6.5 Rem. Mag vs 6.5mm Cartridges

[@tedgonzol2457]

Ron is one of those guys you could drive across country with and hope he never gets tired..He has a way of giving information where you just do not get enough…. More Ron, keep it coming, I am a sponge

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Ted, I'll call you before my next 800 mile drive! Thanks partner.

[@MrJtin69]

@@RonSpomerOutdoors my goodness id consider that a true honor to talk to ron that long

[@philipfreeman72]

The Swed is hard to beat .

[@jacobperryman2879]

I won an .264 mag Rocky Mountain limited edition in 2013. Absolutely love it and I am also amazed when my friend brag their 6.5 cred will out shoot it. lol … hand load the 264 mag and it’s unbelievable!!

[@Blair338RUM]

Absolutely smokes them. 👍

[@TommyboyGTP]

I think a 6.5 Rem Mag would be great to have for a collection

[@RagingOatmeal]

This is so close to a 6.5swede coming. I can feel it.

[@Iceaxehikes]

I work at a mountain lodge. Occasionally we get hunters; real hunters. They are just like Ron and equally interesting to listen to.

[@jonrolfson1686]

Way back in 1967 a Remington 600 was displayed as the big buck prize, announced in assembly at my Utah high school. I don’t remember how that the rifle was chambered, possibly 6.5 mm or .350 Rem. Needless to say, I didn’t win the prize, but the memory of the announcement and the display of the rifle in the school’s trophy case is a reminder of a better era

[@stevennewman4778]

When I was in high school in the mid 90’s in KY the shop teacher would brings his rifles and shotguns (depending upon what was in season) to class and clean them. Nobody thought bad about it because half the student trucks in the parking lot had firearms as well from kids going hunting before school.

[@ryanehlis426]

@@stevennewman4778 I remember shot guns in pickups in the school parking lot in the fall, Williston ND. As soon as school was out some kids would go straight out and hunt pheasants for a few hours before the sun went down. That was about 1991

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

We refinished gun stocks in high school shop. If you planned your courses right and got last period Study Hall, you could check out to work on your shop project, grab your gun, sneak out the back door and hunt pheasants and jackrabbits. Thank you, Mr. Strombeck, for turning a blind eye!

[@rowdybroomstick1216]

@@RonSpomerOutdoors what an awesome deal! When I was growing up I had a shotgun and rifle and a four wheel drive 😂 Seriously though my back glass of my 84 square body chevy always had a gun and no one ever said a thing! Those we're good day's 🇺🇲

[@Mark-uq9km]

All the replies to your comment reflect the fact that our morals are at an all time low. We don't have a gun problem in this country. We have a serious people problem and that includes most politicians.

[@jdg5682]

How about a video exploring the true potential of a 6.5x55 in a modern chambered rifle seeing as they are loaded down to suite old rifles

[@highplainsdrifter9631]

I think Norma loads the Swede hot, and Nosler too. But I agree, I'd love to see something like a new Sako rifle tested in 6.5x55 Swede to really push it to its true potential.

[@terrymattson3587]

The 6.5 Norma is a really good round. I love it. Not a finicky round to reload.

[@Iceaxehikes]

It's amazing that the abrasion of burning powder can erode barrels. Watched a Gunblue490 video where he talked; from a gunsmiths perspective, on barrel lifespan. Very cool stuff.

[@KeithPatterson369D]

I have been shooting and reloading 6.5 Rem Mag and 350 Rem Mag for years! They are my favorite rounds! Awesome brush guns! Great video thanks!

[@kevinberdine]

Great info as usual. I'm heading to Patreon now. Thanks Ron!

[@ronbyers9912]

I Still think the 6.5x55 is the best all around cartridge in the 6.5 family. Maybe the 260 Rem is its best competitor.

[@patrickgrolemund545]

Ron is the hunting and gun expert we would all love to personally know. Love your stories Ron and your in depth discussion. You are a treasure.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Many thanks, Patrick.

[@andyfloyd1590]

i have always been a fan of the 6.5s back in the late 60s in my teen years i would study every ballistic chart i could get my hands on

[@andyeighttre]

The 6.5 and 350 Rem Mags are 2 cartridges that should have been way more successful and are due for a revival that’ll unfortunately never happen. Out of 24 inch tubes they are extremely efficient.

