6 Reasons Why 4K Blu-ray Will Outclass Sony's BRAVIA Core 80Mbps Streaming

[@theheadsn]

Reason 7: You OWN the movie. Studios or streaming services can never take away the movie you bought and paid for, unlike a glorified rental

[@ChristianLehrer]

Spot on Correct! Thank you! Yes, I have a small digital collection, mostly free digital copies that came with Blu ray/DVD purchases plus some Vudu disc to digital and Itunes purchases. If Vudu's partnership with Movies Anywhere goes away so do a bunch of my digital titles that I purchased.

[@EspHack]

reason 8: its EASIER than creating yet another account and giving payment info and dealing with some app that cant ever be trusted to do anything reliably over time

[@3choblast3r4]

Yeah .. but as a pirate, the internet already has the movie for me. So I don't really care about owning it. I can get 4k hdr copies of every movie I want without filling up my house with movies 99.9$% of which I will never watch again. I pay for netflix, and sail the rough seas for the rest of my movies and shows. I mainly have netflix for background sounds and because my little sisters and family use it.

[@Reaper_000]

@@3choblast3r4 4K HDR pirate ? Where exactly, I know a lot of sites but most of them have a maximum of 1080p…

[@YavNe]

@@Reaper_000 Well, he means Torrent imo. Ofc the online watching sites provide only 1080p non-HDR... You could even find 3D movies on Torrent.

[@naderzein2435]

They'll have to rip my physical media from my cold, dead hands lol.

[@alexroot1980]

@@deadmankino the day it will happen I'll stuck to my collection and ignore new releases.

[@larsstougaard7097]

Nader 😁⚘😵🤲⚘

[@chrislopez1918]

I feel the same way

[@anthonyf3957]

Challenge accepted.

[@Newgodofwar]

I'll just rip it to my hard drive...

[@5urg3x]

The key is “up to” - you don’t have “up to” with BRD...there’s no way they can sustain 80Mbps worldwide 24/7

[@freddyjuarez5602]

Everyone should know already that physical 4k ultra blu-ray will always win

[@melvinx01]

the only way of knowing this would be to compare both final products, comparing bit rate on different encodes is pointless unless they both use the exact same settings.

[@Mister__Jey]

Yes, exactly, you are the only person in the world who can tell whether the 4k film is has 80Mbps or 95 Mbps bit rate, all right 😂😂👍

[@thomasne7901]

Yeah, I'm buying 4K discs for now. They can easily be improved though. People with a proper audio system notices a big difference between 3D audio in the cinema and the Blu-ray. The source is different, it's not a bitrate problem. This can easily be improved in the future. The cinema mix already exists. Personally I think several modern movies have the same dialogue problem as Tenet. Not as much, but it is a problem. Digital upscales can be improved. Some films got bad 4K scans in the first place. HDR isn't always done right. Too much grain is sometimes removed. They are put on 60GB discs instead of 100GB. They sometimes come without IMAX scenes, I really hope people don't buy the new Avengers movies. A lot can be improved! I dislike piracy. I want studios to make more movies, therefore I should pay. Simple as that. With my Blu-ray purchase I'm basicly giving myself the right to pirate in the future. Although they concider that stealing, I don't. Purchasing the same movie several times is stupid. Everything will eventually end up at a home media server and I have the discs as backups.

[@ChiBulls310]

@John Doe w/ DV container boi

[@benjaminrodriguez-garcia5776]

@@Mister__JeyYou can tell the difference in audio though

[@MR-pt7ou]

I dont think Sony was trying to beat Blu-Ray. they were trying to make something very close

[@hppart]

But it's not close really is it

[@callmevil]

yeah, the more obvious target was netflix, disney+, hbomax, hulu, rakuten, prime, etc.

[@AndrewB23]

@@hppart how is 80 not close to 100 compared to 30

[@DavidSusiloUnscripted]

@@AndrewB23 UHD has the potential to go up to 144 mbps

[@benjaminrodriguez-garcia5776]

@@AndrewB23 Audio isn’t as good as blu ray either

[@Miltos95]

Regarding the XR Processor, is there a possibility that their streams are in AV1 and not in HEVC? That would explain why the older TVs cannot decode the stream, also that would mean that the picture quality should be very similar to HEVC Blu-Rays.

[@Robothead-790]

This guy has more pairs of glasses than I do underware!

[@BubbafromSapperton]

He wears them out watching 8k porn 🤭

[@Robothead-790]

@@BubbafromSapperton Wait! 8K porn is real? I think I could cry.

[@krugmeup2162]

Yeah but he can’t turn them inside out. He can spell though.

[@Robothead-790]

Streaming is great, but not to replace physical media. I like owning things!

