6 ARC vs 6.5 creed vs 6

The 6’s beat out the 6.5 for PRS style shooting

[@johnandrosemarywyatt977]

I would rather see a topic broken into part one, part two, etc. Ray's info is so concise, so efficient. No drama, no wife beater shirts, and thankfully no music. Many times, I will watch a segment two or three times just to get it digested.

[@rdm1000]

Ray - you don't have to apologize for longer vids. I'm going to speak for all and say - we want longer. More instruction, more tips, more great builds, more tacticam, more shooting. We want to cheer on Mini-X, and we want to hear you talk and shoot guns.

[@mcintoshdev]

Definitely! I have yet to figure out which platform I am going to build and I enjoy just hearing all the technical information and tips. The other thing I REALLY enjoy is the lack of blatant commercials for products. You allow the products from your Sponsors to speak for themselves.

[@technicalfanoftechtastisch3063]

Agreed 👍

[@dyonesios]

Politely disagree. Not that your videos aren't great - they are. But I typically come to a video for one key conclusion/thesis. Would rather have a few shorter videos that are more specific.

[@SbrGrendel65]

Love the longer video, can watch your stuff all day. To me if the ARC is close to the 6Cred I’d choose it. Mainly due to the barrel life unless $$ isn’t a issue for you then pick what ever is your poison.

[@sealsrx7252]

Show me all you want, 6 creedmoor, 6 ARC awesome cartridges. But I do not regret having my 6.5 creedmoor I don’t care if you don’t believed me but I usually don’t miss spotting my shots with 6.5 creedmoor. Seriously IMHO best round for me, but that’s me. Good shooting guys.

[@dallasweber7692]

Outstanding Coverage On This Specific Footage. Retired Chief Warrant Officer 4 Of 32 + Years. Army Ranger Sniper Before I Advanced To Tier 1 18 Delta For CAG. (The Right Man 1 & The WIND WIND WIND Then Your Spot On With If You Miss? You Have To See Your Splash Before The Correct Adjustment For That Pill For The Kill Hit. Incredible Information & Drills For Especially Advanced Competent Shooters. Human Size Silhouettes Are Because Average Mans Height Is 5’9 & 16-18 Across Shoulders So No Away Beginners Or Above Average Shooters Will Hit 6-10 In Plate Past 400 Yards. Not To Mention 1760/ 1 Mile & Some Change. Appreciate You Gentleman & Plz Keep It Coming.

[@davestein4162]

Great video gentlemen. Lots of pertinent information. Twenty thoroughly enjoyable minutes!

[@MrRebar15]

*X-RING* That was awesome, thanks fellas for taking the time to show us. God Bless.

[@ramsaycountry1177]

Those 6mms are taking over. I'm happy to see the 22crdm got a big shout out also.

[@bemyers123]

I’m trying to learn more about the 22 Creedmoor.

[@ramsaycountry1177]

@@bemyers123 I've built 2 of them. They both have shot great. But about 1k rounds on a barrel is about it. I have a video on my channel of shooting a long range steel match with one.

[@bemyers123]

@@ramsaycountry1177 thank you! I’ll check it out. I’m building one now off of a Rem700. I’m using Long Rifles Inc. I did a quick search on your videos. It’s #17. Thanks!

[@malcolmreynolds7122]

I appreciate all the effort that went into this video. Great info. and I do like the long format video

[@rb89509]

6mm ARC is the 6mm Grendel wildcat round. Hornady blatantly appropriated this round, renamed it at pretended they invented it.

[@barrygrant2907]

This is one of the better long-range videos I've watched. It brings me back to the late '70s-early '80s when my buddy and I shot rock chucks in eastern WA. He used a .243 Win and I used a .223, both in Rem 788s. I distinctly remember my .223 having an advantage as I could see the bullet hit and correct windage and elevation on the second shot to blow those rock chucks to pieces. My buddy had a much harder time seeing bullet hits and relied on my spotting to make corrections. I'm seriously looking at a 6mm ARC in a bolt action to take full advantage of the cartridge. The load data in the AR version does not impress me.

[@joaquin-jacknava2696]

Thanks for the extended video and great shooting gentlemen. That was a great run shooting different rifles.

[@gregcrain9735]

Great video. I love the longer videos and the tacticam.

[@maj.kamper9314]

I like the more in depth explanation videos. Keep them coming!

[@CBCapt]

Great information for me on caliber selection.

[@sjohnson1776]

It's only 'longer' if it's....boring. This was not. I liked the comparison and reasoning as to what and why. As a big shooter of 6.5 and .223 I get it. Thanks!