[@blackie1of4]

My only experience with the 6.5 Remington Mag was with the 673 guide gun that came out in 2004. First three shots... I could cover with a dime. That was with Remington 120 grain factory ammo. No recoil not really loud either... but the rifle was 7 and 1/2 pounds with a heavy contour 22 inch barrel. The only issue was the ammo dried up due to no one buying the rifles. Which in my opinion were beautiful ❤️ I already had a 350 Remington Mag in the Remington 700 classic. Which was another beautiful rifle. Shot moa with Remington factory 200 grain ammo. I did have a friend reload me 225 grain nosler partitions for it. After I bought the dies bullets and powder. These two were eventually sold off due to separation/divorce. Which is a common thing. I figured I'll replace them one day... doesn't happen! I ended up with a 358 Winchester and a 7mm-08 Remington nowadays... and I'm quite pleased 😄 Still miss those Remington's though

[@MrPh30]

A friend had a duo of Ruger rifles in 6,5 and .350 Rm some years, quite handy forrest rifles they were .

[@johnnysaechao6218]

Love my 6.5 prc, shoot awesome and very accurate..

[@jasonrussell8969]

I’m a big fan of the 6.5 PRC! It’s great for low recoil and plenty of speed

[@arthurshingler2025]

Those short barreled rigles REALLY barks! Can't beat the handyness of the short actions. 308 and the 260.... kinda left it in the dust. (Along with the 264) The 6.5-284 also helped replace it too!

[@PhiLeo7973]

Dear Ron, More important,imo,than the interior,external,or terminal ballistics of the myriad cartridges responsible firearm aficionados enjoy debating, is your persona. You are the consummate gentleman,of deep pragmatic wisdom in hunting and ballistics. Your warm,humble personality is all wrapped up in a love of learning ,teaching,and sharing. You have so much to be proud of. I have read your words since perhaps decades ago,many times,in countless firearms periodicals,possibly your article about Melvin Forbes's ULA short action custom .284 Winchester on a backpack hunt the first time. You really need a TV/Outdoor show. I am a retired LEO of over 25 years service. Grew up reading Cooper,Keith,O'Connor,Ayoob,Skeeter Skelton,Askins, Seyfried,and all the fine writers from the American Rifleman,OutdoorLife,Field& Stream,Sports Afield,Guns& Ammo,etc. Carmichael,Warren Page,Bill Jordan...all of em, including you Ron Spomer. There are few men I'd rather have a cold beer or single malt scotch/Bourbon with than you. Take a bow. Someday I hope to shake your hand. God Bless you,the Mrs,and Covey too. Give her a scratch behind the ears for me partner. The Setter of course.😁Happy Trails,Ron,phil p.s. Any KZbinr reading my words enjoys Ron's work as much as me,head on over to his website ronspomeroutdoorsDOTcom. I just finished enjoying his articles on the labor of love it is in raising his fur baby Covey. Spomer,you are a wordsmith.Cheers.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Sorry Phil. I scratched Betsy behind the ear before I read your qualifier! Regardless, many thanks for your kind, kind compliments. You have lumped me with some mighty fine men, so I'd better behave and try to live up to the high standards they set. I hope we can share that drink together some day! Meanwhile, thanks for your LEO service. And enjoy your retirement!

[@PhiLeo7973]

@@RonSpomerOutdoorsLOL, Ron, honestly, your smile and humble knowledge shines through all of your presentations. I know how much hard work it is,with all of life's responsibilities, to create such compelling,informative,and knowledgeable content. It is appreciated. I have mostly hunted since a teenager, the millions of beautiful acres comprising the Adirondack & Catskill mountains of NYS. I have come to appreciate the maneuverability of a short barreled,short action,accurate,light weight ,bolt action rifle (or Savage 99-lever etc)in the dense,deep ,mountainous,timber of the Northeast. There is much to be said for an accurate, light weight,short barreled bolt action(or lever) in ,308 Win,7mm-08 Rem,.284 Win.6.5 CM,260 Rem,maybe 45/70 in Brown Bear country,etc. Most shots at game I trust,are statistically well under 300 yards,imo,even possibly at west, despite some Hunters maybe with Walter Mitty ,Carlos Hathcock aspirations. It is my position,that the velocity lost by attenuated barrel length at real world distances,is well within acceptable energy/drop parameters, and much is to be gained in affording rapid presentation and comfort in negotiating the limiting confines of deep woods or vehicular constraints where legal. Winddrift at long ranges,makes even the most competent hunter,with the finest in a rifle/cartridge/ platform/scope/practice/cartridge,replete with outstanding BC,etc, enter into a realm of problematic hunting ethics. I feel ethically, no matter the competence of the hunter/marksman,personally,I feel a quarter of mile-440 yards,is a good limit for responsibly shooting at and harvesting game with a suitable caliber and appropriate sight in and Field type practice if one can reliably hit a designated game specific target size at said range. ID Engineer Mike at the fledgling HUNT SIMPLE KZbin channel seems to agree and other responsible hunters. Like you and I Ron, he uses vast personal empirical hunting experience, awareness of personal confirmation bias/the Scientific Method,and limited data points in arriving at a still,open mind position,on caliber,cartridge,barrel length,load,etc. Good men can disagree in an enjoyable forum of civil discourse searching for truth. Kindly send my best to Betsy. It makes me smile that you have found each other for eternity. Tell Covey she is a good girl for me. I have seen much in my life, but when I see a hardened Green Beret start to cry in a History documentary relating how his WarDog K9 grabbed him by his combat harness to drag him out of withering enemy machine gun fire,it tests the limits of my composure. I believe dogs have souls. I highly recommend PhD Alexandra Horowitz's NY Times Best Seller: INSIDE OF A DOG; What Dogs See,Smell,and Know. I look forward to all upcoming Ron Spomer Outdoor KZbin videos. Continue to shine & smile Supernova style. Forgive my verbosity. You really inspire. All the best,Happy Trails,phil

