6 things I dislike about my manual F80 M3

[@martynas8461]

One thing I hate about my BMW M3 I don't have it (:

[@TommyLGarage]

DjDemax Max hehe. Now that’s a legitimate point!

[@arielsaga]

DjDemax Max hahaha...same like me

[@petesja7450]

DjDemax Max on crip ♿️

[@EminRodriguez]

LMAOOO SAME😞

[@jediahgaming]

My dream car

[@PaulSvk84]

You can have the exhaust valve open on a cold start. It’s simple. Give power to the car (don’t start the engine). Put everything into sport or sport plus, then depress the gas pedal once. You’ll hear the valve open, now start the engine.

[@i.a.8935]

To be honest i would deactivate the automatic rev match cause i would like to do it myself. Am i the only one?

[@Billybobthor]

Ilir Ahmeti same here, but I see his point that it should be an option like in the other modes.

[@01.k.p]

Nah the only difference between sport and sport plus for drive train is that there is no rev matching on sport plus this guy has no idea what he's talking about lol

[@ChannelAsh100]

i love rev matching unless its stop and go traffic.

[@hanluke7160]

yes you are

[@nashespiritu]

Na mate I completely agree

[@ardalanshabestari3437]

the gauge is because it shows your oil temperature and not your water temperature. that's why it doesn't go up.

[@TommyLGarage]

Ardalan Shabestari but it would be nice if it was in the middle. No reason for it to sit at 25% all the time. And of course I HAD to pick something...this car is close to perfect :)

[@ardalanshabestari3437]

Tom Lawrowski haha yes it’s perfect. In my e90 i don’t even a gauge. For somereason bmw thought their clients don’t need to know the temperature of the coolant. That’s like the most important thing of the car

[@embo2k11]

Hey Tom, the reason why it is that low is the fact that the oil temps are not regulated by a thermostat and they vary much more then the cooling liquids temps. Especially when you drive it down here in Germany on the autobahn at 160 mph and more, the oil easily heats up to 250°, so in order to not scare people about the actual oil temps at higher loads, the guage is designed like this... :)

[@TommyLGarage]

embo2k11 That is na excellent insight! Thanks. I did not know that. I appreciate the input

[@Chris11249]

Exactly :) It seems there are 4 places the needle can be 1. Cold, 2. Normal Driving, 3. Sport Driving (middle of gauge), 4. Too high :) Cheers

[@archiexEM]

1st world problems

[@TommyLGarage]

archiee em Ha ha you are absolutely right. I feel very fortunate to be able to own a car like this

[@wenlyone]

I'll answer the pads question. From seeing NASA GTS BMW cars, you can see podium guys run stock brake sizes. And BMW does use smaller pads on large size rotors than other big brake kits. But from history, they are sufficient as long as you don't over brake.

[@nashespiritu]

I’m so happy that sport + doesn’t have Rev matching

[@TommyLGarage]

I enjoy it :)

[@aresdiaz5537]

Hey I own a 2018 BMW F80 competition package and If you press the start button without starting the car you can put the engine into sports plus or press M2 if it configured to sorts plus and it will open the values then start the car for the nice loud sound.

[@TommyLGarage]

Ares Díaz That’s true but the whole point is why isn’t there a button that just opens and closes them. Why make that extra step

[@aresdiaz5537]

I 100 percent agree with you, it's annoying and I almost never do it and just start it up normally

[@TheBimmer901]

just go for an older BMW and you don't have to worry about these issues. I have a e39 m5, the best BMW I've ever owned.

[@sjakubowski92]

1) Get in Car, ignition on, sport plus, foot on brake, start 2) Tried to set this in your M1 or M2 buttons? If no, can be coded 3) Only because its a US spec car, EU car has normal Celcius gauge 4) iDrive controller is placed in most natural position possible so that your wrist rests on the arm rest when using it rather than in the air, like with a mouse on your PC 5) Under that carpeting is the boot floor and exhaust under that, whats the point of having an uneven load space? 6) Ceramic Calipers are also far bigger than their pads

[@MrSuperrajab]

i want a manual just to rev-match myelf XD

[@TommyLGarage]

MrSuperrajab I agree. I have since changed my views on many things. This was not my proudest video but thanks for watching!!!

