6.5 PRC vs 270 WSM

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I'm sure a lot of you have noticed the wrong energy number for 270 WSM at 400 yards. Sorry... it's suppose to be 2127 ft.lbs not 3127

[@Capmikqc]

No no it’s 3127! It’s Winchester ‘s hidden powerhouse !!!

[@tracyfry6464]

@@Capmikqc do the math it's 2127 ft.lbs ( 150x2527x2527/ 450240=2127)

[@kylecasetta4091]

My dad and brother shoot the 270 wsm its an amazing cartridge. Ammo was scarce for a couple years but now its got a few options back on thr shelves of all the stuff you really need. Good review still dont see a nees for the creeds or prc rounds but some people do and that's the great thing about America you can like your stuff as I like mine

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for watching!

[@89JDmac]

Good timing, I just ordered a 270 wsm!

[@MNBuckhunter]

me too in a tikka t3x lite stainless 675 on black friday sale

[@TomL3grandsons]

Seems to me Hornady likes to short change cartridges that they didn’t develop.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Not just Hornady... every company does it

[@texpatriot8462]

The also promise more than they can deliver. The 270 is better than the 6.5PRC in 95% of real world hunting scenarios. They could even get the 6.5 PRC to truly fit in a small action like Winchester did with the 6.8W

[@robertmajors1737]

I agree that Hornady likes to be VERY conservative with their data (and loaded ammo) for cartridges that are in competition with theirs.

[@mryang3644]

H= Hater 😂

[@JCZ_888]

Just check 6.5x55 😂

[@mcsmedcastspecialists1285]

Perfect analysis! I have both, I gravitate toward the PRC now days. My go to load for the 270 WSM is a 130 SST going 3350 FPS and it is DEVASTATING on deer!

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I bet

[@stevenicholas5651]

I love when you use the reloading books! Dont stop doing that hahaha

[@hunt1198]

I’m glad to see this match up.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for watching

[@hunt1198]

@ Yes sir.

[@lesliegee42069]

Hard to believe the WSM and WSSM stuff came out that long ago. I remember being in middle and high school reading the articles.

[@gregpaffendorf7289]

I have several 6.8 Western, and 270 WSM rifles. I reload the 270 WSM and 6.8 Western with H4831 SC for 150 gr. + pills. I play with the jump and charge for accuracy with AB's, Barnes's, and Swift Scirocco II's. I'm experimenting with VihtaVuori N-560 soon. I love reloading these cartridges!!

[@darrylpacholko5495]

The 6.8 western is the cartridge that the WSM should have been. I saw your chronograph numbers of the 170 grain E.O.L. bullets!! Amazing getting over 31 hundred feet per second.

[@phild9813]

I disagree that the 6.8 is what the WSM should have been. Two completely different concepts of terminal bullet performance for them. When the WSMs were launched, speed and the concept of max point blank range was still being applied, making flatter shooting rounds at reasonable hunting ranges preferable. I would argue that most hunters today are better off with speedy rounds that shoot flatter out to 400 yards, coupled with controlled expansion bullets.

[@JAKDRZR]

@@phild9813 I agree. In my family and group of hunters I’m the only one with a scope with dialable turrets. Most guys I know don’t shoot farther then 400 yards ever and 97% of the time you can’t see farther then 200 yards in my area. Speed equals energy and a flatter easier shot.

[@drakeslocum2564]

6.8 Western is honestly the best of both worlds

[@Kevin-qy4du]

Because it has a twist rate of 1 in 8 to stabilize longer bullets.

[@eduardoolaechea]

@@Kevin-qy4du In this channel I've watched longer bullets being stabilized from a a 1:10 twist .270 win. If is the case with the 270 wsm then the 6.8 western is practically the same thing with a slighlty reduced case capacity.

[@jimedick9496]

@@eduardoolaechea Correct, but a lot of that will depend on the elevation you’re shooting from.