[@bruceholinight7978]

I'm 68 and the 6.5 Remove Remington Magnum was my first rifle I had the Model 660 with barrel rib 20" ! The 6.5 will do anything the Creedmore will do and then some ! I have the 350 too , my ears have been ringing ever since ! Remington 6.5 was extremely under rated , I shot everything you can shoot here in Saskatchewan ! The model 600 and the Remington 788 both killer and still in my stable ! Try and buy one at a gun show !

[@maxmccain8950]

That was about the time I started using hear protection. What?

[@bruceholinight7978]

@@maxmccain8950 Hearing protection was not a high priority in the sixties , anyone who shot a lot has a damaged left ear ..... nobody wore ear protection while hunting in the 60s and if your ear isn't ringing from time to time then you never went hunting much ! I spent 4 months solid in the field every year since I started guiding in the late 70s !

[@joshjamesguitar]

Well for someone who shoots a lot the 6.5 rem mag is a terrible idea. you'll be replacing barrels all the time. And considering the type of rifles the 6.5 mag is meant for and the twist rate. the creedmoor is more suited for long range shooting. Unless you go custom rifle then yes the 6.5 Rem mag will out perform it.

[@bruceholinight7978]

@@joshjamesguitar Ya , I won't be replacing anything , at 68 and had cancer for 9 year's all that's behind me , but no you are wrong I used it for 40 year's and the barrel is perfect still shoots moa with the right recipe , same on my 350 mag . Old wives tail unless you're loading too hot ! I'm not guessing I did it and owned almost every caliber even the Mohawk 600 !

[@charliedrake2999]

I've been hunting with a .260 rem since I was 14 I'm 33 now and it will be on the woods with me this season love that little gun it's in a model 7 with a short barrel but perfect for south Arkansas saw bottoms

[@maxmccain8950]

Great caliber lad.

[@zechnarwilliams8019]

Yes that is a great caliber, with a longer barrel it will reach out there with the best of them and very accurate.

[@rickeycooley9139]

Charlie, I also have the model 7 in 260 rem. That’s an awesome caliber. I’ve had it since 2001. Three years ago I got the same gun in 308, two great guns. Flip a coin as which I’ll hunt this season, probably both.

[@charliedrake2999]

Yea my wife has killed a few deer with it and my oldest daughter will use I this year as well she killed her first deer last year with her 243 but I'm bombing her up to the 260 and letting my youngest daughter use the 243

[@flintrichards945]

I remember when those cartridges came out in those little carbines I wanted them so bad but I was too young but I finally got a .350 REM Mag. It is a good cartridge.

[@hairy1harry1]

You aren't telling me anything I don't already know . Considering I 'm a know-it-all expert , you're in good company . I'm 73 and I've been there , done that . I'm tired of these people repeating the media hype . Keep it up . You're a smart guy .

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks Hairy. I hope I'm half as smart as some think I am.

[@nickfleenor1009]

I did buy 5 boxes of recent production corelokd in 6.5 rem mag so I believe it’s one of the seasonal runs

[@shanevonharten3100]

6.5x55 sweed with modern projectiles, powder and appropriate twist rates will do everything the rest on the table will do. Meaning everything else is just a sales pitch but that goes for 90% of cartridges available

[@skigdividerx4991]

So true!

[@borkwoof696]

And the 6.5CM will do it in a shorter action with more support in the US.