[@stefanocioni2587]

I don’t have the link but u r able to start the car in sport plus mode, with the flaps opened, do the research or ask other owners

[@mertdogan8949]

Great video man. Thanks!

[@TommyLGarage]

Mert Dogan haha thanks. Glad you liked it

[@LejzMaster]

For me, it really makes sense that the rev matching function is disabled in sport+ mode. Sport+ should make the car as ”real” as possible. No traction control or other systems making driving easier (like the rev matching).

[@NarenPatel]

Open the valve with Carly unplug the valve cable and you have always open exhaust valves. Rev match is enabled in all modes with a software update I think. I say this because my 2018 has rev match in all modes

[@TommyLGarage]

Oh yes. I’ve actually addressed most of these issues in the last year and a half I’ve owned it

[@zillamank6649]

Your videos are excellently descriptive man, love it.

[@TommyLGarage]

Zillaman K thank you ! Very nice of you to say. Hope you enjoy the content - I’ve got a few other videos

[@nibotkram7743]

You can turn the car on not start it and set the mode to sport plus and then start it with the exhaust valves open. Or u can climb under and disconnect the actuators while the actuators are open. Tape off and bag the connectors to keep them clean. The car was really engineered for use with a DCT. The manual was an omage to previous gens. The trunk, who cares? Anyway, like your vids

[@TommyLGarage]

Good Points. Thanks !

[@MarioVergel]

Great video! Love the yas marina with competition package

[@TommyLGarage]

Mario Vergel thanks! Ever since I made this video I’ve upgraded the car quote a bit. It’s more likable now :)

[@TheSimplexArtz]

its not about the Gripping Surface on such Brakes its all about the Gripping Performance and Power and they to distribute Heat away from it. This brake setup is really damn good. The F80 M3 is stupid light for its size.

[@TommyLGarage]

Maybe you’re right

[@TheSaif78]

for the valve you can install xHP, Carly for BMW, and control it from your phone, or you can open your valves and disconnect the connector from the back its easy to reach, this keeps the valves open

[@TommyLGarage]

Good points. Thanks !

[@DimaGT]

Why don't you just heel and toe. It is a Manual. Lol.

[@TommyLGarage]

DimaGT I’m not getting them right all the time. Especially at the track it would be nice to have the car do it for me...it’s user error by all means

[@143CAR]

practice makes perfect? If you want perfect shifts why not just get the auto?

[@TommyLGarage]

143CAR DCT does not offer the same connection to the car. Manual was the only option for me

[@143CAR]

I totally agree, its not the same (i know i'd choose the manual given the choice). Isn't it also so much better knowing you can do your own heel toe, then having the car do it for you? Same logic isn't it?

[@TommyLGarage]

+143CAR true. But I’m pretty bad at heel and toe and if the car can do it for me perfectly - why not!

[@johanneswiedemann7414]

You can start the engine with valves opened. You have to turn you egnishen on without starting the engine and then you select sport plus mode for your throttle responsibility and then hit the gas pedal. This opens the valves and you can now start the engine with valves opened.

[@TommyLGarage]

Good point

[@TheBimmer901]

sounds like personal preference to me

[@nadacool]

There is no one who owns this car that wants the valves closed. Why the hell is that the default? Crazy.

[@TommyLGarage]

I know!

[@ludak83]

I don't understand why this video has 233 thumbs currently when I am writing my review. These are totally valid concerns for someone who spent 80k plus on this car.

[@TommyLGarage]

Thanks !!

[@izhaarjamil8110]

Can you achieve at least 400 miles on a full tank driving in efficient mode?