[@GodsCountryShootingOutdoors]

I just happened across a T/c venture in 270 wsm. Not the one I wanted for collecting, but great to play with reloading the 270 wsm loads

[@jessdurfee3817]

I have a .270WSM and I love it. I have a load worked for it that shoots single hole groups at 100 yards at 3408 with the E-tip. I have a 150 grain partition load that does 3184 and will touch at 100. I find most Hornady loads to be anemic, they are very cautious with their loads. I use GRT for looking at loads and trying to predict what they will do and it always seems to say the loads are too hot, even though my load data always comes from a book or website of either a bullet or powder maker and are deemed safe.

[@thebryguy96]

Thanks for the honest comparison. I have GRT on my laptop and i can see from your comparison here, why i need to use it more often. The 270 wsm is solid but rarely seen these days. I have a 270 wby which has a tad more capacity but overall very similar velocities and both have slower twist barrels from the factory. The 6.8 western definitely is more efficient and should be a more popular cartridge than it is. The 6.5 prc is very popular and i feel a much better long range hunting cartridge than a 6.5 CM. Velocity matters.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for your comment

[@JacinthD]

I think the cartridge is fascinating and always considered getting a rifle in one but the brass availability sucks and the prices are at like $2+ a piece.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Brass does suck for 270 WSM

[@shawnstockton6143]

Had a 6.5 prc in a seekins,,,best velocity i could get was 2945? Treaded a proof barrel onto it on 270wsm,,,chambered long for the 160-170gr bullets,,,my oh my! Need to try the 155 lrx next,,thanks for the vid

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Dang... that is slow

[@ajdube9967]

I'm getting a 20 shot average velocity of 2999.5 with a 156 Berger and .3 grains under max charge of n570. .27 mean radian for 20 shots. 24" carbon six bullet. Smashed my buck at 750. One shot through the top of the heart. Maybe shoot the Seekins more and it'll speed up. Try different powders too. Best I could get with the big Berger and H1000 was 2825 for 20 shot average. Shot amazing but it was too slow.

[@shawnstockton6143]

@@ajdube9967 I put 300 rounds through it,,,then threaded the wsm barrel on it,,,it likes the 165 ablr with r26

[@shawnstockton6143]

And 1/8 twist

[@Manbunmen65]

I'm about to start handloading my PRCs. But in factory loads 130s at 3150 and 120s at 3280, 142/143s 2950.

[@hugoletkeman7049]

One thing worth mentioning for the reloaders. The wsm uses about 10 grains more powder at max charge and LRM primers, which can be pretty rare to find these days.

[@jrhunt414]

For most loads in most magnums a Win Large Rifle is plenty hot enough if you can’t find a magnum primer. Most not all.

[@robertneal4112]

I used to have a Savage 110 270 WSM in the early 2000’s. It was a 1.5 to 2 MOA rifle. Ammo availability became an issue so I traded it off for a Mauser 264 win mag. I bought a Tikka Roughtech 6.5 PRC last year. It is a 1/2 MOA rifle with Hornady Precision Hunter. I don’t notice any difference in killing power between the rounds. I have more confidence in the PRC because of the accuracy. I will keep using it unless ammo and reloading supplies become scarce.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for watching and commenting

[@Westerner_]

A .264 win mag Mauser is leaps and bounds cooler than a 6.5 PRC tikka though!

[@robertneal4112]

@@Westerner_ especially since it was built by one of my mentors that is no longer with us.

[@Timberdam]

Keeping my 270 WSM as well as 7 mm WSM and 300 WSM They simply get the job done if I do my Job !!! Thanks for the confirmation , Great review

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for watching

[@GeneralObeseus]

if you like to review short mags i would suggest doing one on the underrated 350 Rem Mag!

[@jfess1911]

As seen in the powder volume, the 270 WSM at 68.5 grains is indeed a magnum cartridge while the 6.5 PRC at 59.3 grains is more like a 6.5-06. Both are good cartridges, I have always considered the 6.5 PRC and its 338 RCM cases to be the updated version of the -06. I find it impressive that the PRC hangs in there with 9 grains less propellant.

