6 Upgrades To This Custom Built Bike | NERO Show Ep. 105

[@Sweetskis]

It’s another NERO SHOW to be ENVEous of! The only cycling podcast worth $20,000 a listen, already on trend for 2025, and, unlike Tom Pidcock, has NEVER been benched while on the team bus! Welcome to the show!

[@bonsmasemo1738]

certified aero brain rot is a Kendrick level bar lol

[@liam_c27]

My wife always asks about my Local Legends status don't take this away from me boyz

[@hibby_]

You guys missed it with Everesting. It's definitely "easier" than winning a cat 2/B grade crit in terms of training and long term effort required. However, a rider that does everything right and wins may have never put in a single day as hard as a rider that does 8800m of climbing. People are celebrating that specific day's effort, not the training to get them there.

[@MrMattie725]

Love the sailing chat Chris! It was thanks to your quick mention I checked out the GCN video a few weeks back! The budgets are 100 million per team. Which is double the biggest cycling teams.

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

That was a brilliant video, pity American Magic got knocked out so early. That budget is crazy, thanks for that info

[@andrewverdon9718]

@@ChrisMillerCycling more AC chat !!! get jessie "on board" ...

[@mruedar]

Was waiting so bad for this one to come. Jesse loves both boutique ENVE and Chinese bikes. That guy can see aero, nothing else to say lol

[@jack.palombo]

We saw a Van Rysel aero bike ridden at TDF this year (deep head tube and all) but feel like it didn’t get much press…definitely something in the works 35:49

[@marcvb3364]

Can't believe I missed that! Will check it out, thanks

[@TheKrrn]

I reckon the Melee has the white saddle because it matches the paint on the back half of the frame.

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

I think you are right. It’s warming on me

[@jannispohlmann]

Needs a white seatpost as well though!

[@arelyt24]

As someone who has owned a Melee for over a year (coming from an S-Works SL6 and pre-aero Cannondale SuperSix ), it is a truly underrated bike. It might not be the most out-and-out aero but it's still far from a slow bike. I'm a USA Cat 1 and have done a lot of racing on it with zero complaints. Holds speed well, corners great, light(ish), comfortable. I race less than I used to and now the majority of my riding is doing big days out with some light gravel and b and c roads. Being able to go from super fast race day setup, when I need it, to slapping 35mm tires on and have an all-road bike is what makes this bike stand out for me. The versatility is amazing and does both really well, IMO. So far the only people who I've heard not like the Melee are people who have never ridden one.

[@asiantrick24]

I've seen so many of these custom melee on sale currently on the market. I'm curious what's wrong with them and why previous owners not wanting to keep it. Could it be this is a bike that good at everything but not best at one thing?

[@arelyt24]

@@asiantrick24 Who knows why people sell anything. There are also a lot of SL7's and SL8's on the used market. Likely people getting bored and wanting to try new things, not sure it says much about the bike. I love mine and have considered selling it because trying out different bikes is fun. But to the point of 'not the best at one thing'--it really is a damn good race bike. Not sure anyone racing it is losing anything over any other bike to a substantial enough degree that means anything. The fact that it can fit 35's and can do big all-road days is really just an added bonus.

[@buckcram5908]

@@asiantrick24 Enve has given substantial industry discounts over the past year. I've personally seen 5+ Melees for sale on the second hand market in my region after shop employees enjoy them for the season and resell them for profit.

[@asiantrick24]

@@buckcram5908 that makes more sense since all the bikes I’ve seen on sale are extremely well built. So I wonder if there was something wrong with the Melee, and didn’t pull the trigger on it.

[@crispyrad]

You had me at "Holds speed well"

[@stevenpike7530]

The real question is what are you blokes buying with your own money…I.e. non sponsored stuff, where you piece something together based on performance, sales (bargains) & availability?

[@BobMcJoe99]

Also love the americas cup callout. Worth mentioning that former track 4k world record holder Ashton Lambie was on one of the US boats which I think is pretty sick

[@braydley]

I just sold my SWorks SL8 for an ENVE Melee with zero regrets. The SL8 is amazing, but the Melee just has something special to it. It’s hard to describe, but it makes me want to get out and ride.

[@Sweetskis]

@@braydley New bike smell is the greatest motivator.