[@freddyjuarez5602]

Exactly

[@tsellsseashells]

I bought LOTR digital in HD 10 years ago on iTunes and it’s now been upgraded to the 4K Dolby Vision/Atmos version without another purchase. That’s happened on all of my movies that have a 4K version. I’d say streaming is the most future proof option.

[@blarbful]

@@tsellsseashells You own nothing. They can censor or remove your content at any time without your permission. They also have no resell value or collector value.

[@Robothead-790]

@@tsellsseashells Any one of your 4K movies will still look better on a Blu-ray disc than it will through streaming. The Lord Of The Rings 4K movies can have up to 100+ Mbps on a 4K Blu-ray disc. Streaming services like Netflix and Apple do not even come close to that. The newly introduced Sony BRAVIA Core 80Mbps Streaming comes closer to that, but still less. And that is only content that Sony owns and if your connection speeds can handle it. The only thing you gain from streaming, is closet space. I have very little.

[@tsellsseashells]

@@blarbful I’m fine with a license to play a movie at its most current format as long as Apple is still a company. I’m gonna go out on a limb and say it’s probably gonna outlive 4K blu ray as a current format. And you can rebuy all of your movies again in 5 years so you can own it.

[@zackiechan929]

I just want lossless audio to hit any streaming service. Until then, I will always go with the disc version.

[@cup_and_cone]

The annoying part is that many newer streaming devices are already equipped to be able to handle Dolby TrueHD with a firmware update. It's really up to the streaming services to decide to start carrying it.

[@Andersljungberg]

Once upon a time, you could rent physical blu-ray discs at a fixed monthly cost. Those who do not want to buy movies today unfortunately have limited opportunities? in that city I live in Sweden There is now no store that rents movies and there are more than 70,000 people living in my city

[@mnomadvfx]

80 Mbps is a lot of bandwidth. You can easily fit as much lossless audio as you like in less than 1/4 of that and still have plenty for video, especially with more recent state of the art video codecs.

[@homecinemademo]

I agree. The sound on streaming just sounds as if something is missing.

[@Andersljungberg]

There are probably some that point to 24-bit audio on Tidal and Qobus. sounds better than 16-bit CD and there are places to buy downloads of music with high sound quality such as HD Tracks

[@HeavyMetalSonicRM]

My internet speed is 400. It's pretty bitchin', but I still won't abandon blu-ray.

[@albey1816]

The Key word here is: "UP TO" 80MBit/s. It will most likely be only half of the advertised speed or even less.

[@SnakeNL24]

It all depends on your own speeds. Same as for Netflix and other streaming services.

[@Andersljungberg]

it can also depend on which Broadband Company You Have

[@Andersljungberg]

when they say 80 mbit How many go to the image itself

[@nick1635]

@@Andersljungberg it will be almost all of it. Streaming only supports lossy DD+ much less than 1Mbit, usually max 640K. Even TrueHD with Atmos audio track on a UHD disk is usually about 5Mbps on average. There is vastly more pixel data than sound data.

[@Andersljungberg]

@@nick1635 so it becomes as if the image on the disc was 79mbit / s

[@jackw9568]

As others pointed out, the bitrate comparison is only valid if they are using the same CODEC. Sony has already announced that all their 2021 XR TVs support AV1 decoding. They could also be using some proprietary codec even better than AV1. You will need to compare actual content to determine at what bitrates their service meets or exceeds 4K disc quality. We also need to see what bitrate they will use for audio.

[@georgegalica]

It comes bundled with the TV, it will be significantly better quality than other streaming services. It’s a pretty nice add-on for free IMO. Ultra-HD Blu-Rays might be technically better, but they are costly, are disks and not readily available, but glad there is the option for them. Thank you for the video 👍🏻

[@ryanwaasdorp]

It's a smart move by Sony to differentiate themselves qualitatively from others.

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

For "free". 😂😂😂 You have to pay for a 2021 TV in order to get it.

[@AndrewB23]

@@PSYCHOV3N0M it's still free bud

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

@@AndrewB23 No it isn't. You have to buy the 2021 TV in order to gain access to the service. Stop being so easily manipulated by the word "free". 😂

[@redrock425]

@@AndrewB23 the cost is built into price of the TV.

[@Justmeandmy20cents]

Damn, I'm on 1.2 Gbps here, Sony Core is glorious for me, especially with IMAX enhanced content. Btw, Dolby vision and Dolby Atmos is now supported, at least since 2024. Cheers!

[@Ocho817]

Thank you for bringing up the lack of lossless audio! That is the biggest thing missing with streaming!

[@Olivyay]

No, the biggest thing missing with streaming is higher bitrate video, audio is fine.

[@Ocho817]

@@Olivyay says the guy with a soundbar...

[@RealHomeRecording]

@@Ocho817 rude.

[@djp_video]

DOA. Without a wide catalog and wide device support, it isn't going anywhere.