[@shanevonharten3100]

@@borkwoof696 . Since it was designed specifically for the US AR platform i would say you are correct, but for the rest of the world it is as previously stated

[@borkwoof696]

@@shanevonharten3100 I agree, although the CM seems to be gaining steam in Europe as well

[@shanevonharten3100]

@@borkwoof696 . It's definitely popular

[@drubradley8821]

I am really enjoying the predictable 6.5 PRC round.. raw parts are still a little hard to come by, so, place your orders ahead of time, before you need the raw materials, but other then that.. the cost of the raw building materials, mainly the projectiles, which are actually not to hard to come by, the precision factor is pretty mind blowing.. My pursuit of PRS, I am glad I went this route with the 6.5 PRC. .. Never mind how grumpy I get looking at the shelves, and can always see 6.5 weatherby brass, which I don't need..lol.. But, as we speak, there are a total of 5 brass stampers now making 6.5 PRC brass.. and we are all just waiting for the delivery dates to be fulfilled.. Most of those manufactures, on their websites, have an email "notify me" sign up.. so jump on that to get your supply up to par for your needs.. Good luck. be safe

[@lylewalters909]

Great information.. been a huge fan of the 244 for a while now but most people automatically think I'm talking about a 243. Nope lol I have a 244 and I'm the 2nd owner of this gorgeous custom rifle. It was built to shoot 95gr bullets n oh it does it extremely well. I never jumped on the 6.5cm train but the PRC caught my eye n thats probably going to be my next rifle. I will leave the creedmoor for my wife lol.

[@arthurshingler2025]

Ive own a few! Its "new" replacement is the 6.5 RRC. I really like that cartridge. Its just hard to find brass for it.... Dave Clark Five, huh? We're dating ourselves! But I still got my "Kicks" !!

[@robertodebeers2551]

Great review of the 6.5s. Thanks, Ron.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks Robert.

[@kevinwilliams8784]

Had a custom build 6.5rem mag.Built on an FN M98 action,Canjar set trigger, French walnut stock 24 inch Douglas barrel.Great underrated cartridge

[@vernonlarson7016]

Hi Ron. All everyone needs to do is shoulder size and bump the shoulder down 2 to 3 thousands on the magnums with a belt and they will notice that there isnt anything wrong with a belted cartridge. I do it to my 264 win mag and all my belted magnum rifles. I do get alot better feeding and accurate rifle. Thanks Ron.

[@blackie1of4]

Great video Ron 😀 I loved the 350 Remington Mag and the 6.5 Remington Mag ❤️

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Appreciate that, Mark.

[@jameswichman1996]

The .270 Win. and the .338 Win Mag (both using Nosler partition bullets) are all I need for any North American continent game. (the 150 grain bullet for the .270 and the 225 grain bullet for the .338 Win Mag).

[@philcrewse9828]

Ron is reloading components still available for 6.5 rem mag ballistics are awesome

[@benge3x]

The old Remington with the dog leg bolt was great, too bad the creed family wasn’t around then. For me I’m pretty much all xp100. Have a 284 and a 6.5-284. And I kept the old dogleg bolt. Great in 16” pistol.

[@LanceHanlonOutdoors]

I have both the 350 Rem Mag and the 6.5 Rem Mag in the Model 600 rifles... Both are great guns and I feel that they don't have that bad of muzzle blast on them. But I'm used to shooting heavy recoiling rifles anyway. Both are fantastic and I feel if either Ruger or Winchester made one in either cartridge I think people might go for it today.

[@longbow6245]

I have a 6.5 Rem. Mag in a short action with a 24" barrel, and another built on a long action with a 28".

[@ThePNWRiderWA]

Many years ago I had one made up with a 24” barrel. It’s was a very flat shooter. The issue I had with it was not much of a bullet selection compared to other bullet calibers. The 220 swift was a favorite back in the day for rock chucks. What I think the major issue was not the 6.5 or the 350 rounds but the 600/660 carbines. They had a major recall a few years after release of the firing pin releasing without a trigger pull or the action locked. I had it happen on a 660 Remington 350. I was closing the bolt and i went off. The bolt was barely locked. I contacted Remington and they had me send the carbine to them. I think I was one of the first to report the issue.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Rem. has had more than one trigger issue in it's bolt actions.

[@hillbillyscholar8126]

5:14 The rifle was the Model 673 Guide Gun. It used a standard Model 700 short action and the rib on the 22 inch barrel was made of blued steel. It was (is) quite hefty, but it is a sweet handling thumper in .350 Remington Magnum! I agree with Ron that 6.5 was a good idea but poorly executed from the start. I guess that can happen with anything that is ahead of it's time. Thanks for another blast from the past Ron!

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

My pleasure, Hillbilly. Thanks for the additional info.

[@filledandfreeme]

Remington made a limited number of BDLs in both 350 rem mag and 6.5 rem mag. Unfortunately it was too late to keep them in production. The Blue Book says there were a little over 1500 made. I would imagine out of that number, the most made in 6.5 rem mag. There are probably a lot fewer BDLs in that caliber due to people rebarreling the rifles to something more popular after ammo became hard to find. I have a BDL and love it! I dont reload for it and most of the Remington ammo that you can find are 120 gr due to the overall length with anything heavier vs the length of the short action in the BDL.