[@TommyLGarage]

I’m lucky if I get 300

[@1v1qsns]

Wow is that really normal operating temp? Most 335’s I’ve been in run at 250

[@Newtorin]

Love your videos!👍

[@TommyLGarage]

Thanks!!

[@jeffkierstein700]

Calipers are for heat soak, not stopping power

[@Fucmuhammad]

My only complaint is the cup holder is next to the shifter... WTF were they thinking?😂

[@TommyLGarage]

True !!

[@Zaneskie]

How about don’t use iDrive while driving 🤔

[@dans93]

how much did you pay for the car?

[@gavinkhera7678]

i know this is an old video but my 2016 340i 6MT rev matches in sport+. You can turn it on and off by holding the traction button i believe.

[@TommyLGarage]

Only on 2018+ in this car

[@gavinkhera7678]

@@TommyLGarage ohhh okay. Btw love your vids man!

[@brelaxed13]

my g87 m2 has rev matching in sport +

[@TommyLGarage]

Oh wow that’s pretty cool actually!

[@docbrockyt]

can't you code out the start up mode?

[@TommyLGarage]

Unfortunately no. Another option would be remote control flap controls.

[@wallemmedia]

147 people didn't get them LCI tail lights

[@Online_ToughGuy]

Who the hell downshifts from 2 to 1?

[@TommyLGarage]

This guy!

[@GTRuppsala]

You don’t have the M-Performance exhaust?

[@TommyLGarage]

M135 M5 GT-R it’s a ZCP exhaust. Check out my other video for exhaust sounds.

[@georgikonov2615]

i will say it simple. Learn to drive this car!!!! you bought an manual .... don`t cry! many people, dream about this car. Buy a E36 to learn, how to downshift. :)

[@TommyLGarage]

True

[@laststone777]

As Subaru owner, I want to disable auto rev-match all the time if I have m3

[@TommyLGarage]

It’s actually quite useful

[@Boosted30v]

LOL, the reason why there is no auto rev match for sport plus is because it's NOT supposed to be cruise and it's supposed to be the "sportiest" most engaging drive mode. You're entitled to your opinion, but I'd imagine most people agree with how sport plus is architected.

[@TommyLGarage]

That is a very fair statement and I do not disagree. I just wish there was a button that allowed me to turn it on and off in any mode. I would love to hear the perfect rev matches in the loudest exhaust setting that’s all. Anyways, thanks for watching, I appreciate it

[@efthimios]

Manual is a pita , now with dct hard to use the “I love to shift “ as the only reason why to get manual

[@TommyLGarage]

True

[@apanizo2]

I've seen a video. where after a drive in sports plus with the valves open, You turn off the car and unplug the wires to the valves from the exhaust to permanently keep them open if that's what you want.

[@TommyLGarage]

Andres P. Yes you’re right I saw that too but it would be great if there was a button that allowed you to do it.

[@importcamel03]

+Tom Lawrowski They have exhaust flap controllers for that. www.modbargains.com/cg-precision-vsc-2-bmw-M3-M4-X5M-X6M-00000VSC2.htm

[@pandashire]

I say do it. I did it on mine a long time ago and never plugged them back in. You get the growl going even in efficient and since it's a manual you won't get that drone when on the highway. I also unplugged the fake-engine-noise-through-stereo amp in the trunk.

[@jerhl]

is that the shift knob for f30,f10?

[@TommyLGarage]

Joel Victor it’s the MPerformance one so it fits many models

[@jerhl]

ahh ok cause i couldnt find one that said it fits f8x

[@ksionc84]

Ad. 3 - this is engine oil temperature gauge.

[@TommyLGarage]

Marek Grabowski dzieki. Nie wiedziałem. Nauczyłem się :)

[@blak238]

Ok everyone I'm tired of people spreading lies. YOU DONT NEED TO HEEL TOE TO DOWNSHIFT SMOOTHLY. whoever says you need to heal toe to downshift smoothly is a LIE. You can downshift smoothly without heel toe

[@TommyLGarage]

Agreed

[@GmodSimon]

To be honest, these beemers are made so they are really programmable. Just learn the basic softwares that can change the cars software and you are good to go.