[@DesertRunninOutdoors]

I shot a 270 WSM for quite a while. Mostly 130 and 140 Accubonds. Did the trick very well. Went away from it because I never liked the RIFLE itself much. Always thought it was pretty underrated. Also had a 6.5 PRC for a while…. Like it a lot, sold it as well. To me, both cartridges solve a problem not many of us have. Don’t get me wrong, they’re fantastic and work very well on game. BUT, I have a 6.5 CM and a .300 win mag that are my “usuals” neither the .270 WSM or 6.5 PRC cartridges solver anything for big game hunting inside ~500 yards. If I want more than the creed, shoot the .300. Don’t need the .300? Creed does fine.

[@ExtremeUnction1988]

Well said.

[@phild9813]

Your logic is sound. I’m kind of the opposite. I fell into a Tikka 270wsm over a decade ago and fell in love with the rifle, and as a result, have kept it around for the duration. I just can’t help but take it elk hunting due to the confidence I have built in it. We have some creedmoors also, for when I want a little less. Also have 06s, 270wins, 30-30, 243, but always just grab the 270wsm.

[@denisleblanc4506]

How would the 6.8 Western do against these?

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Beat both of them because of the fast twist in the 6.8 Western being able to shoot heavier high b.c. bullets.

[@jam5287]

@@ReloadingWeatherbymost 6.5 PRC barrels also have 1:8 twist rate though right? I’ve seen Berger eol bullets in the 150-160 grain class get well over 3,000 fps in the 6.5 PRC.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

@jam5287 I know it does. 6.8 Western is faster than 6.5 PRC and can shoot a 170 gr Berger

[@jam5287]

@@ReloadingWeatherby I have no doubt about that. 6.8 western is a beast. I just wish we could get better brass and factory loads for it that aren’t from Winchester. I would love to see what federal or nosler could do with it.

[@benketcherside1746]

Here's a ideal pick what you like learn it load for it and shoot it lol there are so many cartridges that all do basically the same thing i love the 6.5 prc i think its a great cartridge and wonderfully accurate pushing 156 eol@2940 works really well i never had that much lucknwith the 270wsm i also thought it was a great cartridge but ended up keeping the 6.5 frankly it just shot better for me

[@wrecker4267]

My 270wsm is shooting 150g 3240-3250 fps, love it can’t find that factory ammunition anymore though Please compare to the 6.8 western!?

[@plem7210]

Midway does have a decent amount of 270 wsm ammo. It is not cheap however. They have a custom 150 partition bullet load.

[@aaronwilcox6417]

Does Reloading Weatherby work for Hornady? Something about him and his fancy rifles make me wonder if he's on their payroll as a big time influencer.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Bahaha

[@jameswilson5562]

Gonna be a good one

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Hope you like it

[@jameswilson5562]

@ReloadingWeatherby I got my best 8 point this morning Ole wby still gets it done

[@darinsitko998]

Thanks for the comparison. I bought a wsm some years ago per a recommendation from a friend. Wanted so badly to drive tacks with 150 gr LRAB. Disappointment ensued. Wish it was a 1:8 twist. Considering moving to 130gr bullet like my original Jack O' Conner.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Go for it

[@scotnelson3459]

Great video. Im curious to see what your take is on comparing the 6.5prc vs 264 win mag!? It looks to me like the win mag beats it out by alot. It just boils downt to long action vs short action. And or new/fast twist vs old/slow. However if the win mag can still push 140-143gr fine through a 1 in 10 twist. The bullet length and twist argument should be basically even!? Again, nobody has a head to head comparison of the two. Thank you for the video. 👍

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

264 Win mag has at least 10 more grains of case capacity. It should always beat the 6.5 PRC in velocity

[@goranmalnar5172]

Great video👍 If you can compare 280 rem with 7x64 Brenneke, and his sister 7x65 R Brenneke.Another information,Grt is not always corect. In my 7x65 R break action I am in dangerus pressures ohoho, but my rifle didnt show any pressure signs??? Didnt measure speed so I dont garant anything.Sorry on my englesh writhening.