[@michaelmartino5100]

Great video on a really interesting caliber and the Remington firearms!! I might me incorrect, but I have read that the Remington 600 and 660's were introduced to use left over receivers and bolts from the previous XP-100 Remington bolt action handguns introduced for the silhouette shooter. I have a model 600 in .243 Win. Just the perfect rifle for medium size deer! They were only $99 in the early 70's, with the magnums (6.5 & .350) priced at $149! The prices are way up there now and have a cult like following today. They were lightweight guns well ahead of their time..!👍

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

I remember a small gun shop in Pierre, SD, selling out the last of the M660s in 1978 or 79 for about $140. I was tempted, but just couldn't talk myself into that short barrel. Would like a do-over.

[@bradylangley113]

i have a rem 660 in 308 really love that gun and its quite accurate still despite being made in the 1960's with who knows how many rounds thru the original barrel. The 600 had the 18.5 inch pencil barrel the 660 had a 20 inch barrel that has heavier profiled then later they made the 600 mohawk that had a 20 inch barrel but went back to the pencil thin profile.

[@bradylangley113]

i also had a 600 in 243 but never really shot it much so traded it for a 700 in 7 rem mag lol only the original 600's had the plastic rib on the barrel the other models didnt

[@jimeddpelham5244]

LOVE MY 6.5 GRENDEL AR 15.

[@craigleibbrand7761]

I had both the 6.5 and the 350 love them both but I like muzzle blast and they had it.

[@robwatumd]

Love the content Ron!! Can you do some longer format videos with in depth comparisons in the 30-60 minute range?

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Longer? My team (all both of them) is always nagging me to go shorter.

[@phild9813]

Could go to a podcast format for longer discussions. I have a couple that I listen to that are 4-5 hours.

[@beardedrancher]

The 6.5 rem mag and the 350 rem mag are awesome

[@north61]

26 caribou and counting with one shot each with my 660 in 6.5 Rem Mag. It's magic.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Wow north61! Great one-shot string you've got going. You must be both a good and careful shot. Congrats and keep up the good work.

[@north61]

@@RonSpomerOutdoors Once I was at about 5 I started taking my time and picking my shot. About 6 years ago I started getting so nervous about wrecking my string I switched to different calibers. OCD can be a terrible thing!

[@17quarters48]

Hi Ron I have the 6.5 Rem Mag in a mauser 98, I took a throat reamer and moved the riffling forward so I could seat the bullets out a bit and with a pinch of RL25 it shoots really nice

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Sounds like you built it right, 17.

[@johncoleman2495]

I love those "goofy looking rifles"! I own Remington 600/660's in .222, .243, 6mm rem, 2-.308 and I have another .243 in really rough shape that I want to rebore to .358 Winchester. I owned a .350 mag I bought around 89-90 like new for $250. I shot it a bit when I first got it but even then ammo wasn't common and that thing was brutal to shoot just for fun. I sold it in the early 2000's for $1350 and still kick myself today. I would love to someday own one in 6.5! These things are light, accurate and as handy a rifle as I've ever shot! I even like the dogleg bolt handle and the aesthetics of these rifles! I hope to someday build one in .338 federal as well as .260 remand 7mm-08. The 6mm has been my go to and truck gun as long as I can remember. It outpaces the .243, shoots 1"@ 100yds with several loads and has done everything I've ever asked of it.

[@fuddrucker74]

I still shoot the .264 win mag. In a pre 64 model 70 They don't truly come into their own until you hand load. "Dead flat" for 400 yds and as accurate as anything I have. With a 130 grn. pill it puts all of its energy into what you've shot. White tail, move 3'. Straight down.

[@pnwtundra07]

I have a 600 with the 18.5" barrel it will make your ears ring for hours I used to use it for deer hunting here on the oregon coast was fine for how brushy it is here

[@bobkat1663]

Great show.

[@SuperJeanq]

Ron Im a huge fan. Can listen to you talk for days. I learn so much. Please give me your opinion and comparison on the 260rem vs other 6.5s. Greetings from Australia

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Try this video, Jean. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jHOppYFqn7SXjKs. Cheers!

[@badmedicine4352]

I'd like to see you compare the old war horse .264 Winchester magnum vs some of the new magic 6.5 rifles because if I'm not mistaken the 264 win magnum will do everything the creedmoor will but only way faster

[@bobbygreen2291]

I’ve never seen any of those short barrel 6.5 Remington magnums ,,,all I ever saw was the Remington 700 BDL with 24 inch barrels

[@kyles4560]

Simply great informative videos Ron. Thank you!

