far making no progress.

[@hikenmikes8262]

The Irish seem quite wise.

[@TexanUSMC8089]

Unfortunately new cartridges are probably slower to catch on in Europe because of government restrictions on owning guns. I live in a town of about 25,000 in Texas and we have 7 or 8 stores that sell guns. We can walk in and buy one and walk out with our new rifle in 30 minutes.

[@hikenmikes8262]

@@TexanUSMC8089 ya gotta love Texas!! If I could handle the humidity, I’d be there👍🏼

[@joquin4618]

You guys own guns? Good to know! I guess the “old world” is not that bad for gun nuts ! Would love to visit your country and have a good stout !! Cheers 🍻 !!

[@VexChoccyMilk]

@@malachiwhite356 I would imagine in some countries where you are limited to how many/what kind of guns you can own, the few allowed would be more consolidated popularity-wise. So, I assume less factory ammo options available.

[@nickq204]

The .270 is tough to beat. I can find ammo for it all over America, and it’ll perform well enough on any game found here. That being said, the 6.5 PRC is an interesting concept, but I don’t think I’ll get on board with it right away..

[@johnfontenot7861]

That is a great book, i had no idea the comanchees were so powerful ! I really appreciate the book recommendations.

[@bryangrote8781]

Great book recommendation. Empire of the Summer Moon is the best book on the Indian Wars I’ve ever read and it pulls no punches for either side.

[@tomcurran8470]

Yes, it is great. The crazy thing is that the statue of the Texas Rangers was taken down because they went after Indians, not PC nowadays. However, the truth is that they went after Comanches, which wreaked havoc with both other Indians and everyone else.

[@missey316]

Thank you Ron

[@paulnirschl6500]

Ron I’ve been hunting with a 270 Win for 45yrs and will stick with it plus you can find ammo for it any where, well usually. I did however jump on the 6.5 creedmore band wagon a few years ago and you are right not to impressive as a deer round but does well on coyotes and such.

[@MrMalicious5]

The deer won't know the difference between 6.8mm and 6.5mm, lol.

[@christopherlewis9652]

give me a break. all the wild game in my freezer would beg to differ and wish you were were right. when you put the bullet through the heart and or lungs ANYTHING is gonna die.

[@fedup3582]

@@christopherlewis9652 ya, that is right, but in my experience hunting with a 6.5 creedmoor, it is sure underwhelming in doing it.

[@fedup3582]

@@christopherlewis9652 my 257 Roberts flattened the same type of game at longer ranges, with the same behind the shoulder, heart/lung shots, while those same type animals hit with the creedmoor ran longer distances than most calibers, I've used on that type game. Ya if was easy to shoot, yes it was accurate, yes I was able to make good shots on the game, yes the bullets expanded and penetrated, no the terminal effect was not impressive, it was very underwhelming, particularly as I watched well hit animals run excessive distances. I had not so long before taken 3 head of the same type game with heart/ lung hits at longer ranges with a 257 Roberts and those animals dropped in their tracks. Same type animals taken with bigger calibers, such as the 270, left much more impressive damage to internal organs than the creedmoor did. I was quite disappointed in the performance of the creedmoor. Yes it harvested the game. Yes it was very underwhelming in doing so.

[@fedup3582]

@@christopherlewis9652 well I am glad you have great success, I hope it continues, but i will follow my first hand experience.

[@alfonsogarcia8744]

I love my .270 WSM. Win model 70.

[@kevinroberts9580]

I was waiting for you to get around to the ballistic coefficient difference🤔😁

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

.591 270 vs. .630 for the PRC, as I recall. Sorry, but I'm in deer camp and didn't get to preview this vid before it went out. The B.C.s and trajectory data will be in the full-length version of this on RSOTV.com soon.

[@cliffdiymech3996]

I have a 270 and a 6.5 creedmoor, I haven’t bought a 6.5prc simply because of the comparable ballistics between the 270 and the prc. Ron is stating truth, as always. I do keep buying ammo for the 270 and the creedmoor much more so than my other rifles though, great video Ron!👍

[@BigT27295]

Love me some Covey.