[@spekulantz23stazem85]

Można zapytać dlaczego nie zdecydowałeś się na M4? W Europie M3 i M4 można powiedzieć że w tej samej cenie? No i dodam że masz piękne auto. Pzdr

[@TommyLGarage]

spekulantz23stażem dzięki za wiadomość. M4 nie mogłem ponieważ mam dziecko które wożę codziennie wiec musiał samochód być wygodny. Mogłem kupić m4 albo Porsche 911 ale wtedy bym tylko na weekendy i track nim jeździł i to sam wiec zdecydowałem ze m3 to jedyna opcja która ma sens dla mnie. Jeżdżę nim codziennie i mam uśmiech od ucha do ucha. A córka tez nie narzeka! Hehe

[@spekulantz23stazem85]

Fakt. M4 tylko w wersji coupe. No ja posiadam e90 kupiłem 5 letnią również miałem uśmiech na twarzy za każdym razem jak wsiadałem i jeździłem bez celu. Niestety na ta chwile to już stary samochód może kiedyś jak zarobie większa kasę sprawie sobie coś nowego, ale M3 chyba do końca w sferze marzeń ;)

[@TommyLGarage]

spekulantz23stażem e90 tez jes świetny a zwłaszcza w wersji M. Chociaż znam ludzi która zwykła 335 przerobili na coś naprawdę szybkiego i tak zwana „M3 killer”

[@unjustkatana]

the brake pads are small because you are not supposed to stop you are supposed to keep flying with your M3 :P

[@TommyLGarage]

unjustkatana haha I love it!! Best answer yet :)

[@mariomunoz7167]

Only thing the new m3/m4's lack, is a good exhaust note. They sound horrible. No offense, guy.

[@TommyLGarage]

None taken, guy

[@icemanjondoe]

Your wrong You can start the car in sports plus with valves open! first press the ignition but don’t press the brake. This was the instrument cluster will light up but the engine won’t be on. Next turn the throttle to sport plus and depress the accelerator. This will open the valves. Finally turn on the car and viola! you have started it with sports plus on the valves simples

[@AHeatedMess]

I dislike that my M3 is constantly leaking blinker fluid #fixmylife #WWTLD

[@michaelrawlins419]

All Ms have smaller trunks because of the suspension and the exhaust upgrades.

[@TommyLGarage]

Michael Rawlins interesting. I never thought of it. You might be right. Thanks!

[@Ranchy9876]

What exhaust tips were these?

[@TommyLGarage]

I first had oem ZCP tips and then BMS black tips

[@Ranchy9876]

Tommy L Garage do you still have the bms black tips if you aren’t using them I’ll buy them

[@Arman-nl6mg]

You really need some MP Titanium/Aftermarket exhausts mate!

[@TommyLGarage]

Arman_dleg hmm I don't know. I really like this exhaust. Did you see my vlog 03 where I showcase the exhaust? It's fairly loud. I live in a community of homes and I leave my house at 6 AM for work so I don't want to wake my neighbors up.

[@Fucmuhammad]

Look at what the great 60-0 stopping distance is... maybe they know something you don’t...😂

[@sambow7005]

so much to dislike in a manual transmission that shift like an automatic.

[@autoposer0]

Thats a oil temp not a coolant...

[@TommyLGarage]

True

[@autoposer0]

@@TommyLGarage oh ur point was about needle position 😁😁

[@YouThana]

Funny, my M140i also starts in Comfort but it opens the exhaust valve for the first ~30 Seconds. The Sport Plus not rev matching is actually a nice feature because this is for knuckle heads like me that want to rev match manually, just like shifting and keeping it on the road despite hooning attempts. Your thirds complaint: because race track. Be glad you have an oil temp gage because this has become exclusive for M cars.