[@shibaspeed]

Looking forward to more coverage and your thoughts of the 6 ARC! Keep the long videos coming.

[@XRING]

Will do! Thanks Woodland

[@sanmiguel2197]

Damn it! I really want that, 6 ARC! Awesome review! Thanks for sharing.

[@arnievillacorta1294]

Thanks for extending your video, Excellent!

[@XRING]

My pleasure! Thanks for watching

[@spysweeper]

That was a great demonstration of the differences in recoil! I thought the 6 Creedmore looked better from the video...Thanks! I thought it was pretty cool!

[@talkingrock7011]

I also enjoy the longer videos , those are some heavy setups , that was a great day to shoot weather wise

[@45auto]

That is great information for those who have yet to choose a caliber or need a new barrel for PRS. Based on the information presented I think the 6 ARC is potentially the best choice. 1) Least felt recoil of the three making target splash the easiest to see. 2) Handloads not absolutely necessary and factory ammo readily available. 3) Twice the barrel life over the 6mm Creedmoor 4) Lastly, quieter than the others

[@Morpheen999]

I wouldn't Say factory ammo is readily available.. I can't get it here in Canada

[@45auto]

@@Morpheen999 I guess "Readily available" is a relative term in 2020. My point is that more than one manufacturer will make factory ammo.

[@TexasTrained]

@@Morpheen999 I cant either in TEXAS,.Been on Backorder 3 different ammo suppliers.I built a 6mm ARC 3 months ago and have not shot it hyet because Im waiting on ammo.And all Ive seen to order is Hornady Ammo..The Match in white & Red box and the Black BTHP

[@talkingrock7011]

The amount of rounds per barrel is impressive

[@killerfungis]

Why did you wait? The 6mm Grendel has been available for over a decade

[@RockinRack]

Would love to see 6br or dasher become mass produced by hornady. Haven't seen a lot on 6arc but i hope it holds up to benchrest standards cause that would be a game changer

[@bshadrick]

Great job to you three. I liked them all. You are not going to make me feel bad about starting out with my 6.5 creedmore. Just joking. Nice you have a dirt backstop or you would be screwed. Can't wait to set up the range at the farm. We found an alley of 1,700 yards so should be interesting.

[@dyoung1771]

Great info, awesome video guys.

[@lukeflaugher5334]

Awesome video Ray !! I enjoy the longer more informative videos

[@XRING]

Thanks Luke and thanks for watching.

[@nowornever2504]

The long the better if well structured. Good summary intro always helps.

[@troynichols9788]

Grt vid. 2 questions regarding either the 6mm or 6arc ... 1. In your opinion, if you moved to a semi auto platform would you have lost enough accuracy to have effected this drill @ 600 & 700 yds? 2. On a semi-auto platform would you have gained enough time to make the risk of lost accuracy, if any, worthwhile?

[@Ryder276]

IMPACT!! -cool video for a relaxing sunday

[@seeratlasdtyria4584]

Been shooting 6mm rem since 63-64 :) Can't remember exactly but for hunting western US. Glad to see the 6's of any stripe coming back in,, there were some very dry years along the way. That being said, from what I understand bout the ARC, you giving away a LOT of MV on a projectile of any size. Pretty impressive equipment on display here. I love and sympathize with the 'older' fella's comment, "There's a LOT going on in that scope"...LOL Don't think I'll trade in my old Rem 700 BDL just quite yet for one of those 21 lb behemoths..surprised you feel any recoil at all :) You're all having fun though, and after all, isn't that the whole point? :) Nice Vid

[@josecoyote6079]

WoW that’s so cool to really know the follow shots for the 6 arc

[@dragonusmc0311]

Good informative on the 6 ARC...

[@tonygslc801]

Nice Work guys! 👊😎🇺🇸 I love the Tactacam footage, it felt like I was behind the rifle myself. 👍

[@nonoytoledo2558]

talking much dosent make sens brother lock and load hit the damn target

[@ElfstersRiflesandReloading]

Awesome video!!!

[@rikoshea765]

Good video. Nice to see more of the 6mm Arc and the .223AI if possible. Thank you.

[@XRING]

Will do!

[@briancunningham3283]

Thank you for this side by side comparison. The 6mm arc is looking better and I can build a nice AR platform also.