[@TheRAFlemingsMr]

I wanted to thank you because you saved me a bunch of money. All the rage seems to be 6.5mm cartridges; creedmore, PRC, etc. After watching your videos on the comparisons I realized that the .270 Win sitting in the closet was equal to and in some cases better than the new whiz bang calibers. So I dropped my plan to buy a 6.5 and dusted off my .270. I'm old and old school; don't fix it if it ain't broke and don't spend money for what you've basically already got. So thank you and keep up the great work. Love your analysis, it helps an old fogey like me to decide whether the next SS check goes to food or a new firearm.

[@falba1492]

If I ever wanted a 6.5/.264 cartridge, it would be a 264 Win Mag. Nothing new under the sun 🌞

[@joshlower1]

Get with the times boomer, we have good rifles now.

[@falba1492]

@@joshlower1 Do you mean cartridges, my soy drinking child?

[@peteunderwood2772]

Looks like a great book to add to the to-read list.

[@badmedic6]

You make quality content, Ron. Cheers

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks Brad.

[@jeffreymurphy4229]

Agree that is a Great book

[@scottmansur9978]

Thanks!

[@russelljackson7034]

Right on

[@drewriggs812]

Great video Sir!

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thank you kindly!

[@nobbyclark5093]

Great work Ron as per usual 👍

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks Nobby.

[@nsatoday]

Love you videos. Going with .280 AI for my hunting needs past what a 7mm-08 will do. And yes I’ve got .30-06 and .270 rifles

[@fedup3582]

The 280 AI is a fantastic cartridge. Wish they would chamber it in more rifles and produce more and lower cost ammo for it. If they had put out the AI in the first place, the 280 Remington would never have existed (sort of a which came first, the chicken or the egg scenario). The 280 AI is what the 280 Remington should have been in the first place. Just my opinion. But the 30-06 and 270 are just two established standards that are available, reasonably priced, and been getting it done with aplomb for many decades.

[@arthurshingler2025]

I agree with your comparisons!

[@candelariosanchez273]

I’m from Texas and I’m not sure I’m ready to change my .270 WSM gor a 6.5 prc any time soon since the Prc are so hard to find on the shelves but always so confident on my .270 WSM to get the job done .

[@jero1918]

I wanted comparison bad! Thanx!

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Glad I could help!

[@leathers970]

270 has always been my caliber, but I'm definitely shooting my 6.5 prc now.

[@iamnotpaulavery]

Can you cover the 6.5-300 Wthby mag? If you already did, let me know. Thanks. Always looking forward to your videos!! Give your dog a big hug for me!! I miss my two German Shepherds. Over the years they started getting old and both developed hip dysplasia. Such a horrible disorder that's highly prevalent in Shepherds! I've been a dog lover since I was born! First dog I had was a Golden retriever mix my dad got for me when I was born. When my male Shepherd passed on last year, I ended up with...cats!! Yikes!!! I'm already looking for another dog, lol!

[@cardude1992]

It's the 6.5 Grendel that got people talking about 5.56 vs 6.5 Grendel initially. Creedmoor came later I think.

[@natesmith4050]

Love your channel. Ty!

[@hantusmostert]

Ron, how about a segment: "The Nearly Perfect Hunting Rifle" Weight Wood for Stock Action Trigger Scope Barrel Length Caliber Bullet Construction

[@m444ss]

great review

[@joshhooker5873]

Awesome video , better book!!!

[@j6784d]

Just finished Empire of the Summer Moon. Life on the Plains was so brutal. Crazy that those tribes had no word for surrender. Death was expected if they didn't win the fight. Started reading Lonesome Dove after that. 1/2 through.

[@joelclark2130]

It all comes down to Barrel life versus accuracy

[@edgardpenalba9023]

Do a video of the 6.5 prc for prs bro!!…….you. Can do it

[@chrisj0]

I think your article on the fast-twist 270 barrel makes a lot of sense. Main difference between 6.5 PRC (or the next hot cartridge) and the 270 win (or the 30-06 et. all) is ammo availability. On the other hand, if you started making all 270 win barrels in 1:8 twist, you'd have access to all existing ammo and could hand load the new high BC bullets for the 6.8 Western. Really a do everything rifle. Edit: sorry it was an article; it was a question by a viewer.