[@czts4778]

I still love my sl8. It’s suits me well especially if you’re a weight weenie kind of cyclist

[@danielmacdonald4005]

Every new bike has the get out and ride effect.

[@BikeRacingWithoutMercy]

Couldn’t agree more - never won a crit, but getting enough points to move up a category was a much more difficult and satisfying accomplishment for than my Everest …

[@maks3.5k40]

08:02 Its not Carbon Ti rotors, its Glfer

[@jkotvis]

Exact, and the Galfers are fairly stiff too.

[@michprent]

Yup. They are galfer

[@tomasberka2124]

Using them on my bike; better than the stock Ultegras

[@davidlilja9180]

On weight management, you missed a distinction, guys. Losing weight or maintaining weight, they're not the same. At 188cm I dropped from 92 to 71kg by learning to be hungry when I needed to, between meals having only black coffee or water (or Coke Zero in my driving job for the caffeine, which worked for me) to allow my body to actually complete a digestion cycle which is 4 to 5 hrs between any foods. I had smaller portions of normal food but had to either burn more calories than eaten, or eat less than I burned. It's maths plus all of Jesse's ideas about how. Once at 71kgs I could eat like a pig as I was commuting 30kms, to & fro, 3x a week + weekend rides. When commuting, water for that hour, any other riding, ya gotta feed what you ride or you'll likely just binge.

[@ili4707]

Yep, had the exact same experience

[@dskordo]

It'll be nice to get your feedback when you actually ride it. Had the sl7 and now Melee....I can tell you, it is surprisingly fast. In fact...best (fastest) day in saddle this year was on it. Enve did their homework.

[@mysho6317]

SL8 - Will someone (Distributor, Dealer or individual Owner) please loan Jesse & Chris a SL8 to test ride for a few weeks. They continually bring it up but don't have personal experience to truly compare to their other bikes.🤔

[@neilfox9540]

This is basically what they do - talk sh1t about bikes they have no experience of as they are not big enough to actually get sent any for review

[@robertgale8694]

Drones in Tour of Flanders on one segment which was great!

[@Antoine_Frs]

And in the last day Tour de France TT on the fastest segment of the descent

[@william2788]

Those are Galfer rotors and they are just steel no carbon but lighter than carbon ti (also much cheaper). In my experience they havent warped at all. Previously I used Shimano mt900 and had warping issues with the 160 in front, that said I live somewhere with steep technical descending. No issues braking with Galfer either.

[@bluemovies3397]

I put the Avian Falcon barstem on my melee and I love it but you do have to use the custom spacer that adds about 10mm of stack :/ I absolutely love the melee though, its got a slightly bigger headtube so its easier to slam the stem, its got a low bb (at least in my size) so your center of gravity is lower, they use different forks for each size to keep the ride feel similar for different sizes of people, its stiff in all the right places, it can fit big tires, and this is not super applicable to me but its rated to be used by people up to 300lbs so if a bigger person asks me for a bike recommendation, its my go-to suggestion. So many cyclists don't realize how limited you are in bike selection if you're over 250lbs. The bike industry really sends the message that if you are big you do not belong on a fancy carbon bike and I really respect Enve for offering bikes to a wider size range of people. I'm curious to hear more about Jesse's experience after he rides that Melee! I've done a few races on mine and thought it was fantastic even though it breaks a lot of the trends of traditional road racing bikes. I am a bit biased though, my partner works in a shop that sells enves and they gave us an incredible deal on ours. they're definitely out of the price range of most people. It is cool that they are made in the US though.

[@proctermorris6657]

On weight loss, I was in the same boat. Wanted to get from 84 to 77. I had some advice from a dietician. And bottom line, I started counting calories. Sounds laborious, but it's not unless you're eating out all the time. It gives you an awareness of where you are at calorie wise. My typical target for a day is 2900cal. It blows out on big ride days due to in ride nutrition, but that doesn't matter. Big changes for me is what I eat for brekky. Significantly less cereal, and a move to porridge. It's very filling, and lower on the calorie count (and importantly, good energy). And as Chris has said, the rice intake has significantly gone up. It's almost a favourite now, and forms most lunches. It took time, but I got there on the weight target. Hoping for more between now and Peaks in March. Side note, alcohol has a big effect. Cut down the days you actually drink helps, and so do zero beers. Ticks off the craving. 😉

[@CoryJustus]

