6 MONTH REVIEW of My "Cheap Chinese E-bike" Sur-ron Ultra Bee

[@TheWakeupsheeple]

Absolutely LOVE mine!!! I've had it for about a year now and it's a friggen blast. Let all my friends test it out and they are all amazed how it rides.

[@seanmoore7207]

had mine for a year as well; Love it. The only thing that annoyed me was having to spend more money on rims, tires, new chains and sprockets.

[@TheWakeupsheeple]

@@seanmoore7207 I crammed a 110 tire on the stock rear rim (major pain until I used the zip tie method) and put a used crf250 front rim with a little bit of trimming the axle and then got rid of the o-ring chain (surprising power robber) and all is good. Had to drill the rear rim for a bead lock because the 110 was ripping the tube on the first acceleration.

[@alfiecunnington563]

Yo bro where do I buy one the same as the video and how much cheers?

[@CrossWindsPat]

@@alfiecunnington563 Ali Express for like 5500

[@shredmas]

They're actually is a battery percentage number. But you better get a magnifying glass out to read it it's up in the upper right corner of the display. What's funny is I always strained to look at % but never noticed the battery at the top.

[@BogdanNourescu]

If you take the battery out of the bike, there is a small battery % on the battery, but its made out of bars instead of numbers like on light bee

[@vinuezaer]

Yeah, I wish the number was bigger since it's the most important information 😢

[@seashackf1]

Yeah that’s weird someone who’s had the bike for so long wouldn’t notice that. 2:44 after the initial start up sequence you can clearly see it’s at 43%.

[@shredmas]

@@seashackf1 yeah well when you're 70 years old and your clothes up vision is diminishing you may find it difficult to see those numbers as well. I still have really good distance vision so I don't need glasses to ride. But I have to put my readers on to see the numbers

[@KarmicPatina]

So freaking awesome. Want one soooo bad

[@SUPERGOOSE-LLC]

Good review, thanks!!

[@LXN390]

why does it have the belt drive into chain drive?

[@Trauma_Titan]

What business did you get the decal stickers from?

[@vinuezaer]

How has no one brought up the amazing graphics ? I need those please. Link or any info is appreciated .

[@electricisbetter]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qWGZaqCfeNOImq8si=u1H-dBVVyOvl7eS5

[@levro7367]

Dont know if i should buy one or a yz250

[@erikjonromnes]

I’m actually just curious, not trying to be negative… If it’s such a great bike then why have you only used it for 371 miles? I’m interested in getting the ultra bee i instead of the light bee but now I’m questioning if i should just go the light bee x route. I trust your input bc you are exactly the same height and weight as i am. So what do you suggest? I don’t plan on using it for supercross or anything too crazy… more for some basic north Florida moto tracks, but mostly trail riding. Is it more fun to upgrade the light bee, or better to just keep the ultra bee close to stock. Customization seems not just fun but it make me feel more connection to my bike. Anyways thanks!

[@electricisbetter]

I would go Ultra Bee route for sure! As far as the 371 miles, got it late last year. Close to the end of the riding season

[@LeoLaTortuga2]

how tall are you? I'm ~6,1 (185cm) and i feel like the ultra bee would be kinda small for me? idk

[@محمدمحمد-د5ك3ص]

In 2 years, you will pay $2000 because of a battery, and this remains a big disadvantage. I still love the Yamaha YZ250.

[@edwardplatkin5730]

How much would you pay for gas and oil in 5 years?

[@Thesocialgarage]

How much are top end rebuilds, fuel, oil etc etc? How often is the bike down because it had a mechanical issue?

[@The10thManRules]

What a display design choice. "No reason to make the battery % readable from a natural rider position. No one cares around range and better %. Make it teeny-tiny so people will have to use their phone camera to see it".

[@BogdanNourescu]

He is talking about the bars on the actual battery, when you pull the battery out of the bike

[@drporkchop242]

"Dumb people click off the video now" (me clicks off video)

[@moherhat]

Im not happy with how good the Chinese products became.

[@AlphaCharlie808]

Lol always been good since they do a majority of manufacturing

[@chrisrid6658]

@@AlphaCharlie808literally these bikes all come from the same place just gets taxed like a mf from a dealer or website

[@daddyshrek5666]

@@chrisrid6658you can get them straight from china yourself

[@EmotoOregon]

That thing looks huge. My buddy just got one. Gonna try it out tomorrow. Hopefully, it's as fun on our single tracks as my Talaria.

[@Ebbrush3]

dragon is going to be heavier....the ultra bee battery upgrades are so $$$$.......love my pro SS but ultra bee is next ...im done with gas ....anyone want to buy some kawis

[@ziney9173]

Hello it seems that you run a bigger battery right ? (According to the battery lid or it’s just the stock battery with a bigger battery lid ?) Thanks

[@Clips1127]

Should I get one from a Chinese company

[@michaelalvarez8082]

At the end of the video you mentioned a competitive bike that was coming out but didn’t understand which one it was, can you clarify ?

