6 - Calvinists - Other Gods

[@thekolobsociety]

we want more!!

[@dinodude8513]

0:35 "Wouldn't you agree with us if you held the same presuppositions we do?"

[@ranteumptom7345]

Travis feeding my addiction.

[@germanslice]

Are these two just arguing or are they learning anything new its been 5 videos and have they learnt anything? What would God say to them. when they to God: A Bible,a Bible, we have got a Bible, there can be no more Bible? And God will say back to them. What meaneth them when they say to me a Bible, a Bible, we have got a Bible, there can be no more Bible? Murmur ye because ye shall receive more of my word? Know ye not there are more nations than one? And then the big ass kicking from God continues.

[@kobidoggy7575]

THANK you Travis. Brilliant fantastic job 👊♥️. Please more 🙏 learn a lot from your videos.

[@ClintK.]

The talking past each other is painful and their cognitive inability and unwillingness to rise to a higher level and truly communicate with you shows how we truly throw ourselves out of Gods kingdom due to our dogmatic unwillingness to learn.

[@alexmunro2640]

"Superficial Reading of the text" that is very clear how they read the Bible.

[@JaysonCarmona]

I LIKE THIS!!!!!!!!

[@boltrooktwo]

A Protestant will see the rebellion to interpret text for everyone else without being a prophet primarily as what gives supremacy and the natural man finds pleasure in judging a different view perceived as error so it’s very difficult to give up those presuppositions, it would be a blow to the Protestant identity.

[@a.r.hollowayauthor7210]

These shorter vids are doing a really good job of breaking up the conversation so its easier to be understood. I think some of the other vids i've watched and somewhat misunderstood, I did so because they were so . . . so long lol This is a good strat I think.

[@jonathanhopkins8565]

3:28 the pause 😂

[@gbengoosewuru4139]

"You could impose something on the text that the text doesn't teach and say that it teaches this..." 😂😂😂😂 That's pretty much everything they believe

[@joelblessing1532]

Brothers Mormons have their own definition of words.

[@missionarydiscussions1286]

@@joelblessing1532, yes. That's true of most religious philosophies. Good job.

[@ranteumptom7345]

Ahhh… straight into the veins!

[@beautheone]

Same man, same. Eyes closing as a smile spreads across my face while I drift silently into theological bliss..

[@GeorgeZackrison]

Travis, what books do you recommend on the subject? Unseen Realm series?

[@justjamie6458]

So scripture must be written by a first hand witness of Jesus Christ. That means if Joseph Smith saw God his wrightings are scripture. So then they have to say Joseph didn't see God, he was tricked by the devil or lying. But how can they know that unless they were first hand witnesses? The logic is self defeating.

[@GeorgeZackrison]

But but but... uhhh... uhh.... TRIUME!

[@beautheone]

@@GeorgeZackrison 😂

[@germanslice]

That claim that Joseph saw just two spirits is not correct. The Father and Son have got resurrected bodies of flesh and bone.

[@justjamie6458]

@@germanslice definitely. And Joseph Smith's first hand experience with Heavenly Father, and Jesus Christ is rejected by the guys claiming first hand knowledge is necessary.

[@germanslice]