I love Chris’s point about the bike being better than what Jesse is riding now. You shouldn't just heap praise on a bike if it has superior technology. I rarely buy a new bike and have never spent more than $2,000 USD on one, but I bought an SL8 Pro two weeks ago. The difference between my CAAD12 (never upgraded, Ultegra 6800, aluminum training wheels, rim brake) and SL8 is so big that it almost feels like a different sport. The SL8 did all the upgrades in the last ten years and probably twenty years all at once. To me, the bike feels like a cheat code with tubeless tires, deep carbon wheels, a carbon frame, electronic shifting, an integrated cockpit, etc. I am unsure if I would feel the same way about other modern race bikes, but I think most of the credit goes to the overall upgrade vs the SL8 specifically.

[@PedroPrego]

The bars and stem come with the frame. It's the package.

[@fleurdelispens]

I do think UDH and direct-mount derailleurs are the future. And even if you don't have a direct-mount derailleur, you'll always remember which derailleur hanger you need to order when you bend one

[@Highway_95]

I'm in Specialized country. SL8 on every corner. I have a 2020 Venge Pro and a new S-Works SL8. I can't identify any difference between the two when I ride them on the same wheels. I got ENVE 4.5s for the SL8, that was the real upgrade. I should have saved the money on the SL8 and just bought the 4.5s for the Venge.

[@RylHango]

what tire width are you running?

[@Highway_95]

​@@RylHangoI have a set of Roval CL50 wheels with 26mm tires and the ENVE 4.5s with 28mm tires that measure 30.5mm when inflated.

[@Pixel10Bro]

YESSSSSSSS!! 4k is here! :D

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

HAHA!! Was drifting through the comments to see if anyone noticed 🤙🏼

[@MrMattie725]

9:25 In Belgium we'd say "You can give a monkey a golden ring, it is and will be an ugly thing". Didn't even know that would rhyme in English as well!

[@Sweetskis]

@@MrMattie725 In the Southeast US we say, “You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear”. 😂

[@johnpotter4555]

Totally agree with Chris about the demise of GCN plus from an Australian perspective. Missed seeing some great races that were only introduced to ne by that platform. Also, Nico Roche is a great commentated. Often makes counter intuitive observations which prove correct.

[@frazmars]

The AI idea for nutrition suggestions is genius! Thanks Jesse!

[@robertlight2370]

Underrated cycling achievement - here's one that I think gets overlooked: the people who ride B or C grade crits are much, much faster than your average weekend bunch ride participant, and those bunch riders don't realise that.

[@andrewpatton1950]

@48:23 in regards to sports coverage improving. Motocross coverage in the US has gotten so much better, largely due to the use of drones. It is such a dynamic, fast paced, action packed sport and the drone really emphasises this, flying through the air with the riders over jumps, trailing them off the start line where 40 riders side by side surge to a single corner, all trying to accelerate and brake as hard as they possibly can. It also lets you see the track in a closer way to what the riders see, like following their lines through ruts, elevation etc. Cycling needs more broadcast drones!

[@johnhunt3076]

I loved listening to this. My prior bike was a Melee. Switched to an S-Works SL8. Melee was nice, but subdued as you describe. SL8 is faster and better at holding speed. I did do a frae up build. Red E1 group, Enve 4.5 wheels and Roval Cockpit. I actually like the cockpit. Narrow bars feel great. I have the 38x115 version.

[@cameronfeves7515]

Adding to Jesse’s Americas Cup question- it’s not just these’s guys job to be cyclors as a side hustle, but it’s a full 3-4year commitment

[@davidlilja9180]

Another great round of banter, largely about how to empty our wallets the fastest! ;-) Heads-up guys, at Amy's I was told by a big brand's Aussie distributor, that in '25 they'll release a tube version of their top tubeless tyre/s. Tubeless can be used with tubes as many do, but why add the rolling resistant of the tyre's internal tubeless treatment/lining when latex tubes can match the tubeless tyre's rolling resistance. Pros don't fix punctures. Perhaps with sealant inside a tube, for those actually servicing their own bikes, Chris!

[@jannispohlmann]

On 1x: I don't believe in it on the road. But on Gravel where the terrain constantly changes between gravel, single trail, grass, road, all going up and down and around corners constantly... I find myself distracted by the front derailleur way too much.