[@Mike_v_E]

Exactly, people will forget about this a month after release

[@caseyhartman7094]

Of course a blu-ray player will provide a higher bit rate than a streaming service. I think a better comparison would be between Bravia Core and other streaming services, particularly those only offering their own titles.

[@xintimidate]

well the reason he made this video is because a lot of people believe it will be the same quality

[@RobertK1993]

@@xintimidate It might get close to 4K Ultra HD Blu ray.

[@Mister__Jey]

@@xintimidate It's the same quality, but of course you'll be the person on earth who can make the difference between an 80 Mbps movie and a 95 Mbps movie. Yep... That's like having a blu ray with 8Mbps and one with 12 Mbps... You would see exactly ZERO difference. Even if you could watch both films at the same time, if you had two TVs next to each other, you would not be able to tell which version is the one with the higher Bitrate.

[@xintimidate]

@@Mister__Jey I love how youre telling me whether or not I would tell the difference you dont know me. Dont pretend you do. Youre naive if you believe it will hold a constant 80Mbps. Especially with most peoples internet connections now in days. On top of that discs have far superior sound quality he even explained that in the video but of course you probably didnt watch the video and decided to comment anyways. If you did watch the video thats a reflection to your comprehension skills. Same people that said you wouldn't notice a difference between 25mbps and 4k blu ray were wrong just like they are now. The difference wouldnt be 80mpbs vs 4k blu ray which can get over 100mpbs it will more than likely be 40-50mpbs vs 4k blu ray.

[@Mister__Jey]

@@xintimidate I don't have to know you, because NO ONE can tell the difference between a the same movie with 80Mbps Bitrate or with 90Mbps... But just think BELIEVE that you could find out the difference, and that it would be so significant that it really matters 😂👍 Always the same people as you, they think. They have the total clue and know everything better, and in reality they have no clue at all, as you just proved with your answer. And the lowest internet speed I get from my provider is 50Mbps... The lowest... There is a 100, 250, 500 and 1000Mbps package... And if you don't live in a village with 500 inhabitants, almost everyone has access to these internet speeds. But the thing with the sound is very interesting, because for the internet speed you have to pay 5 € more so that you get the appropriate internet speed to stream the 80 Mbps. But to get the FAR SUPERIOR sound, you need an appropriate sound system and AV receiver that costs significantly more to purchase... When 70% of all TV user just use there TV speakers and don't even have a simple soundbar And if you're not watching the film in the original English anyway, you'll usually get the worse audio output anyway. This has always been a problem when movies are released on optical stores.

[@gb2828]

It'll be a sad day, if & when, physical disc media becomes obsolete in favor of streaming services. I am, and have been committed to physical media since it's inception (the lowly CD, actually,) and continue to support it by purchasing players (as required,) and of course adding as much 4K Ultra Bluray content to my ever-growing library as possible !!

[@bighands69]

You will have a great library to look back on but 8k 100 inch home viewing with some fancy new HDR will be the future.

[@halcyondaystunes]

The clue is in Sony's description....'Up Too'

[@marcuscole8796]

Very good observation ... most people tend to over read "up to" ^^

[@baff7979]

@@marcuscole8796 I think Sony actually meant "up two"

[@rogerhalt3991]

@@marcuscole8796 misinterpret*

[@Manojkumar-pq5xr]

I watched blade runner 2049 on Netflix and on core and i simple feel like core comes close to disc as the sound and quality is certainly a big improvement. The opening sequence in that movie has huge bass and the Netflix misses it, the dialouges is crisp and clear on core even at low volume, so core is certainly worth it for sony owners for the sony contents.

[@jacobsilguero6169]

Physical is the best by far 👍🏼

[@444chroma]

People look too much at the average bitrate but what's important is the bursts. Is the headroom there when you need it? .eg.intense scene on disc can top 150mbps with buffer over run.

[@JPRacer77Qc]

Even if the quality of streaming would surpass physical discs I would still get my favorite movies/tv shows on discs. I'm free to watch them how and when I want with a constant picture quality. With streaming you're never sure what you get and if their servers or ISP have problems you're f*ked.

[@vb8428]

Am sure most of those wouldn't play on my side of the world so I'll keep downloading those large RIPs.

[@JPRacer77Qc]

Just to add I'm not anti-streaming. Just that I prefer discs for obvious reasons. But it's nice to see innovation and evolution of streaming tech and services. More (and better quality) choices is always good.

[@freddyjuarez5602]

Streaming will never ever ever surpass physical disks quality

[@RobertK1993]

Bravia core probably will eventually.

[@marcuscole8796]

Considering the most likely scenario: the streamed content is the content of a 4K UHD blu-ray stored on a server ... the theoretical absolute maximum you can expect is the 1:1 blu-ray quality ... more likely any stream will always show an inferior quality due to several losses t.b. expected in the supply chain.