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Very welcome

[@johnkaraphillis754]

Great video Ron! Very educational and interesting. Going back to my youth and the beginning of my love for the outdoors, hunting, shooting, and love for cartridges/ballistics. Thanks Ron!

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thank you John. Glad you enjoyed it.

[@bustabass9025]

My favorite 6.5 mm caliber is the 6.5-284 Norma. This is a laser of a round. But then, I also have it in Creedmo', Grendel, and Wby RPM. I use them all differently; AR platforms for the Grendel and Creedmo', hunting rifles in the Norma and Wby. Handloads really shine in anything flavored in 6.5!

[@guymuto4054]

Perhaps the most inherently accurate - ?

[@bustabass9025]

@@guymuto4054 Certainly from my experience it is.

[@johnknouse8846]

I resisted the 6.5 as long as I could. I recently got a 6.5 creedmoor, and I really like it. Still prefer my .270 or 30.06, but I’m looking forward to smoking some pigs with that creedmoor when I get a chance!

[@DARKSIDEXIII]

Have a M 600 mag carbine and a 350 mag carbine great rifles!

[@stevesparks2001]

Hunted in the mid 70s with a model 600 in 6.5 rem mag! Kennedy was killed with a 6.5 Carcano

[@tplyons5459]

I had a 6,5RM built on a 1924 Mauser in 1970. The barrel is now shot and when all this Covid stuff is over its going to be barrelled to the 350RM

[@17quarters48]

The 1924 would have been pre case hardened, the softer steel wasn't rated for as high of pressure, be careful loading for it

[@tplyons5459]

@@17quarters48 The Mauser was the 1924 Radam made in Poland. Full loads are not the accurate ones in general plus the short neck means the bullet is seated far into the case which further reduces the amount of powder. Thecase capacity tests I made back in 1970 show it is basically a 6.5-06 and the 350RM is a 35 Wheelen.

[@zechnarwilliams8019]

excellent as always sir, keep it up!

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks, will do!

[@kymopar]

agree 100%

[@steveshoemaker6347]

Excellent....Thanks you young man.....!

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Glad you enjoyed it, Steve! And thanks for pretending I'm young!

[@steveshoemaker6347]

@@RonSpomerOutdoors You sir are young compaired to me....l am in my late 80's lol still going so far..Thanks

[@zanewood7117]

Remington came our with a lot of great cartridges. 6.5 mag 6mm 280 but there marketing and choice of rifles they came out in realy put them behind . Oh yeah forgot the 260.

[@bustersmith5569]

Thanks again Ron,,,,,,,,, another great video 👍👍👍

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@crabwalkarms7347]

I have found at least 1 unopened box in my favorite Gun store in MS. Its at least from the 70s or 60s.

[@camwinston5248]

Hmmmm....i gotta ask where...? Greetings from T-u.p.e.l.o.

[@crabwalkarms7347]

@@camwinston5248 berry's trading post

[@camwinston5248]

@@crabwalkarms7347 ten four..appreciate the info..like looking for some of the obscure stuff.

[@crabwalkarms7347]

Need a video on the 300 RCM

[@magnumcipher4971]

Thank you Ron, for bestowing your vast wealth of knowledge upon us mere mortals, and for free no less! Ha. Thanks man.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

My pleasure! I'm no so sure about the vast part though. More like narrow and specific, eh?

[@richikings76]

Great information!...its a shame .6.5 Rem Mag didnt make it

[@SWEmanque]

Ron: "The 6.5x55 Swede, that had been in the Norwegian country and in their country since about 1893 and is known from that" Me, a Swede: *Sad Swedish noises*

[@stevennewman4778]

There’s many of us hand loaders in America that love the 6.5x55 and give respect to the place it came from.

[@realblakrawb]

Does that sound like a collapsing ikea cabinet during assembly ?

[@TexanUSMC8089]

@@stevennewman4778 There's normally 6.5x55 on the ammo shelves where I live.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Sorry Swe. My brain couldn't come up with Scandinavia. Life is so challenging.

[@luvtahandload7692]

@@stevennewman4778 I love my 6.5 Swedeismore! It's an old Husky!

[@desertpointkennel]

Just shot a pig with one a few weeks ago. 120 gr. Barnes Ttsx. The same Remington 660, 6.5 RM, that i shot my first deer with in 1969.