[@Yoopermanbeau]

My biggest buck was shot with a 270 wsm and my dad’s biggest ever was shot with a 6.5 prc. Both worked about the same for northern mi deer at roughly 50 yards. I don’t think either of the deer could tell the difference.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Nice

[@mikecrotts3943]

what is the max official pressure for the 270 wsm? Hodgdon seems to stop at 65000, is that why your tool shows "dangerous load do not use"?

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

65k psi

[@rksando1]

Is there anything that would make a 6.5PRC inherently more accurate than a 270 with factory ammo?

[@weansardman]

Interesting. I thought the 6.5PRC is similar in ballistic performance to the 270WIN.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

270 Win is very similar out to 500 yards with the 6.5 PRC

[@cjberan]

@@ReloadingWeatherbyyes and I see the prc as just a expensive 270 for hunting.

[@hunt1198]

What about the .270 weatherby mag.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Even faster...

[@hunt1198]

You need to do a review on .270 weatherby mag vs 6.5 prc

[@msa4548]

I've never done anything with the 270 WSM. I like the idea of the 6.5 PRC for the everyday hunting I do. But the 6.8 western is what the WSM should have been.

[@lorenweatherby6520]

Good review, but without watching the 270 wsn, at least mine with 8" twist barrel pushing Berger 170 gr @ 3190 fps will out perform the 6.5

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

How long is your barrel?

[@lorenweatherby6520]

26" Bartlien

[@lorenweatherby6520]

I use RL 26

[@lorenweatherby6520]

Put my 270 load day in your ballistic calculator. Speeds verified with my Lab Radar

[@lorenweatherby6520]

1000 yards, velocity 2156 fps, Energy 1756 ft-lbs. Amazing 😁

[@hopefulballistics]

270 WSM > 6.5 PRC 😁

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

You're not biased at all...

[@hopefulballistics]

of course not

[@phild9813]

He may be biased, but he also happens to be correct :)

[@ajdube9967]

Actually the 6.5 PRC with a 156 Berger crushed the wsm at a thousand. My own guns dope shows that. An extra 200 fps faster and another 250 ft lb or so.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

@@ajdube9967 Your data is not at sea level. Also... check mate kzbin.info67bgmYyXE38?si=psZ0GuwKG-IkLrbp

[@ajdube9967]

156 Bergers in my 24" go 3k under max charge. Don't worry too much about their 26" test barrel.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

You're at 68k psi... not too terribly over pressure

[@wickertwm]

There is a mistake on the 270 WSM The table shows the bullet velocity at 300 yards as 2677 fps and energy at 2387 ft. lbs. whereas the velocity at 400 yards is 2527 fps and claimed energy of 3127 ft lbs. A slower bullet with more energy???

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Yep I made a mistake

[@JAKDRZR]

There is way better bullets options for the 6.5 For reloading target ammo or even going as heavy as you can hunting bullet ie. 156 Berger eol at 2950ish. But all that said 270wsm is a great hunting cartridge! Have two in our group of 10 hunting guys!

[@Roninx1980]

Why does the energy increase at 400 yards so drastically on the. .270 wsm? Error in your algorithm?

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I made a mistake. It should have been 2127 ft.lbs

[@Roninx1980]

@ I figured. Still a fan of the .270 WSM. Wish it was more available. Great round, especially with a fast twist barrel.

[@Saberlus]

I'm getting a Weatherby 307 builders action either today or tomorrow if you're interested in doing an unboxing and first impressions on it before I open it :)

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Are you local to me?

[@Saberlus]

@ yes

[@Saberlus]

@ my folks are from Coalville, but we live in SLC now

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

@@Saberlus My family all moved to Coalville 5 years ago

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

@@Saberlus Sending me a message on Instagram.

[@christianw.4884]

Was sagst du zur 7-6.5 prcw? Die Geschosse haben ja einige vorteile?

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

F-Class shooters love the 7-6.5 PRCW.

[@christianw.4884]

Meinst du für die Jagd wäre das auch Interessant? Der Lauf hält ja viel länger und schwere Geschossen bringen hier auch viele vorteile?