[@pjhhermans]

That new chassis looks great, hopefully we get a chance over in the Netherlands to work with the 6 Arc

[@DinoNucci]

It's snake oil

[@hesa3656]

Thank You Sirs! This was a great comparison! Did I miss the agreed magnification? Never a Boring video here!👍

[@bradbeam7254]

Great, now I have to look at doing an ARC bolt gun. Great video; thanks!

[@DinoNucci]

Snake oil

[@or6060]

6 arc seems like the best choice. hit rate of 6 creed but range like 6.5. plus it fits in an ar15, imagine a 6 arc WWSD2020.

[@ROUNDMAN215]

Great video, recently found your channel and instantly subscribed. I’m curious what the comparative weights are between the rifles, I see all the externals on the XLR and that has to be a huge addition to spotting misses. I think proper recoil management and practicing spotting misses is key as well. I’m not trying to downplay your video or bust your balls but spotting a miss prone even with a .308 should be common place. Keep up the great work.

[@outdoorswithroostercurrie6984]

Awesome video Guys.

[@VA_Aggie]

Great vids, keep them coming. I like the idea of the 6mm ARC in a bolt gun. I may have missed it, what mags are you using? Do you have a BR style mag kit installed?

[@wilfredsalacup7810]

Great video, the longer the video the we learn

[@bigjoe-pm2ql]

Very good video brothers thanks for sharing, yah bless

[@oddursigurdsson3046]

Great info and thx for sharing :)

[@tjkiller99000]

Great useful video

[@yuriys.6352]

Interesting test 👍

[@greenstreet5287]

Those are some gorgeous rifles boys.

[@XRING]

Thanks green street.

[@danielgodismyjudge]

Good review guys!

[@XRING]

Thanks Daniel

[@jamesjohnson2700]

Thanks enjoy it

[@sidbates3423]

Outstanding video guys I’m a fan of the long range competition but I’ll have to stick with the 6.5 creedmoor for my hunting applications but if I ever got into shooting contest definitely 6 MM or the Arc

[@TexasTrained]

Foll I w up after 18 mo the of shooting 6mm ARC. I really like it.Ive been shooting a gas gun I built.Its pretty dang accurate and consistent at 1200 yards. I'm thinking of building a bolt gun.What length barrel & twist do you suggest X-Ring? I've been shoiting I. The 1mile and 2 mile lately with 6.5 PRC and 300 PRC. I LIKE THIS LONGER STUFF.

[@ldr2980]

Very helpful video 👍👍

[@idahorodgersusmc]

That was a GREAT video! Welcome to the long barrel club👍 I think something you missed was, Purpose Of Use in choosing the cartridge. What you covered was great for "competition" shooting. However for practical uses, The 6.5 with 147gr or my Desert Precision Kenny special .280 Rem, sending 190gr will be much more effective on predators or putting meat on the table. Once again GREAT video guys👍👍👍😀😀😀 I learned Alot !

[@bshadrick]

Long range hunting sounds like a blast! Gonna try it this fall!!!!

[@idahorodgersusmc]

@@bshadrick I might caution a lil bit on long range hunting, IMHO anything past 400/500 yds can sometimes be a little bit questionable on a clean kill, Now, I know and heard of longer kill shots at great distance, and that's fine or perhaps more braggadocios. BUT we never hear of the long shots gone wrong with wounded or disguarded game....and I Know that happens way to often. If I can't get with in good kill range, than i've failed miserably as a western region hunter. I had my .280 built for long range predatory hunting ( wolves, coyotes, hill cats etc) and still maybe go to a F class shoot if the urge hits me....or shoot an Elk, If need be and its the only rifle I got handy at the moment. I'm not a rich man, and I was only gonna sink this kinda money once in my life, so therefore I tried to pick a multi use cartridge.

[@kirkmartin2223]

@@idahorodgersusmc I agree 100%! I will not make a shot on an animal past 400yds......especially not the deer/elk of a lifetime! The 6arc is....the 6arc. In an AR15 it has potential. But in a bolt gun there are soooo many better options.

[@madkow2001]

Please tell us the specs for each of those rifles, chassis, scopes, rings, etc. great video!

[@gregisaacs7091]

Love me my 6.5 Creedmoor!

[@SCQT]

You mentioned in the last vid you were thinking about knocking the 6arc barrel back a bit. Maybe i missed it but what kind of fps are you getting with that javelin now? What were you thinking of knocking it back to, and what do you plan on losing? Solid test. Good watch.