@@justjamie6458 The problem is Joseph told the truth about God and what he looks like and what kind of body he has. For in Genesis God walked around with a body and Adam and Eve heard him coming and went to hide themselves.. So how can God only be a invisible spirit? Before the Birth of of his Son Jesus Christ in the flesh? And God did promise also through the prophet Isaiah that he would show his face again unto man and he would set up a Zion people upon the earth in the last days and bring back again Zion.. Joel 3:15-20. So where is the Lord to be found in the last days, is the Lord to be found with these two guys with the Bible rambling on about their own incorrect ideas about God? Nope, the Lord is going to be found in Zion in the last days just as the prophet Joel, John and others have all foretold it would be so. To bring about Daniel's vision. For Zion has the everlasting gospel. So Is Zion another Gospel? No, the everlasting Gospel is not another gospel but is the Everlasting Gospel. For John The Revelator didn't see another gospel when the angle of heaven showed to him the restoration of the everlasting gospel in vision, he saw the everlasting gospel brought back again upon the earth to preach it onto all the inhabitanst of the earth by God in the last days. Those who argue for the Galatians interpretation to incorrectly assume that God condemns every angle who preaches the gospel. do they even realize that both Paul and John followed instructions given to them from Angles of heaven who came down to them throughout their earthly ministry to teach John and Paul more of the gospel?. Because if we were to take galatians literally as they interpret it to condemn every angle of heaven then we would have to condemn John, Paul, and all the other prophets and saints who had angles of heaven came down to them to give them messages from God. So condemning the restoration makes no sense. So to use galatians a letter of paul to a group of apostate saints to ignore ot condemn john's preaching of the everlasting gospel and to condemn's Paul's promise of a day of restitution of all things makes no sense. The restoration was seen and foretold by all the prophets. Everything in the everlasting gospel will focus also on the things of eternity and everything that's eternal to God.........The Everlasting Gospel will be in perfect harmony with Ecclesiastes 3:6 that whatsoever God doeth it shall be forever. So God will be a revealer of truth since he knows everything and cannot add more to what he already knows. So God uses Prophets and angles to reveal truth. For God said he would in the last days set up an everlasting kingdom that would never be again taken away from the earth. And that kingdom would be called Zion in the scriptures and that is where in Zion is where the Lord will be found in these last days speaking his voice by revelation from his prophets in Zion. These two may have found Jesus but forget that Jesus represents the Kingdom of his Father who had sent him so his Father's Kingdom is on the earth they haven't found it yet. They only found Jesus in the Bible but not found his Father's kingdom that is on the earth. And without the Father's Kingdom and only having just Jesus you cannot inherit eternal life without the Father's kingdom. Jesus does not come all alone, he comes with his Father and with his Father's servants the prophets and his Father's Kingdom..

[@anthonym2499]

... song of solomon was "intended by god" :/

[@ProbeScout]

No, Genesis 19 was lol

[@ErC-oj6rc]

Oooo now its getting Serious...he Moved the camera...In the Apologetic world thats like a guy putting his Ballcap backwards on the Street. Joking.

[@alexmunro2640]

These two would say it was not Jesus if he stood before them because he did not match their interpretation

[@joelblessing1532]

How did Jesus accept the Old Testament? How did he question that?

[@missionarydiscussions1286]

@@joelblessing1532, He didn't "accept the Old Testament", it didn't exist as we know it today.

[@TrebizondMusic-cm6fp]

There are books claiming to be scripture that were produced by the process of automatic writing, the most audacious example being _Oahspe_ which John Ballou Newbrough channeled in 1882 by means of a typewriter. That's more or less how the imagined process of dual authorship, or God-breathing, or however Sola Scriptura partisans want to put it - that's more or less how that process would work: a human acting as more of a medium, writing out words that come from some other will. People have tried to peg the Book of Mormon as a product of automatic writing, with Joseph Smith as a medium. That's simplistic and a hasty conclusion. Taking _Oahspe_ as one example, it assumes a voice of an omniscient author: it acts like people think "The Bible" should act, laying down a cosmic revelation with the voice of God. It's radically different from the Book of Mormon - and its effective parody of a simplistic understanding of the Bible is instructive as to how the Bible was actually produced.

[@nealljones]

God allows humans to commit errors in every aspect of life. Just not when a prophet writes a letter? Or when a scribe writes down accounts? These 2 are ignorant on the topic of other gods. No suprise.

[@Hol0gr4m]

Not to mention that any language spoken since the Fall is flawed. Can God communicate perfectly through an imperfect language? Logically no.

[@breezeistlime96]

I'm confused here why are the Elders here? I would have never continued this conversation as a missionary because obviously the spirit has left the chat. This is just a Bible fight, which is fine, but nothing of value will come out of it

[@GregFessia]

God breathes through flawed mortals? This is some dumb stuff!