[@markhasleton6403]

I friend of mine ( a successful businessman ), owns a customised .270 with a 23" , 8.25" twist barrel. That beast throws those 170g Berger's like like ...well ... a 300 yd moose round should.

[@luvtahandload7692]

I think it all comes down to twist rate. Perhaps SAAMI should consider steepening the standard twist rate of nearly every cartridge more than 20 years old. I was subscribed to you, Ron, but when you mentioned it in this vid, I looked and found that YT unsubscribed me. I recall that it has happened with other channels in the past as well. Anyway, I re-upped! Thanks, Ron!

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks for re-subscribing!

[@jasonisenberg6199]

I think it says something about a cartridge when new cartridges compare themselves to you. Ie. "This new 6.5 whiz-bang is the same as the .270 Winchester. This cartridge is equivalent to the 30-06 Springfield... This has ballistics like the .308 Winchester." It's great when new cartridges come out; but I doubt they will ever replace either of those "oldies" mentioned. Nothing against experimenting, but something that works, just works!

[@denots42]

My pap and my dad shot 270 for years my dad had a 7mm rum and though it wasn’t that necessary for around where we are you’d be lucky to ever get near a 300 yard shot at a deer most of ours are within 150 yards easily but he switched to the 300 win mag because he actually had a few rounds of 270 get deflected in thicker brush and the 300 helped prevent that for us so we love that round but he’s taken 40-50 deer in his youth with a 270 and my pap has killed over a hundred sometimes things ain’t broke so you don’t need to fix it

[@ronaldmoshier921]

6.5 PRC vs 6.8 Western would be interesting.

[@MrMalicious5]

No it wouldn't. 6.5 bullet selection stomps .270.

[@goldog2816]

Love em both, I already had three 270's before I bought my creedmoor so I'm good I'll save my money for a different gun all together before I buy a PRC even though I"D love to have one ........

[@The1stsuperman]

Empire of the Summer Moon! Cool to see some literature on this channel. Great stuff, mister.

[@paulsimmons5726]

While I appreciate everyone's efforts at developing the new "perfect round", the simple truth is that there are about a dozen calibers that are the gold standards for their particular uses. Every few decades, a new caliber catches the imagination of the hunting public and it makes the cut. But since the 6.5Cr has been pushed so much by the gun industry over the past few years, I doubt anyone's gonna ditch all their 6.5Cr stuff and swap to another 6.5 whatever. Gotta admit though, I'd love to see the good ol' 6.5x55 Swiss get some love and attention... Still a fantastic caliber!

[@TexanUSMC8089]

277 and 264 are calibers. 270 winchester and 6.5 PRC are cartridges. There are a LOT more cartridges designed to shoot 264/6.5 caliber bullets than 277 by far. 6.5 caliber has been around a lot longer too. People don't mind when cars come out with new colors, better engines, better transmissions etc...but it hits the fan when a new and improved cartridge comes out.

[@johnsavarese6365]

I have a friend that loads the 6.5x55 for his 1896 Mauser. That is his 300 plus yard deer rifle.

[@SH-lb1nu]

6.5x55 is the most underrated caliber. Exceptional accuracy low recoil and reasonable power out to 500+ with the right loads

[@rolandfeuz2306]

The swiss is 7.5×55!🇨🇭 The swedish is 6.5×55!

[@arborist460]

I want more on the .280 ackley improved…love to hunt in your area with a custom .28 nosler blueprinted and fit to my little frame..lol..thanks Ron love the knowledge

[@JAKDRZR]

I think he has a right up on the net about a 280ai.

[@brettstewart5186]

That 28 nosler sounds sweet mate cheers Yogi Australia 🇦🇺🤟🤟

[@cjay8163]

Great book 👍

[@jasonphillips1879]

I have a box of Speer 170 grain 270 bullets

[@ericwiitala5407]

I'm in CO... My 270 is my go to rifle. My rifle shoot Accubonds, 150 gr really really well. I haven't met an animal I shot at yet that would disagree. Though nothing against the 6.5's... and if I wanted to buy a rifle, I'd certainly consider it.