[@guptabob123456789]

You can actually start it up with the valves opened

[@guptabob123456789]

First, You have to ensure sport plus is a preset in either the M1 or m2 button. Then you want to turn on the battery of the car. While the battery is on you want to enable the M1 or m2 mode whichever you have as sport plus and then press the gas to open the valves. Then you want to start up the car and you’ll definitely hear a difference. I have an m4 competition and I do it all the time

[@romeiosif7822]

About the 4rd one I think your just lazy to move your hand, just saying

[@TommyLGarage]

True

[@adamandersson9663]

That S60r temp gauge tho :DDDDDDD

[@TommyLGarage]

Haha of course

[@samehasan9777]

Listen my man thats 6 more things u dont like about the car than me, so ill tell u what let me take it off your hands lol

[@TommyLGarage]

Same Hasan haha I guess I walked into that one. I meant dislike! I can live with a dislike :)

[@joeyAlmeida1295]

With the temperature gauge it's not bmw fault the people can't read bold numbers

[@TommyLGarage]

Joey Almeida true true. I made this video too soon before I knew any better. This video will haunt me for ever!

[@oilplumber123]

Exhaust is the same on sport and sports+ almost every point you make is incorrect.

[@smellyhoney]

Ben Dover not on the comp pack. The over run on the sport plus is way more , making it 2x louder than sport.

[@TommyLGarage]

That is absolutely correct. Thanks Jun!

[@smellyhoney]

No worries. I run Akrapovic Evolution on mine, the difference between sport and sport+ is even more as compared to stock. The over run kicks in at an even lower rpm too.

[@oilplumber123]

JunHeng23 Okay let me correct myself. Over run lasts for 4 seconds instead of 3 seconds. Pops are very similar. Again I only drive in Sports+ anyways but just saying over all loudness is the same. No difference in exhaust flap opening.

[@TommyLGarage]

Ben Dover perhaps that makes sense. But the sound is still louder in sport + vs sport. Just like you though I also drove in sport + only. Gotta love the pops!!

[@georgepetkov9044]

for the downshift and the comments tthat say its a manual. yes it is but it would be the best if there was a button for that and everyone will be happy :)

[@TommyLGarage]

George Petkov yes!! Totally agrees

[@SLO340]

Hey Mr. Lawrowski you’re my role model. Any advice for someone in their early 20s to lead a comfortable and successful life?

[@TommyLGarage]

Haha thanks. Yes, stay in school, have fun in life and marry the right woman :)

[@benh4717]

This is something I heard about manufacturers intentionally using smaller brake pads on performance cars or on any car for that matter. As you wear out the pads and rotors, the rotors will only wear in the center where the pads touch creating a ridge on the outer rim making uneven wear. So when the time comes to change the pads, you'll need to change the rotors as well as the surface has been worned unevenly.

[@TommyLGarage]

Ben MACQ yes agreed. Nice little trick!

[@mfmfmf196]

Some polish origins?

[@redclaw01]

The number 1 through 6 things I hate about your car is the fact that you have a sunroof instead of a carbon fiber roof on an M3. What are you doing man.

[@ronnie2k685]

The new auto is better than the manual.

[@skylineraver8621]

Europa f80 can start at M2 and its stay..

[@TommyLGarage]

I didn’t know that. Thanks for sharing!

[@jordancole122]

the epitome of #firstworldproblems

[@TommyLGarage]

Haha so true

[@jordancole122]

@@TommyLGarage great channel man!

[@AlexKK1010]

Errr sport + is meant for the car to be driven to the limit - meaning you the human has to do everything (including rev match) - this is tantamount to complaining that a sports car doesn't have adequate cup holders -_- Also - temp difference of your dash is for oil not radiator fluid, viscosity difference means the needle won't neccesarily be in the middle...

[@TommyLGarage]

Alexander Kwamin great points. I have learned a lot since posting this video. Newer clips have fewer mistakes. :). Thanks for watching by the way!