[@Jut1911]

Hey Vincent..why not do an update video to the streaming service and your thoughts

[@DrFugue13]

Another great video, thanks! Any new 4K players announced or should I get the Panasonic UB9000?

[@danlah1303]

Wonder if they finally bumped the onboard Ethernet port to 1Gbps. If it’s still 100Mbps I think it will be problematic. I can’t stream 4K from Plex very well because of 100Mb Ethernet port.

[@Supperconductor]

Not even a consideration for me due to the limited catalog.

[@osirismarbles5177]

Catalog will eventually expand

[@samwalsh8299]

@@osirismarbles5177 “Eventually”

[@osirismarbles5177]

@@samwalsh8299 do recall at one point the world was doubtful that UHD would gain enough popularity to produce enough titles to support the format. FHD blu-ray was enough.

[@iBullDoser]

@@osirismarbles5177 In two years, just a few days before it closes down.

[@mnomadvfx]

@@iBullDoser Unlikely. 80 Mbps sounds like a lot now, but in 5 years for many it will be much more viable due to new satellite based internet services with 100+ Mbps like SpaceX Starlink. If anything I could see this service gaining more bandwidth over time. Or at least employing newer video codecs to make more efficient use of existing bandwidth.

[@joyofmvid]

Vincent, What player were you using on video? I like the info shown mbps, etc.

[@joeallen7172]

well sony invented blu ray so we all just gotta praise sony for being so great basically.

[@miroeroerdink670]

Hello Vincent. I watch your channel very often and I enjoy watching it. Sony says you need 115MB/s but thats Byte and not Bit, internet speed is noted in Bites so you wil need 115x8= 920Mb/s internet connection. I think there is a mistake in the tekst on the site of Sony. Greetings from Holland.

[@onewithshadows86]

I have the internet connection speed, no problem. However, I will not be giving up my physical media. I love Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos. Also just as with my anime collection, sometimes it just feels better owning it. Awesome explanation though, much appreciated. 👍

[@wyldeslash2003]

Cool hat! I worked for technicolor for many years. I have a mug that says technicolor if you want it!

[@DauntlessDamian]

Wait... Are they saying you need 115MB/s in order to stream their 80Mbps? Why are they talking about Mbps and MB/s together? Big difference.

[@saiyannegi]

You are right. Glad someone noticed. I think sony made an error cant say if its deliberate but it should be 115mbps

[@hbjigcc]

@luke covill If that was a typo, they wouldn't have written MB/s 6 times. The person who wrote that piece doesn't know the difference between bit and byte.

[@indianladykashmire]

Do you stream larest movie in Blu Ray player ? Actually Blu Ray player n dvd not available this time

[@antoanic8717]

4K BD will always be better, but I think the BRAVIA CORE is really good. You buy a premium TV and at least you get something for free. About support... How long they will support it, I think it will depend on how many TVs they will sell.

[@CamaroWarrior]

@3:50 Why does it cost so much? 1Gbps speed from Verizon and other companies here in the US cost about $80 a month

[@andrewlucan9017]

Very informative. Thank you

[@Andersljungberg]

How many bit are the sound on ultra HD blu-ray. is it 16 or 20 or 24 bit .or is it different depending on whether it is a movie or if it is an example is classical music like Beethoven

[@jctai100]

I have about 250 Mbit service and still get buffering with amazon and Netflix

[@sixdroid]

wifi?

[@redrock425]

This is often forgotten, the died of the connection is no guarantee that it will be a constantly smooth experience. Lots of variables at work!

[@sixdroid]

@@redrock425 yes they have a bad connection and wining about streaming quality and the better for them quality of the blu-ray

[@radry100]

Cool but the real question is, can you really spot the difference of 80Mbit and 30Mbit/s when watching a movie normally? Even the low bitrate from Netflix is hard to spot unless you directly compare it with a bluray or you sit 5cm in front of a 65" screen.

[@Olivyay]

You can when you're used to watching Blu-rays. You may not notice that the streaming quality is really that bad when you're watching it, but when you pop in a disc you'll immediately think "wow this is much cleaner than anything I watch online/on TV". This is especially the case with motion or darker scenes.

[@makatron]

So the service is only available for those that got the 2021 models and have at least 150mbps just to be safe. It's DOA.

[@Fennec1919]

I think this is old when I bought my x950g I received 4 free movies 4k imax from sony streaming

[@makatron]

@@Fennec1919 what they're advertising here is higher streaming quality, but only if they're using the latest TV

[@bighands69]

In 10 years time it will be the norm with 8k processing and some new fancy HDR color processing, new sound codecs and probably something else as well.

[@UziGameGP]

It's a premium service for select few, not the masses

[@marcinwerner8563]

Is it possible to check the bitrate during the movie?

[@walidhannaoui1802]

It’s definitely the clear winner with comparing to other streaming services when it comes to picture quality especially since it offers imax enhanced versions of movies. Still don’t understand why they didn’t include atmos studio though.