[@wrecker4267]

Compare a 6.5x300 wetherby vs a 30-378 wetherby

[@brandondavis5249]

270WSM = 270 Weatherby, am I wrong?

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

270 Weatherby is a little faster

[@brandondavis5249]

​​@@ReloadingWeatherbyI mention on another video that I have some 300gr Accubonds at a pawn shop by mistake. I have no need for them. Do you want to play around with them? I will send them down to you.

[@jamieyarbrough5229]

What hand book is that

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Hornady Reloading Manual

[@jtrguitar6294]

You put a fast twist barrel on the .270 wsm, it beats the 6.8western, 6.5prc, and the 7prc.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for watching

[@nickb8618]

I think I commented on one of your past videos on the 6.5 prc vs the 270 wsm. I vote 100 out of 100 times for the 270wsm with the Nosler accubond lr 150 over the 6.5prc. All things even the 270wsm beats the prc

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for watching and giving the suggestion.

[@deanroome5420]

While you're at it, compare the 6.5 Weatherby rpm to all of the above also....

[@tonymills7883]

I love my 270wsm if I wanted a PRC I would get the 7

[@eduardoolaechea]

As a hunting cartridge outperforms the 6.5 PRC in numbers. In the practice both are basically the same.

[@phild9813]

It goes without saying that Hornady is biased against the WSM. Realistically, the 6.5 PRC is comparable to the 270win, NOT the WSM. The WSM is definitely hotter.

[@brianevans3751]

I have 3 270 wsm they all shoot under 1 moa. Getting 3200 to 3250 with 140 grain.

[@Paul-q3m7k]

Hornady is full of it

[@h.a.4286]

I have something European for you. Compare 7x75 SE v. H. vs 7 PRC or 5,6x61 SE v. H. vs 22-250

[@markknox182]

GRT ?

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Gordon's Reloading Tool. It's free to download and use

[@texpatriot8462]

I submit that 95% of hunters will find themselves in a situation where a 270 Winchester isn't the better option. I have both (for now) so I am not biased. My Tikka 24" 6.5 PRC velocities were much lower than I expected. I discovered it really needs a medium action to shine.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

What velocities are you getting?

[@rosswitte]

Why would action make a difference?

[@robertmajors1737]

You know you can make your tikka a long action for a few dollars and about 5 minutes of work right? Also, Tikka barrels are notoriously slow as a rule. I have a Tikka 270 wsm, and I'm getting exactly box velocity with 140tsx. Im getting ready to start load development with the 129lrx, hoping to see around 3300fps with it.

[@robertmajors1737]

​@@rosswitteSo you can seat bullets out further to maximize powder capacity

[@texpatriot8462]

@ people are using medium and long actions to allow the bullet to be seated further out and allowing more powder capacity. I think they are using longer 150+g bullets.

[@lisaannaallen6283]

of corse the 270 wsm is slow in the hornady book. ever look at a nosler book I E 28 nos. vs 7stw

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Nosler is just as guilty

[@justinkolander4526]

Or just combine the two for a superior cartridge - 6.5 WSM

[@HappyMountainLake-ug8bl]

6mm Remington vs 6mm creedmoor old vs new

[@lorenweatherby6520]

Here are my real world results with my 270 wsm , Berger 170 gr Elite Hunter Rl 26 from 26" Bartlien barrel 1-8 twist Velocity 3190 fps Lab Radar 500 yards Velocity 2646 fps Energy 2644 ft-lbs Drop -32.56" 1000 yards Velocity 2156 fps Energy 1754 ft-lbs Drop -189.20" In my humble opinion its hard to beat the performance of the 270 wsm.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

That's impressive

[@terrycalvert7812]