[@AlexKK1010]

It is a fantastic vehicle, I honestly think the ride+wheel+tire combo is a bit harsh for a family though. Enjoy her !

[@TommyLGarage]

Alexander Kwamin I haul my family in it on weekends and it’s not bad. But my daughter is 2 and she can’t complain yet. My wife hates the seats. I love them. But these cars make fantastic snow plows!

[@AskAndGetIt]

straight piping it would make it way louder :p

[@TommyLGarage]

Neiral haha perhaps.

[@AskAndGetIt]

do u consider doing it :p

[@TommyLGarage]

My neighbors would hate me...I'd love to put an exhaust on it but I leave early in the AM and my family and neighbors would want me hurt...

[@AskAndGetIt]

Alright thanks for having time for me , and forgot to mention that i really love ur car, hopefully i can afford it in the future :)

[@TommyLGarage]

Neiral no worries! You will. And thanks for watching. Hope you’re enjoying the content.

[@clubracer6]

Ever wish you got the DCT? I always buy manuals but I’ve heard the DCT is better suited for this engine.

[@TommyLGarage]

Nope. Love my manual every single day I drive it :)

[@jmmoters1851]

So i installed akrapovic evolution exhaust without valve. Always opened up exhaust.

[@TommyLGarage]

that's a wonderful option, but a bit too loud for my neighborhood :(

[@bushmanaseh1773]

I think i saw a crack on your rear break disc.

[@TommyLGarage]

Bushiri Manaseh it should be fine. I did a track event with it after and if it was a major crack I’d have issues.

[@bushmanaseh1773]

Tommy L Garage 😎 cool

[@bushmanaseh1773]

Tommy L Garage,love you car BTW ☺

[@TommyLGarage]

Thank you! I appreciate the love.

[@johnomahoney7755]

You a Poursche 911 GTS!

[@davidgeorge2666]

Waste of YT storage space

[@naitsabes0010]

i dont usually dislike the "things I hate about my car" type of videos because they usually have some valid point but man you have the stupidest points i have ever heard... You can have the exhausts valves opened, you can rev match yourself (if you dont know how then learn), its the water temperature and no comments on the idrive position... You usually use the idrive on a steady gear, you dont shift then use it then shift again and use it... wtf

[@TommyLGarage]

Well...this was one of my first videos...i'm not very proud of it. But thanks for watching anyways! :)

[@m5aviation895]

@@TommyLGarage Feel proud about it! It’s a good video and many other people have likely had some of these complaints and learned from this, so thanks for posting it. People change. People learn. People develop new opinions. It’s all good.

[@cmon89Jarhead89cmon]

Stupid reasons to HATE a car

[@simontempler7168]

czepiasz się Tomuś

[@TommyLGarage]

Simon Templer haha coś trzeba znaleźć!

[@emadal-shehri1464]

Really dude?! 😑

[@TommyLGarage]

Emad Al-Shehri this is a weak list. I agree. I was new to this whole KZbin thing back then. Got better now I hope ;)

[@RJSanti]

I’m pretty sure you can get the car coded to start with the valves open, could be wrong though

[@TommyLGarage]

Santi not coded but tuned. I need to keep my warranty intact for now.

[@RJSanti]

Tom Lawrowski ahh yes that makes sense, you could also just remove the valve system if you wanted! I highly doubt that would void the warranty

[@levelazn]

I have the 2015. And I never cared about sound that much. Once you are driving with the windows up it’s all about what’s in front of you

[@melvinkimble7709]

Your reasons are ridiculous... I will help you with this... just drop the car off at my house...

[@TommyLGarage]

WOT Wide Open Throttle this was a silly video. I admit! :)

[@sharifamily5364]

You need to drive the 505hp Alfa Romeo and you'll forget about the want to be a sports car BMWs :) I've owned M3s for last 24 years!! No more

[@TommyLGarage]

Shari Family but I just can’t get over the way the Alfa looks. I want to like it but I can’t get over it.