[@williamsylvia3962]

@1:00:00 F*^%€¥ brilliant Jesse Coyle! I never considered using A.I. for dietary suggestions! Best part of the episode! Thank you!

[@chiefwarmpaws]

When asked the question about overrated cycling achievements, I initially misheard the answer as "everything". TBH I think that would be more accurate... as in everybody is riding for their own reasons and enjoy what they enjoy!

[@davidlilja9180]

With that custom Melee paint job, perhaps some matching bright yellow bar tape could fit the custom look better. Then, the white saddle would actually match the whole scheme! I'll guess that yellow bar tape ain't gonna be harder to keep looking good than white is.

[@edvanderveen5973]

Yeah, the local legend keeps me going. If somebody takes mine I'll ride that route 10 times to steal it back!

[@morrisizing]

The Kiwi boat includes Hamish Bond, a successful Olympic rower who moved to cycling and spent a bit of time participating in the UK TT scene.

[@crispyrad]

and Simon van Velthoven, who was a track sprinter prior to joining Team NZ as a cyclor in 2017

[@andrewsugden1215]

@ChrisMillerCycling what brand of white tee shirt is that Chris? Awesome episode as usual

[@tomasberka2124]

Nice chat about the crit racing. If you only live somewhere where there are crits held at all... So much for why and how people can relate to a cycling achievement.

[@dusty_hoods]

6:33 the chain is siiiick

[@batbawls]

8:10 those look like Galfer Wave centerlocks rather than Carbon Ti rotors, Jesse

[@Sign_Hero]

Love those eating tips by Chris👍

[@lolbubs11111]

Runners were talking about heat training years ago. It seems like all you need to do is spend some time in a sauna to get a lot of benefit.

[@JohnSmith-ck5qk]

If you want to just have fun, then instead of the Enve Melee, you should go for the Enve Custom Road bike cause that does come with custom geometry

[@604idan]

Been wanting to hear a daily nutrition chat from you 2. Thanks a bunch

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

Hope you enjoyed it!

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

Nice bike that Enve, deduct points for the reverse wrapped bar tape.

[@zazzleman]

I think the OEM for those wheels is 9Velo

[@thomasgasparini6412]

Seems like it's time for Chris to get on a sub 7kg Venge !

[@MaxwellPowers666]

I really like Matthew Keenan's race commentary.

[@simonlee7121]

I’m just surprised someone bought a 20k ENVE bike and not use their wheels

[@czts4778]

Enve wheels are heavy and melee is not light either compare to other bike of same category

[@nicolaasshirley8717]

The Melee might be the best looking bike in the peloton. Such minimal branding, so good looking, and it fits wide tires, what’s not to love

[@comeridewithmeAE]

Sensah is a good option if you want light cheap, mechanical 2x12. Run sram Force 22 derailleurs, Shimano 12 speed chain, cassette, and cranks, and then the Sensah Empire shifters and you've got it settled

[@TheChindoboi]

You should have tried the LTWOO erx v1 groupset. Basically a Shimano. Agree the v2 is a beta. I’ve put around 2000km on my groupset. Running very smooth.

[@Evaso_CC]

UNO X aero frame was quite something!

[@pincob9378]

LOL CRIT WIN!!! Yes I totally agree!!! It’s always “how long was it?” And believe me i had other cyclist say “we just don’t do crits.. it’s a waste of time..” 😂😂😂 I’m with you guys.

[@ColinSmith2001]

Question for you on Everesting - How about an Everest Roam ride? 400km 10,000m minimum, 36 hours, can sleep, clock doesn't stop. Get a few friends together and have a big end of summer blow out ride along some interesting roads you don't do too often? More interesting?

[@markjthomson]

That's the High Rouleurs standard! Yes, way more interesting.

[@toreycahn9543]

Great show boys

[@NeonGrayEdits]

Dang, talk about taking the wind out of my sails, I guess I should have swapped my Everesting for a 20 minute power PR. 😐

[@happydays8171]

As an SL-8 owner, it's lightweight is the first think one notices. Feels zippy, nippy, insert catch phrase here. Coming from a Scott Foil, it is straight line, does not want to corner. It feels like any dirt or debris on the road in a turn will act like marbles and down I go. But, after the air goes thru the front tire forks and handlebars, its dirty and the weight of an aerotube offsets the disadvantage of round and round can be made stronger lighter.