[@MrPopo-bd1ix]

Disney+ has "IMAX-Enhanced" titles.

[@Andy-qk4bl]

Hello Vincent, don't you think the video codec used might be some VP9 or H.265, therefore providing (almost) the same video quality?

[@Andy-qk4bl]

@Multidimensional Entity I don't think they will, in fact they are already capped way lower than fiber internet speeds.

[@Andy-qk4bl]

@Multidimensional Entity « your provider wouldn’t let it happen » why ? « It would mean making bigger discs » what disc ? It depends on how you define « better ».

[@ag3210]

I see Bravia Core as a very nice temporary tech demo/experiment that uses full movies to show people the capabilities of their tv. Hopefully it will be technology that will set future standards or is licensed out. But yes, currently for best results 4K blu-ray is the way to go. (Though it is also frustrating to buy blu-rays in that not all studios release disks with Dolby Vision)

[@jacobkeller29]

Exactly, I’m still buying a 4K blue ray for my A80J

[@jacobkeller29]

Exactly, I’m still buying a 4K blue ray for my A80J

[@TheHopelessGuy275]

3:13 115MB/s = 920Mbps?

[@user-jt1jv8vl9r]

Gigaclear (FULL FIBRE) are offering 900mbit download & upload speeds in my area for £79pm. How long before I can have an UHD stream higher than UHD disc? I'm guessing most will go for the 2nd (cheaper) option of 300Mbits for £49pm.

[@grandlx]

Does this mean the play station Digital is also inferior to the disc version? Because of WiFi speed?

[@okidoki7189]

I'm just here to listen to his voice.

[@Swifter101]

so in the main page of the service it says 80mps which megabit but in the fine print at the bottom of the page it says 80MB/s which MegaByte this looks like a mistake.

[@darkvader7231]

Upto 80 mbs means upto only so realistically it will be much lower. Bluray will always be better!!

[@samwalsh8299]

I’ve got 2 mbps internet download speed so I don’t care

[@jinvanpalta6263]

I can't find a link on the Internet which provides a list of the latest movies available on Bravia Core?? Can anyone give a link.

[@TomCamies]

I live in one of the first towns in the UK to get gigabit fibre. I've been waiting for a service like this for a long time.

[@bastiencatil2509]

I freaked out a little when I learned about bravia core. But without lossless audio, I am reassured for the value of my bluray and my hdd bay

[@chrisward000]

Average UK broadband speed delivered last year was 37Mbps, so not happening here anytime soon.

[@speedstyle.]

'Average' tells you nothing when some people have 1 and some have 1000. Almost 2/3 of households have access to >100Mbps speeds.

[@4rzaluz]

@@speedstyle. Average tells you a lot.. as that measure accounts for wired desktops and servers at a random time of the day. Now imagine peak hours with domestic wifi.

[@speedstyle.]

@@4rzaluz What I was trying to say was that the average can be very skewed: if a hundred people have 10Mbps speeds but one has 1Gbps, then the average is 20Mbps. 20Mbps isn't representative of the population, so we should use better statistics. Whether you access your router over Ethernet or WiFi is irrelevant, I'm talking about the speed between your router and the internet. Servers are mostly in businesses and datacentres, not households.

[@4rzaluz]

@@speedstyle. How is it irrelevant? The vast majority of people wont be able to get near 72mbps as they would be having wifi overlapping channels..

[@4rzaluz]

@@speedstyle. Wait what? Thats exactly what Im saying.. that average includes corporate enviroment otherwise would be even lower.

[@TotalGAMIX]

What movies will be on this new Sony thing?

[@ethanberry9846]

This is just getting messy as each year passes. First we had oled vs qled tvs then hdr10 vs dolby vision now its streaming which we all know will never be as good as physical media due to broadband speeds

[@joester4life]

Broadband speeds and shit companies like Comcrap giving data caps. But they want to increase their fee's...even more.

[@jim_herd]

I don’t think I’d fork out for a brand new Sony TV solely because it has this service. Nothing can beat Ultra HD Blu-Ray for the moment and it’s unlikely that anything will for a long time. We’ll see how the Sony and Panasonic OLEDs compare though. You never know. The Sonys might blow the Panasonics out of the water in which case ...

[@shagrathborgir2003]

That's too bad! I have 1Gb line and it's 8 euro a month in Romania!

[@pellis1783]

I am jealous, I have 1GB Fiber in the USA and pay $70/month

[@shagrathborgir2003]

@@pellis1783 Yes,but minimum per month is not 350$! :)

[@joester4life]

Lucky! I'm at 150Mbps and it's $70 a/month. $110 soon...fucking Comcast.

[@jaffaman99]

He must be installing a dedicated fibre line. 1gig internet in the Uk isn’t that expensive. Virgin offers it for £62 a month.