[@coolcarpeople]

I recently bought an ultra bee so of course figured I do some research. Stumbled across your video and realized the places you are riding look very familiar only to notice you are wearing a WFO hoodie. I race D17 and Wfo as well. It would be cool to talk to you about upgrades and check your bike out.

[@electricisbetter]

For sure! I'm at as many races as possible

[@Lilbiscuit22]

Heck yeah, this thing has been an absolute blast! I have 540 miles of super rocky single track on mine and haven't had any problems! I recommend the SXS skid plate. The only real downside over my kawi is the range but I just installed a torp controller and a 80V 76ah battery so I can't wait to test it out!

[@daddy8875]

let me know how the range goes

[@Lilbiscuit22]

@@daddy8875 Found out the Torp 1000 controller does not work well with 80V batteries 😂. But I got it to work by draining the battery under the 90V limit that the controller has. I ended my 33.46 mile ride at 29% on the UB’s display and 71% ~79V according to the Torp app. I don’t know which one is correct to be honest. But compared to the stock battery I made it to our turn around point at 79% compared to usually 50-55% on the stock battery. I was using a mixture of 14 KW and 10 KW in the Torp app. 32% after 33 miles was a little less than I was hoping as I got 30 miles at 7% remaining with the stock battery.

[@Lilbiscuit22]

Based on the math I did 79V on a 22 cell battery would be ~71% so I’m guessing the Torp app is correct which is sick if true.

[@Lilbiscuit22]

@BeGoodNow12 I only tested up to 14kw but it felt very similar to having it in sport mode with the stock controller and battery. I’ll try out 18kw+ next ride to see if top speed increases.

[@Lilbiscuit22]

@BeGoodNow12 Thankfully their beta firmware fully supports the battery. The beta software also gives you the full functionalitly of the stock display! So it's great now and 14kw with the new firmware is alot quicker than stock sport mode and 18kw makes it feel like a different bike. Definitly have a higher top speed now as I hit 60 mph at 18 kw with a 54t sprocket. And battery range is good. I got down to 29% after ~36 miles switching between 11, 14 and 18 kw. It was very fast single track so I imagine it will do better in terms of miles on slower and more technical single track.

[@WilliamBarrett-hq7fp]

Hey buddy, did you buy it local or on Alibaba?

[@Thesocialgarage]

What real world range are you getting in Singles? We run heavily modded LBX, but have kept the KTMs for longer single track riding. Really thinking about trying these

[@DoRC]

It looks like the dashboard has the ability to show the battery percentage in the upper right hand corner.

[@christiandunbar532]

How tall are you?

[@jimji2774]

NIce review. I have only test ridden one on the street for a minute but thought it needed more hp and heavier springs in the suspension. Nice to hear it may work well enough in the dirt as is. Thanks. I may have missed it but it looks like you at least changed out the wheels and tires ?

[@chesterashley-plumb2419]

whered u get it?

[@tigerrider6711]

Get the chain drive conversion right away, the belt will shred off-road.

[@binlagin]

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[@electricisbetter]

Want a Storm in future! Test rode one last year and loved it

[@bci3937]

my UB (R) got 600 km and what can i say...it runs very well, i am on road so its all street legal and stock, no problems yet...

[@PurpSyrp]

Mannn words can’t explain how hype I am to get my Surron

[@highducky420]

the ultra bee is a very nice bike, maybe the talaria dragon is better in specs but not as nice as the ultra imo

[@dennisstahl7621]

I love mine! I think it's the funnest bike I have ever owned. If you get one change the wheels to 18/21 made it feel like a real dirt bike. Worth the money if you have been riding a while.

[@Joske920]

on the right next to the bars there is a percentage of the power on the display

[@maxmorris498]

Where did you get the graphics? I’m looking for just the front plate right now but can’t find any for a ultra bee only light bees

[@electricisbetter]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qWGZaqCfeNOImq8si=N6XL_z5B_HVs_rgM

[@Lucas-nh2mk]

Can you do a 0,30 mph?🙏🏻

[@Londue]

It can do 56- 60mph, 90-95kmh

[@Lucas-nh2mk]

@@Londue aceleration 0 to 30mph

[@Londue]

@@Lucas-nh2mkthink it’s 2.3secs

[@lyubomiryordanov9246]

Hello! I'm torn between Ultra Bee and Talaria Dragon, which would be better for forest terrains

[@electricisbetter]

Hard to say since none has ridden the Dragon. I can tell you that the Ultra Bee does great

[@steadysunGRT]

Cheap hahaha

[@BARBATUS1300]

I thing the talaria dragon is difrent category (100kg)

[@electricisbetter]

Agreed

[@Ytdailyfactss]

Where can you buy one for cheap? Like under €800 on aliexpress or something

[@MyFaithShines]

Lol this one is like 10k€

[@babicc91]

If someone said you to buy under the $2000 its a scamm. I was scammed last month from aliexpres everything what’s on what’s up

[@pete7674]

thank you

[@Hobbies4Hire]

Great job on the video! Thanks for making it. By the end of the year I will likely have to make the decision between this and a Light Bee. Being only 5'8" I worry about the Ultra being a bit too tall for me. Also, I have zero experience with riding motorcycles, so I thought the Light Bee would be a good primer to get me ready for bigger bikes.