[@andorsn]

Ceramicspeed SLT headset bearings are noteworthy not because of brand froth but because they are supposedly maintenance free. The bearing balls are not surrounded by grease that can wash out, but by solid plastic. You’d still clean and grease the outside, but otherwise the idea is that you can use the same bearings for the lifetime of the bike.

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

Again, not knocking the actual functional advantage of them … it’s the fact the heat has gone out of that brand that has been noticeable.

[@DP-PhD]

Another cracking episode guys. Sir Jim Radcliffe recently ‘sacked’ Sir Alex Ferguson from his position at Man Utd. Most likely because he was being paid close to £2,000,000 and some considered he was a disruptive-influence/meddler in the ‘future direction’ of the club. In comparison I'm pretty sure Sir Jim Radcliffe will consider a rule 5.8 slap on the wrist for Tom as very small potatoes and not be concerned about the media fall out one bit!

[@jamesjordan3382]

The FloBike has been a saviour with the loss of GCN. I tried to watch one stage of the SBS coverage of the TDF and I could not believe how much worse its gotten since last year. I am really fearful of how much the replacement for the National Race calendar is going to be damaged with new viewer if this is the state of commentary in Australia.

[@DP-PhD]

If you can get it in Australia - Mountain Dew for the slop shop sugar and caffeine stop. Pulverises Coca Cola!

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

Yeh we have Mountain Dew. I remember Tyler was a massive fan of “The Dew”

[@DP-PhD]

@@ChrisMillerCycling certainly gives you a rush and high when needed. Not called the Dew here though as in Welsh Duw (pronounced dew) means God!

[@paulw677]

Still scarred by Mountain Dew's effect on that young dude's teeth from That Sugar Film

[@janeichler5810]

Gosh..after 3 years of planning I proudly achieved my Everesting only to hear that Nero crew thinks it's a shiiiite...well, for me it still is a great thing I did even though I won't be able to push 5w/kg for 20min never ever..I can only play with what I have as time and talent

[@BarePotato]

I'm comparing SL8 vs Melee both size 56 by GeometryGeek. Their Reach/Stack figures are actually almost the same except Melee is 6mm high in stack. The biggest difference is probably Trail figure that Melee has 0.2deg slacker head tube + you can fit wider tire thus more Trail. Wheelbase is ... almost the same just 1mm difference unless you choose bigger size frame. It can be size dependent so need to look into specific setup to understand why one prefer Melee over SL8 I think.

[@bleskiven]

"The Episode of the People"

[@space.youtube]

2025 Year of the rim brake!

[@matkrek]

I’m praying for it

[@davidlilja9180]

@@matkrek I want my TriRig Omega Ones to continue to stand out, please! I don't want them back in the pro-peloton. They work on my 28mmOD Chinese rims, considering some 30mmODs next. I've got a 'D-shaped' downtube, too, but its from '12! I love new tech, so I can steal all the froth for my rig. My wallet still hates me, just not so much as those 18, 20 or 25 grand rigs would do. My used frameset was USD10,000 'back in the day' ...an AUD5grand frameset? Ha!

[@goldenretriever6261]

They should vall this The SL8 Show. Specialized must be paying Chris.😊

[@patricklenagh3323]

I can't remember which, but I recall one or two of the teams werent happy with the team radio coverage in the TdF this year so there's a chance that will be watered down even more or gone altogether.

[@ExplorinDoranRBrown]

Oh. Because of the strategy being revealed to other teams? I didn’t hear that , but as a viewer it’s one of my favorite parts, the peek inside the team car.

[@paulw677]

Bowral classic last minute cancellation- I guess that’ll make next weeks show!

[@michaelmorrison9067]

50:24 Flow TDF coverage was quite decent live in addition to quick summaries and extended highlights later in the day for each stage. No one will ever be Phil Liggett though

[@stickler6312]

Re America's Cup, cyclists produce pressure for sail trimming, not for the foils.

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

They are essentially producing power for the hydraulic system right? Are the foils then powered by an external power source?

[@stickler6312]

@@ChrisMillerCycling Tried to reply earlier. Yes, they have 3 hydraulic systems. The foil hydraulics are pressurised via batteries.