[@ksr3535]

wait, i thought romania had one of the cheapest internet just like in india..fiber connection 300Mbps and 3.3TB data for 9$ per month.

[@johnworld27]

Great vid bud! Great information! Thanks for the clarification... Physical Media FTMFW

[@lucasn82_]

Some game trailers from psn on PS3 sometimes reach 110mbps.. medal of honor for example 😎

[@thaalrasha]

Isn't the bitrate comparison only valid for same file encoding ? Can we imagine a better quality encoding with better compression that would require less bitrate vs more processing power ?

[@Olivyay]

They would need a newer codec that is much better than the one used on discs. Currently it is the same so they can't "encode better". They could match discs with a codec that would be at least 2x better and using 50 Mbps, but it won't happen until VVC (H.266)

[@richardvannoy1198]

It’s all a moot question when there are ISPs that only stream at about 30.

[@daniel_960_]

Is apple TV App on LG TV and Apple TV box the same quality?

[@jackxujh]

I don’t know, but at least the app UI visual and performance are different. So I never used the app on TV.

[@McKluskie]

the problem is often not the bit rate, its how the algo deals with near black and black where compression pulls data away, 80 will be more than enough to deal with these issues as very little compression will be required, if at all in most scenes.

[@jimadams2113]

I watched my first Bravia Core movie last night. It had the best picture and sound of any of the streaming services that I have tried. I purchased a Bravia 9 TV. It came with 10 movie credits to be used within 24 months.

[@avijitjha1614]

How about free streaming?. How is the quality on bravia 9 ?

[@seanwilson9502]

I love Blu Rays

[@ericmoss6110]

I'd like to hear your take on Kaleidescape!

[@bushgreen260]

*Sony should encode in av1 or VVC(H266) then they can match blu ray quality while using less bitrate at the same time.*

[@lolerie]

Or dolby vision profile 5.

[@ernestwong3872]

One thing is HDTVTest should highlight - Bravia Core use IMAX Enhanced which means it is going to use IMAX's DMR HDR format instead of Dolby Vision. It is the same for audio. IMAX mandate DTS as base core layer of audio. IMAX Enhance processing can be engaged in flagship AV amp such as Denon AVC-X8500H. But of course it is disappointing for not using lossless codec DTS Master Audio. But I guess it is a bandwidth concern. DTS-MA @ 7.1 24/96 resolution may require nearly 30Mbps for audio signal alone!

[@lozzty]

In Moscow 500mbps costs 6,5 pounds and available for almost everyone

[@nastula-dev]

Yeah, in Warsaw 600/60Mbps is only about 12.5$. Internet price/performance ratio in the West is crazy.

[@lolerie]

But you need 1 gbit for this. That one is x2 /x3 in Moscow.

[@BobBob-tt3fe]

In Romania it’s 1gb for 5€ lmao.

[@lolerie]

@@BobBob-tt3fe it is actually a little less 500 for 500 rubles, it is like 4 pounds or something.

[@nastula-dev]

@@lolerie No, he said in the video you need 115Mbps.

[@maraminjo2]

Vincent, please help. Today my Sony A90J which I using for just more than a month has a darker side of the panel, about a quarter on the right side. It's vertical, but a not straight line, more on top, little less space is covered on the bottom. When the screen is dark, like in Driftmark, a very dark episode of House Of Dragon (HBO MAX Dolby Digital, you can now watch GOT in Dolby Vision and Atmos also) it's unbearable to watch. What to do? An expert panel, yes or no? What's the problem? WHY? I'm not an expert, but it doesn't look like burn-in, it's too symmetrical from top to bottom. Also, I watched WC, of course, but I don't play games. Only sometimes does the TV turn off itself, but a few times, and I always, after that, turn off on remote to have a pixel shift cycle. I'm so sad. On New Year's Day, new, very expensive TV... Have had it in the box for almost a year, because of my AH8.

[@cr4zyg047]

Thanks Vincent! You're the MVP!

[@BIGE2333]

I’m watching this in Sept 2023 and just purchased the X90L and it says I get the Bravia core for 12 months, so I’m assuming Sony decided to continue with this service

[@MisterPikol]

lol some people still have 8mbit as home internet

[@redi6460]

😂😂😂😂😂,....that is really bad

[@Magnitude7]

I have 4mbps on a good day

[@Andersljungberg]

There are people who once long ago ordered broadband and then have not changed their subscription or who have the cheapest subscription. and they might be watching the movie Via the cable TV operator's play channels in the TV box. which does not go through the broadband subscription

[@Andersljungberg]

here in Sweden Has many broadband via fiberglass and cable TV networks. it can also be included in the rent and then the most common speed is probably 100mbit. Broadband via ADSL is today rare in Sweden

[@Chris-rx9dm]

@@Magnitude7 POP POP! that is unfortunately slow. I hope your area gets faster speeds soon. Downloading games must be brutal.