[@chriswinsett]

New camera? This video is super clear. Great job as usual 👍

[@XRING]

Same iPhone, I think it was the lighting

[@plu5five]

Great video again! Im curious if the 6ARC which is 2.260" in length will have feeding issues since its shorter than a 6BR at 2.440" and 6BR guys claim they have feeding issues/modifying mags to work, supposedly why George Gardner of GAP made the 6GT at 2.580" to "supposedly" be the shortest 6 that feeds well from any unmodified short action mag...I do wonder, so Im Glad you are testing all aspects of it out. Til the next one, Thanks for Comparison brother @XRING 🤙🇺🇲

[@TexanUSMC8089]

6ARC uses a modified 223 mag. I don't think they'll have issues.

[@plu5five]

@@TexanUSMC8089 but the guys using bolt rifles with 6ARC are loading slightly longer than 223 mag length and heard they are using 308 mags in the bolt rifles

[@InSightFreedom]

Nice. Real world comparison

[@goingballistic495]

Great vid.

[@davidhutchinson6108]

It looked like you had a lot of feeding issues with the 6ARC. Why Hornady would launch a product without a viable mag solution is beyond me. I even contacted Magpul and was told they have no plans to make a mag for it. The cartridge may be the best thing since instant grits, but until someone designs a new mag for it that really works, it's a NoGo. I'm not giving up on the cartridge. I truly want to see it succeed. But that's the kind of thing that will cost you a match or even your life depending on how you plan to use it.

[@scottduffy5552]

I think it was primarily designed for use with the AR-15 platform. Ive seen enough vids on the 6mm ARC out of the AR and feeding isn’t an issue on those. On a bolt action I think you are correct...they need to design a specific magazine for that platform. It’s ballistic capability is fantastic so I’m pretty sure you’ll see plenty of products around this round in the next few years. Not sure if you knew, but I read that the department of defense adopted this caliber about a year prior to being released to the public...most likely in an AR platform by whatever unit had adopted it, because that is what the 6mm ARC is designed for. If the military likes it enough for use in the hands of our servicemen then it’s a good sign for us!

[@majeedbabaei5555]

6ARC originally was designed and developed primarily for special military applications. This cartridge in an AR-15 18" would of yield much better thermal ballistics as an SPR than our 5.56. It was designed to be ran in a gas gun, not bolt rifles. Don't understand why would you want to run it in a bolt rifle, there are many standardized cartridges now that are well supported and yield much better results with similar recoil. Also, want better recoil management? Try more aggressive brakes. That's a different can of warms though.

[@gullettr1]

You answered some questions I had.

[@jerryjohnsonii4181]

Very Cool interesting video !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@pellis1783]

Thank you

[@gabelstapler19]

Tacticam video was excellent here. Looked like 6 ARC was a little more jumpy than 6 CM, but I think a balanced muzzle brake will help it out. Looking forward to more.

[@Yvirten]

Pretty sure it was due to the 6creedmoor being on a tripod vs arc being on a long legged bipod. I've shot both and can say without a doubt 6arc recoil and muzzle jump is significantly less than any creedmoor.

[@agile-heliuk1801]

Very interesting. Smaller round. Bigger splash. Guessing higher velocity = larger splash 🤔. Well I was going to go 6.5 creed for my new rifle... but now I'm thinking 6mm creed or 6.m ARC.

[@LL-be3rh]

Great video , great shooters !! I have a 6.5 cm but got me thinking I might need the 6 arc 🤔 (want or need whatever)

[@killerfungis]

Just now thinking about 6mm ARC? 6mm Grendel been around for over a decade.

[@LL-be3rh]

@@killerfungis I haven't been into this sport very long. I didn't even know there was a 6mm grendel.

[@SDA-Sound]

How is a 6mm CM more visible on a plate then a 6.5 CM? also what rifle and set up is that ARC set up?

[@drewberrynews3875]

How much difference in the cartridge between the 6mm creed and the 6 arc? I'm loving the 6 creed we own but interested in this 6arc

[@Ruweisat]

You mentioned the 3 calibers, but what are the rifles? The ARC action was smooth.

[@w740lp8]

Great video! Slap a Piercision 5 port muscle brake on that 6.5 creed. I have one on my savage 10T and it really makes it easy to spot my shots out at 1000 with a 24x scope

[@campsitez2355]

shooting a 6.5 sounds like a great way to meet women

[@conservativesniperhunter7439]

That was a great comparison between two popular and the new kid on the block PRS cartridges. I think I’m going to go with the Hornady 6mm ARC in my next rifle not only because of its mild recoil but for all the other reasons you stated . I want one of those XLR chassis X-ring , what do they cost ?