[@markhasleton6403]

270 , always was. Always will be .(ie , a hard-hitting hammer)

[@Nathan_King]

I hunt with the 270W, but like the 6.5PRC for long range target work. I currently have a 260Rem for that task and it's fine. A few extra hundred fps is nice once you get past 600, 700 yards though. As a hunting round, the 6.5PRC is in a crowded space. As a target round, it's one of the better combinations of speed, bc, and low recoil.

[@Nathan_King]

Also wanted to mention I've shot steel out to 600 with the 270W and it did really well. I won't shoot deer that far, but definitely increased my confidence in my rifle.

[@rosshill2565]

Crazy thing is, this was 2-3 years ago when Ron did this. Just listened to a pod cast, and the 6.5 PRC is actually exploding in the hunting world, while long rage target shooting has gone to 6mm small rifle way. They can not make hunting ammo fast enough, according to pod cast.

[@KeystoneTexan]

I, grew up in the Texas Panhandle, and the Comanche Indians were the most feared of all the different tribes with the Kiowa tribe a close second.

[@quinncunneen7845]

Hey Ron. You should make videos about specific bullets and cartridges for specific animals or regions. If you were to just hunt mule deer what bullet and cartridge would be ideal in your opinion? Or if you were to only hunt in Alaska what bullet and cartridge would be ideal? Apply it to antelope, moose, Montana or whatever other game and animal you can think of. Love your stuff Ron!

[@harpersperformancehorses3143]

Please do a video on the new 6.8 western

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Have done a couple already, Harpers. Just search my channel and you should find them.

[@kurtreinhardt6789]

As always- enjoyed your video- I'm a nostalgic fellow and yes I usually migrate to the old faithful calibers- but of course that's personal preference and I'm positive that the new calibers coming out do theirs as intended

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@agonzalez8924]

100 years ago, people you used to take out grizzly bears with 30-30 quite easily. i'm baffled when people make comments like "6.5 creedmore is not ideal for big game hunting".

[@matthewpotter2682]

Hey Ron, I'm not sure if you have done anything on the 300PRC but, if not that would be one I'd like to see something on from you. Comparison to other cartridges and maybe some reloading.

[@ram_bam]

Ron, if you liked Empire of the Summer Moon, give Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee a read.

[@phlynnstone4974]

Just subscribed! trying to make a decision on my first rifle. For Hawaii hunts. Axis Deer and maybe Mouflon Sheep Aloha!

[@scbane]

Mr Spomer, I would like to see you do a video on short action calibers that use the least powder to achieve the best velocity and energy, for all of us handloaders who covid hit hard in our powder and primer stocks. Example: I hunted this year with a 30.06 for deer and elk, due to the price of ammo. However, I had quite a few 30.06 handloads available. Next year, unless I can find primers, I will be exclusively using 243 Win, 30-30, 308 Win, due to the relatively small powder charge required. (I have taken almost all of my deer, elk, and moose, in descending order of number killed, with: 308 Win, 270 Win, 30.06, 243 Win, 30-30.) Keep up the good work, sir, I always enjoy your caliber content.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks, scbane. The short answer is to deer hunt with the smallest legal cartridge in your area. For many this is the 223 Rem, 222 Rem, or 22 Fireball, but some allow 22 Hornet and even some 17s. Don't worry about energy because energy doesn't kill. So long as the bullet reaches the vitals and causes hemorrhaging, it should work. At least one professional feral burro culler back in the 1940s discovered his 220 Swift killed faster and more dependably than 30-06 and 8mm Mauser. Others swore by the 17 Remington. Bullet placement is most critical. I've taken feral hogs with 50-gr. V-Max from 221 Fireball at about 150 yards. Can't imagine why that wouldn't work on deer. Of course, light powder charges in the likes of 30-30 and 300 Blackout are also viable. Good luck.

[@tracyepeterson7817]

6.5 PRC VS 6.8 western

[@falba1492]

270 WSM lol