[@KNKLHEAD]

I have have two light bees that our family loves. My son is as tall as Matthew, and we might consider a bigger bike. The Light Bee is a perfect, perfect bike to learn on. Reply/Send me a note if you are interested in a used bike, low miles, we'll taken care of? I am in Western NY, could deliver. within reason. No hurry to sell, just thinking out loud!

[@jackbuaer3828]

I have had an ultra since May. I am tall, but not an experienced rider. I don't think your height would be a problem. Ultra is not a full sized dirt bike. It actually seems designed for a smaller person. It's pretty easy to ride.

[@alfiecunnington563]

How much? And where do I buy? thanks

[@electricisbetter]

Shock Bikes sells them!

[@alfiecunnington563]

@@electricisbetter I’m assuming I can order online?

[@rosetheblackcat]

"Cheap chinese e bike" lmao thanks for sharing your experience on this well built and capable dirtbike

[@thimoruijgers6995]

How much did you pay for it?

[@Maxwell_Manchester]

Well with shipping they are around 7k but with his upgrades roughly 10k

[@garbageman3992]

it seems nice and all but there is one big issue which I cannot overlook. as a hobbyist electrical engineer with TONS of experience with bldc motors and ev tech in general I cannot overlook the fact that its a single speed. motors, batteries, and esc's destroy themselves and make no power at low rpm's. for mx its mostly ok but for slow single track and hard enduro riding its near impossible with an e bike since thye make such bad low end power OR if they do happen to make goo dlow end power they are intnetionally destroying themselves to make that low end power. if the bike had a little 3 speed transmission I would totally get one but as it stands they physically cannot last long or perform merely as well as any gas bike since they are designed like garbage. they also are chinese and I wont want to support them. I almost got an e bike long long ago, over a decade ago now, and it was the original sur ron, but it wasnt called a sur ron, it was an american designed and chinese made e bike but the chinese stole the design and sent the american company under and now they are called sur ron. terrible company. overall its hard to tell but I cannot support such terrible company and get something which 100 percent of me tells me will underperform for my riding. even at its peak it only makes around 30-35 ish hp and its just not enough.

[@electricisbetter]

Have you ever ridden one?

[@garbageman3992]

@@electricisbetter yeah Iv ridden a few stock and a few modded ones. they really dont make much low end power at all even though they seem to. for example a gas bike will easily pull up the front tire at 1st gear (low road speed) and barely at like 4th gear (high road speed). this is because the power is constant throughout the gears, same hp to the ground in 1st and 4th gear. at higher speed the wheel has less torque but much higher rpm. the lack of torque results in hard to lift front end. an e bike will wheelie just as easily from 5 kmh as it will at 40 kmh. math shows that flat power (just like the gas bike) results in high torque at low rpm and low torque at high rpm. but ev bikes have flat torque so as rpm increases and torque remains constant the hp output ends up being far greater at high rpms. I rode my friends 18ish kw crazy telaria with a small rear sprocket for 100 mph top speed (it couldnt actually hit that due to wind resistance but it theoretically could with enough power) and it would literaly not have the power to pull the fornt wheel off the ground at anything below 20 kmh because bldc motors dont make flat power but as soon as it went above 40 it could do it easily, proving a very steep power curve. not only that but sur rons and telarias overdraw like hell at low rpms especialyl to try to artificially negate that terrible low end power and it still did that. so he had uneblievable terrible performance at low speeds, burnt out his esc, motor, and blew up 2 battery packs trying to offroad with us, but could do hgihway stuff no problem. this is all because the motors make no low end power and have insane heat production attempting to make good low end power. its hard to wrap your head around this stuff if you dont understand the differences between hp and torque and energy output but I can go far moreinto depth and explain the math and stuff too.

[@garbageman3992]

@@electricisbetter oh I forgot this video was about the storm bee, I have not ridden a storm bee but the characteristics remain the same as a small sur ron so its the same problems as I mentioned in the other comment. poor low end power and in attempt to make low end power insane current draw is nescessary (due to close to zero back emf) and thus very little wattage input but most of it goes to heat due to the fact that its like 90 percent current/torque making the wattage.

[@Thesocialgarage]

Couldn't be more wrong. All the torque is in the first 20% of throttle. These are geared very low. They WILL go 60+, but are at home in the 10-20 range

[@garbageman3992]

@@Thesocialgarage with all due respect i dont think you know what torque is. all the torque is in the first 20 percent of the throttle? makes absolutely no sense.

[@JasonStevenson72]

Looks like you misspelled belt on one of your title slides. ;) Nice looking bike! Gonna have to buy a couple of these after I win the lottery.

[@electricisbetter]

I noticed that. & Right after I told stupid people to not watch the video 🤣

[@JasonStevenson72]

@@electricisbetter You need to get a remote mic, you sound a little distant in this video.