[@uprajsingh]

When 90Mbps is max that I have seen at original frame rate at24 FPS. This is original content burnt on 4k UHD 80gb of data with menus, sound tracks etc. is recorded with. Why do we then need 48Gpbs cables? is is purely due to higher FPS or there is something else in this calculation? or even 18gbps cable for that matter of fact? - Thanks!

[@dibils]

why cant streaming services allow downloading! just require connection to watch for validation

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

Streaming quality is still TRASH when downloading for offline viewing such as the Netflix app on phones and tablets. It doesn't compete with 4K Blu-ray discs nor 4K Remux files.

[@cup_and_cone]

@@PSYCHOV3N0M That's because offline files are simply maximized to not take up storage data and limit amount of bandwith streamers need to allocate. People do not want 50-100GB files clogging up their storage space.

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

@@cup_and_cone I know all of that. That's my point as to why streaming sucks and offline downloads won't be some night and day improvement.

[@concinnus]

Prime does on some titles. At 1080p quality anyway.

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

@@concinnus It's still compressed regardless.

[@tuchpongtulyayon6343]

Excellent, and necessary review as always 👏 👏👏👍👍👍😊

[@Roneye1]

DTS?! A lot of new TVs don't even offer throughput for that.

[@leapingtortoise]

I wonder if their 2021 TVs do?

[@Mister__Jey]

Yeah... Sadly... Many TVs have major problems with Dolby and I like DTS more... my Philips Soundbar from 2016 still has DTS und Dolby

[@Fennec1919]

Wrong my friend my X950G has that because when I bought it I received 4 free movies from sony streaming 4K Imax enhanced bright image sound DTS scale picture and content premium Imaxenhanced.com

[@lolerie]

LG C9 here 🥰🥰

[@Hicks-g1m]

Thank you for this video I still love my physical media disks and and always will and thsi is a great example of why I love my disks so much

[@Indimenticabil]

Move to Romania, here you can get 1Gb fiber line (940 Mbps) with 117MB/s for only... 7 pounds :)

[@DOGMA1138]

I pay 15 quid for 1 gig in the UK, and my provider can provide me with up to 10 Gbit/s (G.Network) however the problem is that high speed providers aren't that common outside of the major cities and their coverage is limited even within them. Romania isn't that different, good luck getting even decent DSL outside of the big cities especially in the north / north east, and Romania had the "luxury" of essentially having to lay down their telecom infrastructure in the late 90's early 2000's from scratch.

[@leapingtortoise]

Romania you say....

[@dickriggles942]

America still in the dark ages...

[@leapingtortoise]

@@dickriggles942 America... Try Australia!

[@samwalsh8299]

@@dickriggles942 HAHA, look at Ireland! I got 2mbps. Stop complaining. Be glad you don’t live in Africa.

[@neykovmaster]

What app is he using to see the video stats ?

[@RobertK1993]

We will have to see I predict memory cards for 8K Ultra HD content.

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

That'll be more expensive.

[@RobertK1993]

@@PSYCHOV3N0M Either that or 8K Ultra HD Blu ray disc.

[@dickriggles942]

Discs are dead.

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

@@RobertK1993 That's what I'm hoping for. 8K Blu-ray discs.

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

@@dickriggles942 So is your vision. Go see an eye doctor IMMEDIATELY.

[@georgeflensburg3087]

Great info! Can you do a video using the NVidia Shield Pro (2019) and the Epson LS500 together? Optimal settings. (+ If you like AI Upscaling) Including installing "Refresh Rate" app on the NVidia Shield Pro (2019) It allows you to configure the output of video and match content. Sending it to the TV/Projector.

[@adelin081]

At least living in Romania has one benefit. 1GBps internet at 8 euro per month. No data limit. Oh so it’s only on their new TVs. Useless for me then.

[@90lancaster]

That is less than half the wholesale price for a 3rd the speed in the UK - Though thank goodness unlimited is standard practice for most internet connections in the UK as Videogames really eat into that & if we had data limits like they have more often in America it would make downloading games unworkable.

[@lolerie]

115 MB/s is 920 Mbit/s

[@lemmrotkennwort4580]

Guess what Germany the awesome country is so behind in things like internet and mobile internet... For 100MBps u pay like 35€/ month haha and in some smaller towns you will get like maximum 2MBps

[@daniel_960_]

@@lemmrotkennwort4580 it got much better but the availability in some parts is still very very sad. The mobile network still has tons of holes.

[@Datenschutz_Datenschutz]

@@lolerie No, its MB/s (MBit/s) and Mb/s. that are Megabits and Megabytes

[@Tempest261]

Blu Ray is HEVC at ~100 Mbps. 80 Mbps of whatever PureStream is could indeed be superior. The fact that they had to create a different processor for it indicates that the codec could be doing much of the heavy lifting (assuming this isn't just marketing lock-out).