The more you dive into all these different cartridges you find that unless you go crazy over bore speed demon or super slow flat nose old time 30-30 type rounds there isn’t that much difference in them!! Take say 243 and run all the way through the reloading guide excluding the ultra mags nosler cartridges and a cpl of the weatherby cartridges there isn’t more than a cpl inches difference in the drop and drift from big to small!! You gain energy but not that much on drop!! People get so wrapped up in big BC numbers but shoot a 6.5 creedmoor at 2700 fps thinking they have something special when almost every round in the reloading guide will smoke it or run right on its ass out to 500 yards!! At the ranges that 90% of people should be shooting game it don’t make enough difference to worry about the bc of there crappy eldx bullet or the speed they can push! Pick a rifle that has enough energy to handle the game your hunting pick a good bullet and go hunting and stop worrying about all the other BS!! They can only make a cartridge shoot so fast or be so efficient and they haven’t made any real advancements with these new cartridges in the last 10 years like everyone thinks!! Do people not think that we haven’t had rifles made with fast twist barrels in 270 30-06 300 win and so on for as long as people have been building custom rifles!! Do people really think that we didn’t know 30 years ago that a heavier bullet carried better than the lighter ones!! Just because they didn’t make factory rifles with these twist to shoot those bullets did not mean they weren’t around!! They have suckered this crowd of people that think there getting something that wasn’t available until it was on the shelf at Cabelas or the local gun shop but they have always been available if you were smart enough to know how to get ahold of one!!

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Good comment

[@robertoaragon1506]

👍

[@ajdube9967]

Huh, funny the 6.5 PRC pushing a 156 Berger, a bullet that's actually popular for this cartridge actually crushes the 270 at a thousand. 😂 1919 fps and 1276 for energy. A mil for wind hold.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

"Crushes" The data I provided is at sea level. Your data is not at sea level.

[@vanesagiselamartinez]

Cada vez me doy más cuenta de que con mi 223 y mi 270 lo cubro todo. Has visto una bala de 140 6.5 al lado de una bala de 150 270, son tan idénticas que las confundes, todo ese análisis para descubrir que el viento y la gravedad no usan micrómetros, los resultados se pueden medir a 500 yardas o 1000, cualquiera puede tener un Winchester 270 y un 7 Rem Magnum, rifles y estuches de latón por todas partes

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

You're not wrong. Not a lot of difference.

[@thomasdaum1927]

Please compare the 80 year old 300 WBY to the New 300 PRC , just for fun !……. You know what I mean ……….

[@bobmcmillen4502]

You have another troll besides me😂????

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I have many trolls and haters

[@RON-m8c]

AUSTIN, YOUR ENERGY VALUE AT 400 YARDS FOR THE 270 WSM IS A TYPO - YOU HAVE 3,127 FT LBS! 🤦‍♂️

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Read the pinned comment

[@RON-m8c]

@ReloadingWeatherby Yep... 😂

[@RON-m8c]

AT LEAST YOU KNOW I AM PAYING ATTENTION! 👨‍🏫

[@jameswilson5562]

I want a 270 wsm have a 6.5 prc but hadn't gotten to kill with it because I like the 6.5 300 the king of 6.5

[@zachgilpin3504]

Just tired of Hornady being so biased towards.277

[@debi5292]

Both will be gone in a decade or two. Hornady doesn't make the rifles but they sure are cluttering up the landscape with what should be wildcats. The result will be rifles with no ammo. Neither of these will make the cut. Accuracy is nothing new. In 1955 a 250 savage in a walnut stock with a barrel mounted Unertl shot a 5 shot group for the world record bench rest of .1057" Anyone who tells you a rifle cartridge is super accurate is blowing smoke up your ass hoping to sell you a new rifle you will not find ammo for 20 years from now. The old stand byes will still be around because there is 10Xor more rifles that have to be fed and they will end up being the winners as it has always been. Marketing gimmicks of selling gullible Millennials will never sell enough for viability. Heck, it took Remington 40 years to legitimize the 22/250 as a factory load. BTW the 22/250 set the world record in 1955 with a 5 shot group of .3896" Beat those apples today with Hornady's madness of a Cartridge of the month club for Millennials. For those who buy into the marketer's hype will find it doesn't end well at all.

[@curtiscrystalnelson7034]

Yeah, Hornady is full of shit most of the time. They want to pad and beef up the specs on the cartridges they created, and downplay the cartridges that actually beat theirs

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Hornady isn't the only one.