[@NorthwoodsNomad]

I’m interested in this 6.5 PRC . Been looking real hard at the 6.5 / 284 Norma , but now this 6.5 PRC has caught my attention

[@blackie1of4]

If it's the modern 6.5 Remington Mag then it's a great cartridge. Everything I've read leads me to the PRC... even more so than the 6.8 western. However.. the older I get I question another firearm... but as you already know... there's always room for another :)

[@blackie1of4]

Also . Check into the 280AI... you could shoot booth 280 Remington and the 280 AI. It's pretty much ballistically the same as the PRC... long action though. However .. ammo will always be available due to the 30-06 and the 270

[@NorthwoodsNomad]

@@blackie1of4 I have a Winchester model 70 Featherweight chambered in .280 Remington . I am aware that the .280 AI chamber can accommodate both standard.280 Remington and the .280 AI . Although, realistically, a good hand loaded .280 Remington only falls behind the .280 AI by a mere 50 fps ( only 100 fps gain in the AI verses the standard factory.280 Remington load ) The short action 6.5 PRC just has an alluring appeal for some reason . Like you say , always room for another !

[@blackie1of4]

@@NorthwoodsNomad Nice! Always wanted a Winchester model 70 featherweight... I'm sure she's a beauty 😊 With all the recent rounds coming out I'd choose the PRC as well. I'm a short action fanatic though. My brother's looking for a new rifle for western hunting. I recommend the 6.5 PRC to him. Hopefully he gets one so I can try his out :)

[@NorthwoodsNomad]

@@blackie1of4 The Model 70 Featherweight is a sweet rifle ! Well balanced , quick handling , quality craftsmanship precision performance, the bolt action is buttery smooth ( controlled round feed ) It is said to be a better version of the ‘ pre 64 ‘ original model 70 rifles, I believe solely due to the better quality of materials and metallurgy , as well as way better triggers today than what was available in the 1960’s … nice Pachmayr Decelerator recoil pad too , just all around better materials and they use the same pre 64 actions that are so revered for their smooth and reliable functioning . I love the schnabel fore end and checkering on the pistol grip and fore end too . What is so unique about it is , the .280 Remington caliber in itself . It is proprietary to Remington, and thereby not a standard chambering in the Winchester line of rifle models . The last time Winchester ran a production run of .280 Remington rifles was back in the early 1960’s shortly after the cartridge was introduced. They were very limited in production, and the few that were available went out the door quickly. Now Winchester ran another production run of the .280 Remington chambered in this Model 70 Featherweight in 2015 . Again, a very limited production run as not many people express interest in the .280 Remington cartridge ( largely because they just don’t know the true characteristics and performance that it offers ) So , it is a rare rifle and will hold it’s value better than other common standard cartridge productions . My one and only concern was the twist ( 1 in 10 ) it should have been made with a 1 in 9 to handle the heavy 165-175 grain loads , but it does stabilize up to 165 grain no problems . I shoot nothing but 140 grain Corbon DPX solid copper (3,000 fps) , and the Federal 150 grain Nosler Partitions ( 2,890) fps) Both will handle anything including elk , moose , caribou and black bear . What more do I really need other than other flavors of cartridges to tickle my fancy ? “ The Rifleman’s Rifle “ If you’re looking to pick one up , there are still some available brand new in the box , chambered in .280 Remington, but only a few . The 6.5 PRC in this Model 70 Featherweight would be a nice package , nice little mountain rifle !

[@paulsoutbackgardenaustrali7674]

Building my 260rem hope be set up by Xmas.. 😊

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Have fun!

[@brentworls8509]

If I had a 6.5 Rem Mag, I'd not lose any sleep thinking about performance gains of the others. I do like the PRC tho... The Noslers are just wat too over the top, but the 28 Nosler, in my opinion, is about as good as it gets in that family.

[@randysmith664]

Missed the boat by not expounding on it's performance out of the 1969 Model 700 w/ 24" barrel.

[@guymuto4054]

Take a closer peek at the 6.5x284.

[@maxmccain8950]

My first big game (deer) gun was a 264 Win Mag. Loved that cartridge. I took a lot of deer, bear and elk with that gun. Great cartridge. Should have been more successful than it was.

[@nmelkhunter1]

I watched my dad shoot a 177” mulie buck at 350 yards across a canyon in Western Colorado with a 264 Win Mag. He was shooting a Winchester Model 70 and the 140 Partition that left the barrel a touch over 3000 FPS absolutely flattened that buck. Great cartridge!

[@adamelam6385]

The .284 Winchester should have been more popular too.

[@TexanUSMC8089]

I know people that still shoot the 264 win mag. There's normally factory ammo avail

[@maxmccain8950]

@@TexanUSMC8089 I hand load still for that gun and cartridge. Don’t hunt much anymore, too old,but still love to shoot. I’ve replaced the barrel and stock but it’s still a great gun.