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

No Dolby Vision, No lossless audio. My 4K Remux files will take a shit on Bravia Core streaming quality.

[@xshakel]

No lossless audio and no DV? This service sounds redundant

[@ezilka]

Maybe they can use better codec for streaming than on blu-rays?

[@ezilka]

Well ultra hd blu ray is 2016 tech. with hardware decode support for up to that date codecs. So... its 5 years, is there any better options already? H.266? :)

[@CoolhandLukeSkywalkr]

Bring on the streaming, it leads to them doing more 4k releases overall.

[@bighands69]

They already have lots of 4k content because 35mm film is at 8k resolution.

[@CoolhandLukeSkywalkr]

@@bighands69 35mm, more like resolving 4k resolution in low-light scenes and 6k in scenes with natural daylight.

[@retroforce6919]

Same here in regards to internet service. I'm currently running at 60 megs, in my area last year I was suppose to have 1 gig service. I'm hoping maybe this year they'll offer the 1 gig service in my area crossing my fingers.

[@rohaanmanzoor3268]

The only good thing about the bravia xr is that it's free. Rest honestly i can't tell the difference between Dolby vision and hdr And i find it really hard to tell the difference between high and low bit rates after sometime. Both can be because i have never compared them side by side but who does that?

[@Olivyay]

While DTS is an inefficient codec, lossless audio is mostly a waste of space/bandwidth, and once you're using a modern lossy codec with sufficiently high bitrate (say, Dolby Digital Plus with at least 768 Kbps), most people actually cannot hear the difference. That comment about dynamic range is very unscientific coming from you, Vincent. If there is a hearable difference in dynamic range, it comes from a different mixing step, different metadata config of the track, or bad configuration of the decoder, not from the lossy codec. Here is an article from when lossless audio was the last shiny tech, describing a test in Dolby's own codec testing lab using very expensive equipment and treated room that hardly anyone at home can hope to match, in which professional reviewers trained in audio comparisons weren't able to differentiate lossless and DD+, and only one of them was able to differentiate lossless and 640 Kbps DD: www.hemagazine.com/node/Dolby_TrueHD_DTS-MA_versus_Uncompressed_PCM/ Studios use lossless audio on Blu-rays only because they have plenty of space and because it's a successful marketing idea among consumers that they can know for sure the audio is lossless, but practically it doesn't matter.

[@SidNightWalker]

Yeah, and that's why unless their streaming service is using Dolby Atmos, then it's nothing special.

[@Mister__Jey]

Mbps is MEGABITS and not MEGABYTES.... 80Mbps are 80.000 kbits Bitrate Blu Ray as an mkv for example always has like 10.000 kbits. 1 Megabyte is 0.125 Megabits... Unbelieveable how many get this wrong

[@Quad5Ny]

The fine print is listed in megabytes per second; up to 113MB/s. Thats gigabit speeds. Let's assume it's a typo and they meant 113Mbps that's up there with 4K blu-rays burst speeds. As long as their videos are H.265 and good 2 pass encodes I see no reason why their claims are not accurate.

[@cenktheangel]

I am not sure. I have a Sony X700 UHD BP and an Apple 4K. I don’t see any difference between my 4K discs and my Apple TV 4K iTunes movies in terms of picture quality.

[@Adam-vx6to]

What tv do you have? You should see a difference

[@cenktheangel]

@@Adam-vx6to LG OLED B7 and I have almost 60 4K discs. I did a lot of tests between two devices with the same contents. No sir I see no difference at all.

[@cenktheangel]

@@vb8428 100mb.

[@theMaster...]

You might not have the sharpest eyesight.

[@vb8428]

@@theMaster... That's an advantage. No need to be complaining about every display.

[@mehuljoshi3997]

Hello. I'm from India. I have sony x90j. But in my x90j there is no option for bravia core app. From where can I download it? Is it available in India?

[@dgma626]

😂

[@jay12345ist]

And you don’t get hdr optimizer from the Panasonic 4k players

[@NeilBulk]

That's probably not necessary with Bravia Core as these titles are designed to run only on specific Sony TVs. I would think they are already optimized.

[@Nelthalin]

I agree with you vincent specially on the HDR and Sound department. Hopefully they will add it in the future. Or hopefully a other company will offer something like that. Until that time i will keep buying my favorite movies on disk.

[@robertfaler7081]

Sounds like the service is headed nowhere. Buy physical, folks.

[@johnb4905]

Buy disks while you can...

[@peek4boo734]

@@johnb4905 Why isn't there a service for movies like games, where we can directly buy the movie and download the bluray disc locally?

[@lolaland5595]

Or download 4k DoVi BluRay Remuxes ranging from 50-120gb's per film

[@lolerie]

@@peek4boo734 there is. It is called torrents.

[@arpanroy9048]

Awesome video 👍