[@michaelandrich8113]

Haha I would love for you guys to go and do an Everest and see if it's overrated or as easy as you think it is 😂 Comparing it to a different 20 minute effort or winning a B grade crit is laughable (I've done both btw)

[@PeterPutz82]

Great episode lads. Cam Nicholls has covered diet. The best advice is eat during the day, have dinner with the kids at 5:30, brush your teeth with the kids go to bed at 7, get up early to ride. No eating after dinner. Do all the 'night time' stuff in the morning after breakfast when you wake up, ride, reapeat. Enjoy!

[@pavlos..]

Kids in bed at 7 p.m! What time do they get up? Mine never went to bed before 9:30, even when they were tiny

[@Antoine_Frs]

I also wonder, here in France school (or at least high school) and typical office job start around 8-9 am, and ends around 5-6 pm. At 5:30 we'd maybe have a snack, being home before 7 is already a win for quiet a lot of people.

[@Evaso_CC]

Good luck maintaining that for longer than a couple of weeks…

[@Shadowboost]

As someone who has lived next to the Enve factory for ten years, I've seen all these. Know a few people who ride them. Meh, not interested in them at all. Even with full custom galaxy paint and so on, the frame doesn't wow me. Out of all the custom bikes they have at the showcase for Grodeo, it's one of the least standout builds. I'd rather have a Prova, Mosaic, Argonaut, Bastion, English, etc at full custom for that kind of money. A SL8 will just be faster all around off the shelf

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

Thanks for sharing!

[@axelbahri5089]

Do you bring energy to all rides or is there a certain time/effort- combination were you wouldn’t bother?

[@SamuelBlackMetalRider]

COLNAGO will re-release a proper Aero Bike in 2025. Fact

[@MichaelWilliams-iv6dj]

Chris just needs a new set of light wheels for his S5. Add a set of GP5000 TTs and the 400g difference in frame weight will mean nothing

[@stianpollestad754]

How to loose weight: I'm doing a 16/8 fasting. Loosing approx. 500 g pr. week. Recommend it. A 16/8 fasting is a 16 hrs fasting window, and a 8 hrs eating window. But you can't do high intensive workouts in the fasting period.

[@grumpytex1970]

Tubeless - fail. Hookless- fail. Black socks -fail. Aero helmets -fail. (Especially that POC Pro-beseen) 😂😂😂

[@michaelwalker4242]

Everest vs B grade Crit is apples and oranges. Zero barriers to entry for an Everesting whereas Auscycling race license for hundreds of dollars, club membership etc to even get to the start line of a crit. I think your focus is misplaced, but we're used to that by now

[@MrAntiShill]

Great comment.

[@Samuel-bu7xr]

19:11 the word is 'accentuate' not ex-ten-tuate lol.

[@stevegriffiths605]

Chris, if you arent bagging Trek, or hoping for a free bike you are now touting your services to the Ineos Boating Club. still love the show tho for all your gibberish and Jessy's lack of research at times. I guess thats what makes it good listening. Dog Bites Man - no news. Man bites Dog - hold the front page!!

[@williamsylvia3962]

@43:50 I think you’re over fixated on tire width. A lot of the pro peloton is under 75kg, some of which are touching 60kg. In some cases I think going beyond a 28mm tire may be detrimental.

[@Evaso_CC]

Review of the year already in October? What you guys gonna cover in Nov and Dec? Haha

[@guypolson]

Love my local legend status.

[@BobMcJoe99]

As someone who has both everested and gotten third in exactly one race I’m honestly not sure where I stand. I had to train pretty hard for everesting and it took me 17 hours. But getting third was sick. Nobody else really cares about either accomplishment 😂

[@10ktube]

If companies need product testers, I'd gladly throw my name into an application pool. I'm a racer and commuter, 600 hours a year. I slam time on my stuff in all weather and wrench my own stuff so can offer real feedback. I'll be pissed if I'm late for work but I'd be willing to gamble for cheaper options down the road.

[@barryliu3473]

LFG 🎉🎉 my fav podcast

[@Zozas_The_Cyclist]

Its galfer rotors and they are fair superior to Shimano, Sram and carbo ti. Super light, amazing breaking power, silent and they don't bend after heavy breaking

[@gregmorrison7320]

Haha watching Jesse tune out during the AC75 talk, exactly how I tuned out with the Melee talk, the Cervelo vs SL8 talk and the Pidcock drama, but the failed bike trends was interesting, sorry there wasn't much of interest in this one, for me (where's the gravel talk haha).