[@sharifamily5364]

Tommy L Garage looks means nothing. I've owned 7 M3s in the last 24 years. Alfa stole my heart!! I could've bought M4 for few $1000s less but couldn't do it

[@levelazn]

Alpha is cool but it needs a few more gens to mature. Also there aren’t enough dealerships to services it. Bmw dealers are everywhere

[@jamesrosch]

I live on Monte Berica in N Italy. I drive a 2018 F80. I have NEVER seen an Alfa Quadrifoglio. Nobody in their right mind, given the history of Alfa Romeo would ever be stupid enough to buy one. I drive to Milan and Lago di Garda and Venice for business and pleasure all of the time. Never have I seen one. So there. Question answered. Problem solved. Finito.

[@laisvidasss]

Rev matching function is only for not pure drivers

[@w00tw00tish]

Hey get a valve controller man...

[@TommyLGarage]

Vivek Kumar you’re right. I might get it very soon.

[@w00tw00tish]

Tom Lawrowski cool. I've just pulled my valves so they always stay open.

[@TommyLGarage]

Vivek Kumar that’s also a good solution. The car just sounds too good with the valves open

[@sieben67]

The car is not made for manual transmission....

[@Billybobthor]

Sieben Van de Akkerveken the standard transmission is the manual. I would say it is made for it.

[@saauuzza]

It sounded like a vacuum cleaner.

[@Bl1ndskater6]

Everything you said is so petty and just a bunch of nonsense so you can "vlog" about your m3. And above all that, mostly everything you said is 'fixable' you just gotta stop videoing and research more

[@TommyLGarage]

This was one of my first videos a few years back - not very proud of it. HOpe you checked out some of the recent content

[@Fusay34]

@@TommyLGarage no need not to be probu, I think all of your points are absolutely valid and it's nice to hear owners perspective on things that aren't really mentioned all that often. Well except that temp gauge, 250f is normal at the track, and that is what this car is made for as well :)

[@peppino9255]

just came to downvote

[@TommyLGarage]

Peppino92 I’m glad you came

[@cvcsreview542]

NO V8 + amplified speaker engine sound = 100% no buy

[@TommyLGarage]

CVC'S REVIEW you get used to it. And it sounds great with the valves open.

[@-Wreckanize-]

The M3 was always an inline 6. The E92 was the outlier.

[@ryan02s2k]

No, the original e30 M3 was a 4 cyl.

[@truevhazo4001]

@@ryan02s2k inline 6

[@icemanjondoe]

The competition pack does not have a fabricated sound. Also the v6 with the comp pack sounds fucking epic for a v6.

[@Airbag1010674]

Test drove brand new 18 M3 comp manual. Sounds like digital garbage, I mean atrociously bad. Brakes are like a digital on off button, no granularity. And the engine feels like a diesel. Falls on it's face after 5k, stops pulling. Bought an RCF. Sounds amazing, brakes amazing, and pulls like a freight train to redline. This is coming from x2 E46 M3 owner. The F80 sucks. The M2 much better, but too much of a donkey.

[@Raiderrosey]

wrong, u can start it with valves open. smh

[@TommyLGarage]

scott r sorry bud. You cannot

[@AGM240i]

Tom Lawrowski yes you can. We have 2017 BMW M4 and we can start in sport or sport+.

[@TommyLGarage]

Adrián Gašperák but don't you have to press a button before you start the car? I would like it to be a worry free start. That's all. I'm lazy! Haha

[@Raiderrosey]

waiting for my apology...

[@exserk]

Really bad list...

[@wenlyone]

That sounds like a Honda. LoL

[@TommyLGarage]

Wen Shen vtech baby! The flat tire compressor tank has it installed

[@tjprovo24]

F80 M3/M4 owners are wannabe //M enthusiasts...

[@01.k.p]

WeekEnd133 what car do u drive lol prob can't afford one so he buys the "superior" older models try driving one bud they are amazing