[@LexLuthor1234]

6.5x57 Mauser is another of the old 6.5s. :)

[@FindersKeepers88]

6.5 PRC seems like it's a natural winner, it'll steal the 6.5 CM's thunder

[@viktormogilin307]

Speake no forke tongue, Hi from Aus, keep the fire goin', luvun' it, now the yung guy's are crunchin' number's in stats but I can't see any super physics, 🍻👍😎

[@sha6mm]

Another nice video Ron. I’m afraid in the early 1980’s I caught Magnum fever and sold a .270 Win Model 70 and picked up a .264 Win Mag in a Model 70 and I have yet to burn out its barrel hunting Big Game. Form the beginning I use Sierra 120gr and 140gr Gamekings while they worked I just wasn’t there yet then went to Nosler 120 SP then BT when it came out and hunted with it for Deer & Antelope and it was great most of the time. But when I went for Caribou and went to Nosler 130gr AB at just over 3200FPS and groups under .7 inch at 100 yards and a decent BC it’s flat shooting enough for Me. Where do I see the 6.5mm as Perfect for Caribou and Deer & Antelope, but to much for Coyotes.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Your assessment sounds pretty good to me. I wouldn't hesitate to use the 264 WM on elk and moose, either.

[@retirednavy8720]

I have 2 of the cartridges mentions: A Remington Model 700 Classic in 6.5x55 Swedish and a Mannlicher Schoenauer Model 1903 in 6.5x54MS. Love them both. They may not be as flashy as some of the othere mentioned but they are incredibly effective on game and toting the Mannlicher in the field can only be described as heaven on earth.

[@davidderoode7691]

Great video

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@tbjtbj4786]

I don't think it was a bad round. I think remington marketing was the big problem with it the 244,280,350,and 8mm rem. They were all good rifles but not introduced right.

[@TexanUSMC8089]

Remington really messed up a lot of cartridges. Winchester made the 270 and Remington made the 280. The 280 is actually a better cartridge, but remington messed it up by introducing it in the wrong rifle, again. The 264 Win Mag isn't dead though. Some people still shoot it and several companies make ammo for it. For shorter ranges the 6.5CM is great, and for longer ranges the 6.5PRC is great. I also shoot my 6.5-06 a lot. It's a great cartridge for mid size bullets, larger than the 25-06 and better bullet selection than the 270. 120-140gr bullet class.

[@robertezell1916]

Own one.

[@krazygoofadventures8031]

Ron, you said in '66 Winchester didn't have a short action. So is the .243 M70 my Dad bought in '56 a standard length action? He also bought a pair of Mohawks, one in .222 Rem and one in .243 Win. All us kids learned to shoot with the .222 and then all took deer and antelope with the .243. He cut one stock to fit tweens and kept the other full length.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Yes sir, Capt., that '56 M70 would have to be a standard length action. They plugged the back of the magazine with a half-inch or so long block. Sauer and others still do this with some rifles.

[@krazygoofadventures8031]

@@RonSpomerOutdoors thank you sir.

[@davidbartch8917]

Now we are swimming in the same pond, the 6.5 zoo Just like I commented a couple days ago too much to choose from.The marketing again is too much to choose from. It has to be supported by factory ammo and re -loaders get the scoop before they buy, so they pick the PRC or 284 case.Everybody else buys the creedmore . And that said we haven't covered half of it .The lack of informing people what has been developed for an AR platform goes unsaid or at least isn't said enough that people actually hear it.

[@davy1458]

Could you please tell me the make and model of the beige rifle sitting next to you?

[@Smokincreekadventures]

I prefer the 264 win mag but I’m sure if you know how to shoot it they all would work fine

[@garyvolk2467]

Thanks for the thanks for the information but can you give more information on the three 3:38 win mag please thank you.??

[@laszlovandor4770]

Minute 2: "Man licker" ????? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Love your dialect !!! Great video as usual, thank You !

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks! 😃 We Yanks pretty much all pronounce Mannlicher that way. Do you say Mon lischer? (I can't even spell the sound of the sch effectively.)

[@laszlovandor4770]

@@RonSpomerOutdoors yes, as a Hungarian, we are not considered intelligent without speaking German and/or English, so I pronounce it properly. Living in Commiefornia now, almost as bad as communist Hungary was when I left. Long live free America !

[@paulsoutbackgardenaustrali7674]

Is that an Akubra from Downunder you wearing Ron..🤔😎🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Nope. Outback Trading Company.

[@jeffreywilson690]

Mr ron did anyone wildcat 6'5 down to a 6 mm as far as the 6.5 remington magnum

[@DanielBoone337]

I don't hunt with ear pro so popping off a shot with this round out of an 18 inch barrel would kind of suck... LOL

[@surendrachaudhary6666]

Hi I like your all video please 308 vs 30 06 make one video who is the best Cartes

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

You can read details on which is best in this sarcastic blog I wrote: www.ronspomeroutdoors.com/blog/30-06-sucks-shoot-308-winchester. You can also find info on this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZWYaoObaMeWY8k