[@JPDCC]

Calippo in the water bottle topped up with water.

[@bendardania]

People we might have a convert…. Joking aside, here is some unsolicited advise: So far my best set up has been: Sl8 Sworks frame, you have to put the roval cockpit, otherwise it’s an el-cheapo shitty build. Enve 4.5 wheels. If you like the tcr you will love sl8. I own both of them.

[@davidoverson5504]

What chainrings on the Melee? They look like Force.

[@RylHango]

Carbon Ti

[@goonzjav]

Yep all black is Force

[@davidlilja9180]

But 2 chainrings, it can't be Sram! Have they mastered front shifting? Schleck may have won the Tour by default in the end but he lost it on the road thanks to Sram. Sram is still hoping to find someone to do for them what LA did for Shimano, 7x straight, arh, 7x very bent! Sram shareholders won't care how.

[@carterharris308]

That’s pro-spec sram stuff that’s not available to the general public. (Ie: Lidl Trek)

[@carterharris308]

@@goonzjavit’s not force, it’s pro spec red equivalent. See Lidl-Trek set-ups

[@LukeGJPotter]

The inability to ride both the CRWs on the Enve is such a loss.

[@davidlilja9180]

When the latest Giant Alula bikes/team-kit were announced, Tadej's riding partner (🤔) was riding 30s when the rest of Alula were on 28s. I wonder why that was if Tadej is on 33s?

[@RyonBeachner]

Tadej is on 30c tires that measure 33 mm due to the dimensions of the wheels he’s running, not running a 33 mm labeled tire. He’s on that 30 mm tire because it fits the wheel in a way that yields a bigger aero benefit than whatever weight/rolling resistance tradeoff may exist. Jayco is stuck with a narrower wheel, so they will end up having to run narrower tires to achieve a similar effect.

[@davidlilja9180]

@@RyonBeachner When my 1970s bike reached the 1990 I ran a 1&1/4" rear tyre, not for aero but for comfort, but I stuck with 7/8 or 1" up front for responsive steering though. It only steepens the steering angle a little on an XL size. Aero may be important for winning, but so is comfort. There is no rule that says ya can't just run the widest tyre the frameset will take for the comfort and rolling benefits, regardless of the inner or outer widths of one's rims. Just following all the hype if not actually racing is a potentially foolish move if 'the look' of ya bike is the top or only consideration. MM may be thinking less about aero, if Giant isn't providing wheels that allow all 3 benefits at once. Riding next to Tadej whilst he's on 33mm widths, if stuck on 28 could be a hard pill to swallow. Just go 30s, at least outback. The mullet bike; business out front, party (for ya ass) out back? Not that the curved seat stays on my Cervelo RS ever needed more than 23s for comfort. It now wears 25mm 4 seasons on 21mmID Velocity wheels, and it's just more plush now than ever. I often wonder if there aren't just a whole lot of wrong bikes being created and ridden when not actually racing to win? Marketing and sponsorships, ha!

[@RyonBeachner]

@@davidlilja9180 I’ll ask him what the actual reason is. A close friend of mine rides with him on recovery days. There’s actually a couple funny stories from him about getting what he wants within the sponsors product ranges. Until this year there may have been some Liv handlebars used since Giant didn’t have any of the widths that were desired, and the other guys would routinely give him shit about it. 😂

[@davidlilja9180]

@@RyonBeachner Cool, it's always great to get more inside gossip, or preferably, truth but we are not always so picky out here in the 'cold'!! Did Ineos pull Pidcock from Lombardia so they could just use him in the 'bigger profile' America's Cup, pedalling some internal hydro-pump system?

[@timtaylor9590]

I would like to Everest because I should be a stronger climber than I am. I know I would likely fail the first attempt but have a much better chance after, hence level up immensely. I also wouldn't use the official Everest rule by only using one climb that would be dumb.

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

Happy you want to use it as motivation, but doing a bulk fatigue day like an Everest attempt won’t make you a better climber. You would be much better off working on a structured FTP program that worked consistency and progression.

[@timtaylor9590]

@@ChrisMillerCycling agreed but that's not my style either lol. Climbing more to climb better the problem is I have to ride 30 miles to get to a half decent hill then still gave to ride back home. So essentially a climbing day for me is 80 plus miles where at least 60 of it is flat, pretty lame.