[@alexspencer8904]

The most popular cartridges are the 6br cartridge family (6 Dasher, 6BR, 6BRA, 6BRX, 6GT, 6 Comet, and ETC) and 6mm creedmoor. Usually it's newer shooters that run 6.5 creedmoor because of the wide variety of factory chambered rifles. There are very very few people running cartridges like 6mmAR and 6ARC has just been released but I doubt you'll have guys swap from their 6BR cartridges family. I know I won't switch from my 6 Dasher.

[@killerfungis]

Why did you wait? 6mm Grendel has been around for over a decade.

[@DB-xe1vy]

Cool vid!

[@northman77]

6 arc... I really like the 6-6.5 creedmoor- arc, amazing cartridge.

[@jarjarlol]

Solid content

[@rizkyhunter3784]

Amazing

[@johnsimonelli9988]

That was fun to watch, Did you happen to weigh the rifles?

[@BTOMF]

Random question: why the hole in the scope cap on the 6 ARC?

[@Pew_Professional]

What length barrel are you running in your ARC and what velocities are you getting in it with factory 108’s

[@rolandtimario2362]

Any recommendation for a production prs rifle to start with!

[@traceycook8826]

What distance 6mm have enough energy to make a shot .is less than 1000 yard or more

[@dallasweber7692]

My Primary Go To For Short Medium & Out To 1306 Yards On Full Size Silhouettes & Thats Why I Have 3 Of Them With Different Sweet-Ups & My Freight Train Hitter Is My 2 .300 PRC’s/ 1 In 26 Barrel & 1 In 28 Inch Barrel. Keep The Reality Footage Coming. Fantastic & Correct Material.

[@dallasweber7692]

My Three Different Set-Ups In 6 mm ARC With 18 Inch Barrels Are 1306 Yard Hitters Especially If Wind Isn’t To Wild. Them Long Of Barrels Would Be Interesting On A Built .300 PRC. Which In Heavier Winds With 26 & 28 Barrels Take Over & Knock Out The Much Longer Distances As They Obviously Have Longer Capabilities. Your Drills For Splash & Adjusting Were The Real Deal. Outstanding Footage.

[@rutrose2000]

So glad I went with 6ARC instead of Creed with my last rifle.

[@DinoNucci]

You're free to do life wrong

[@rutrose2000]

Dino Nucci meh.......I think I’ll be alright.

[@Peace-ju9us]

what is the energy difference between the 3 at 600 and 700 yards? Energy counts.

[@billy19461]

What was the attachment that you had on your scope?

[@mckimmym]

Was it just me or did the holds not make sense? Were they dialing after the first miss? It seemed like their hold changed in the wrong direction. Not sure if I’m missing something or if it’s the scope cam.

[@melodykaty8825]

thank you @X-RING :) :) Great video again! Kiss :) :)

[@theoutlawjoseywales8711]

Ray: I just read on Sniper's Hide's web forum that 6mm ARC presents a "splash" problem past 800 yards. In other words, the small bullet impact on steel is quite difficult for spotters or the shooter to see. Your thoughts?

[@XRING]

Same issue with all the other 6mm shorties. I have been seeing a lot of t1000 target flashers for further targets.

[@BIG_E_83]

How many rounds can you put through the 6mm arc before you wear the barrel out ?

[@Alienz117]

Good Intel , 6mm ARC has found its lane!

[@bryanwilliams3524]

Hey xRing. I know you done videos on how to set up dope. But like when you were at .22 competition. How to set up scope. 25 35 50 68 100 yards. ? How can I find a way to take a long range CLASS with you. ? Please. Bryan.

[@roperboy87]

Hey what your thought on a cooper model 22 raptor?

[@JonHunter80]

wow, I think you just sold me on the 6mm arc.. whats the chassis on that 6mm arc?

[@f3nixfire]

AR15. If you're not shooting for competition and you dont want to pay an arm and a leg for the ammo, 6.5 grendel is a better choice for the AR15 platform because it has great ballistic coefficient and performance for the cost.

[@musicteacherbuilder]

I had no trouble following the vapor trail on the video. This means with the bare eye it should be far more clear. Not sure why there is some belief that one was easier to follow. What am I missing?

[@XRING]

The camera is directly connected to the scope with zero chance of moving. It is different when you are shooting the rifle.

[@customjrod]

What mags are you using for your 6arc.

[@kjnolder]

Very informative video. Love it. Why not own one of each?! I am curious, what is the max velocity with a long barrel with HANDLOADS on 6 ARC?

[@BrandonBAMF197]

What mag are you using for the 6arc?